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The OFFICIAL 2007 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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HellToupee
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I turned the game off when Pena hit a hr to make it 8-1
wilked
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Nigel
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Team with best record chooses which first round schedule to play, definitely an advantage and an incentive to finish strong. I like this. 
Sox could ensure Beckett pitches Game 1 and Game 4 in their series, while the Yanks would have three sets of back to back games in their series making it tough to use Joba if they stick to plan.
Sox could ensure Beckett pitches Game 1 and Game 4 in their series, while the Yanks would have three sets of back to back games in their series making it tough to use Joba if they stick to plan.
shadyridr
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Is this true?Team with best record chooses which first round schedule to play, definitely an advantage and an incentive to finish strong. I like this.
Sox could ensure Beckett pitches Game 1 and Game 4 in their series, while the Yanks would have three sets of back to back games in their series making it tough to use Joba if they stick to plan.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Team with best record chooses which first round schedule to play, definitely an advantage and an incentive to finish strong. I like this.
Sox could ensure Beckett pitches Game 1 and Game 4 in their series, while the Yanks would have three sets of back to back games in their series making it tough to use Joba if they stick to plan.
Isnt that impossible considering there's only 5 games?![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
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Insoxicated
MLB rules. Sorry Joba.
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff
Forget the Joba rules. MLB's new Division Series playoff rules could be the real difference maker in the playoffs.
If the Red Sox finish with the best record in the American League, they will be able to choose which playoff schedule they participate in for the opening Division Series, according to a report in today's New York Post.
The Post reports that the AL regular-season champion will be given the choice of whether to play Division Series A, in which the five potential games are slated to be played in a seven-day span beginning on Thurs, Oct. 4; or in Division Series B, in which the five games are scheduled to be played over an eight-day span.
Here's how the Red Sox could hurt the Yankees under this new MLB rule, according the Post report:
The seven-day series features two sets of back-to-back games, with off-days for travel scheduled between Games 2 and 3 and between Games 4 and 5. The eight-day series features only one set of back-to-back games (Games 3 and 4), with off-days scheduled between Games 1 and 2, another between Games 2 and 3, and still another between Games 4 and 5.
Yes, of course, Theo Epstein and Terry Francona are foremost concerned with their own Boston team. But is it such a stretch to think that the Red Sox, who went into last night leading the Angels by 2½ and the Indians by 3½ for the league's best record, wouldn't jump at the chance to play the eight-day series if for no other reason than to require the Yankees to play the seven-day series so Joba Chamberlain would only be available for three games, instead of the four in which he'd be allowed to pitch in the extended version?
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff
Forget the Joba rules. MLB's new Division Series playoff rules could be the real difference maker in the playoffs.
If the Red Sox finish with the best record in the American League, they will be able to choose which playoff schedule they participate in for the opening Division Series, according to a report in today's New York Post.
The Post reports that the AL regular-season champion will be given the choice of whether to play Division Series A, in which the five potential games are slated to be played in a seven-day span beginning on Thurs, Oct. 4; or in Division Series B, in which the five games are scheduled to be played over an eight-day span.
Here's how the Red Sox could hurt the Yankees under this new MLB rule, according the Post report:
The seven-day series features two sets of back-to-back games, with off-days for travel scheduled between Games 2 and 3 and between Games 4 and 5. The eight-day series features only one set of back-to-back games (Games 3 and 4), with off-days scheduled between Games 1 and 2, another between Games 2 and 3, and still another between Games 4 and 5.
Yes, of course, Theo Epstein and Terry Francona are foremost concerned with their own Boston team. But is it such a stretch to think that the Red Sox, who went into last night leading the Angels by 2½ and the Indians by 3½ for the league's best record, wouldn't jump at the chance to play the eight-day series if for no other reason than to require the Yankees to play the seven-day series so Joba Chamberlain would only be available for three games, instead of the four in which he'd be allowed to pitch in the extended version?
shadyridr
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Thanks icon. I guess MLB also changed the fact that there is now a day off between Games 4 & 5. Previous years all teams had to play 3,4,5 in a row. Anyway, I would think the Joba Rules will go out the window once the playoffs start but that remains to be seen.
Darth Cheney
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Usually I'm one to take Bawston hyperbole with a grain of salt (GREENIE'S SACK SWEAT CURES CANCER!!!, PEDRO IS THE GREATEST EVAH!!!, THEO PLAYS GUITAR BETTAH THAN HENDRIX!!, ) but I'm surprised that noone is calling last night a huge win.....because it was.
Thought the same exact thing.lol at the thought of the Sox making their decision based on 1 IP of Joba
HellToupee
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Papi 
Capella
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Yea, way to pop up.First homer -- legit. Second one was a farce. Not that it matters for the Rays, but that was ridiculous.Papi
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Why teams persist on pitching to Papi when he can beat them is a mystery to me.
