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[radballs.]

what do people think of Twilight's stud WR strategy?How does his team stack up after 8 rounds compared to the rest?01.11 WR1 Randy Moss Min/4 Twilight02.02 WR2 Marvin Harrison Ind/6 Twilight03.11 RB27 Thomas Jones Chi/5 Twilight04.02 RB30 T.J. Duckett Atl/9 Twilight05.11 QB14 Chad Pennington NYJ/3 Twilight06.02 RB34 Lee Suggs Cle/8 Twilight07.11 QB31 AJ Feeley Mia/10 Twilight08.02 RB35 William Green Cle/8 TwilightIMO, AJ Feeley at 7.11 was a bigger reach than Quincy Carter at 8.10. I do think he recovered well at RB though with TJones, Duckett, and the Browns RB combo in the 6th/8th.

Very risky, indeed.Moss and Harrison will get him a lot of points each week. But Jones/Duckett/Suggs/Green wouldn't make me feel all that comfortable. Neither would Pennington/Feely.Granted I'm a bit biased, but I'd feel more comfortable with Bledsoe/Harrington like I have, than Pennington/Feely at this point, unless we know FOR SURE that Feely is the starter. I agree that unless Twilight gets Fiedler late (I'll let the release of the later rounds show whether he did or not), this is also very risky.Also, comparing my WR group of C Johnson/Owens/D Jax/Boston with his two studs in Moss/Harrison, I'd like my chances here too. He should get some very nice production out of his two. But if one of them stumbles, gets injured (God I hope not, for my sake in many other leagues!), or has a bye week, he better PRAY one of his late round WRs picks up the slack, or he's in trouble. Though mine aren't quite in the same tier as his two WRs, I like my chances for consistency and getting solid production every week out of mine (barring injury, and that dreaded week 5 bye week).Finally, comparing RBs, his RBs are iffy. Jones will be fighting with A-Train for PT (though everyone thinks Jones has the inside edge for the starting spot). Duckett is fighting with Dunn for PT. And he has Green and Suggs, who take away from each other each week. He'll get production out of them, yes, but I wouldn't feel entirely comfortable either. Looking at mine, I at least have one stud at RB in Tomlinson, who should do well nearly every week. Dunn will be fighting with Duckett, as mentioned before, but has good hands, and will receive a lot of swing passes, which is something Duckett isn't all that great at (he reminds me so much of Bettis, it's ridiculous). I may not have the quantity at RB like Twilight, but I still feel mine will be right there production-wise as all four of his combined.So in conclusion -- his team is ok, I suppose, but very risky. He needs some questions answered before the season starts (like whether Feely is the starter or not, how Moss' foot will be, etc.)

If Twilight had drafted RB/RB, he would have likely been inferior to most every other team that started RB/RB. In a sense, he's getting 1.5 in both Harrison and Moss, much like the Holmes and LT owners are getting 1.5-2 RBs out of their pick. I've been in several drafts with Twilight and he's always fielded a competitive team. For now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

If you're a fortune teller and know how some of these situations will play out, I'd say not bad. Given what we know today, I'd say bad.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

what do people think of Twilight's stud WR strategy?How does his team stack up after 8 rounds compared to the rest?01.11 WR1 Randy Moss Min/4 Twilight02.02 WR2 Marvin Harrison Ind/6 Twilight03.11 RB27 Thomas Jones Chi/5 Twilight04.02 RB30 T.J. Duckett Atl/9 Twilight05.11 QB14 Chad Pennington NYJ/3 Twilight06.02 RB34 Lee Suggs Cle/8 Twilight07.11 QB31 AJ Feeley Mia/10 Twilight08.02 RB35 William Green Cle/8 TwilightIMO, AJ Feeley at 7.11 was a bigger reach than Quincy Carter at 8.10. I do think he recovered well at RB though with TJones, Duckett, and the Browns RB combo in the 6th/8th.

Well, I like that he cuffed the Cleveland running game, but I don't like Feeley that early. By taking WR's early, he felt the pressure of getting quality RB's and had to pick up Rb's and handcuff. Meanwhile, there was a QB run going on and in the 7th round he was forced to take A.J. Feeley.Now, if Feeley starts, he made a decent pick. But right now it's a dogfight in Miami and his team captains Moss and Harrison aren't sleeping well at night.I personally can't stand Thomas Jones, but who's to say. Basically, if Feeley isn't starting in week 3 for Miami (Pennington's bye), Twilight has a good chance of being bumped off the island.

