The Official Kicker (K) Thread (7 Viewers)

[Gottabesweet]

Gano got me 8 yesterday, However they play @ NYG this week. Far out to look at the weather, but the way Carolina keeps firing TD's I'm not sure I want Gano.

Options:

Catanzaro - @ Phi

Prater @ NO

Barth @ STL

Boswell vs. Denver

 

[Moonshine]

Gano got me 8 yesterday, However they play @ NYG this week. Far out to look at the weather, but the way Carolina keeps firing TD's I'm not sure I want Gano.

Options:

Catanzaro - @ Phi

Prater @ NO

Barth @ STL

Boswell vs. Denver

This week, I'd probably rank them Gano-->Cat-->The Bos-->Barth-->Prater. Give me a kicker on a team with a consistently reliable offense, more than anything else, since that generally gives a kicker a pretty reasonable floor.

I'm a Boswell holder myself, and would likely start him over any of the others since you gotta dance with the one that brought you, but I think you're in a "set it and forget it" situation with any of those top three on my ranking. It's not worth agonizing over.

 

[the spanker]

No one like Josh Brown?

 

[djjosee]

No one like Josh Brown?

need him to get 12 points tonight!

 

[MNTom]

Osweiler making McManus relevant again. Doinked a 49 yarder off the upright yesterday but otherwise solid. Finishes out @Pit and CIN (MNF).

The prior 3 games with Osweiler starting were pretty bad for McManus.

 

[MNTom]

No one like Josh Brown?

need him to get 12 points tonight!

?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Pick up Cat @ Phi or keep Prater @ NO

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Pick up Cat @ Phi or keep Prater @ NO

I like Prater but ARI's kicker is the safer pick imo.

 

[Los Gigantes]

Deciding on two out of Barth, Prater, (on team currently) and McManus and santos (both recently dropped)

 

[Los Gigantes]

One advantage of prater. (At least as a tie breaker) He plays Monday night. Gives you a way to catch up and a rooting interest.

 

[Casting Couch]

Pick up Cat @ Phi or keep Prater @ NO

Cat

 

[Gottabesweet]

Gano @ NYG. Is this the week Carolina lays and egg?

 

[TZMarkie]

I'm debating on Prater.

Lets face it, he has been brutal some weeks, more notably early in the season.

I originally had Santos in place, but its not only going to now all of a sudden be cold in Baltimore, but my choice of Prater is going to be in a dome, AND is against the Saints who have been giving up a heap of points.

The Lions have looked like they may have entered "mail it in mode", but that may well help Prater too.

Not really confident rolling out Prater, but there are some positives working in his favor.

(I'm facing Hightower and Megatron that night in the same league, so it does give me a tiny bit of points to root for as well)

Added bonus- Prater is @ home vs. SF in week 16.

That isn't a bad match up either, if any of us do get to week 16.

TZM

 

[dirtyjay]

I'm debating on Prater.

Lets face it, he has been brutal some weeks, more notably early in the season.

I originally had Santos in place, but its not only going to now all of a sudden be cold in Baltimore, but my choice of Prater is going to be in a dome, AND is against the Saints who have been giving up a heap of points.

The Lions have looked like they may have entered "mail it in mode", but that may well help Prater too.

Not really confident rolling out Prater, but there are some positives working in his favor.

(I'm facing Hightower and Megatron that night in the same league, so it does give me a tiny bit of points to root for as well)

Added bonus- Prater is @ home vs. SF in week 16.

That isn't a bad match up either, if any of us do get to week 16.

TZM

Prater had 2 extra points in a juicy matchup last week.

 

[dirtyjay]

Gano @ NYG. Is this the week Carolina lays and egg?

No Stewart and banged up Olsen makes it possible.

 

[MNTom]

I'm debating on Prater.

Lets face it, he has been brutal some weeks, more notably early in the season.

I originally had Santos in place, but its not only going to now all of a sudden be cold in Baltimore, but my choice of Prater is going to be in a dome, AND is against the Saints who have been giving up a heap of points.

The Lions have looked like they may have entered "mail it in mode", but that may well help Prater too.

Not really confident rolling out Prater, but there are some positives working in his favor.

(I'm facing Hightower and Megatron that night in the same league, so it does give me a tiny bit of points to root for as well)

Added bonus- Prater is @ home vs. SF in week 16.

That isn't a bad match up either, if any of us do get to week 16.

TZM

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

 

[Ilov80s]

Really going back and forth on Prater or the Steelers kicker.

 

[TZMarkie]

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

I don't live too far from there, and trust me the temperature has dropped here about 35 degrees in the last week.

