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How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?

 
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Fair question. You'd figure they would have private investigators following him 24/7 before handing him that contract.

 
A fantastic question that I doubt we ever get a real answer to.

I think part of it has to do with them thinking they can fix or save anyone, and that has worked for them in the past. Another is probably that they know their "dynasty" window is closing... rapidly. Brady isn't getting any younger and they already lost several other weapons.

Everyone makes mistakes. Most of us just don't make 41m dollar mistakes.

 
Hard to predict this IMO. I'm sure they knew the crowd he was running with. I'm sure they knew the risk of a weed suspension, or a bar fight, maybe a gun charge. And in today's NFL that stuff is a pretty good risk to take IMO -- tons of criminals suiting up every week.

This case is just so bizarre that it's almost hard to believe even now. Hard to see how anyone could have seen this coming.

 
Hard to predict this IMO. I'm sure they knew the crowd he was running with. I'm sure they knew the risk of a weed suspension, or a bar fight, maybe a gun charge. And in today's NFL that stuff is a pretty good risk to take IMO -- tons of criminals suiting up every week.

This case is just so bizarre that it's almost hard to believe even now. Hard to see how anyone could have seen this coming.
Agreed. Probably had some idea he was still hanging with the bad crowd, but I bet a ton of NFL players are. No way of predicting that he would be stupid enough to murder a person, or people.

 
They probably figured if anything bad like this happened, it would be easy to recoop their money. I'm sure this violates most of the contract and they'll be able to get a lot of bonus money back.

 
They probably figured if anything bad like this happened, it would be easy to recoop their money. I'm sure this violates most of the contract and they'll be able to get a lot of bonus money back.
I thought that it was reported that they actually screwed up this contract and weren't going to be able to. Is that accurate?

 
I'll take a stab at an answer.

After so many years of football excellence, they started to believe that they actually had a midas touch. That there moves could never backfire on them. I think that was the case as well when they decided to effectively trade Welker for Amendola in a sabremetrics based decision. Ironic that they got bit based on their own arrogance that they were the smartest people in the room, and then have a player go down under his own delusions of being above the law.

 
They probably figured if anything bad like this happened, it would be easy to recoop their money. I'm sure this violates most of the contract and they'll be able to get a lot of bonus money back.
I thought that it was reported that they actually screwed up this contract and weren't going to be able to. Is that accurate?
I've heard they cannot go after the signing bonus as well.

 
Maybe its that the 'thug life' and representing yourself as a 'thug' has become so ingrained in our culture over the last 20-25 years that its become very difficult to discern the fashionably thuggish from the actual thug anymore.

 
I think most of the heavy duty incidents occurred AFTER he signed the extension. It seems like once AH got his big payday, he went back to his bad ways once the money was already in the bank.

 
It's a little unfair to expect an oranization, even the best in the sport, to have omniscience. Kind of hard to predict. Not everyone with tattoos murders people.

 
I'll take a stab at an answer.

After so many years of football excellence, they started to believe that they actually had a midas touch. That there moves could never backfire on them
They whiffed on tons of draft picks and free agents, GB.
Yep. The awesomeness of Tom Brady, combined with their division not being very good, is largely why they continue to win 11-13 games every year, but their many misses is why they haven't won a Super Bowl in nearly a decade now. Belichick is a good enough coach to where he can usually get the best out of average players, but lack of playmakers on defense has really bitten them in recent years.

 
Sure seems Matt Light had an idea. You would think others in the org knew. Maybe they didn't want to disrespect Aaron in fear of retalliation so it didn't get upstairs. Who knows, but a very good question I wondered about

 
It's a little unfair to expect an oranization, even the best in the sport, to have omniscience. Kind of hard to predict. Not everyone with tattoos murders people.
31 other teams passed on him for multiple rounds due to character concerns.

The Pats didn't need to have omniscience, they just needed the same level of common sense shown by even the Raiders.