 

[BassNBrew]

what do people think of Twilight's stud WR strategy?How does his team stack up after 8 rounds compared to the rest?01.11 WR1 Randy Moss Min/4 Twilight02.02 WR2 Marvin Harrison Ind/6 Twilight03.11 RB27 Thomas Jones Chi/5 Twilight04.02 RB30 T.J. Duckett Atl/9 Twilight05.11 QB14 Chad Pennington NYJ/3 Twilight06.02 RB34 Lee Suggs Cle/8 Twilight07.11 QB31 AJ Feeley Mia/10 Twilight08.02 RB35 William Green Cle/8 TwilightIMO, AJ Feeley at 7.11 was a bigger reach than Quincy Carter at 8.10. I do think he recovered well at RB though with TJones, Duckett, and the Browns RB combo in the 6th/8th.

Well, I like that he cuffed the Cleveland running game, but I don't like Feeley that early. By taking WR's early, he felt the pressure of getting quality RB's and had to pick up Rb's and handcuff. Meanwhile, there was a QB run going on and in the 7th round he was forced to take A.J. Feeley.Now, if Feeley starts, he made a decent pick. But right now it's a dogfight in Miami and his team captains Moss and Harrison aren't sleeping well at night.I personally can't stand Thomas Jones, but who's to say. Basically, if Feeley isn't starting in week 3 for Miami (Pennington's bye), Twilight has a good chance of being bumped off the island.

Fiedler becomes a must pick for him unless he knows what is going down in Miami. If he locks up the Miami duo, he's injury proofed his QB position while securing a QB with big weapons (Boston, Chambers, McMichael - all top picks at their position) and a strong running game. The week 3 Pennington bye could seriously hurt this team.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

what do people think of Twilight's stud WR strategy?How does his team stack up after 8 rounds compared to the rest?01.11 WR1 Randy Moss Min/4 Twilight02.02 WR2 Marvin Harrison Ind/6 Twilight03.11 RB27 Thomas Jones Chi/5 Twilight04.02 RB30 T.J. Duckett Atl/9 Twilight05.11 QB14 Chad Pennington NYJ/3 Twilight06.02 RB34 Lee Suggs Cle/8 Twilight07.11 QB31 AJ Feeley Mia/10 Twilight08.02 RB35 William Green Cle/8 TwilightIMO, AJ Feeley at 7.11 was a bigger reach than Quincy Carter at 8.10. I do think he recovered well at RB though with TJones, Duckett, and the Browns RB combo in the 6th/8th.

Well, I like that he cuffed the Cleveland running game, but I don't like Feeley that early. By taking WR's early, he felt the pressure of getting quality RB's and had to pick up Rb's and handcuff. Meanwhile, there was a QB run going on and in the 7th round he was forced to take A.J. Feeley.Now, if Feeley starts, he made a decent pick. But right now it's a dogfight in Miami and his team captains Moss and Harrison aren't sleeping well at night.I personally can't stand Thomas Jones, but who's to say. Basically, if Feeley isn't starting in week 3 for Miami (Pennington's bye), Twilight has a good chance of being bumped off the island.

Fiedler becomes a must pick for him unless he knows what is going down in Miami. If he locks up the Miami duo, he's injury proofed his QB position while securing a QB with big weapons (Boston, Chambers, McMichael - all top picks at their position) and a strong running game. The week 3 Pennington bye could seriously hurt this team.

Yep, I agree that the Fiedler pick becomes a necessity, but this ties in with taking stud WR.You're stuck wasting a few rounds of handcuffs too early. If a staff member was wise, he'd see that Twilight was hurting in week 3 and snag fiedler and hope Twilight has no qb for week 3.The WR WR start forced him to handcuff Rb's, which cost him a solid QB 2 unless Fiedler is drafted and Feeley starts. Week 3 is early so Feeley needs to win the job in preseason.I also wonder later if Twilight handcuffs Anthony Thomas with Jones.

 

[Sinrman]

what do people think of Twilight's stud WR strategy?How does his team stack up after 8 rounds compared to the rest?01.11 WR1 Randy Moss Min/4 Twilight02.02 WR2 Marvin Harrison Ind/6 Twilight03.11 RB27 Thomas Jones Chi/5 Twilight04.02 RB30 T.J. Duckett Atl/9 Twilight05.11 QB14 Chad Pennington NYJ/3 Twilight06.02 RB34 Lee Suggs Cle/8 Twilight07.11 QB31 AJ Feeley Mia/10 Twilight08.02 RB35 William Green Cle/8 TwilightIMO, AJ Feeley at 7.11 was a bigger reach than Quincy Carter at 8.10. I do think he recovered well at RB though with TJones, Duckett, and the Browns RB combo in the 6th/8th.

Well, I like that he cuffed the Cleveland running game, but I don't like Feeley that early. By taking WR's early, he felt the pressure of getting quality RB's and had to pick up Rb's and handcuff. Meanwhile, there was a QB run going on and in the 7th round he was forced to take A.J. Feeley.Now, if Feeley starts, he made a decent pick. But right now it's a dogfight in Miami and his team captains Moss and Harrison aren't sleeping well at night.I personally can't stand Thomas Jones, but who's to say. Basically, if Feeley isn't starting in week 3 for Miami (Pennington's bye), Twilight has a good chance of being bumped off the island.