But I get your point, its not overly cold all things considered.

There is a potential shootout matchup with the Lions and the Saints though, thats my general thinking.

Santos is a decent play, but I think that could well be a 17-7 game.

Its certainly not like the Chiefs and Ravens are putting points up by the boatload.

TZM

 

[wilked]

Just dropped Gould for Boswell when I noticed he was the top kicker in my league and amazingly on the waiver wire.

 

[TZMarkie]

Really going back and forth on Prater or the Steelers kicker.

Oddly enough, my first choice was the PITT kicker also.

But as a fluke I am starting DeAngelo Williams and Martavis Bryant BOTH in that same league.

I don't personally like starting 3 players from the same team if I can help it. A slow game from that NFL would sink that (or any) team in those scenarios.

(just so happens all the playoff teams in my league have the top kickers, which is why Boswell is still out there)

TZM

 

[FF Maestro]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

 

[JIslander]

Yeah, I have McManus but deciding whether to get Boswell OR just get out of Pittsburgh totally -- Santos is available, but I agree with TZ about how that game may play out --

 

[MNTom]

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

I don't live too far from there, and trust me the temperature has dropped here about 35 degrees in the last week.

But I get your point, its not overly cold all things considered.

There is a potential shootout matchup with the Lions and the Saints though, thats my general thinking.

Santos is a decent play, but I think that could well be a 17-7 game.

Its certainly not like the Chiefs and Ravens are putting points up by the boatload.

TZM

Chiefs are top ten team in points scored. Last week they played in heavy rain which definitely affected the scoring. Before last week, KC had scored 45, 29, 33, 30 and 34 points.

 

[Moonshine]

I'm rolling out Boswell till the end. They keep feeding him FGAs, and he's one of, if not the top kicker in my league, even after not playing the first month of the season.

I do think his current rate is unsustainable, and I don't believe in such a thing as a "high floor" for a kicker, but after what he's done this season he seems like a no-brainer starter to me.

 

[JIslander]

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

I don't live too far from there, and trust me the temperature has dropped here about 35 degrees in the last week.

But I get your point, its not overly cold all things considered.

There is a potential shootout matchup with the Lions and the Saints though, thats my general thinking.

Santos is a decent play, but I think that could well be a 17-7 game.

Its certainly not like the Chiefs and Ravens are putting points up by the boatload.

TZM

Chiefs are top ten team in points scored. Last week they played in heavy rain which definitely affected the scoring. Before last week, KC had scored 45, 29, 33, 30 and 34 points.

Yeah, I can see that too -- When Raven's were not totally decimated, they were in games, bending but not breaking and giving up FG's -- over the last month though, they haven't given up much, but that appears to be either because the teams were offensively challenged (Ram, Dolphins) or got ran over ---Seattle --Perhaps KC moves the ball well, but not as well as Seattle

 

[Steeler]

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

I don't live too far from there, and trust me the temperature has dropped here about 35 degrees in the last week.

But I get your point, its not overly cold all things considered.

There is a potential shootout matchup with the Lions and the Saints though, thats my general thinking.

Santos is a decent play, but I think that could well be a 17-7 game.

Its certainly not like the Chiefs and Ravens are putting points up by the boatload.

TZM

Chiefs are top ten team in points scored. Last week they played in heavy rain which definitely affected the scoring. Before last week, KC had scored 45, 29, 33, 30 and 34 points.

I'm starting Santos with confidence (at least as much confidence as you can have in any kicker )

 

[Steeler]

It's going to be in the upper 40's in Baltimore. That is not cold. Also, wind is not going to a factor.

I don't live too far from there, and trust me the temperature has dropped here about 35 degrees in the last week.

But I get your point, its not overly cold all things considered.

There is a potential shootout matchup with the Lions and the Saints though, thats my general thinking.

Santos is a decent play, but I think that could well be a 17-7 game.

Its certainly not like the Chiefs and Ravens are putting points up by the boatload.

TZM

Chiefs are top ten team in points scored. Last week they played in heavy rain which definitely affected the scoring. Before last week, KC had scored 45, 29, 33, 30 and 34 points.

I'm starting Santos with confidence (at least as much confidence as you can have in any kicker )

 

[JIslander]

What happened to KC the last 2 weeks though ? I mean SD?!?

 

[MNTom]

What happened to KC the last 2 weeks though ? I mean SD?!?

KC scored 34 against Oak two weeks ago but it was all TDs and no FG attempts. Last week against SD, they played in heavy rain and windy conditions.

 

[MindBomb]

Debating between Santos and Boswell too. Have Santos but Boswell's production over the past five weeks has me reconsidering. Probably will make a gut decision at the last minute.

