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***The rookie hype has begun*** (1 Viewer)

Trying to move into the top 3 in a ZF league.

Guy with 1.01 needs RB bad. Says he won't deal until after the NFL draft and might consider something involving DeAngelo and picks then. Not sure if that's going to be worth pursuing or not.

Guy with 1.02 also needs RB bad, and isn't considering offers at this time. Probably not going to get something done here.

Guy with 1.03 hasn't given it any thought, but isn't opposed to trading in the right deal. I offered 1.06 and 1.12 and have not heard back.

I have the 1.01 in a different ZF league and declined an offer of 1.07 and 1.09. With Rudi, Caddy and DeAngelo already rostered, I could probably afford to move down but I'll wait and see how things look after the combines. I'm pretty sure I can get a deal at least this good later on.

 
You guys calling Brady average are :rolleyes: I am not even going to bother arguing with your assinine comments like Brady = Aikman. You need to go back to school guys.
For the record, I did not call him average. I called him an average QB1. This is true. In a 12 team start 1 QB league, his numbers are average for most teams QB1. I also said that he was worth more than that because he is consistent, so you only have to tie up one roster spot in him, and can count on him for several years. That is a bonus.
Yes I understand your position on Brady. I do not want to hijack the thread on this point. If people want to talk about Bradys value in dynasty we can start another thread for that.
You're the one that brought specific players into the discussion. How is someone supposed to evaluate the equity of a potential trade that you started without debating the strengths of the players involved?
 
Biabreakable said:
You guys calling Brady average are :lmao: I am not even going to bother arguing with your assinine comments like Brady = Aikman. You need to go back to school guys.
For the record, I did not call him average. I called him an average QB1. This is true. In a 12 team start 1 QB league, his numbers are average for most teams QB1. I also said that he was worth more than that because he is consistent, so you only have to tie up one roster spot in him, and can count on him for several years. That is a bonus.
Yes I understand your position on Brady. I do not want to hijack the thread on this point. If people want to talk about Bradys value in dynasty we can start another thread for that.
You're the one that brought specific players into the discussion. How is someone supposed to evaluate the equity of a potential trade that you started without debating the strengths of the players involved?
Not the point of this thread. I am sure you can read. I am updating all offers that have been made involving the top 3 rookie picks that seem to be the top tier of rookie picks with a large drop off this year. This post is not about me nor did I originaly intend it to be.
Yeah, I can read. Did you read my first post in your thread? This is a meaningless exercise if you're trying to draw any kind of conclusion across different types of dynasty leagues. League roster sizes, scoring, lineup requirements, etc. dramatically affect player values. If this was strictly a Zealots dynasty league thread, then it would have some merit.
 
Biabreakable said:
You guys calling Brady average are :thumbup: I am not even going to bother arguing with your assinine comments like Brady = Aikman. You need to go back to school guys.
For the record, I did not call him average. I called him an average QB1. This is true. In a 12 team start 1 QB league, his numbers are average for most teams QB1. I also said that he was worth more than that because he is consistent, so you only have to tie up one roster spot in him, and can count on him for several years. That is a bonus.
Yes I understand your position on Brady. I do not want to hijack the thread on this point. If people want to talk about Bradys value in dynasty we can start another thread for that.
You're the one that brought specific players into the discussion. How is someone supposed to evaluate the equity of a potential trade that you started without debating the strengths of the players involved?
Not the point of this thread. I am sure you can read. I am updating all offers that have been made involving the top 3 rookie picks that seem to be the top tier of rookie picks with a large drop off this year. This post is not about me nor did I originaly intend it to be.
That is a bunch of crap. This thread has been about your opinions and derision of others from the start. In your first post, which you have since editted you talked about laughing so hard about the offers and that they were amusing. You weren't just conveying information, you were making judgments- your original uneditted post complete with laughing smilies mocking offers is in post 10.So to be clear, you think it is OK for you to call others assinine or crazy for their opinions about specific players dynasty worth in the thread. It they defend their position without name calling- you say that is not the point of the thread.
 
