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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (1 Viewer)

Citizens for Ethics‏Verified account @CREWcrew

Rudy Giuliani got leaked information that James Comey was reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails in October 2016. We’re requesting documents on the leak.

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CREW has its own conflicts. It was Crew that started the whole Hillary email server issue by suing for her emails back in 2013. Then, later, David Brock, a Hillary operative, took it over. But it’s really weird that Giuliani has popped here at this point of time as the the appointed buffer between Trump and Mueller. Giuliani supposedly has skin in this game.

 
From Adam Schiff on twitter 6 hours ago: 

We lay out some new facts:

1.) Russians sought to establish a secret back channel with Trump campaign through NRA in May 2016 according to an email from Paul Erickson to Rick Dearborn & Jeff Sessions. They sought to make “first contact” at the NRA convention. See the email here:

2.) Don Jr. had two calls with Emin Agalarov to pursue dirt Russians were promising as part of June 9, 2016 meeting. Sandwiched between these calls? A third call from a blocked number. We tried to subpoena call records to see if blocked number was Donald Trump, but Rs blocked us:

3.) In light of the testimony of Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie in our investigation this week, as well as statements from Facebook, Cambridge Analytica CEO Alexander Nix certainly appears to have given false testimony under oath. Read it here:

Is Schiff going on the offensive?

 
From Adam Schiff on twitter 6 hours ago: 

We lay out some new facts:

1.) Russians sought to establish a secret back channel with Trump campaign through NRA in May 2016 according to an email from Paul Erickson to Rick Dearborn & Jeff Sessions. They sought to make “first contact” at the NRA convention. See the email here:

2.) Don Jr. had two calls with Emin Agalarov to pursue dirt Russians were promising as part of June 9, 2016 meeting. Sandwiched between these calls? A third call from a blocked number. We tried to subpoena call records to see if blocked number was Donald Trump, but Rs blocked us:

3.) In light of the testimony of Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie in our investigation this week, as well as statements from Facebook, Cambridge Analytica CEO Alexander Nix certainly appears to have given false testimony under oath. Read it here:

Is Schiff going on the offensive?
See?  All wrapped up.  Every lead chased down.  Nothing left to do but close the investigation and exonerate the President.

 
See?  All wrapped up.  Every lead chased down.  Nothing left to do but close the investigation and exonerate the President.
Yep.  Nunes says it's were good.  And we all know he did everything he could during the course of this clearly bipartisan investigation.  Nothing to see here folks, move on to something more important.  Hillary's emails.  

 
So Don Jr. lied about having further contact or following up after the meeting? Just like he lied about the purpose of the meeting? The meeting with a Russian spy recruiter promising dirt on their opponent? The dirt that was based on the "Russian government's support" for the Trump campaign? The meeting where they have confessed they discussed Russia's response to US sanctions with the Russian spy recruiter?

If there's an innocent explanation to give for something, it is generally wise to give it. Being caught in lie after lie makes you look guilty.

 
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So Don Jr. lied about having further contact or following up after the meeting? Just like he lied about the purpose of the meeting? The meeting with a Russian spy recruiter promising dirt on their opponent? The dirt that was based on the "Russian government's support" for the Trump campaign? The meeting where they have confessed they discussed Russia's response to US sanctions with the Russian spy recruiter?

If there's an innocent explanation to give for something, it is generally wise to give it. Being caught in lie after lie makes you look guilty.
Geez, this was all so long ago. Shouldn’t we be focusing on the death of Vince Foster?

 
From Adam Schiff on twitter 6 hours ago: 

We lay out some new facts:

2.) Don Jr. had two calls with Emin Agalarov to pursue dirt Russians were promising as part of June 9, 2016 meeting. Sandwiched between these calls? A third call from a blocked number. We tried to subpoena call records to see if blocked number was Donald Trump, but Rs blocked us.
You know who the Repubs can't block in getting that information? Robert Mueller.  

 
Aaron Maté‏ @aaronjmate

1 A new book by NYT's Amy Chozick has more details on how the Clinton camp encouraged Trump's candidacy (the goal, btw, they have spent the past year accusing Putin of). A agenda item from Campaign Manager Robby Mook asked: "How do we maximize Trump?"

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/987331662802505733
What, exactly, do you think this means?  Clinton’s wanted Trump to run, b/c they thought it would cause problems for the Republicans and/or they thought he’d be easy to beat.  Doesn’t change the fact that if his lawyer paid to silence Daniels, it could be a violation of campaign law.  Doesn’t change the fact that if members of his campaign cooperated with Russia, it’s a crime.  Doesn’t change the fact that if the POtuS tried to coverup evidence of this collusion (even if he was not aware of it at the time), its a crime.  And it definitely doesn’t change the fact that even if none of that is true, Trump is completely incapable of doing the job he was elected for, that he is damaging our economy, weakening our international standing, destroying our domestic stability, and definitely not “making America great again.”