Anyone concerned about Denver's defense limiting FG attempts?

 

[monk]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup

Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm rolling out Boswell till the end. They keep feeding him FGAs, and he's one of, if not the top kicker in my league, even after not playing the first month of the season.

I do think his current rate is unsustainable, and I don't believe in such a thing as a "high floor" for a kicker, but after what he's done this season he seems like a no-brainer starter to me.

I picked him up. Has to be better than Josh Lambo.

Also just saw this for anyone trying to decide who to pick up.

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C.D. Carter‏@CDCarter13
because the people are hungry for kicker taeks: most FG attempts allowed/game OAK: 2.7 BAL: 2.5 SD: 2.3 DAL: 2.3 CLE: 2.2 NYG: 2.2 JAC: 2.2

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Never thought I'd ever post in the kicker thread let alone make two back-to-back kicker posts but just saw this interesting tidbit.

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Kicker production correlates with passing yards allowed. NYG: 308.4 pass yds allowed/game PIT: 279 NO: 278.8 IND: 276.2 OAK: 271.5 SF:268.5

 

[monk]

Never thought I'd ever post in the kicker thread let alone make two back-to-back kicker posts but just saw this interesting tidbit.

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Kicker production correlates with passing yards allowed. NYG: 308.4 pass yds allowed/game PIT: 279 NO: 278.8 IND: 276.2 OAK: 271.5 SF:268.5

You need to clarify which teams kicker benefits from passing yards allowed?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Never thought I'd ever post in the kicker thread let alone make two back-to-back kicker posts but just saw this interesting tidbit.

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Kicker production correlates with passing yards allowed. NYG: 308.4 pass yds allowed/game PIT: 279 NO: 278.8 IND: 276.2 OAK: 271.5 SF:268.5

You need to clarify which teams kicker benefits from passing yards allowed?

C.D. Carter did not spell it out but looking at the comments to that tweet the team allowing the high passing yards gives up more kicker production and intuitively that makes sense because the team facing the porous pass defense would be moving the ball more.

C.D Carter its not the best correlation and that also makes sense because bad passing teams and/or bad kickers will inevitably face teams who give up the highest passing yards.

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C.D. Carter ‏@CDCarter13 37m37 minutes ago
@Fantasy_Dude I suppose. It's not the best indicator. Just something I examine.

 

[Los Gigantes]

I'm debating on Prater.

Lets face it, he has been brutal some weeks, more notably early in the season.

I originally had Santos in place, but its not only going to now all of a sudden be cold in Baltimore, but my choice of Prater is going to be in a dome, AND is against the Saints who have been giving up a heap of points.

The Lions have looked like they may have entered "mail it in mode", but that may well help Prater too.

Not really confident rolling out Prater, but there are some positives working in his favor.

(I'm facing Hightower and Megatron that night in the same league, so it does give me a tiny bit of points to root for as well)

Added bonus- Prater is @ home vs. SF in week 16.

That isn't a bad match up either, if any of us do get to week 16.

TZM

Prater had 2 extra points in a juicy matchup last week.

True. And Barth underperformed in a juicy matchup last week, but this week he killed it in a juicy matchup. Playing the move that will most likely be best based on statistical analysis does not guarantee the right outcome. There are no slam dunk guarantees. But picking the better matchup gives you a greater chance of success.

That said, prater does not have a ton of attempts on the year. I would look at total attempts, attempts from 50+ and then matchup in making decisions.

That is why I ended up going with McManus over prater and Walsh.

 

[junk17]

Anybody have any thoughts on Forbath on Monday night? I haven't seen a lot on him in this thread... he is ranked high on FBG and will seemingly be involved in a shootout on Monday night.

 

[Los Gigantes]

Anybody have any thoughts on Forbath on Monday night? I haven't seen a lot on him in this thread... he is ranked high on FBG and will seemingly be involved in a shootout on Monday night.

Only 5/8 on the year. Big time reliability/accuracy issues. And the saints tend to score TDs when they get close. I would pass.

 

[JIslander]

I'm debating on Prater.

Lets face it, he has been brutal some weeks, more notably early in the season.

I originally had Santos in place, but its not only going to now all of a sudden be cold in Baltimore, but my choice of Prater is going to be in a dome, AND is against the Saints who have been giving up a heap of points.

The Lions have looked like they may have entered "mail it in mode", but that may well help Prater too.

Not really confident rolling out Prater, but there are some positives working in his favor.

(I'm facing Hightower and Megatron that night in the same league, so it does give me a tiny bit of points to root for as well)

Added bonus- Prater is @ home vs. SF in week 16.