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Peterson was recently voted the #17 RB in dynasty leagues. According to these polls, he (or the 1.01) has about the same value of McGahee, Jones-Drew or Caddy.
I disagree with the poll results. I happen to think Peterson is a top 10 RB and probably worth as much, or more than, any rb no named: LT, LJ, SJax, Portis, Alexander, Bush (in ppr), and Westbrook.
Right now I'd say Peterson is on par with McGahee. Pure talentwise, they're roughly equal. Peterson's value may climb on New Year's Day but today, as he hasn't shown he's back to 100% yet, I'd call them equal.

I won it all and have the 1.02 pick also. I have not put a value on it yet. If a get a really good player for it i may trade it. Although i really like M Lynch. First i have to shop L Jordan first. That wont be easy :cry:

I have LJ,Westy and Parker as starters

I may offer it for MJD. His team needs alot of help. Use MJD as a flex
:) I'm in a week 17 SB (probably will lose, but never know) with LT, McGahee, Tiki (soon retired, right?) and 1.01. I won't be dealing Peterson. Almost guaranteed. 1.02 for MJD seems about right. Good luck shopping Jordan. His value is somewhere slightly above Chris Perry right now.

 
FWIW, these feelers aren't all that bad IMO:

Javon Walker for pick 1.02 Campbell, Jason WAS QB;Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB;Johnson, Keyshawn CAR WRBell, Mike DEN RB;Bruce, Isaac STL WR;Schweigert, Stuart OAK S pick 1.02 for Wayne, Reggie IND WR;Dawkins, Brian PHI S Bell, Mike DEN RB;Henry, Chris CIN WR pick 1.02 for Holt, Torry STL WR;Crowder, Channing MIA LB 4th round pick 07.TO for 1.03Qb Tony Romo Hines Ward and pick 2.05 for pick 1.01Anyone else sent out feelers for these picks yet? What were the replies?
As much as I like Walker, getting CJ, Jacobs and Campbell is a pretty good deal. Some of those are the types I may jump at:
Picks 1.06 and 1.12 for 1.03Picks 1.07 and 1.09 for 1.01Qb Tony Romo and TO for pick 1.01DeAngelo Williams for pick 1.01 or 1.02
As for the 1.01, be prepared to "overpay" for the upside.
 
My original point was that it could be a more beneficial thread if you have people who are posting either accepted/rejected trade proposals to also qualify that with a brief explanation of what kind of dynasty league it is. This is done all of the time in similar threads when evaluating talent and trade proposals. My intent was never to hijack the thread, but to make a couple suggestions to make it more useful.

 
Biabreakable said:
You guys calling Brady average are :crazy: I am not even going to bother arguing with your assinine comments like Brady = Aikman. You need to go back to school guys.
For the record, I did not call him average. I called him an average QB1. This is true. In a 12 team start 1 QB league, his numbers are average for most teams QB1. I also said that he was worth more than that because he is consistent, so you only have to tie up one roster spot in him, and can count on him for several years. That is a bonus.
Yes I understand your position on Brady. I do not want to hijack the thread on this point. If people want to talk about Bradys value in dynasty we can start another thread for that.
You're the one that brought specific players into the discussion. How is someone supposed to evaluate the equity of a potential trade that you started without debating the strengths of the players involved?
Not the point of this thread. I am sure you can read. I am updating all offers that have been made involving the top 3 rookie picks that seem to be the top tier of rookie picks with a large drop off this year. This post is not about me nor did I originaly intend it to be.
That is a bunch of crap. This thread has been about your opinions and derision of others from the start. In your first post, which you have since editted you talked about laughing so hard about the offers and that they were amusing. You weren't just conveying information, you were making judgments- your original uneditted post complete with laughing smilies mocking offers is in post 10.So to be clear, you think it is OK for you to call others assinine or crazy for their opinions about specific players dynasty worth in the thread. It they defend their position without name calling- you say that is not the point of the thread.
:goodposting:
 
Someone offered me Darrell Jackson straight up for pick 1.01
You were also offered Romo and TO or Romo and Ward and a 2nd round pick and you don't counter, don't respond in any way at all...Maybe that is the reason you get the #1 pick in our league year after year...Your strategy of loading up on stud RBs and ignoring the rest of your team is not working...12-41 over the last 4 years should give you a hint that you need to look in a different direction...
You were very quick to pull that offer off the table. Offered it one morning and the next night it was gone.
 
