The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (8 Viewers)

[jonessed]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. They will get to see what is redacted. Who knows what that is. I doubt Trump is going anywhere though. I am more interested in just knowing the truth and hoping in 2020 people can make as informed of a decision as possible and we can shut down any dirty tactics any candidate might try to use. 

They have been thrashing about, leaking, and tossing accusations for two years.  The Mueller report is out. Impeach Trump or move on.

 

[sho nuff]

Nobody cares, except those trying to derail Trump's political agenda.

American's  care about jobs and healthcare, not this bologna.  Every non-left poll supports that.  That's why Dem leadership has been cutting bait for weeks...they know they lost and can only make it worse.  

The charade you're watching on CNN today is about trying to save face with the base.  This is not a good thing if you support a liberal agenda...the middle just moved further to the right this past few weeks.

Who here has qutoed anything from CNN?

Why are you making things up to try and paint posters as saying things they aren't saying?

WHy can't you just address the points made rather than just opining that you don't think people care.  How can you possibly know what people care about this until they have read it or seen it?  And no, every poll that doesn't agree with you is "a left poll".

Thhis report makes Trump and his campaign look bad.  It establishes there likely was obstruction of justice...and that there was contacts involving his campaign and russia in regard to information on Hillary that was hacked.  It only does not show a criminal conspiracy involving that.

Can you refute any of that last statement:?

 

[TripItUp]

Did you read any of the quotes even posted in here about this or the report itself?

If so...how can you come to any conclusion that this was a waste of time?

How can you claim a waste of money knowing it cost the taxpayers zero?

How can you claim anyone looks like clowns for investigating the Russian effort into our election and the indictments that happened?

Im guessing we will see zero serious answers to these questions from you or the rest of the people acting as if this report is all nothing.

It's a waste of time in the eyes of the average American who could not care less about this crap.   And at the end of the day, those are the voters that matter.

The Dems are making the exact same mistakes they made in 2016...it's close to comical.  They can't get out of the way of their intellectual agenda/goals.

 

[Skoo]

It's a waste of time in the eyes of the average American who could not care less about this crap.   And at the end of the day, those are the voters that matter.

The Dems are making the exact same mistakes they made in 2016...it's close to comical.  They can't get out of the way of their intellectual agenda/goals.

Yeah, today has been terrible for Democrats, lol.

You guys are hilarious.

 

[Ilov80s]

They have been thrashing about, leaking, and tossing accusations for two years.  The Mueller report is out. Impeach Trump or move on.

Actually we should not move on. We should be making sure Russia can't interfere with future elections. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

These posters were all going to say the same thing no matter what came out of the report.

And this is why what Barr did is such BS. Got ahead of the story and fed their base what they want to hear so they hopefully ignore the rest.

When is he going to be indicted for a crime?

 

[timschochet]

As I see it: 

1 If the Democrats impeach President Trump, it will be a party line vote. Not a single Republican will vote for that. 

2. 67 votes would be needed in the Senate to remove President Trump. They wouldn’t get 49. No Republicans will vote for it. 

3. Politically speaking, and here’s where I strongly disagree with Shader and others: impeaching Trump and failing to remove him only increases his chances of winning in 2020. 

4. The public wanted the Mueller report. They’ll probably want hearings. They didn’t believe Trump or Barr. But they don’t want impeachment. At least not now. 

 

[bostonfred]

Yeah, today has been terrible for Democrats, lol.

You guys are hilarious.

There's nothing funny about it

 

[sho nuff]

I don't see how this is good for the Dems.   Anybody can see this was political gamesmanship from the beginning, the kind of stunts that got Trump elected in the first place.

Americans hate this crap and largely hate politicians.

This is again false.  What about it was political gamesmenship...read the summaries man.  Read the obstruction stuff...do more than go in without having read any of it and just commenting like you are.  It comes off very poorly.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't see how this is good for the Dems.   Anybody can see this was political gamesmanship from the beginning, the kind of stunts that got Trump elected in the first place.

Americans hate this crap and largely hate politicians.