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Sammy3469
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FWIW, Gammons was on Baseball Tonight and said he thought if given the chance the Sox would go with the shorter series since either the Angels or the Indians have good 1-2 punches meaning the Sox #4 (either Wake/Buchholz) v Westbrook or Weaver/Colon is a better matchup than Schilling/Dice-K v Escobar or Carmona.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I'm officially a Red Sox supporter for this coming weekend. I'll drop all the "Sux" talk at least until Monday. If they sweep this series I won't actively root against them in the first round as repayment (unless of course they are playing the Tigers). Please let them know.
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shadyridr
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Red Sox would rather pick the schedule that gives the Yanks the disadvantage than the one that gives the Sox the advantage.
Seriously, the only team in the AL playoffs with a quality #4 IS Boston so they would have the advantage if they chose that schedule.
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wilked
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Well, with 15 games to go they will need to win 11 to hit the hundred mark. I don't think that will happen...looks like Gagne's meltdowns earlier this season will have cost them the three digits. They will end up with 97 - 99 in all likelihood, obviously still a great season, and will most likely be the best record in the majors.
It is also looking like BOS/CLE and LAA/NYY. Assuming Boston takes the compressed schedule, I gotta like their chances to advance to the ALCS. That means the Yankees would have to face Lackey / Escobar twice in a short series, with LAA holding home field...I think LAA has a distinct advantage there. As for the ALCS matchup - tough one to call...
It is also looking like BOS/CLE and LAA/NYY. Assuming Boston takes the compressed schedule, I gotta like their chances to advance to the ALCS. That means the Yankees would have to face Lackey / Escobar twice in a short series, with LAA holding home field...I think LAA has a distinct advantage there. As for the ALCS matchup - tough one to call...
shadyridr
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We could be playing LAA on the moon and face their 7th SP and wed still get our asses handed to us.
wilked
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well, the records are close now, but LAA's schedule is pretty cake the rest of the way, thus my assumption that they finish with second best record
David Yudkin
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My concern for the Sox is their starting pitching, long thought to be their strength.Dice has been very shaky the last month (9.57 ERA in his last 5 starts)Wakefield got racked after hurting his back (17.55 ERA in his two starts since coming back)Schilling has blown hot and cold this year, He's been mostly reliable since coming off the DL (3.38 ERA)Lester, while 4-0, has been very ordinary most of the time (4.58 ERA and 4 quality starts in 9 games)Beckett has been the horse for them to ride all season.In the post season, I see Beckett and Schilling as two assets but the other guys need to turn it around or they will be in trouble.Any word on when Manny is supposed to make his return? I tried looking for upated information and didn't find any. And BTW, there are 19 guys in the majors with the last name of Ramirez.
David Yudkin
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I think he should, but I heard an interview with Theo a couple days ago and while he never flat out said that he wouldn't start, he did say Buckholz had already reached the season limit that they had alloted for him and that he would see limited work from the bullpen. Given that he's not getting regular work and has not had many starts lately, one would wonder that if they planned to start him if he should be having a regular day to pitch and have a starter's workload.Gammons was saying its a strong possibility that Buckholz starts a playoff game, perhaps even a game 3
wilked
Footballguy
Also, whoever said Schill is hot and cold must be watching a different team then I am...
Check the game logs
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player...&statType=2
He obviously sucked on the season opener, and he had one bad game against the Yankees. Other then that he has been great...then he came an out from a no-hitter, overthrew in the the process, had two stinkers and went on the DL. Since he came back he has been quite strong. That is not hot and cold, that is a good pitcher who who got hurt mid-season
Check the game logs
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player...&statType=2
He obviously sucked on the season opener, and he had one bad game against the Yankees. Other then that he has been great...then he came an out from a no-hitter, overthrew in the the process, had two stinkers and went on the DL. Since he came back he has been quite strong. That is not hot and cold, that is a good pitcher who who got hurt mid-season
Darth Cheney
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He must not be that good. I certainly don't mind seeing him on the mound whenever the Yanks play Bawston.
wilked
Footballguy
I forget...how has he fared against the Yankees in the postseason?
shadyridr
Footballguy
That was a long time ago my friend.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
He's had 22 starts and 13 quality starts (6 or more IP with 3 or fewer ER allowed). That's 59%. Is that good, bad, or in between?
wilked
Footballguy
What if you adjust the 'quality start' to 4ER over 7IP...Just saying...kinda an arbitrary stat. Take out his 1st game, and his 2 games before he went on the DL (I know, that is selective, but still has some basis) and I bet he is a sub-4 dominant pitcher. I am tired of running numbers...if you wanta do it, feel free
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I know quality starts is an actual stat, that's why I used that one.