 
This question was being asked on the radio this morning. Along with the fact that Herndandez probably killed two people a month before signing this contract.

The Pats knew the character of the guy they were getting, and didn't care.

 
Sure seems Matt Light had an idea. You would think others in the org knew. Maybe they didn't want to disrespect Aaron in fear of retalliation so it didn't get upstairs. Who knows, but a very good question I wondered about
Expand on the Matt Light thing? Haven't heard about that.

 
Sure seems Matt Light had an idea. You would think others in the org knew. Maybe they didn't want to disrespect Aaron in fear of retalliation so it didn't get upstairs. Who knows, but a very good question I wondered about
Expand on the Matt Light thing? Haven't heard about that.
"I never talk about other guys, but I will say I have never embraced -- never believed in -- anything Aaron Hernandez stood for," Light said, via the Dayton Daily News.

 
How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
looooooooool....no wonder this board is the way it is

 
I'll take a stab at an answer.

After so many years of football excellence, they started to believe that they actually had a midas touch. That there moves could never backfire on them. I think that was the case as well when they decided to effectively trade Welker for Amendola in a sabremetrics based decision. Ironic that they got bit based on their own arrogance that they were the smartest people in the room, and then have a player go down under his own delusions of being above the law.
I'm not saying this as a dig -- and I mean that.

but, some of the people posting on this board are really, really nutty.

 
How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
looooooooool....no wonder this board is the way it is
I don't get it.

Laugh out out out out out out out out out out loud?

Seems repetitive.

 
It's a little unfair to expect an oranization, even the best in the sport, to have omniscience. Kind of hard to predict. Not everyone with tattoos murders people.
31 other teams passed on him for multiple rounds due to character concerns.

The Pats didn't need to have omniscience, they just needed the same level of common sense shown by even the Raiders.
yeah, those guys passed on brady for 6 rounds

 
How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
Maybe the same reason the police didn't uncover this criminal life.

 
How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
looooooooool....no wonder this board is the way it is
I don't get it.

Laugh out out out out out out out out out out loud?

Seems repetitive.
it's like lol but for a longer period of time -- similar to hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! instead of ha

you can also do LOL for a louder lol, lolololol which is similar to above looooool, LOL for a more emphatic lol, or kik I'm laughing so hard my fingers slipped off the keys

 
I'll take a stab at an answer.

After so many years of football excellence, they started to believe that they actually had a midas touch. That there moves could never backfire on them. I think that was the case as well when they decided to effectively trade Welker for Amendola in a sabremetrics based decision. Ironic that they got bit based on their own arrogance that they were the smartest people in the room, and then have a player go down under his own delusions of being above the law.
Please don't take any personal offense, but this sort of garbage makes me smack my forehead in disbelief that people can actually believe that a corporation worth gobs and gobs of money would make decisions based on a "Midas touch". What total BS this is. This is just Pats hate manifested as a ridiculous theory. The reason he got the contract he got is mind-blowingly simple. He had them fooled just like he had YOU and ME fooled. Have you ever successfully kept information from your employer? It's not the zaniest idea in the world to imagine it's possible. They thought his past was in the past, it wasn't. Mistake made, lesson learned. Feel free to put it into your "I hate the Pats" jealousy bank if you want, but the mere fact that they were willing to take such a huge cap hit to rid themselves of this guy speaks a lot to their credibility as a franchise and a company.
 
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How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
looooooooool....no wonder this board is the way it is
I don't get it.

Laugh out out out out out out out out out out loud?

Seems repetitive.
it's like lol but for a longer period of time -- similar to hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! instead of ha

you can also do LOL for a louder lol, lolololol which is similar to above looooool, LOL for a more emphatic lol, or kik I'm laughing so hard my fingers slipped off the keys
Thanks man. Gonna try some of those out when I'm in a chat room trying to lure in Homer.