That isn't a bad match up either, if any of us do get to week 16.

TZM

Prater had 2 extra points in a juicy matchup last week.

True. And Barth underperformed in a juicy matchup last week, but this week he killed it in a juicy matchup. Playing the move that will most likely be best based on statistical analysis does not guarantee the right outcome. There are no slam dunk guarantees. But picking the better matchup gives you a greater chance of success. That said, prater does not have a ton of attempts on the year. I would look at total attempts, attempts from 50+ and then matchup in making decisions.

That is why I ended up going with McManus over prater and Walsh.

How do Boswells attempts stack up since he started?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Metrics have Gostkowski-Walsh-Hauschka 1-2-3 this week

 

[Ilov80s]

Metrics have Gostkowski-Walsh-Hauschka 1-2-3 this week

Do we have some kind of track record on accurate these metrics have been?

 

[The Captain]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

Debating Bullock over McManus. I like McManus at home but on the road, not as confident. Hate these decisions.

 

[JIslander]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

Debating Bullock over McManus. I like McManus at home but on the road, not as confident. Hate these decisions.

I'm in same boat. Silly to be worried about a kicker choice, but here we are. I can still snag Boswell too.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

Debating Bullock over McManus. I like McManus at home but on the road, not as confident. Hate these decisions.

I'm in same boat. Silly to be worried about a kicker choice, but here we are. I can still snag Boswell too.

Debating McManus or Catanzaro. Thinking the Broncos have more FGAs but don't feel great about either.

 

[monk]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

Debating Bullock over McManus. I like McManus at home but on the road, not as confident. Hate these decisions.

This game is maddening !

Went with Bullock and the Jets pass up a field inside the 10 and get stopped so 0 pts instead of 3 or 1

Then the Jets score a TD and miss the xtra point -1

Of possible 4 pts Bullock has net -1

 

[JIslander]

I'm considering rolling with Randy Bullock tonight. Dallas is giving up the 2nd most points to kickers. Bullock has had 12, 11, and 9 points the past three weeks, and the game is in a dome. The Jets have the best red zone defense in the league and the o/u is at 41.5.......field goal game?

I considered Santos, but he's had some really down weeks of late. I could also use Prater, but I think that game could easily get away from Detroit or end up being TD after TD...

I was thinking Bullock for the same reasons ... I currently have Prater in my lineup Jets attempt 2.5 FGs per road game Det only .8 FGs on the road ...making the change

Debating Bullock over McManus. I like McManus at home but on the road, not as confident. Hate these decisions.

This game is maddening ! Went with Bullock and the Jets pass up a field inside the 10 and get stopped so 0 pts instead of 3 or 1

Then the Jets score a TD and miss the xtra point -1

Of possible 4 pts Bullock has net -1

Dah! I did same. Lets hope for more 3pt opportunities.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Debating between Santos and Boswell too. Have Santos but Boswell's production over the past five weeks has me reconsidering. Probably will make a gut decision at the last minute.

Anyone concerned about Denver's defense limiting FG attempts?

Same decision, don't know what to do. I'm leaning Boswell but I'm really torn here.

 

[dirtyjay]

Jets will have a new Kicker tomorrow

 

[Don't Toews Me]

Don't know if this means anything, but saw these two earlier today:

C.D. Carter ‏@CDCarter13 11h11 hours ago

because the people are hungry for kicker taeks: most FG attempts allowed/game

OAK: 2.7

BAL: 2.5

SD: 2.3

DAL: 2.3

CLE: 2.2

NYG: 2.2

JAC: 2.2

C.D. Carter ‏@CDCarter13 11h11 hours ago

Kicker production correlates with passing yards allowed.

NYG: 308.4 pass yds allowed/game

PIT: 279

NO: 278.8

IND: 276.2

OAK: 271.5

SF:268.5

 

[VaTerp]

Don't know if this means anything, but saw these two earlier today:

C.D. Carter ‏@CDCarter13 11h11 hours ago

because the people are hungry for kicker taeks: most FG attempts allowed/game

OAK: 2.7

BAL: 2.5

SD: 2.3

DAL: 2.3

CLE: 2.2

NYG: 2.2

JAC: 2.2

C.D. Carter ‏@CDCarter13 11h11 hours ago

Kicker production correlates with passing yards allowed.

NYG: 308.4 pass yds allowed/game

PIT: 279

NO: 278.8

IND: 276.2

OAK: 271.5

SF:268.5

Very helpful IMO.

I have Hauschka going in 2 semis. Thinking of flipping him for Prater in one.

Would like to see the full data for FGA.