The Nick Foles era (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm starting to get nervous about starting Foles this weekend. Here's my thoughts:

Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.

Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.

I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.

You obviously are not watching too many Vikings games this year. Vikings are playing tough pretty much every week. They are not giving anything up.

Additionally, aside from the fact that the Vikings are not going to roll over, any time you try to predict what is going to happen in an NFL game in terms of how bad another team is going to get beat it does not come to fruition. Exhibit 1A is Jags vs. Broncos a few weeks ago. Even last week we had Pats/Browns.

I agree that the NFL is very unpredictable. Just when you think you have a game pegged, a team that is supposed to be a dog rises up and brings the pride. Since nobody has a cystal ball, all we can do is attempt to guess how a game will go. I haven't watched any Vikings games this year as a matter of fact, other than what I see on RedZone. But the loss of AP will be huge I think.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It seems like few teams call off the dogs until at least the 10:00 mark anymore. It's definitely a risk in this game, but that offense could easily run 60 plays in three quarters even if it is a blowout.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And according to MFL Vikings give up the 2nd most points to QB's in my league-- 1 point every 20 yards, 1 point 10 yards rushing and 6 points for TD's

 

[meatwad1]

I'm starting to get nervous about starting Foles this weekend. Here's my thoughts:

Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.

Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.

I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.

You obviously are not watching too many Vikings games this year. Vikings are playing tough pretty much every week. They are not giving anything up.

Additionally, aside from the fact that the Vikings are not going to roll over, any time you try to predict what is going to happen in an NFL game in terms of how bad another team is going to get beat it does not come to fruition. Exhibit 1A is Jags vs. Broncos a few weeks ago. Even last week we had Pats/Browns.

I agree that the NFL is very unpredictable. Just when you think you have a game pegged, a team that is supposed to be a dog rises up and brings the pride. Since nobody has a cystal ball, all we can do is attempt to guess how a game will go. I haven't watched any Vikings games this year as a matter of fact, other than what I see on RedZone. But the loss of AP will be huge I think.

Yeah...they are not one of the teams that are giving up. Even without Peterson, they are still going to ball out. They have a good combination of proud, yet skilled vets and young guys looking to make a name.

 

[meatwad1]

It seems like few teams call off the dogs until at least the 10:00 mark anymore. It's definitely a risk in this game, but that offense could easily run 60 plays in three quarters even if it is a blowout.

At what point were the dogs called off in the 7 td game?

 

[renesauz]

Will the late sit-down Celek (should have been) TD kill anyone else?

Might cost me a win (had Foles in two leagues), but was the right play, and a classy, un-selfish move by Celek

BS score the TD it puts you up 21.

New England scored twice in 30 seconds to win their game. If going to the ground means you have nothing to do but kneel down to win a game...then you do it...EVERY time, regardless of whether you're up 1 point or 20 points. Never give the other team the ball if you're up and can help it.

 

[renesauz]

I'm starting to get nervous about starting Foles this weekend. Here's my thoughts:

Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.

Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.

I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.

SOund reasoning, but look what he did in Oakland. I think 225/2 is a good estimate of his floor, and Oakland his ceiling. The floor is far more likely this week, but it's high enough that you can't bench him with a ceiling like that.

 

[TartanLion]

I'm starting him over Stafford this week. Im wavering a bit now though, because Stafford is at home in a must win on MNF, but yeah, these two are really evenly matched right now.

Part of my decision is probably based on the fact that it's a bit easier on my heart, not having to rely on Stafford for both real life and fantasy.

 

[CentralPA]

I'm starting him over Stafford this week. Im wavering a bit now though, because Stafford is at home in a must win on MNF, but yeah, these two are really evenly matched right now.

Part of my decision is probably based on the fact that it's a bit easier on my heart, not having to rely on Stafford for both real life and fantasy.

I'm putting him in over Stafford as well. The game will be much closer than what people think but the score will be high. Foles is going to throw at least two TDs. As that SWC guy always says, "take it to the bank brohans."

 

[cstu]

I'm starting to get nervous about starting Foles this weekend. Here's my thoughts:

Last week Foles got off to a slow start, obviously the weather played a factor. But the Lions had a 14 pt second half lead, and forced the Eagles in the second half of that game into comeback mode. Eagles ran all over the Lions in the second half and won going away. But Foles was very involved in the initial comeback.

Looking forward to the Minnesota game, Eagles run game is really cranking right now, and if they are in a position to salt away an easy win, they could ask Foles to hand it off pretty much all of the second half. The Vikings are a mess right now. Probably no AP and maybe not even Gerhart. And Carlson might also be a no-go. Matt Cassell isn't scaring anyone, and the Philly defense is highly underrated now, after a very poor first half of the season. They could shut them down early.

I see Foles getting his 150/2 by the end of the first half taking advantage of the first half, due to the awful Vikings secondary. And then game managing in the second half, finishing with a ho-hum 225/2 type game, letting Shady and Brown do the work. If Minnesota can't put pressure on the Eagles, like the Lions were able to do last week, I'm afraid that Foles upside will be limited. Still think he's a low QB1, but I am starting to doubt his upside.