Fiedler becomes a must pick for him unless he knows what is going down in Miami. If he locks up the Miami duo, he's injury proofed his QB position while securing a QB with big weapons (Boston, Chambers, McMichael - all top picks at their position) and a strong running game. The week 3 Pennington bye could seriously hurt this team.

Yep, I agree that the Fiedler pick becomes a necessity, but this ties in with taking stud WR.You're stuck wasting a few rounds of handcuffs too early. If a staff member was wise, he'd see that Twilight was hurting in week 3 and snag fiedler and hope Twilight has no qb for week 3.The WR WR start forced him to handcuff Rb's, which cost him a solid QB 2 unless Fiedler is drafted and Feeley starts. Week 3 is early so Feeley needs to win the job in preseason.I also wonder later if Twilight handcuffs Anthony Thomas with Jones.

Well, either way, even IF he gets Fiedler later on, we aren't exactly talking about a top-end passing attack in the NFL. Whichever QB ends up being the starter, will be spending a large portion of the time handing off to Ricky Williams. So either way, we aren't talking about a strong QB position to be in...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If a staff member was wise, he'd see that Twilight was hurting in week 3 and snag fiedler and hope Twilight has no qb for week 3.

Roster spots are too precious to spend on Fiedler. It does no good to take Twilight out if I'd be taking myself out at the same time.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If a staff member was wise, he'd see that  Twilight was hurting in week 3 and snag fiedler and hope Twilight has no qb for week 3.

Roster spots are too precious to spend on Fiedler. It does no good to take Twilight out if I'd be taking myself out at the same time.

Wasn't that kind of the thinking though with the whole team concept of grabbing Qb's, to "squeeze". To allow Twilight to handcuff the Miami spot with a later pick allows him to get back into the game. I mean, your team picked up so many qb's in the first 8 rounds, you think they'd want to pick up the starter in Miami.I mean, after 8 rounds, Twilight is "squeezed." You have him in a tough spot. But if he has Fiedler, he's not squeezed. He would have Pennington (solid enough) and he'd have the Miami starter, with a much more solid passing game than in recent years. He'd be fine in the QB department in my opinion.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If a staff member was wise, he'd see that  Twilight was hurting in week 3 and snag fiedler and hope Twilight has no qb for week 3.

Roster spots are too precious to spend on Fiedler. It does no good to take Twilight out if I'd be taking myself out at the same time.

Wasn't that kind of the thinking though with the whole team concept of grabbing Qb's, to "squeeze".

The concept, to me, was this:1. It's a good idea to have 3 starting QBs on your roster. That way, if one is injured or benched, you still have two left, and two is way better than one. (And if none of them get injured, three is also definitely better than two.)

2. There aren't enough starting QBs in the NFL for all 12 teams to grab three of them. They will run out.

3. In order to get three QBs before they run out, the staff will have to take their QB3s before the MB crew does. If the QBs are expected to run out around the 8th round or so, that means I have to grab my QB3 no later than the seventh round (to be safe), which means grabbing my QB2 no later than the sixth round and my QB1 no later than the fifth round.

There's no room for Fiedler in that thinking. He's (probably) not a starting QB.

 

[zoonation]

I would be very nervous with Pennington as my QB#1 - never mind backing him up with Feely and hoping for a Fiedler handcuff. VERY RISKY IMOI predict this team doesn't last long; all it takes is Moss and Harrison having the same mediocre week and you're done. Pennington is not going to set the world on fire, any week.

 

[Joe T]

I'd like to hear some coments on defenses being taken in the 10th round in league 2. Is that a little early?

 

[bagger]

from the commentary...

At 10.11, Rudnicki grabbed a sleeper pick in Willis McGahee - good pick in this format considering McGahee is likely to see the field on a weekly basis and catch a lot of passes over the year. And it is great value with the pick coming after players that have a very low percentage of seeing the field on a weekly basis. I wonder why 'bagger passed on McGahee to back up Henry?

I passed on McGahee as I already had 4 RBs (R. Williams, T. Henry, G. Hearst, & Eddie George). I only had 2 WRs and felt that the need to strengthen my WR corps before the large gap in picks was essential. I could not grab a 5th RB as a "handcuff" at the expense of a viable starting WR.I also do not believe that McGahee will be a threat to Henry (barring injury). In a perfect world I would have liked to handcuff the two, but I was going to wait until about the 12th to do so.

The 10th was just too early.