Who are the early favorites for the top three picks?
Adrian Peterson, RB, OklahomaMarshawn Lynch, RB, CaliforniaCalvin Johnson, WR, Georgia TechI don't expect this to change between now and the summer.If you want to get any of these picks from their owners, my advice is to create a large package of useful players - say 3-4 ranked somewhere between 50-100 at need positions. Don't shy away from giving up youth either, or tossing in your later first this year - the dropoff is steep.
Very interesting. I'm starting to see it the same way.AP 1.01 in most drafts.Lynch/Calvin are a toss up for 2/3.After that, it's dicey. I'm tempted to offer Chad Johnson for the 2nd and 3rd overall pick in our dynasty ppr rookie draft. Calvin/Lynch. Lynch makes up the gap between Chad and Calvin. Beyond pick 01/02/03, I don't see lots of value. If you're at 4, can get 2 picks for moving down, you'd eat that up. I just don't see a #4 that's going to get people drooling.
 
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billyjoe said:
Beyond pick 01/02/03, I don't see lots of value. If you're at 4, can get 2 picks for moving down, you'd eat that up. I just don't see a #4 that's going to get people drooling.
Jarrett will garner a lot of interest. I am now sold.
 
billyjoe said:
Beyond pick 01/02/03, I don't see lots of value. If you're at 4, can get 2 picks for moving down, you'd eat that up. I just don't see a #4 that's going to get people drooling.
Jarrett will garner a lot of interest. I am now sold.
OZ makes a good point. As things pogress, the owners at 1.04 through 1.06 will have interest in their pick. Why? Since there is no consensus player at each of those spots, different owners will have a certain player they love, and not the others. That player could be Jarrett, could be Quinn, Hunt, or Ginn, or other. But, I see different fantasy owners as liking one or two of those players and not the rest. I like Jarrett best of those and not a ton of interest yet in the other three. But, I know others that love Ginn. Others will need a RB or QB. My point is that those picks will still have value and other fantasy owners might be more eager thise year since there should be little certainty to which player will go at which draft slot.
 
A running back will go to a good situation. It always happens. Addai, JJ Arrington, Julius Jones, etc. There will be a situation at 1.4 that is very make that spot valuable. It is often a mistake to prefer opportunity over talent- but #4 will likely be an opportunity pick.

 
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A running back will go to a good situation. It always happens. Addai, JJ Arrington, Julius Jones, etc. There will be a situation at 1.4 that is very make that spot valuable. It is often a mistake to prefer opportunity over talent- but #4 will likely be an opportunity pick.
And right now I'm betting it'll be the Broncos new RB.
 
I have #4 overall and am not too excited yet, but I think I'll get a bit more jacked up once the NFL draft goes down. I agree with the couple of comments that there are still going to be some decent WR and QB options at that spot... just not the blue chip RBs.

 
I have #4 overall and am not too excited yet, but I think I'll get a bit more jacked up once the NFL draft goes down. I agree with the couple of comments that there are still going to be some decent WR and QB options at that spot... just not the blue chip RBs.
I've thought Jarrett and Ginn were pretty elite prospects all along. Those guys could easily go in the first 10-15 picks. I don't think the steep dropoff really occurs until after the top 5.
 
Someone offered me Darrell Jackson straight up for pick 1.01
You were also offered Romo and TO or Romo and Ward and a 2nd round pick and you don't counter, don't respond in any way at all...Maybe that is the reason you get the #1 pick in our league year after year...Your strategy of loading up on stud RBs and ignoring the rest of your team is not working...12-41 over the last 4 years should give you a hint that you need to look in a different direction...
the merits of the trade offers should be able to be evaluated without the snipe... i didn't need to know what the guys record is...would you give up peterson for romo & TO... i doubt it... in which case the criticism seems self-serving...TO is a ticking time bomb nearing his mid-thirties... romo could be good, but i'm not even sure he has 10 starts & the cowboys haven't looked as good in past few games...i seriously doubt if many on this board would part with peterson for TO & romo... not sure if there is ever a reason to call somebody out on the board, but in this case, you have a pretty flimsy leg to stand on...
Yeah but it made me feel good, whats he gonna do respond to me less that he does now...He is the one who put out the worst trade he was offered and made it sound like that was all he was offered for the pick...Yeah I would think hard about upgrading both my QB and WR positions as well as getting a 2nd round pick for another RB...But you are entitled to your own opinion...Just saying...
Well you did try to rape me for a retiring Tiki... :shrug:
 