The problem for this theory is that it is rendered completely untenable by reading the report ... and some people are going to.

 

[TripItUp]

Thhis report makes Trump and his campaign look bad.  It establishes there likely was obstruction of justice...and that there was contacts involving his campaign and russia in regard to information on Hillary that was hacked.  It only does not show a criminal conspiracy involving that.

Can you refute any of that last statement:?

Nobody is surprised by anything in this report, it hasn't changed a thing IMHO other than further galvanizing the right.   

Here is the political impact:

The left:  it provides confirmation of some of what they wanted to see

The MIddle:  Sick of this crap and will lean more right

The Right:  very energized

The Dems lose and the Republicans win in what was from the very beginning political gamesmanship.

 

[timschochet]

It's a waste of time in the eyes of the average American who could not care less about this crap.   And at the end of the day, those are the voters that matter.

The Dems are making the exact same mistakes they made in 2016...it's close to comical.  They can't get out of the way of their intellectual agenda/goals.

You’re really not reading the American public correctly here. You need to examine the results of 2018 a little more closely. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I don’t understand this. Most Americans skim news.  

This seems VERY HARD for the every dayers in here to understand.

Or admit maybe

 

[TripItUp]

As I see it: 

1 If the Democrats impeach President Trump, it will be a party line vote. Not a single Republican will vote for that. 

2. 67 votes would be needed in the Senate to remove President Trump. They wouldn’t get 49. No Republicans will vote for it. 

3. Politically speaking, and here’s where I strongly disagree with Shader and others: impeaching Trump and failing to remove him only increases his chances of winning in 2020. 

4. The public wanted the Mueller report. They’ll probably want hearings. They didn’t believe Trump or Barr. But they don’t want impeachment. At least not now. 

Mostly accurate, I would say #4 is a mischaracterization.  Most Americans just don't care, if anything this moved the needle to the right.  

 

[Workhorse]

Good God, man. This paragraph:

The President's public remarks following Cohen's guilty plea also suggest that the President may have been concerned about what Cohen told investigators about the Trump Tower Moscow project. At the time the President submitted written answers to questions from this Office about the project and other subjects, the media had reported that Cohen was cooperating with the government but Cohen had not yet pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress. Accordingly, it was not publicly known what information about the project Cohen had provided to the government. In his written answers, the President did not provide details about the timing and substance of his discussions with Cohen about the project and gave no indication that he had decided to no longer pursue the project. Yet after Cohen pleaded guilty, the President publicly stated that he had personally made the decision to abandon the project. The President then declined to clarify the seeming discrepancy to our Office or answer additional questions. The content and timing of the President's provision of information about his knowledge and actions regarding the Trump Tower Moscow project is evidence that the President may have been concerned about the information that Cohen could provide as a witness.

 

[adonis]

Nobody is surprised by anything in this report, it hasn't changed a thing IMHO other than further galvanizing the right.   

Well that's not true.  I'm surprised by quite a bit.  There's detail here that we never saw before.

Such as Sarah Sanders saying, under oath, that she lied to the American people.

 

[jonessed]

Actually we should not move on. We should be making sure Russia can't interfere with future elections. 

We should also be looking at revamping the farm bill.  That’s not what I’m referring to though.

 

[sho nuff]

We shall see, I'd bet money I'm right but it will be impossible to prove obviously.  

You can guarantee Trump is going to mention this in the debates and in speeches.   Between this and the AOC/socialism talk...the Dems have done an outstanding job of energizing the rights base.  Every Republican I know is foaming at the mouth.  

He is going to mention what?  His lies about what the report said?

Because he won't want to bring up the obstruction part in his debates...nor anything about the contacts his campaign had with Russia...likely he would want to avoid russia at all.

Yes...he will bring up his spin and lies in his speeches as he always does.  NO Collusion...and what Barr says vs what the report actually says.

He isn't running against AOC.  HTH.

Every Republican you know was likely already foaming at the mouth and if they are honest and read the summaries and conclusions and still think this is good for Trump...they are pretty funny and it wouldn't matter as they are the type to vote R no matter what.  That isn't what will shift the next election.