 

[bagger]

Grades per the commentary:Culcasi: A+ (Staff)Bostonfred: A (MB)sandbagger: A- (MB)Smith: A- (Staff)Tremblay: B+ (Staff)Rudnicki: B+ (Staff)grouse: B (MB)Anderson: B (Staff)Sinrman: B- (MB)Twilight: C+ (MB)Yudkin: C (Staff)Rebel34: C- (MB)

 

[bagger]

I'd have to say the commentary is pretty much spot on. It will be interesting to see how much these change (if at all as people like cracKer finally round out their rosters with TEs).Also interesting to see that there is another trend with only the staff going early to grab the first two "premium" defenses.

 

[Marc Levin]

from the commentary...

At 10.11, Rudnicki grabbed a sleeper pick in Willis McGahee - good pick in this format considering McGahee is likely to see the field on a weekly basis and catch a lot of passes over the year. And it is great value with the pick coming after players that have a very low percentage of seeing the field on a weekly basis. I wonder why 'bagger passed on McGahee to back up Henry?

I passed on McGahee as I already had 4 RBs (R. Williams, T. Henry, G. Hearst, & Eddie George). I only had 2 WRs and felt that the need to strengthen my WR corps before the large gap in picks was essential. I could not grab a 5th RB as a "handcuff" at the expense of a viable starting WR.I also do not believe that McGahee will be a threat to Henry (barring injury). In a perfect world I would have liked to handcuff the two, but I was going to wait until about the 12th to do so.

The 10th was just too early.

Gotcha. I rarely second guess player choices in draft commentary, but may I hypothesize? Maybe you should have grabbed one of the WRs picked between Eddie and your Morgan where you took Eddie, and then hoped for Eddie to fall to you and, barring that, picked McGahee or some other back that appealed to you. I still think George, IF he re-signs and regains the starter role will be the primary G/L back again - despite his extremely disgusting ineffectiveness down there last year - and he could re-emerge as a better FF option than Brown.While I share your belief that McG will not eat into Henry's production for most of the year, I could easily see him starting a few games later in the year due to either injury, fumble-itis, or the Bills being eliminated from the playoffs - I also see McG getting weekly numbers in the passing game that would benefit you tremendously - though I would normally hesitate to add my fourth back as a guy sharing a bye week with one of my top-3 guys, and I can see that as an excellent reason to go a different direction.

 

[bagger]

from the commentary...

At 10.11, Rudnicki grabbed a sleeper pick in Willis McGahee - good pick in this format considering McGahee is likely to see the field on a weekly basis and catch a lot of passes over the year. And it is great value with the pick coming after players that have a very low percentage of seeing the field on a weekly basis. I wonder why 'bagger passed on McGahee to back up Henry?

I passed on McGahee as I already had 4 RBs (R. Williams, T. Henry, G. Hearst, & Eddie George). I only had 2 WRs and felt that the need to strengthen my WR corps before the large gap in picks was essential. I could not grab a 5th RB as a "handcuff" at the expense of a viable starting WR.I also do not believe that McGahee will be a threat to Henry (barring injury). In a perfect world I would have liked to handcuff the two, but I was going to wait until about the 12th to do so.

The 10th was just too early.

Gotcha. I rarely second guess player choices in draft commentary, but may I hypothesize? Maybe you should have grabbed one of the WRs picked between Eddie and your Morgan where you took Eddie, and then hoped for Eddie to fall to you and, barring that, picked McGahee or some other back that appealed to you. I still think George, IF he re-signs and regains the starter role will be the primary G/L back again - despite his extremely disgusting ineffectiveness down there last year - and he could re-emerge as a better FF option than Brown.While I share your belief that McG will not eat into Henry's production for most of the year, I could easily see him starting a few games later in the year due to either injury, fumble-itis, or the Bills being eliminated from the playoffs - I also see McG getting weekly numbers in the passing game that would benefit you tremendously - though I would normally hesitate to add my fourth back as a guy sharing a bye week with one of my top-3 guys, and I can see that as an excellent reason to go a different direction.

It really came down to me pushing my luck with how long I could wait on taking McGahee.In your hypothetical I could have easily taken a WR instead of George and maybe not had George or McGahee available when it came back to me.

Especially with the QB run so fresh and staff members needing to take WRs and a few MBers needing to take QBs I thought McGahee would have lasted another round or two.

With George there to be taken I thought what would be the better producing FF team?:

Williams

Henry

Hearst

George

or

Williams

Henry

Hearst

McGahee

I felt the first group of 4 would benefit me more over the course of the season at the time I made my pick.

It's like drafting a QB/WR combo. You don't necessarily "double up" when your two guys hook up. You'd rather have a QB / WR fantasy tandem that scores the most points, even though psychologically it seems like an advantage with the same team hookup.

The same thing with handcuffs. It "feels" like you are better protected having one team's RB situation covered, but at the end of the day if I get more production out of a back from a different team, that is what matters at the end of the day.

But great commentary. I enjoy seeing an outsider's view of what transpired.