A running back will go to a good situation. It always happens. Addai, JJ Arrington, Julius Jones, etc. There will be a situation at 1.4 that is very make that spot valuable. It is often a mistake to prefer opportunity over talent- but #4 will likely be an opportunity pick.
One of the big questions in my mind is whether or not that RB that falls into a good spot gets taken at 1.3 over Calvin Johnson. I'm not saying it's something I would do, but considering so many dynasty leagues are runningback hungry, I think it's quite the possibility. Yes, most of us are aware that you should draft on talent, but RB's get reached on in rookie drafts every year.This has me pondering whether it's a good idea to trade for the 1.4 picks right now. The price may be low as the owner may think they are missing out on the top 3 guys and the next 3 WR's are all rather similar.
 
billyjoe said:
After that, it's dicey. I'm tempted to offer Chad Johnson for the 2nd and 3rd overall pick in our dynasty ppr rookie draft. Calvin/Lynch. Lynch makes up the gap between Chad and Calvin.
You would be lucky to get one of pick 2 or 3 for Chad Johnson, let alone get both 2 and 3. No one in their right mind would do that, would they?
 
One of the big questions in my mind is whether or not that RB that falls into a good spot gets taken at 1.3 over Calvin Johnson.
Anyone who comes to this site with any regularity will have no excuses to make that mistake.
I agree but we've all seen plenty of RB reaches in rookie drafts before. Last years WR's were poor, but as recently as 2 years ago I can recall the likes of JJ Arrington, Eric Shelton, Frank Gore or Ryan Moats going before Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton and Mike Williams.And these were FBG leagues. :thumbup:
 
One of the big questions in my mind is whether or not that RB that falls into a good spot gets taken at 1.3 over Calvin Johnson.
Anyone who comes to this site with any regularity will have no excuses to make that mistake.
I agree but we've all seen plenty of RB reaches in rookie drafts before. Last years WR's were poor, but as recently as 2 years ago I can recall the likes of JJ Arrington, Eric Shelton, Frank Gore or Ryan Moats going before Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton and Mike Williams.And these were FBG leagues. :thumbup:
I took Shelton over Edwards in Z30. :lmao:Of course my team there is the Panthers....
 
I have been offered the first overall pick for Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, and Matt Jones.

This is in a 12 team 28 player roster dynasty league. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR/TE, 1K, 1D, 1IDP. No PPR.

 
I have been offered the first overall pick for Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, and Matt Jones. This is in a 12 team 28 player roster dynasty league. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR/TE, 1K, 1D, 1IDP. No PPR.
not that this the right forum, but I would take it... WRs are everywhere imo.. all three willbe good, but none are NUMBER 1 WRs....
 
i had picks 3,5,7,11,12

i just traded

Braylon Edwards, 5th, and 7th picks

for

Torry Holt, Mike Williams and a 08 first rounder.

Thoughts?

 
billyjoe said:
After that, it's dicey. I'm tempted to offer Chad Johnson for the 2nd and 3rd overall pick in our dynasty ppr rookie draft. Calvin/Lynch. Lynch makes up the gap between Chad and Calvin.
You would be lucky to get one of pick 2 or 3 for Chad Johnson, let alone get both 2 and 3. No one in their right mind would do that, would they?
I wouldn't trade CJ for the 1.2 and 1.3 picks. Assuming 1/2 of 1st-round picks flop, you would have to hope one of the two picks reaches Johnson's status. Highly unlikely...even if Calvin Johnson is one of those picks.
 
billyjoe said:
After that, it's dicey. I'm tempted to offer Chad Johnson for the 2nd and 3rd overall pick in our dynasty ppr rookie draft. Calvin/Lynch. Lynch makes up the gap between Chad and Calvin.
You would be lucky to get one of pick 2 or 3 for Chad Johnson, let alone get both 2 and 3. No one in their right mind would do that, would they?
I wouldn't trade CJ for the 1.2 and 1.3 picks. Assuming 1/2 of 1st-round picks flop, you would have to hope one of the two picks reaches Johnson's status. Highly unlikely...even if Calvin Johnson is one of those picks.
I agree. Thus the word hype in the title of this thread.But the hype is allready strong and will only grow moving forward.