wilked
Footballguy
actual? Who defines the 'actual' stats
Is that like when we use RBI to judge the MVP
wilked
Footballguy
I would argue that it is pretty solid. Give him one more QS and he is at 63% (tied with Shields). Mr. Consistency, Cy Wang, is at 67% for comparison. FWIW only 8 pitchers in the AL have better then 68% QS. (min. 100 innings pitched)The problem with QS stat is that the line is quite arbitrary...would you rater have 6IP 3ER, or 8IP 4 ER? Same ERA, but only one of those is a QS. In this regard it is not a pure stat, IMO. ERA is a pure stat, and in this regard Curt has been very good (top 20). Again, you can decide for yourself on the validity of the cherry-picking, but take away his awful season opener and the two games pre-DL where he was hurt, and his ERA becomes 3.19. Hard to consider that up and down, IMO.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Injured Manny Ramirez likely to miss entire series against Yankees Injured Manny Ramirez likely to miss entire series against Yankees September 14, 2007BOSTON (AP) -- Manny Ramirez is getting closer to returning from a strained muscle in his left side but the Boston outfielder appears to be a long shot to play in the three-game series with New York that began Friday night. "He's not ready to play," Red Sox manager Terry Francona said before the opener of the series between the top two teams in the AL East. "Maybe by the beginning of the week is somewhat realistic, but, again, you just don't know. He is making a lot of progress and doing a good job." Center fielder Coco Crisp was taken out of the starting lineup because of a sore left hip, leaving Boston without two regular outfielders. Crisp was replaced by rookie Jacoby Ellsbury. Ramirez was out of the lineup for the 16th consecutive game Friday after being injured on Aug. 28, in a 5-3 loss in New York in the opener of the Yankees' three-game sweep. Ramirez "did well" swinging the bat Thursday, Francona said. "He came out on his off day and took a ton of swings," Francona said. "I don't know how realistic it is for him to play in the next couple of days. "I don't think it's ever been the case but I do think he's getting a lot closer. I don't think it's fair to put an exact day on it." The Red Sox lost their first three games without Ramirez but were 9-3 in the next 12. The cleanup hitter is batting .292 with 20 homers and 86 RBIs in 125 games. "He hits the ball off the wall (in batting practice) and everybody thinks he should be playing," Francona said. "There's a difference between taking swings in a controlled environment and then moving to BP and then going to a game." The Red Sox entered Friday with a 5 1/2 -game lead over New York in the division. The Yankees began the day with a 3 1/2 -game lead over Detroit in the AL wild-card race.
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wilked
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So, Wakefield is not right...this is very apparent. I think he is no longer the #4 in the playoffs. With Tavarez as your long man, and Lester unable to do anything consistenly, that leaves Buchholz as the #4 IMO. It is no coinciden to me that they announced Buch as the starter tomorrow, following Wake's performance. Assuming he pitches well tomorrow, then, you give him one more start before the end of the season (cap him at 5 IP / 75 pitches), then he is the #4 headed into the playoffs.
Beckett / Schill / Dice-K / Buchholz...I like that a lot
Beckett / Schill / Dice-K / Buchholz...I like that a lot
Tremendous Upside
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Red Sox are 90-61, with 11 games left...Cleveland and Anaheim are both 88-62, with 12 games left...To "wrap up" best record the Sox would have to go either 10-1 or 11-0 (depending on tiebreakers I don't feel like researching), since Anaheim and Cleveland can both obviously get to a maximum of 100 wins...
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wilked
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I was not referring to 'theoretical'...Neither team will go 10-1, or 9-2. Sox win both tie-breakers so both teams would need to pull ahead of themRed Sox are 90-61, with 11 games left...Cleveland and Anaheim are both 88-62, with 12 games left...To "wrap up" best record the Sox would have to go either 10-1 or 11-0 (depending on tiebreakers I don't feel like researching), since Anaheim and Cleveland can both obviously get to a maximum of 100 wins...
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I don't think theoretical means what you think it means...I was not referring to 'theoretical'...Neither team will go 10-1, or 9-2. Sox win both tie-breakers so both teams would need to pull ahead of themRed Sox are 90-61, with 11 games left...Cleveland and Anaheim are both 88-62, with 12 games left...To "wrap up" best record the Sox would have to go either 10-1 or 11-0 (depending on tiebreakers I don't feel like researching), since Anaheim and Cleveland can both obviously get to a maximum of 100 wins...
wilked
Footballguy
how about 'statistical'If the Sox finish with 96 wins, either Cle or LAA would need to go 9-3 to overtake the lead. I don't see that happening for either team. (The Yankees would need to go 10-2 on their end, which also isn't happening). So, for me, 6 / 11 is the golden number.I don't think theoretical means what you think it means...I was not referring to 'theoretical'...Neither team will go 10-1, or 9-2. Sox win both tie-breakers so both teams would need to pull ahead of them
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
The Yanks just finished a 10-2 12 game stretch against Seattle (2 games), KC, Toronto, Boston, and Baltimore (1 game)...Doesn't seem outrageous to think they could do the same against Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa...how about 'statistical'If the Sox finish with 96 wins, either Cle or LAA would need to go 9-3 to overtake the lead. I don't see that happening for either team. (The Yankees would need to go 10-2 on their end, which also isn't happening). So, for me, 6 / 11 is the golden number.I don't think theoretical means what you think it means...I was not referring to 'theoretical'...Neither team will go 10-1, or 9-2. Sox win both tie-breakers so both teams would need to pull ahead of them
Is it likely?Probably not, but to dismiss it out of hand seems a bit rash...