 

[Brony]

Good God, man. This paragraph:

thank you for a post related to the actual report. 

 

[bostonfred]

As I see it: 

1 If the Democrats impeach President Trump, it will be a party line vote. Not a single Republican will vote for that. 

2. 67 votes would be needed in the Senate to remove President Trump. They wouldn’t get 49. No Republicans will vote for it. 

Then let the Republicans continue to go on record and let history judge them. 

I can't believe you care more about scoring political points than doing what's right. That's how we got here. 

 

[sho nuff]

It's a waste of time in the eyes of the average American who could not care less about this crap.   And at the end of the day, those are the voters that matter.

The Dems are making the exact same mistakes they made in 2016...it's close to comical.  They can't get out of the way of their intellectual agenda/goals.

Those voters would be voting Trump no matter what.  This report is not a waste to those who need to be convinced.

2016?  How so...back that up just once.  

And one more question...have you read any of the report or summaries or even the quotes people have posted here?  You seem to be avoiding talking about what it actually says.

 

[Skoo]

There's nothing funny about it

I don't know, personally I find all the posturing and ignoring of everything stated in the report as kind of funny.

Gotta keep up that anonymous online persona!

This is great for Trump! 

 

 

[whoknew]

Nobody is surprised by anything in this report, it hasn't changed a thing IMHO other than further galvanizing the right.   

Here is the political impact:

The left:  it provides confirmation of some of what they wanted to see

The MIddle:  Sick of this crap and will lean more right

The Right:  very energized

The Dems lose and the Republicans win in what was from the very beginning political gamesmanship.

Do you have any evidence to support your multiple takes on what the American public thinks?

 

[[scooter]]

It's a waste of time in the eyes of the average American who could not care less about this crap.

Poll: majority of voters approve of Mueller investigation, and 80% want the report released to the public

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Bill Barr is a big fat liar.

 

[TripItUp]

Well that's not true.  I'm surprised by quite a bit.  There's detail here that we never saw before.

Such as Sarah Sanders saying, under oath, that she lied to the American people.

And Bill Clinton lied about getting a hummer in the oval office.

The American voters whose votes are up for grabs will not care abut Sarah Sanders lying.  That's just how it is, right or wrong.  

They care about their quality of life.  At best this was an intellectual's errand with and intellectual voters impact at stake.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Ah, yes.  Someone who thinks Obama was a criminal, and thinks the Trump investigation is a witch hunt.

You've got your conclusions on backwards.

Spin it bro

 

[The Future Champs]

 Every Republican I know is foaming at the mouth.  

There are numerous Republicans on this very board who don’t support Trump, but you probably assume they’re all RINOs.

 

[prefontaine]

Such as Sarah Sanders saying, under oath, that she lied to the American people.

I know this won't matter because nothing matters, but.....how can SHS still have a job tomorrow? 

 

[sho nuff]

As I see it: 

1 If the Democrats impeach President Trump, it will be a party line vote. Not a single Republican will vote for that. 

2. 67 votes would be needed in the Senate to remove President Trump. They wouldn’t get 49. No Republicans will vote for it. 

3. Politically speaking, and here’s where I strongly disagree with Shader and others: impeaching Trump and failing to remove him only increases his chances of winning in 2020. 

4. The public wanted the Mueller report. They’ll probably want hearings. They didn’t believe Trump or Barr. But they don’t want impeachment. At least not now. 

1.  Good...put them on record for supporting a corrupt President who obstructed justice (if they establish that as a reason based on this).  If they lay out the exact case for impeachment and its a straight party line vote...that is good for the Democrats to show exactly why and that the GOP still won't do so.  Its showing they would fail to do their job as a balance of power.

2.  I don't think anyone here thinks he would be removed.

3.  I don't think it increases his chance of winning...or helps the GOP going forward.  It places even more on the GOP for supporting corrupt and possibly criminal (obstruction) behavior.

4.  if this is true of what the Public wants...why would they not want impeachment?