Chip Kelly doesn't strike me as a 'take your foot off the gas' kind of coach. I'm not saying he'll be passing if they're up 38-7, but he'll certainly be passing to get to that 38.

Chip "One foot on the brake and one on the gas" Kelly.

 

[Raider Nation]

Vikings CBs Josh Robinson (chest), Xavier Rhodes (ankle) out vs. Eagles. CB Chris Cook (knee) is questionable.

Those are Minnesota's top 3 corners!

Get Foles, D-Jax and Cooper in those lineups without question.

 

[LawFitz]

Vikings CBs Josh Robinson (chest), Xavier Rhodes (ankle) out vs. Eagles. CB Chris Cook (knee) is questionable.

Those are Minnesota's top 3 corners!

Get Foles, D-Jax and Cooper in those lineups without question.

Whoa! Foles over Brees this week... Hmm?...

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Over Brees? no. Over Rivers?...yes Over Romo...yes

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Vikings CBs Josh Robinson (chest), Xavier Rhodes (ankle) out vs. Eagles. CB Chris Cook (knee) is questionable.

Those are Minnesota's top 3 corners!

Get Foles, D-Jax and Cooper in those lineups without question.

yeah, robinson's already been out a couple weeks but rhodes is going to be tough on them, especially if cook is also out.

sherels should be starting, and I wonder if robert blanton could handle a job at outside corner.

pretty dismal anyway you look at it, although I don't remember sherels being too terrible.

maybe foles gets another 7

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Over Brees? no. Over Rivers?...yes Over Romo...yes

yeah, that's probably a good call

 

[JuniorNB]

Over Brees? no. Over Rivers?...yes Over Romo...yes

I have him in over Brees. If Brees was at home, I'd pick him, but I'm loving Foles on Sunday.

 

[White Lightning]

The Vikings have played well over the past several games and are tough at home. I think the Vikings remain within reach for 3 1/2 quarters and Foles gets 280 with at 2 TDs as a floor. As a Foles owner, I'm hoping for 3TDs and 30 yds rushing.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Christmas wishlist:

Foles - 26/33 for 340 yards and 4 TDs; 4 rushes, 22 yards

Desean - 7 catches for 120 yards and 2 TDs

Cooper - 7 catches for 98 yards and 1 TD

McCoy - 4 catches for 61 yards and 1 TD

Avant - 3 catches for 31 yards

Celek/Ertz/Other - 5 catches and whatever's left

 

[devouredbychaos]

Over Brees? no. Over Rivers?...yes Over Romo...yes

How about over Cam? Foles has actually been on my bench for the past month but as I'm in my championship week I'm considering rolling with him over Cam. I just think the Jets D is a little bit better then the Vikings.

 

[Insein]

The Vikings are missing 3 of their 4 starting DBs. They'll either be without AP and Gerhart or they'll play injured limiting their effectiveness. They have their 3rd string TE in the game and Matt Cassel is the QB.

I can't see how this game isn't 45-17. This could be one of those huge first halves followed by maintaining it in the 2nd.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I knew I remembered some pff commentary on sherels somewhere -- this is from week 3

Sherels Steps Up

When he wasn’t busy being the last line of defense against a fake punt, cornerback Marcus Sherels (+2.9) found himself as part of the base defense as A.J. Jefferson was forced from the game early through injury. Given his lack of experience with the first team defense — he had yet to play a snap with them through the first two games of the season — you can’t blame the Browns for thinking it was a good idea to go after him.

When the game was complete, Sherels had seen 18 passes thrown into his coverage. Of those 18, however, he allowed just nine to be completed, going for a total of just 50 yards. Not a bad total when the opposing quarterback has went after you on 18 of his 54 drop backs. He added a pass breakup on 1st-and-10 with 5:12 left in the second quarter, but it was his ability to stay close to opposing receivers that really stood out.

Indeed, considering how good a day Josh Gordon had, it’s worth noting that on throws into Sherels coverage, and there were eight of them, he came away with just four receptions for nineteen yards. The one negative on his day was his fumble as a punt returner, which he recovered himself, but for a player who didn’t expect to see that much of a workload, it was a very impressive showing.

 

[Tool]

just saw some dynasty rankings where Foles was ranked one spot ahead of Luck. Seems crazy, but i'm not sure if i'd trade him for Luck. I mean i think i would but at the same time it would be hard to pull the trigger

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

just saw some dynasty rankings where Foles was ranked one spot ahead of Luck. Seems crazy, but i'm not sure if i'd trade him for Luck. I mean i think i would but at the same time it would be hard to pull the trigger

I wouldn't right now just based on his coach.

 

[ShaHBucks]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

 

[Insein]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

 

[ShaHBucks]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

Not who compiled the most stats, who's the most valuable player? Foles has performed better than Manning pound for pound. Make a good case for me

 

[Insein]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

Not who compiled the most stats, who's the most valuable player? Foles has performed better than Manning pound for pound. Make a good case for me

I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you who the media will vote for. You know this.