 
I have been offered the first overall pick for Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, and Matt Jones. This is in a 12 team 28 player roster dynasty league. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR/TE, 1K, 1D, 1IDP. No PPR.
Oh man, that's too good to be true. You take that in a nanosecond.
 
billyjoe said:
After that, it's dicey. I'm tempted to offer Chad Johnson for the 2nd and 3rd overall pick in our dynasty ppr rookie draft. Calvin/Lynch. Lynch makes up the gap between Chad and Calvin.
You would be lucky to get one of pick 2 or 3 for Chad Johnson, let alone get both 2 and 3. No one in their right mind would do that, would they?
I wouldn't trade CJ for the 1.2 and 1.3 picks. Assuming 1/2 of 1st-round picks flop, you would have to hope one of the two picks reaches Johnson's status. Highly unlikely...even if Calvin Johnson is one of those picks.
I offered Chad Johnson for just the 1.3 pick and was rejected.Like it or not, it's almost impossible to get a top 3 pick.

 
I offered Chad Johnson for just the 1.3 pick and was rejected.Like it or not, it's almost impossible to get a top 3 pick.
Assuming this is a normal dynasty league and not salary cap style, I'm not sure which of you is the bigger fool.
 
I offered Chad Johnson for just the 1.3 pick and was rejected.Like it or not, it's almost impossible to get a top 3 pick.
Assuming this is a normal dynasty league and not salary cap style, I'm not sure which of you is the bigger fool.
:bye: Chad Johnson born 1/9/1978:
Year Value Pos. Rank Overall Rank--------------------------------------------------2001 0 78 2632002 26 18 532003 91 3 112004 58 9 242005 84 4 112006 65 4 15--------------------------------------------------
I realise that these rookies are looking good but I don't care how good they are. They will be hard pressed to compete for the productivity of a proven player such as 85 ect. There are only a few elite players like this that maintain thier high level of performance year in year out and are not even close to declining because of age yet.A stud in hand is better than a guy with potential to maybe if everything works out become what you allready have.Don't believe the hype.
 
I offered Chad Johnson for just the 1.3 pick and was rejected.Like it or not, it's almost impossible to get a top 3 pick.
Assuming this is a normal dynasty league and not salary cap style, I'm not sure which of you is the bigger fool.
It's a normal league, no salary cap. I guess we could both be considered fools, me for offering and my league mate for rejecting.
 
Got offered Kevin Jones in a PPR league for the 1.01. Tough call...not sure if Jones comes back healthy or not.
Absolutely Not!One thing is for sure, who ever you'll be drafting at the 1.01 will be healthy. KJ could = C-Pep, if he comes back at all.
 
Dynasty PPR.

CJ for 1.02 and 1.03, rejected. Was midly tempted.

Harrison for 1.03, rejected. Had no interest.

These rookies are hyped so early, and so much, the value of draft picks has gotten higher each year.

 
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Dynasty PPR.CJ for 1.02 and 1.03, rejected. Was midly tempted.Harrison for 1.03, rejected. Had no interest.These rookies are hyped so early, and so much, the value of draft picks has gotten higher each year.
It would be awfully tough to pass on Chad Johnson for 1.02 or 1.03.
 
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Dynasty PPR.CJ for 1.02 and 1.03, rejected. Was midly tempted.Harrison for 1.03, rejected. Had no interest.These rookies are hyped so early, and so much, the value of draft picks has gotten higher each year.
It would be awfully tough to pass on Chad Johnson for 1.02 or 1.03.
He was trying to get both 1.02 and 1.03, not just one of the picks. That would be an easy trade decline.Harrison has the age factor working against him.
 
Is there anywhere on this site that rookies are ranked along with regular players yet? I would be interested to see if the 1.01 pick would be worth offering a Maroney type of player. I know that things will change after the draft, but if you think about it the rankings will also change for established players after the draft. Last year McAllister would have been ranked higher but then Bush falls to them and McAllister had to take a hit (injury aside). Depending on where these stud RB's end up the current top guys will certainly take hits.