 
Feel free to put it into your "I hate the Pats" jealousy bank if you want, but the mere fact that they were willing to take such a huge cap hit to rid themselves of this guy speaks a lot to their credibility as a franchise and a company.
Does it really? What were their other options?

 
Calculated risk. Didn't pay off. Simple as that. Thug or no, the odds you get busted for murder are pretty low. They rolled snake-eyes on this one.

 
I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...

 
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"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" - but apparently the hoodie doesn't.

 
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I wonder how many resources teams use to keep tabs on current players. They do their due diligence before the draft, they drafted Hernandez, and he was, as far as any of us knew, a model citizen until 10 days ago.

I don't ever recall any questions about his character, with the Pats, or even him being a loner, who didn't hang out with the rest of the team.

They probably figure that he was around coaches and teammates so much, if there was a problem, they'd know about it.

 
I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...
This is a really good post.

I am not trying to rip on the Pats here at all.

Here is my subjective take:

BB is probably the best coach in football. In fact, it might not even be close. Even the haters know his ability to game-plan week to week and put his players in positions to win is second to none. It's also clear to me that BB is very good at coaching his coaches to be successful. Many have bombed as they left, but under BB they were all applauded.

We have all worked at places where there was that one guy. Sometimes it can even be you. He does the work of 4-5 people. The whole machine goes because of that guy. Many step up because they see how hard BB works for them to succeed. It becomes a culture of winning and many buy in to make the organization top notch.

In my mind, BB is that guy who does the work of many. He is such a good coach that he plugs tons of holes in what is likely an average (or worse) front office. But because he is doing at least 3-4 roles on this team, the one he clearly has no time for is knowing if his players are thugs, etc. He knows them as football players. He trusts his front office to figure the rest out. I am sure he evaluates guys and has comments on their football skills/worth, but once they are signed he coaches them to be the best they can be.

The front office failed big here. They have also been failing pretty badly in the NFL Draft despite record number of picks each year. In my opinion, they have not earned a pass. For me though, BB gets a pass. He is the coach and already doing the work of many.

 
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How can an organization with supposedly one of the best front offices in the business, sign him to a $41M contract?

I can understand them taking him in the 4th round in the NFL Draft. Most scouts graded him as a 2nd-round talent with off-field concerns.

But this is the Patriots. They never pay people their worth. They usually have 10 back up strategies on speed dial should their veteran not resign for cheap.

How in the world did this organization NOT uncover that Hernandez was still living the life of a criminal?
The "Patriot Way" is dead. There have been signs of this ship sinking for some time now imo. They haven't done well in the draft in recent, their defense has been horrible despite multiple picks being spent on it. Funny thing is EVERY year the "draft experts" have loved every draft and they bomb year after year.

 
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31 other teams passed on him for multiple rounds due to character concerns.

The Pats didn't need to have omniscience, they just needed the same level of common sense shown by even the Raiders.
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

I didn't hear anybody criticizing The Patriots when they drafted him, or when they gave him the contract, or when Hernandez helpled his team get to the Super Bowl. I think it's unfair to criticize after the fact. The Patriots aren't the only team who takes chances on players like Hernandez.

 
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I think AH fooled them. A lot of this stuff did not occur or resurface until after he got paid.

They felt compelled to cash in before his value rose through the roof, and I am sure his buddies latched ontighter once AH got paid.

Hard to change your stripes when you are a zebra. it's even harder when you have some power.....and he had 41 million reasons for that power.

 
I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...
Is it possible they didn't know Aaron's wherabout's every second of the day? Yes, it is. Maybe they just treated him like an adult.

There are hundreds of guys in the NFL with 'character' concerns. Some of them get big contracts. How in the hell were the Patriots supposed to know this paticular knuckle-head would allegedly murder somebody?

 
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I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...
This is a really good post.

