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The recall of Gavin Newsom (1 Viewer)

What a drag it is to see that red thing at the top of the screen, see myself quoted, and then not even have the "great people on both sides" quote addressed. Instead, we get wild deflections and unsound premises. Trump's courting of white power organizations and proto-fascist idiots is the issue here. There were many occasions the President could have called for an end to white power infiltrations or distanced himself from white power voting blocs and he didn't. One can assume why, either from bad faith or simple expediency, but the result is the same.


Well, I actually did respond to that.  You took a quote that Trump said directly at the Proud Boys and called them a White supremacist organization (or implied that).  In my post I literally called them thugs and malcontents.  And also in my OP I said that I agree with everything you said except that one point about calling them a racist organization. 

You've fallen into media trap - repeat the lie long enough and soon people will believe it's true.  I do not believe they are a racist organization because they have minorities in their leadership and members.  Are they thugs and malcontents?  Sure.

So, I guess I'm not sure who is deflecting here.  :shrug:

 
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Two of Newsom children test positive for Covid. If it is determined that his anti mask behavior was a contributing factor, should they be eligible for medical care?

 
Really not sure why you’re being a #### about this. I said in my statement I believed you I just hadn’t seen it yet. And I’m not a Newsom defender or fan. Take this #### somewhere else. 
But this is sort of the Newsom thread. I know it started as just his recall but I'm not going to start a new thread every time he does something dumb. I'm not an anarchist.

 
But this is sort of the Newsom thread. I know it started as just his recall but I'm not going to start a new thread every time he does something dumb. I'm not an anarchist.
I’m not saying you should. But why you’re recalling a quote from over a week ago where I asked you about your post I don’t know.  Feels like your trying to prove some point or something.  As I said I wasn’t questioning you I just hadn’t seen it. I’ve made it very clear in this thread I am not a fan of Newsom. So I’m really not sure why you’re coming at me. 

 
I’m not saying you should. But why you’re recalling a quote from over a week ago where I asked you about your post I don’t know.  Feels like your trying to prove some point or something.  As I said I wasn’t questioning you I just hadn’t seen it. I’ve made it very clear in this thread I am not a fan of Newsom. So I’m really not sure why you’re coming at me. 
You're overthinking it. I came in to post about the toy aisle mandate and saw the old stuff and added a  :pokey: for giggles.

I sometimes don't post links to highlight the shortcomings of MSM is all. I have to read very lightly because the of the moderation and I don't need another timeout.

 
You're overthinking it. I came in to post about the toy aisle mandate and saw the old stuff and added a  :pokey: for giggles.

I sometimes don't post links to highlight the shortcomings of MSM is all. I have to read very lightly because the of the moderation and I don't need another timeout.
I’m not overthinking it. You took a jab at me, for what reason I don’t know. Had I been a guy who defended Gavin I completely understand it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

In regards to the aisle in the kids section, it’s GD ridiculous. I hate it. 

 
Vax mandates for children who are barely impacted by covid. Disgusting 


Newsom is going to eventually run for POTUS. ( He won't hang around to get voted out naturally) He's creating a media optics counter narrative to Ron De Santis regarding COVID19. That's it, that's all this is about.

Doesn't matter who dies, who suffers, who it costs and who gets squeezed between the sides like D'Angelo Barksdale, it's all just carnage for his personal political career and to keep "Auntie" Pelosi happy.

 
Newsom is going to eventually run for POTUS. ( He won't hang around to get voted out naturally) He's creating a media optics counter narrative to Ron De Santis regarding COVID19. That's it, that's all this is about.

Doesn't matter who dies, who suffers, who it costs and who gets squeezed between the sides like D'Angelo Barksdale, it's all just carnage for his personal political career and to keep "Auntie" Pelosi happy.
As he didn’t get recalled how’s that prep for the world economy collapsing and all the children of the world starving going for ya?….. 

Elder will open up the California economy all the way to the hilt.