 
Is there anywhere on this site that rookies are ranked along with regular players yet? I would be interested to see if the 1.01 pick would be worth offering a Maroney type of player. I know that things will change after the draft, but if you think about it the rankings will also change for established players after the draft. Last year McAllister would have been ranked higher but then Bush falls to them and McAllister had to take a hit (injury aside). Depending on where these stud RB's end up the current top guys will certainly take hits.
Ill add provisional rankings as a feature to the Bloom 100 - the first of which will come out sometime between Jan 15 and the Super Bowl, because Cecil Lammey and I will be at the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl practices reporting on the site, and with fresh new audibles (on itunes) to give you the edge in your rookie drafts.
 
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Is there anywhere on this site that rookies are ranked along with regular players yet? I would be interested to see if the 1.01 pick would be worth offering a Maroney type of player. I know that things will change after the draft, but if you think about it the rankings will also change for established players after the draft. Last year McAllister would have been ranked higher but then Bush falls to them and McAllister had to take a hit (injury aside). Depending on where these stud RB's end up the current top guys will certainly take hits.
Biabreakable's polls do. 1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/1979

2. Larry Johnson 11/19/1979

3. Steven Jackson 7/22/1983

4. Shaun Alexander 8/30/1977

5. Clinton Portis 9/1/1981

6. Frank Gore 5/14/1983

7. Ronnie Brown 12/12/1981

8. Brian Westbrook 9/2/1979

9t. Kevin Jones 8/21/1982

9t. Reggie Bush 3/2/1985

11. Willie Parker 11/11/1980

12. Laurence Maroney 2/5/1985

13. Joseph Addai 5/3/1983

14. Rudi Johnson 10/1/1979

15. Willis McGahee 10/20/1981

16. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/1985

17. Adrian Peterson 3/21/1985

18. Carnell Williams 4/21/1982

19. Chester Taylor 9/22/1979

20. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/1983

Apparently not quite worth Maroney. Although I'm really not sure that I'd trade the 1.01 for Maroney or any of the RBs lower than Reggie Bush.

 
Is there anywhere on this site that rookies are ranked along with regular players yet? I would be interested to see if the 1.01 pick would be worth offering a Maroney type of player. I know that things will change after the draft, but if you think about it the rankings will also change for established players after the draft. Last year McAllister would have been ranked higher but then Bush falls to them and McAllister had to take a hit (injury aside). Depending on where these stud RB's end up the current top guys will certainly take hits.
Biabreakable's polls do. 1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/1979

2. Larry Johnson 11/19/1979

3. Steven Jackson 7/22/1983

4. Shaun Alexander 8/30/1977

5. Clinton Portis 9/1/1981

6. Frank Gore 5/14/1983

7. Ronnie Brown 12/12/1981

8. Brian Westbrook 9/2/1979

9t. Kevin Jones 8/21/1982

9t. Reggie Bush 3/2/1985

11. Willie Parker 11/11/1980

12. Laurence Maroney 2/5/1985

13. Joseph Addai 5/3/1983

14. Rudi Johnson 10/1/1979

15. Willis McGahee 10/20/1981

16. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/1985

17. Adrian Peterson 3/21/1985

18. Carnell Williams 4/21/1982

19. Chester Taylor 9/22/1979

20. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/1983

Apparently not quite worth Maroney. Although I'm really not sure that I'd trade the 1.01 for Maroney or any of the RBs lower than Reggie Bush.
Thank you guys for the replies and update. I had looked at Biabreakable's polls but didn't look low enough :bag: . With all the hype I figured that he would be listed higher and I didn't see any rookies listed.
 
A running back will go to a good situation. It always happens. Addai, JJ Arrington, Julius Jones, etc. There will be a situation at 1.4 that is very make that spot valuable. It is often a mistake to prefer opportunity over talent- but #4 will likely be an opportunity pick.
:banned: concur
 
I added a new deal that was recently made for the 1.02 pick. The deal was a throw a lot of junk at the pick as bloom suggested might work. In this case it did.

Anyone else have some offers or deals consumated involving the top 3 picks?

I do think the top 3 are holding value as a top tier however a 2nd tier of the 4th and 5th picks has emerged that doesen't seem so far off in value with the top 3 prospects. And the depth of this player pool is begining to get fleshed out showing some decent depth as well.

 
offered KJ/Calhoun S.Holmes N.Washington and a 3rd rounder to a team with alot oof HOLES and he turned it down saying detroit was last in rushing....I was shootin for 1.02 Oh well.

 

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