 
What, exactly, do you think this means?  Clinton’s wanted Trump to run, b/c they thought it would cause problems for the Republicans and/or they thought he’d be easy to beat.  Doesn’t change the fact that if his lawyer paid to silence Daniels, it could be a violation of campaign law.  Doesn’t change the fact that if members of his campaign cooperated with Russia, it’s a crime.  Doesn’t change the fact that if the POtuS tried to coverup evidence of this collusion (even if he was not aware of it at the time), its a crime.  And it definitely doesn’t change the fact that even if none of that is true, Trump is completely incapable of doing the job he was elected for, that he is damaging our economy, weakening our international standing, destroying our domestic stability, and definitely not “making America great again.”
But Hillary!!!!!

 
What, exactly, do you think this means?  Clinton’s wanted Trump to run, b/c they thought it would cause problems for the Republicans and/or they thought he’d be easy to beat.  Doesn’t change the fact that if his lawyer paid to silence Daniels, it could be a violation of campaign law.  Doesn’t change the fact that if members of his campaign cooperated with Russia, it’s a crime.  Doesn’t change the fact that if the POtuS tried to coverup evidence of this collusion (even if he was not aware of it at the time), its a crime.  And it definitely doesn’t change the fact that even if none of that is true, Trump is completely incapable of doing the job he was elected for, that he is damaging our economy, weakening our international standing, destroying our domestic stability, and definitely not “making America great again.”
It means the street cred the Clinton campaign got for being way out in front on Trump/Putin's "bromance" in 2015 conflicts completely with their campaign strategy.  Either they 

A: actively and knowingly promoted Trump even though they felt he had dubious ties to the Kremlin (unlikely), or

B: knew their own line on Trump/Russia was garbage, but went with it anyway, probably to deflect from an area their own internal polling showed Clinton to be weak on.

It's consistent with the passage in Shattered, written by a Politico editor, where they basically hatched the narrative within 24 hours of defeat.  

 
The point is..."congress"...by which you mean the joke that is the House Intel Committee...didn't actually interview key people or review key documents.
@don’t Noonan;

this is the quote that for you all worked up. The absence of the word “any” before key people or key documents DOES NOT allow you to infer that the word belongs there.  It means that key people weren’t interviewed and/or key documents weren’t reviewed.  

If there were 4 key people (using 4 for simplicity’s sake), and 2 were interviewed, the statement “the committee didn’t interview key people” is factually accurate.  Multiple reports have reported that more than 1 person who could have/should have been questioned, was not.  Just because you incorrectly inferred a meaning that you should not have, doesn’t mean Sho nuff posted a falsehood; he did not.

 
It means the street cred the Clinton campaign got for being way out in front on Trump/Putin's "bromance" in 2015 conflicts completely with their campaign strategy.  Either they 

A: actively and knowingly promoted Trump even though they felt he had dubious ties to the Kremlin (unlikely), or

B: knew their own line on Trump/Russia was garbage, but went with it anyway, probably to deflect from an area their own internal polling showed Clinton to be weak on.

It's consistent with the passage in Shattered, written by a Politico editor, where they basically hatched the narrative within 24 hours of defeat.  
Or, like most of America, thought that he wouldn't ever get elected in the general.

 
It means the street cred the Clinton campaign got for being way out in front on Trump/Putin's "bromance" in 2015 conflicts completely with their campaign strategy.  Either they 

A: actively and knowingly promoted Trump even though they felt he had dubious ties to the Kremlin (unlikely), or

B: knew their own line on Trump/Russia was garbage, but went with it anyway, probably to deflect from an area their own internal polling showed Clinton to be weak on.

It's consistent with the passage in Shattered, written by a Politico editor, where they basically hatched the narrative within 24 hours of defeat.  
Which does nothing to negate the illegal/improper actions of Trump, his campaign, and his peeformance as POtuS.  Clinton was a ####ty candidate; maybe she wanted Trump as the GOP candidate, believing his ties to Russia/illegal activities would make him an easy win (a “tomato can,” in boxing parlance).  But lining up a tomato can opponent, and rigging the fight by paying off the referee are two totally different degrees of “wrong.”  One looks bad, and one is illegal.  HTH