Newsom won't. He was only shown to buckle based on the recall threat.

Newsom believes he can one day win POTUS. In order to do that, he needs his death count low from COVID19. That's hard to do with 40 million plus people in the entire state. Newsom will drag the entire world economy into the ground ( CA is the 5th largest and everything that happens here impacts every living person on the planet) on the 1 percent chance that his own delusions have fabricated to a stone cold lock.

Take partisan politics out of all this. The next time you go to the grocery store, ask yourself how the food actually gets there. What mechanisms and logistics need to happen to get that food and essentials into a store and at some type of cost/price control and in enough abundance to not terrify people into panic.

California's economy collapses, the American economy collapses, then the world economy collapses, and we all die. Your children, all of your children will die first. Children are not built to handle starvation.

Doesn't matter who or why, the American economy needs to fully open back up again. If it means every business needs to look like a BSL 4 and everyone is donning Haz Mat suits and you can see Dustin Hoffman and Cuba Gooding Jr chasing a monkey around with a dart gun, so be it. People starving to death is bi partisan. Children crying at night because they are hungry is bipartisan. Getting shot down in the street because someone thinks you have a granola bar on you while everyone is starving is bi partisan.

When a large scale economy collapses, what happens? Law and order and essential services disappear. Many of you have daughters and sisters and wives and nieces. What do you think happens to them in a lawless society? Look at the Southern Border and look at 11 and 12 year old girls in Afghanistan now, what do you think will happen and is happening to them?

Many of you believe you are thoughtful, rational, sane and productive members of this society. Try going for a few weeks without food and being truly "food insecure" to the point where you can't explain to your wife and kids when and where their next meal will come. See how thoughtful and sane and rational and productive you become then.

Pick the person who will open up the economy. Some will shout, "What about COVID19!"  OK, sorry to say it, but what about it. Some can die, tragically so, or we can all die.

It doesn't have to be Elder, it could even be another Democrat besides Newsom who will say he plans to open up the economy in California. But wait! Nancy Pelosi openly threatened anyone on the left side of the aisle who will run. If Newsom survives, he will lock down CA again at some point. He let people burn alive from PG&E fires for blood money, so I have no doubt he'll let 40 plus million people suffer for a talking point in a political career he doesn't realize is already DOA. Wait, he won't let his own Plumpjack businesses nor Hollywood rot, because as we all know, that's (D)ifferent.

If Newsom said, I'm going to fully open up the CA economy and that's it, no more changes and I'll put it in writing in an gubernatorial executive order, then that's one pathway. But he won't.

Children starving to death is not partisan. It happens all over the world. I think some of you might not really get what's happening here until it's your own children crying at night for milk and bread.

Some Americans can die, or we all perish. Now some of the radical woke lefties will scream out, "That's not fair!"  You are right. It's not fair. But since when has Mother Nature been fair? This is ultimately a Mother Nature problem, not just a political one.

Mother Nature is coming for your children. Some of you, not all, but many are opening the door for her and welcoming her in.

 
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Newsom is going to eventually run for POTUS. ( He won't hang around to get voted out naturally) He's creating a media optics counter narrative to Ron De Santis regarding COVID19. That's it, that's all this is about.

Doesn't matter who dies, who suffers, who it costs and who gets squeezed between the sides like D'Angelo Barksdale, it's all just carnage for his personal political career and to keep "Auntie" Pelosi happy.
I don’t see Newsom running in 2024.  His image nationally is tarnished and believe the country realizes California model has serious warts.  

 
Depends on how big of a lawn you have.  
Sure, if you’re talking about acres of land.  But I’ve got a big backyard (by Cali standards), side yard and front yard.  Have no issues at all and have no maintenance on the mower.  It’s crazy convenient. 

 
Sure, if you’re talking about acres of land.  But I’ve got a big backyard (by Cali standards), side yard and front yard.  Have no issues at all and have no maintenance on the mower.  It’s crazy convenient. 
Just saying one policy doesn’t fit all.  I agree with you but certain areas of California will have a problem..