 

[Chris Smith]

I think after the tenth round you are beginning to see how well myself and the other staff was able to find value at the receiving position in the mid-round. While cementing my quarterback (Green, McNair and Carr) and running back positions early (James, Bennett, Garner), I was still able to compile a good trio at receiver in (Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith and Plaxico Burress) that should be able to put up points in a consistent basis for my squad.My own thoughts on my roster after ten rounds...1) I really wanted Onterrio Smith on my squad but I feel that was a luxury and not a necessity. Bennett will rack up fantasy points behind the best offensive line in football whether he gets all the carries or not.2) My receiving core is strong despite ignoring it through the beginning of the draft and I believe all three players will play better than their draft position.3) Having a top defense is a nice addition. The Ravens will have some big weeks that could help my team survive4) I love my next several picks as well coming up and believe my 2nd half of the draft is stronger than the front half.*** Keep the good commentary coming.

 

[cracKer]

4) I love my next several picks as well coming up and believe my 2nd half of the draft is stronger than the front half.

When the draft ended I wasn't too happy with some of my late round selections. I've warmed up to them a bit but I still see one stumble. Hopefully my base is strong enough to cover up what could turn into a gaffe.Lovin' the commentary so far

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

My roster through 10 rounds (draft spot of player in League 1 in parentheses):05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 (5.09)06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 (6.10)07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 (7.03)01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 (same)02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 (same)03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 (2.08)10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 (10.04)04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 (4.09)08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 (6.11)09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 (9.09)I think my RBs have the potential to be the highest scoring group in the league. I love the collections of weapons my QBs have at their disposal and I think I should be able to get a 2 TD game from one of them almost every single week. At WR, I think Coles will be a very strong WR1 and I think Walker will be very explosive while Keyshawn will be very consistent. There is still plenty of talent at TE and WR to grab with my next few picks to make this roster even deeper than it already is, but I'm very happy at this point that I was never forced into making a pick that I wasn't crazy about. Furthermore, the bye weeks are spread out beautifully with the only conflict coming at RB in week 3 where Holmes and Staley should be more than adequate in a week with 10 teams still remaining.A comparison of draft positions between teams suggests the players generally went around the same part of the draft. Staley and J.Walker look like big value picks where I got them, while I took A.Brooks and Keyshawn a little higher than the owners in league 1. Interestingly, Colin and I both ended up with A.Brooks, Keyshawn, and McGahee despite picking at opposite ends of the draft. And, Unlucky and I both ended up with Holmes, Dillon, and J.Walker after picking from the same spot in the draft.I would have liked to have a more established player at QB2 than Palmer, but felt he was definitely the best available at that spot in the draft. Having him as my QB2 made getting a solid QB3 essential, and I think McCown should be in for some big games. In looking at my roster, the only concerns I have is whether Palmer and McCown will perform as well as they are expected to. As long as 1 performs well, I should be OK but if both struggle that will put a lot of pressure on Brooks and my RBs to carry me. I plan to load up with at least 6 or 7 WRs so I think my depth at that position will turn it from a potential weakness into a strength.

 

[LHUCKS]

My roster through 10 rounds (draft spot of player in League 1 in parentheses):05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 (5.09)06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 (6.10)07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 (7.03)01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 (same)02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 (same)03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 (2.08)10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 (10.04)04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 (4.09)08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 (6.11)09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 (9.09)

Strengths: -Three starting QBs- Three starting RBsWeaknesses:- Very Risky WR group- Wasted pick on McGahee IMO, would have gone WR thereNot a bad draft:Overall grade B+

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Weaknesses- Very Risky WR group- Wasted pick on McGahee IMO, would have gone WR there

all of the next group of WRs on my board had bye week conflicts that made them less appealing to me. I wanted a 4th RB on my roster and felt the 10th round was the appropriate time to grab one. Mainly, McGahee was taken for his huge upside...I felt comfortable with my top 3 RBs and thought it was worth taking a shot on a guy who could potentially have some big games. At a minimum, he should get some receptions and yardage and provide a decent RB3 option during Holmes and Staley's bye weeks.I still had the 11.02 pick coming up as well, but locking up a TE1 was my priority there. As a result, I planned to go WR/WR at the 12.11/13.02 turn to solidify that position a bit.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