 
Which does nothing to negate the illegal/improper actions of Trump, his campaign, and his peeformance as POtuS.  Clinton was a ####ty candidate; maybe she wanted Trump as the GOP candidate, believing his ties to Russia/illegal activities would make him an easy win (a “tomato can,” in boxing parlance).  But lining up a tomato can opponent, and rigging the fight by paying off the referee are two totally different degrees of “wrong.”  One looks bad, and one is illegal.  HTH
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  

 
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  
Oh pishposh. The Hillary campaign including the candidate were flawed in a myriad of ways. So was the media. Chozik goes through some gnashing of teeth about how they should have covered the data dumps. It's one of the toughest journalistic questions in history, and it was unprecedented, how do you report on stolen data being pushed out by unknown forces for unknown motives? Chozik is dealing with it, the DNC is dealing with it, the nation is dealing with it. Everyone except the RNC - which has seen three RNC co-chairmen busted for possible money laundering or fraud - and the Congressional Republican leadership. We know key GOP people knew about Trump's connections because they themselves started the dossier project in 2015. I think the culture has gotten scandal resistant to the point that banging the table that Trump had risky Russian connections was considered counter-productive. Finally towards the end of the 2016, in a debate, Hillary finally raised it directly. Yes, surprisingly after a big L coaches, fans, players everyone have acknowledged mistakes were made.

 
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  
How many times does this need to be said and re-said (and re-said and re-said)?  The investigation was started to look into Russian Meddling into the election.  Period.  It only expanded in its scope when 2 things happened.  People around Trump started looking suspicious and Trump opened his big ####### non-stop running mouth and said he fired Comey for this "Russian thing".   The "entire pretense for the investigation" as you put it has proven to be extremely valid.  The Russians were meddling!  Now whether Trump colluded is still up for debate, but this narrative out there that the investigation is a sham or not valid is as wrong as wrong could be.  

 
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  
These crooks are only in jail because someone with a motive tipped off the police? That's your concern?

Moreover, the FBI was investigating Manafort since 2014. 2014.

Things seem like conspiracies when people use the wrong facts to support them.

And Ren, you said like 3 months ago that if someone told you that your girlfriend was cheating on you, you didn't care how or why they found it out. You cared that she was cheating on you. But that related to investigating the FBI or DOJ. So I get it. Now it's about investigating Trump/Russia. So now why there's an investigation matters.

 
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I swear Ren needs to create 2 accounts. One for when he's accusing Hillary/Democrats of malfeasance and demanding their investigations. And then another when he's defending Trump/Russia and saying that no investigations are necessary. It would at least let him keep his purported ethics, standards, and concerns consistent.

 
@don’t Noonan;

this is the quote that for you all worked up. The absence of the word “any” before key people or key documents DOES NOT allow you to infer that the word belongs there.  It means that key people weren’t interviewed and/or key documents weren’t reviewed.  

If there were 4 key people (using 4 for simplicity’s sake), and 2 were interviewed, the statement “the committee didn’t interview key people” is factually accurate.  Multiple reports have reported that more than 1 person who could have/should have been questioned, was not.  Just because you incorrectly inferred a meaning that you should not have, doesn’t mean Sho nuff posted a falsehood; he did not.
Sorry, you are incorrect too.  Probably best to stop embarrassing yourself.

 
Btw, everyone else remembers all those posts @ren hoek has done over the years, criticizing all of the investigations of Hillary, right? The ones that went nowhere. That took years and years. And were motivated by a Republican Congress who didn't like her. To voters who loved chanting, "Lock her up" because of political beliefs.

There's gotta be at least 1,000 of those he's done by now. Right?

 
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ren hoek said:
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  
You know what?  You changed my mind.  If they didn’t start the investigation into Russian meddling without knowing exactly who they were going to charge, they can’t proceed.  Similarly, the “Golden State killer” shouldn’t be charged with any crimes, because without the DNA they found, they never would have known it was him.  They didn’t start the investigation all those years ago knowing he committtd those crimes, So it’s unfair that they use evidence of his crimes to charge/convict him.

 
ren hoek said:
I really don't disagree here.  It definitely negates the entire pretense for the investigation if collusion between RU/Wikileaks didn't happen.  And it raises the question of why the Trump admin was turned upside down, spied on, leaked on, and basically subverted by the intelligence/media complex if there wasn't a valid pretense to launch such a widespread investigation. 

Regardless of how a person feels about a bunch of crooks occupying the White House, believe me I'm no fan, it's reasonable to find it unsettling that unelected officials can go to such great lengths to upend a democratically elected administration.  It's not that they don't deserve to face justice, like every administration in history that came before- it's that they're facing justice because the wrong people dislike them.  
I've read this sentence several times and it doesn't make any sense.  If the right people liked them, then they wouldn't be facing justice?  That is pretty much the exact opposite of what "justice' is.    

 

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