 
Just saying one policy doesn’t fit all.  I agree with you but certain areas of California will have a problem..
I haven’t paid to much attention to the new law but I’d imagine it boils down to what is defined as “small gas equipment”. If that includes the personal riding mowers that those with any real land have I’d agree. If its the typical hand pushed mower then I don’t see much of an issue.  

 
No.

Support something without mandating it.

Oppose something without outlawing it.
Generally I agree with the mindset of your post. But in regards to this I believe we are influencing climate change and this seems like a change that make sense as far as I understand the mandate.  Though as I said I have not studied it fully so it could be more involved then I what little I’ve read. 

 
Generally I agree with the mindset of your post. But in regards to this I believe we are influencing climate change and this seems like a change that make sense as far as I understand the mandate.  Though as I said I have not studied it fully so it could be more involved then I what little I’ve read. 
It's really no different than when they phased out leaded gas.   There are viable alternatives, so they will slowly phase out the gas-powered relics.

 
I made the switch to an electric lawn mower a few years ago and love it. 1/3 of an acre in NY. Super light, no maintenance, and in the winter I can basically fold it up (no worry about oil leaking) and it takes no more room in my shed than a suitcase. 

I wouldn't have a problem with a mandate for homeowners. However this will be a huge problem for landscapers and I could be on board with allowing them to use gas powered mowers until the charging technology becomes better. I just read a stat in the LA times that it "a three-person landscaping crew will need to carry 30 to 40 fully charged batteries to power its equipment during a full day’s work."  at roughly $250 (on the cheap side) a battery, thats a huge cost for a small business, not to mention the cost (and energy production waste) to charge them.

Plus, landscapers around here, use huge 60+ inch mowers in order to cut down (no pun intended) on time spent per yard. IDK if I've ever seen a battery powered mower larger then the typical homeowner sized. So unless they come out with something that large, landscapers would need to hire more people or do less yards in a day. 

While the mower is great, I have the backpack blower too and its not that powerful. I kept my gas backpack for the fall when I need to do heavy leaf pick up, and only use the battery one for little stuff in the summer. 

 
Generally I agree with the mindset of your post. But in regards to this I believe we are influencing climate change and this seems like a change that make sense as far as I understand the mandate.  Though as I said I have not studied it fully so it could be more involved then I what little I’ve read. 
Agreed but I just don't think he's impacting a thing. He's virtue signaling and making Californians miserable. I look forward to the inevitable reports exposing those who support this are in violation of their own rules. 

 
I could get by with my battery backpack blower, but I already had a gas one so I kept it for the season when leaves were heavier. 

overall, if you want to reduce emissions, I could see the mandate for homeowners, the equipment is out there. But I don't see it being feasible for landscapers. Overall I dont have an issue with simple mandates, but full sweeping mandates like this seem very short sighted. 

 
Agreed but I just don't think he's impacting a thing. He's virtue signaling and making Californians miserable. I look forward to the inevitable reports exposing those who support this are in violation of their own rules. 
As I live here I’d say “miserable” is quite the overstatement. But there’s no question he’s passing some head shaking things. 

 
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this ban is going be very unpopular in sections of the state affected by PSPS since it includes gas-powered generators.

it's one thing to inconvenience individuals who've shelled out $500-$1500 to have power in their residence and keep their refrigerator running. it's quite another to tell businesses to pound sand, after they've spent tens of thousands of dollars to keep the lights on and doors open, when PG&E flips the switch as the wind picks up. 

 
this ban is going be very unpopular in sections of the state affected by PSPS since it includes gas-powered generators.

it's one thing to inconvenience individuals who've shelled out $500-$1500 to have power in their residence and keep their refrigerator running. it's quite another to tell businesses to pound sand, after they've spent tens of thousands of dollars to keep the lights on and doors open, when PG&E flips the switch as the wind picks up. 
The generator angle certainly seems quite tone deaf.  

 

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