I am not trying to rip on the Pats here at all.
all I'm saying i sall the people asking this unasked question were the same people talking about how great the pats front office is for locking hernandez up long term with a steal of a deal.

few months later oj turns into jack the ripper and now they were fools for not seeing it coming.

it gets a little ridiculous.

you are in the prognostication business -- or the business of selling it, anyway, so post up your predictions of the next 3 athletes/celebs of note who get nabbed for multiple murders.

 
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I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...
Is it possible they didn't know Aaron's wherabout's every second of the day? Yes, it is. Maybe they just treated him like an adult.

They're are hundreds of guys in the NFL with 'character' concerns. Some of them get big contracts. How in the hell were the Patriots supposed to know this paticular knuckle-head would allegedly murder somebody?
Maybe you are not keeping up on the info that is coming out...this is not a good person and hasn't been for awhile...we're not talking about DUI's or strip-club nonsense...we're talking about legit gang-ties...not saying they should know he was going to kill someone...that's being a Monday morning QB...I am saying that this appears to be a guy that you don't give 40 mil to after you have had under your watch for 2+ years...

 
I think this issue will be the most difficult one BB and the organization has faced...it's very obvious that Hernandez is a bad guy and has been one for awhile...drafting him is one thing...teams roll the dice on "character issues" all the time...it's just a fact of life in pro sports today...the contract extension is a totally different issue...right now it appears only two things could have occurred...one, the Pats security/intelligence (or whatever you want to call it) totally whiffed on the gravity of Hernandez's thuggishness...for a team that dots every I and crosses every T I find that really hard to believe...so does that mean that the Pats were willing to give out big money to a guy that appears to have gang ties and has a lot of bad stuff going on around him...if he's out in Boston hanging with hoods there is absolutely no way the Pats would not know about this...Boston/Eastern Mass is a very close-knit community and these secrets are not easy to keep...especially on a very high profile player...BB likes to keep the media at bay and that strategy often makes a lot of sense regardless of how frustrating it can be...yet, there is absolutely no way that "no comments" or podium shrugs will suffice here...as a fan I want to know how you can let a good soldier like Welker walk for low money (or bench him for foot jokes) yet can give a big contract to what right now appears to be a murderer who was keeping company with some very, very bad people...sorry but Hernandez just did not turn into a bad guy 10 days ago and the Pats need to answer why they did not have better info or why they ignored the info they had...
Is it possible they didn't know Aaron's wherabout's every second of the day? Yes, it is. Maybe they just treated him like an adult.

They're are hundreds of guys in the NFL with 'character' concerns. Some of them get big contracts. How in the hell were the Patriots supposed to know this paticular knuckle-head would allegedly murder somebody?
Maybe you are not keeping up on the info that is coming out...this is not a good person and hasn't been for awhile...we're not talking about DUI's or strip-club nonsense...we're talking about legit gang-ties...not saying they should know he was going to kill someone...that's being a Monday morning QB...I am saying that this appears to be a guy that you don't give 40 mil to after you have had under your watch for 2+ years...
and you're saying it after he murders somebody, when I guarantee a few months ago you thought it was a steal for the pats.

list up here all other players in the nfl who hang with seedy riffraff and gang members -- or are you just going to wait for them to murder somebody and it gets blasted all over the news?

 
Combination of overconfidence and poor risk management.

Overconfidence - some previous posters already touched upon the fact that the Patriots got a lot of production from questionable characters in the recent past. At some point, you begin to think you are indeed able to control those situations better than other teams. Like, you have what it takes to keep potential criminals off major trouble at least for the duration of your contract with them. It's like driving above the speed limit. You usually get away with it, so you become overconfident until it backfires once.

Poor risk management - the biggest challenge for risk management functions in business is the identification of all relevant risk. The Patriots are no exception. They probably did not identify 'becoming a serial killer' as a true risk. I doubt they even considered such a scenario - AH was fairly trouble-free on the surface. So they probably considered his bad connections, but determined the worst-case scenarios to be stuff that comes with a six-months prison term or so.

Neither of two negligences are too shocking or not understandable. We all get cocky and underestimate risks in life.

 

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