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The Presidential Pardon thread (1 Viewer)

All of these pardons are just cover for the pardons he wants to do, so he can say it is not just his guys (Stone etc). It is like going to the grocery store and buying a bunch of innocuous items like string cheese and milk that you don't really need while you are rung up for a tall stack of porn and a barrel of KY by the cashier. 

 
Crazy this Kerik guy getting pardoned was an associate of with the college sex trafficker that just got busted. I wonder if Kwamme Kilpatrick gets the next pardon?

 
Trump said he saw Blago’s wife on tv but doesn’t know them very well. What does that have to do with commuting a sentence?

 
never thought i would see 40 percent of this country for corruption...usually it's such a political turnoff - not with this cult of personality

 
It's nothing more than a signal to Big Money Men.  As long as you donate some of the money to Republicans to get me re-elected....we don't care how you get the money.  Classic kick-up; straight up mob style 

 
So I guess "drain the swamp" actually means "take the water out and replace it with sewage." Because that's what's happening now.

 
Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff 18h18 hours ago

There are 175,000 federal prisoners. Many are serving harsh sentences and deserve mercy.

Yet, Trump uses pardons almost exclusively for:

1) Political supporters

2) Wealthy individuals

3) Contestants on his TV show

And worse abuses are almost surely to come.

:(

 
squistion said:
:no:

In addition to clearing his criminal record, Trump's pardon for ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik cancels out $103,300 he still owes the IRS as part of his tax fraud conviction, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan tells NYDailyNews.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-blagojevich-kerik-milken-20200218-lmwe5t43rzhwrhe2uuul5uvvje-story.html
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squistion said:
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In addition to clearing his criminal record, Trump's pardon for ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik cancels out $103,300 he still owes the IRS as part of his tax fraud conviction, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan tells NYDailyNews.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-blagojevich-kerik-milken-20200218-lmwe5t43rzhwrhe2uuul5uvvje-story.html
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Regardless of politics this isn't right.  He should at least have the pay what he owes.  

 
The General said:
Kidding right? They love it!

Some samplings:

“Obama pardoned way more”

”These guys don’t live in DC so it’s not part of the DC swamp”

Got to be shtick :lol:
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What I gather from right wing radio this morning the official party line is "he served 8 years, he was punished enough". 

I'm going to blast the hell out of my calves in the next Zumba class coming up.  KA-POW! 

 
I'd like to think that attempting to sell a Senete seat would carry a life sentence. To align with pardoning this behavior is about as close as one can get to rejecting the rule of law and supporting treason.   

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.
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I'm sure you know this but this obviously misses the point. Nobody is complaining that Trump has pardoned or commuted sentences. Its who and for what reason he does this that has been called into question.

Comparing him to Obama by numbers is silly. Most of the people Obama pardoned or commuted sentences for were drug offenders.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.
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Most of these presidential pardons were issued just before the President left office. (For example, Obama only pardoned 22 people in his entire first term -- so Trump has already exceeded him on that count.) We can revisit your whataboutism again in January.

 
whoknew said:
 Its who and for what reason he does this that has been called into question.
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i would also add "how."  Obama had a office that was in charge of identifying people that deserved pardons or clemency, that would consider the various pros and cons of taking action, and provided appropriate information to the President so he could make a well-reasoned decision.

Trump's methods are a bit less orthodox.

 
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Bozeman Bruiser said:
Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.
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And do mere numbers or frequency answer all concerns for you or do the quality of the applications, the consideration given, the vetting done, and the justice sought, not political advantage but justice sought, do they factor in?

 
Bovada has odds

Who Will Donald Trump Pardon in 2020?

Manfort +175

Flynn +220

Martha Stewart +250

Stone +275

Suge Knight +350 :lmao:

Rudy G +550

Brendan Dassy +1000

Phil Spector +1000 :mellow:
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I like all of his criminal friends here not the 2020 time limit.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.
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I think presidential pardons should be rare and only in cases of extreme injustice.  I don't agree with most of those granted by Obama and think he was wrong in many cases for doing so.

But my question to you is: did you agree with previous presidents exercising the power of pardons on the majority of cases?  If not then do you feel the people that Trump just pardoned should have been?

Regardless of what other presidents did the question should be whether these pardons were given to people that suffered a gross miscarriage of justice.  If you believe so then great, if not then say so but not with the "look what Obama did" response.  It is okay to disagree with the President once in a while.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Honestly, I approve of the restraint in quantity.

The problem is the Marc Rich like quality - the avoidance of process, the selling to corrupt, nasty insiders - but also the Nixonian quality of undermining the rule of law and protecting those close to Trump.
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Clinton pardoned his brother, campaign contributors, a child rapist, political allies, terrorists...

Rich alone had $48M in taxes waived.

Some of you guys have serious selective memory issues.

 
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jonessed said:
Clinton pardoned his brother, campaign contributors, a child rapist, political allies, terrorists...

Rich alone had $48M in taxes waived.

Some of you guys have serious selective memory issues.
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Eh, Trump has 2 of those already.

My point about Marc Rich is: 1. campaign contributor, 2. doing it outside the DOJ attorney review process.

 
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