My roster through 10 rounds (draft spot of player in League 1 in parentheses):05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 (5.09)06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 (6.10)07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 (7.03)01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 (same)02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 (same)03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 (2.08)10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 (10.04)04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 (4.09)08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 (6.11)09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 (9.09)I think my RBs have the potential to be the highest scoring group in the league. I love the collections of weapons my QBs have at their disposal and I think I should be able to get a 2 TD game from one of them almost every single week. At WR, I think Coles will be a very strong WR1 and I think Walker will be very explosive while Keyshawn will be very consistent. There is still plenty of talent at TE and WR to grab with my next few picks to make this roster even deeper than it already is, but I'm very happy at this point that I was never forced into making a pick that I wasn't crazy about. Furthermore, the bye weeks are spread out beautifully with the only conflict coming at RB in week 3 where Holmes and Staley should be more than adequate in a week with 10 teams still remaining.A comparison of draft positions between teams suggests the players generally went around the same part of the draft. Staley and J.Walker look like big value picks where I got them, while I took A.Brooks and Keyshawn a little higher than the owners in league 1. Interestingly, Colin and I both ended up with A.Brooks, Keyshawn, and McGahee despite picking at opposite ends of the draft. And, Unlucky and I both ended up with Holmes, Dillon, and J.Walker after picking from the same spot in the draft.I would have liked to have a more established player at QB2 than Palmer, but felt he was definitely the best available at that spot in the draft. Having him as my QB2 made getting a solid QB3 essential, and I think McCown should be in for some big games. In looking at my roster, the only concerns I have is whether Palmer and McCown will perform as well as they are expected to. As long as 1 performs well, I should be OK but if both struggle that will put a lot of pressure on Brooks and my RBs to carry me. I plan to load up with at least 6 or 7 WRs so I think my depth at that position will turn it from a potential weakness into a strength.

I like your team Aaron. You have a couple of issues at WR that could go the wrong way, but I'm sure every team feels that way in early July.

 

[BassNBrew]

I like Aaron's team too. He spent more on QB than I would have liked to, but the squeeze was the cause of that. With his QBs, he had to have 3. McGahee will likely post a score and that's about as much as you can expect at this point. I don't like the Keyshawn pick in general, but as a WR3 he should post a consistant number for Aaron. Definately a good WR3 whereas he's a WR2 in league 1.

 

[zoonation]

My roster through 10 rounds (draft spot of player in League 1 in parentheses):05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 (5.09)06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 (6.10)07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 (7.03)01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 (same)02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 (same)03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 (2.08)10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 (10.04)04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 (4.09)08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 (6.11)09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 (9.09)I think my RBs have the potential to be the highest scoring group in the league. I love the collections of weapons my QBs have at their disposal and I think I should be able to get a 2 TD game from one of them almost every single week. At WR, I think Coles will be a very strong WR1 and I think Walker will be very explosive while Keyshawn will be very consistent. There is still plenty of talent at TE and WR to grab with my next few picks to make this roster even deeper than it already is, but I'm very happy at this point that I was never forced into making a pick that I wasn't crazy about. Furthermore, the bye weeks are spread out beautifully with the only conflict coming at RB in week 3 where Holmes and Staley should be more than adequate in a week with 10 teams still remaining.A comparison of draft positions between teams suggests the players generally went around the same part of the draft. Staley and J.Walker look like big value picks where I got them, while I took A.Brooks and Keyshawn a little higher than the owners in league 1. Interestingly, Colin and I both ended up with A.Brooks, Keyshawn, and McGahee despite picking at opposite ends of the draft. And, Unlucky and I both ended up with Holmes, Dillon, and J.Walker after picking from the same spot in the draft.I would have liked to have a more established player at QB2 than Palmer, but felt he was definitely the best available at that spot in the draft. Having him as my QB2 made getting a solid QB3 essential, and I think McCown should be in for some big games. In looking at my roster, the only concerns I have is whether Palmer and McCown will perform as well as they are expected to. As long as 1 performs well, I should be OK but if both struggle that will put a lot of pressure on Brooks and my RBs to carry me. I plan to load up with at least 6 or 7 WRs so I think my depth at that position will turn it from a potential weakness into a strength.

this team makes the merger easily. Nice draft so far.

 

[Marc Levin]

this team makes the merger easily. Nice draft so far.

Watch the jinx factor. I agree, though, the guys I believe are the best drafters in League Two put together nice teams - Aaron, B-Fred, Chris, Culcasi, 'Bagger, and Tremblay are my leading candidates to make the merger.I really believe the other four guys in that league will have to have some great luck/overcome big obstacles to survive those guys.