 

[babydemon90]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

I don't think he will. Think it's Peyton's to lose, barring an epic collapse. He's leading what looks to be the highest scoring in offense in history, 4 players with double digit TD's - yea, he deserves it. Take Manning off that team, and they're 8-8 at best.

 

[ShaHBucks]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

I don't think he will. Think it's Peyton's to lose, barring an epic collapse. He's leading what looks to be the highest scoring in offense in history, 4 players with double digit TD's - yea, he deserves it. Take Manning off that team, and they're 8-8 at best.

Idk Oswiler could make them a fringe playoff team. Heck, Tim Tebow did it. Foles is playing at a historic pace too.

 

[bweiser]

to the who i'm starting foles over discussion:

going with foles (as i have for weeks) over brady.

 

[devouredbychaos]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

 

[Insein]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Starting Foles.

And he has a 0% chance of winning MVP

Who cares about that award anyway, just keep throwing tds (and running em in too)

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think McCoy would have a better chance of MVP

 

[Snotbubbles]

Foles might not even make the Pro Bowl let alone win the MVP.

 

[Buffaloes]

Foles might not even make the Pro Bowl

why is this game still in existence?

 

[ShaHBucks]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

Well there's nothing else interesting to talk about. This looks like a hiden assistant coaches forum lately. You know I like to be ahead of the curve. You're basically saying Den needs to lose the Div for anyone else to be considered a legit canidate?

 

[Insein]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

Well there's nothing else interesting to talk about. This looks like a hiden assistant coaches forum lately. You know I like to be ahead of the curve. You're basically saying Den needs to lose the Div for anyone else to be considered a legit canidate?

Pretty much. Peyton has been penciled in for the entire year after opening up with 7 TDs. IF Nick started from game 1 and had been playing the way he is now, he's definitely in the conversation.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

Well there's nothing else interesting to talk about. This looks like a hiden assistant coaches forum lately. You know I like to be ahead of the curve. You're basically saying Den needs to lose the Div for anyone else to be considered a legit canidate?

Of course. It might not be right, but someone with the name "Manning" who breaks the passing TD record, is always going to be the huge front-runner for the MVP. That's nearly impossible to overcome.

 

[ShaHBucks]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

Well there's nothing else interesting to talk about. This looks like a hiden assistant coaches forum lately. You know I like to be ahead of the curve. You're basically saying Den needs to lose the Div for anyone else to be considered a legit canidate?

Pretty much. Peyton has been penciled in for the entire year after opening up with 7 TDs. IF Nick started from game 1 and had been playing the way he is now, he's definitely in the conversation.

I wonder what people would think if Foles could match that...

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Since week 6, Foles has been the #1 QB in my league.

Since week 9 (7 TD game), he's been the #1 QB by a large margin.

If you want to keep his 7 TD game out of it because it's an anomaly, he's still at least top-3 (substituting his average fantasy performance for the 7 TD game) over that span, possibly still #1 though I don't want to do that math right now.

Basically, he's an incredibly steady ~25-30 PPG QB who is pacing the top guys at his position in fantasy even without his ridiculous 7 TD game.

So underrated.

 

[Insein]

To hell with who you're starting him over. Cool story.. If the Eagles win out and Foles is 10-1 with the highest QB rating can he win MVP?

Depends if Denver falls to the 5 seed or not. Peyton breaking the TD record pretty much clinches it.

No. If the Pats win the next 3 I can see Brady winning the MVP.

Also a possibility. To beat out the media laziness, Foles will not only have to win out. He'll have to throw for 300 yds and 3 tds in each game with no more than 1 pick. He has to go above and beyond to beat the name factor.

Well there's nothing else interesting to talk about. This looks like a hiden assistant coaches forum lately. You know I like to be ahead of the curve. You're basically saying Den needs to lose the Div for anyone else to be considered a legit canidate?

Pretty much. Peyton has been penciled in for the entire year after opening up with 7 TDs. IF Nick started from game 1 and had been playing the way he is now, he's definitely in the conversation.

I wonder what people would think if Foles could match that...

Like I said, if he started the year at qb and performed the way he has, he'd be right there with Peyton. Probably would get co-mvp. Its not a measure of skill as much as it is a popularity contest. Petton started the year in the absolute first game of the season in primetime with 7 tds. It was peytons award to lose from there in the minds of the writers who v ote on the thing.

 

[(HULK)]

Predicting an underwhelming game today. They'll get up on Minny and just pound the backs probably.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Predicting an underwhelming game today. They'll get up on Minny and just pound the backs probably.

If they get up early with 3 TD passes; I will not mind!

 

[meatwad1]

Well... it looks as if, barring injury, Foles will be playing the entirety of the contest today!

 

[meatwad1]

I think he ultimately will end up with over 400 yards. Hopefully he'll get a couple tds.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I think he ultimately will end up with over 400 yards. Hopefully he'll get a couple tds.

Yeah, I still think this ends up being a big game for him.

 

[The Kerminator]

Just not happening today. At this point I'm just hoping for another 100 yds and a TD. And I think that's asking for a lot.

 

[meatwad1]

It begins.

 

[The Kerminator]

It begins.

Meh. I'll be impressed if he brings them back to win.