 

[Joe T]

After 10 rounds I have league 2 at:1. Chris Smith2. Sandbagger3. Boston Fred4. Aaron Rudnicki5. Shawn Culcasi6. Maurile Tremblay7. Sinrman8. Grouse 9. Rebel34 10. Twilight11. David Yudkin12. Mike Anderson

 

[Unlucky]

As this draft gets released further, I recommend starting another thread. Keep all 4 threads pinned. (2 leagues x 2 threads)

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

After 10 rounds I have league 2 at:1. Chris Smith2. Sandbagger3. Boston Fred4. Aaron Rudnicki5. Shawn Culcasi6. Maurile Tremblay7. Sinrman8. Grouse 9. Rebel34 10. Twilight11. David Yudkin12. Mike Anderson

4 out of the 6 top teams are staff members4 out of the 6 bottom teams are message board guys

 

[bagger]

After 10 rounds I have league 2 at:1. Chris Smith2. Sandbagger3. Boston Fred4. Aaron Rudnicki5. Shawn Culcasi6. Maurile Tremblay7. Sinrman8. Grouse 9. Rebel34 10. Twilight11. David Yudkin12. Mike Anderson

4 out of the 6 top teams are staff members4 out of the 6 bottom teams are message board guys

No surprise there in my mind.Other than Bfred and myself, I felt a few of the MBers were in over their head through this point of the draft in this league. There seemed to be a lot of reacting instead of being proactive.No shock that the two MBers who weren't played in Survivor II last year. That experience definitely helped me in this draft and feel that my team is head and shoulders above my SII team from last year.

 

[LHUCKS]

After 10 rounds I have league 2 at:1. Chris Smith2. Sandbagger3. Boston Fred4. Aaron Rudnicki5. Shawn Culcasi6. Maurile Tremblay7. Sinrman8. Grouse 9. Rebel34 10. Twilight11. David Yudkin12. Mike Anderson

hmmm...three of the top 4 are from Survivor II. I really can't believe it, I mean who would have thought?

 

[Marc Levin]

My top teams aren't a reflection of Joe T's list:CulcasiB-FredSmithSandbaggerAaronTremblayare my top guys - pretty much in that order - through the 10th round. While three of the top-5 are SII guys, three of the top 5 guys are also staff, and only one of th etop 3 is an SII guy - that, of course, is likely to change a bit as the draft unfolds since I believe Aaron was just getting started on building depth to his WR crew.

 

[GregR_2]

So question for you SII guys doing this draft.Do you think that when it's all said and done, you'll say about this one what was said about SII? That you could pretty much pick the winner with a coin flip?

 

[bagger]

So question for you SII guys doing this draft.Do you think that when it's all said and done, you'll say about this one what was said about SII? That you could pretty much pick the winner with a coin flip?

I thought the SII draft was more competitive than this one. I do not know if that is a product of the staff doing the team concept or some of the other MBers not drafting as well, but I found the guys I expected to be there for me were a lot more than last year.I feel that the teams in this league are a lot more dispersed talent-wise than SII where I did think the differences between teams 1-10 were very small.

 

[LHUCKS]

So question for you SII guys doing this draft.Do you think that when it's all said and done, you'll say about this one what was said about SII? That you could pretty much pick the winner with a coin flip?

I thought the SII draft was more competitive than this one. I do not know if that is a product of the staff doing the team concept or some of the other MBers not drafting as well, but I found the guys I expected to be there for me were a lot more than last year.I feel that the teams in this league are a lot more dispersed talent-wise than SII where I did think the differences between teams 1-10 were very small.

That's what I see as well...SII may have been Dodds' best draft ever

 

[Marc Levin]

SII may have been Dodds' best draft ever

What do you mean?

 

[bagger]

SII may have been Dodds' best draft ever

What do you mean?

i agree...was dodds in that and i didn't know?

 

[LHUCKS]

SII may have been Dodds' best draft ever

What do you mean?

His selection of the participants

 

[bagger]

SII may have been Dodds' best draft ever

What do you mean?

His selection of the participants

:rotflmao:

 

[Chris Smith]

After 10 rounds I have league 2 at:1. Chris Smith2. Sandbagger3. Boston Fred4. Aaron Rudnicki5. Shawn Culcasi6. Maurile Tremblay7. Sinrman8. Grouse 9. Rebel34 10. Twilight11. David Yudkin12. Mike Anderson

I have the same six people at the top of the list except at this point in the draft. Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.I also believe Mike Anderson is better than the 12th squad. He had a solid draft.These two threads make for a fantastic read. Great work everyone

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

 

[bagger]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

week 3 is a concern.with my #2 back on a bye and only having 3 WRs playing for me that week, i will need a strong week out of my other performers (especially my WRs).however, the fact that it is my top 3 receivers that will be playing that week makes me less concerned and the fact that i am hoping both hearst and george will be starting in denver (and Tenn) at that point.if both do not, i could be scrambling for sure.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

Having just Kyle Boller at QB in week 4 could hurt BFred. That's a potential stumbling block for him.

 

[Sinrman]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

Having just Kyle Boller at QB in week 4 could hurt BFred. That's a potential stumbling block for him.

Yeah, but Boller is up against KC that week.............on Monday Night Football!Surely even HE can put some respectable numbers that week!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

Having just Kyle Boller at QB in week 4 could hurt BFred. That's a potential stumbling block for him.

Yeah, but Boller is up against KC that week.............on Monday Night Football!Surely even HE can put some respectable numbers that week!

KC racked up a lot of INTs last year. Best bet for B'more that week is to run the ball against the Chiefs soft run defense. I suppose that's not a terrible matchup but I'm not sure I'd ever want to count on Boller throwing 1, much less 2, TDs in any particular game this season. He's just as likely to throw 0 TDs as he is to throw 1, IMO. And, if he puts up a low score, BFred's other guys will really need to come through for him. Flip side of that matchup: I wouldn't be too confident in Gonzo going up against the Ravens DEF.

 

[bostonfred2]

Both Sandbagger and Boston Fred had excellent picks throughout the first ten and are easily the class of the MBers.

I'm hoping sanbagger drops out in week 3 and bostonfred drops out in weeks 7/8. That's where they have the biggest bye issues.But overall, both teams are strong.

Having just Kyle Boller at QB in week 4 could hurt BFred. That's a potential stumbling block for him.

Yeah, but Boller is up against KC that week.............on Monday Night Football!Surely even HE can put some respectable numbers that week!

KC racked up a lot of INTs last year. Best bet for B'more that week is to run the ball against the Chiefs soft run defense. I suppose that's not a terrible matchup but I'm not sure I'd ever want to count on Boller throwing 1, much less 2, TDs in any particular game this season. He's just as likely to throw 0 TDs as he is to throw 1, IMO. And, if he puts up a low score, BFred's other guys will really need to come through for him. Flip side of that matchup: I wouldn't be too confident in Gonzo going up against the Ravens DEF.

Fortunately, Priest will also be playing against the KC D. Wait, Aaron... isn't that your guy?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Fortunately, Priest will also be playing against the KC D. Wait, Aaron... isn't that your guy?

yes, Priest will be playing against the RAVENS D...but I'll have 3 QBs playing and 2 other quality starting RBs playing in addition to Holmes.and this isn't a head to head league so not sure how my matchups are all that relevant to your chances. are you suggesting that you'd prefer Boller against KC and Gonzo against Baltimore OVER Holmes vs Baltimore? Or are you suggesting week 4 is a danger spot for my team b/c of that matchup?either way, I think my team is built in a way that I won't have to rely on any individual player...and the only guy on my roster so far with a bye in week 4 is Keyshawn.I was just pointing out that your only QB that week will be Boller and you'll have Gonzo up against Ray Lewis, so I'm sure you'll sweat that week a bit more than the rest.

 

[Sinrman]

BAH! We're letting those weak sisters in League 1 outdo us! More posts!

 

[bagger]

BAH! We're letting those weak sisters in League 1 outdo us! More posts!

i'm posting in both.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

BAH! We're letting those weak sisters in League 1 outdo us! More posts!

I did a little analysis in League 1 only because 1 comes before 2 I guess. I'm printing out the draft pages for League 2 and am going to check them out tonight. I'll post a few things tomorrow in League 2.Hey SinRman, you know what they say, watch what you wish for because you just might get it.

 

[bostonfred2]

Fortunately, Priest will also be playing against the KC D. Wait, Aaron... isn't that your guy?

yes, Priest will be playing against the RAVENS D...but I'll have 3 QBs playing and 2 other quality starting RBs playing in addition to Holmes.and this isn't a head to head league so not sure how my matchups are all that relevant to your chances.

So two guys, we'll call them Fred and Aaron, go for a walk in the woods, when they suddenly run into a big ol bear. Well wouldn't you know it, they got a little too close to the mama bear's cub, and the bear started running towards them. Now Aaron, he starts running his girly little legs off. But Fred sits down, takes off his boots, and reaches into his backpack to take out some sneakers. Aaron stops, dumbfounded and says, "Fred, how come you're not running? You're never gonna outrun that bear with sneakers on!"And Fred says, "I don't have to outrun the bear, Aaron. I just have to outrun YOU."

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Fortunately, Priest will also be playing against the KC D. Wait, Aaron... isn't that your guy?

yes, Priest will be playing against the RAVENS D...but I'll have 3 QBs playing and 2 other quality starting RBs playing in addition to Holmes.and this isn't a head to head league so not sure how my matchups are all that relevant to your chances.

So two guys, we'll call them Fred and Aaron, go for a walk in the woods, when they suddenly run into a big ol bear. Well wouldn't you know it, they got a little too close to the mama bear's cub, and the bear started running towards them. Now Aaron, he starts running his girly little legs off. But Fred sits down, takes off his boots, and reaches into his backpack to take out some sneakers. Aaron stops, dumbfounded and says, "Fred, how come you're not running? You're never gonna outrun that bear with sneakers on!"And Fred says, "I don't have to outrun the bear, Aaron. I just have to outrun YOU."

in week 4, you'll have to outrun just 1 out of 9 owners, but Ray Lewis is a bear I wouldn't want to mess with when your only QB is wearing high heels.