 

[adonis]

In the afternoon of May 10, 2017, deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders spoke to the
President about his decision to fire Corney and then spoke to reporters in a televised press
conference.478 Sanders told reporters that the President, the Department of Justice, and bipartisan
members of Congress had lost confidence in Corney, " [a]nd most importantly, the rank and file of
the FBI had lost confidence in their director. Accordingly, the President accepted the
recommendation of his Deputy Attorney General to remove James Corney from his position."479
In response to questions from reporters, Sanders said that Rosenstein decided "on his own" to
review Corney's performance and that Rosenstein decided "on his own" to come to the President
on Monday, May 8 to express his concerns about Corney. When a reporter indicated that the "vast
majority" of FBI agents supported Corney, Sanders said, "Look, we've heard from countless
members of the FBI that say very different things. "48° Following the press conference, Sanders
spoke to the President, who told her she did a good job and did not point out any inaccuracies in
her comments.481 Sanders told this Office that her reference to hearing from "countless members
of the FBI" was a "slip of the tongue."482 She also recalled that her statement in a separate press
interview that rank-and-file FBI agents had lost confidence in Corney was a comment she made
"in the heat of the moment" that was not founded on anything.483

 

[The Commish]

I am really not heavily invested in this. Objectively, Trump looks awful in all of this. 

When the reason most of the people involved in those 10 incidents is because they IGNORED what the President told them to do or REFUSED to do it, it should give us all pause and wonder HTF we got here.  

 

[shader]

How can any of you say what this report has done to Americans or whether it’s moved the needle left or right?

The report was literally released a couple hours ago and very few people have read the whole thing. 

 

[TripItUp]

Poll: majority of voters approve of Mueller investigation, and 80% want the report released to the public

Really??

That's your source?

 

[TripItUp]

Do you have any evidence to support your multiple takes on what the American public thinks?

My Link

A reputable source NOT from CNN or any other liberal outlet.

It would be nice if many in this thread would do a bit of homework before throwing out false claims.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

As I see it: 

1 If the Democrats impeach President Trump, it will be a party line vote. Not a single Republican will vote for that. 

2. 67 votes would be needed in the Senate to remove President Trump. They wouldn’t get 49. No Republicans will vote for it. 

3. Politically speaking, and here’s where I strongly disagree with Shader and others: impeaching Trump and failing to remove him only increases his chances of winning in 2020. 

4. The public wanted the Mueller report. They’ll probably want hearings. They didn’t believe Trump or Barr. But they don’t want impeachment. At least not now. 

Here's how I see it.  If all the Republicans vote against impeachment, then they will have to wear that badge for the rest of their political lives.  The entire Republican party will have a permanent stain on it.  Don't let any sitting Republican member of Congress in ten years say "oh I would have voted to impeach Trump but didn't have a chance."  Get everyone on record.  There's a reason why today we view the Civil Rights Era through the lens of "good guys" and "bad guys."   Time is on the side of truth and justice.  Force them to sacrifice their legacy for the short term benefit of keeping Trump in office for (hopefully) just a little longer.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm a little annoyed by this actually. I get they want to have a pdf but I'm pretty sure you can still produce a pdf that is searchable and ctrl-c/ctrl-v able while not editable. It's almost like the released report is meant to be as hard as possible to navigate. 

I'm uploading as an attachment to this post a version of the PDF file that is searchable and copyable.

View attachment muellerreport.pdf

 

[sho nuff]

Nobody is surprised by anything in this report, it hasn't changed a thing IMHO other than further galvanizing the right.   

Here is the political impact:

The left:  it provides confirmation of some of what they wanted to see

The MIddle:  Sick of this crap and will lean more right

The Right:  very energized

The Dems lose and the Republicans win in what was from the very beginning political gamesmanship.

So things that are very bad for Trump galvanizes the right?  How so?

The left: it provides a lot of what they thought was there.

Middle:  I highly disagree...I think they do care that obstruction was there and other things in the summaries we are seeing that it wasn't criminal conspiracy but it was pretty damn corrupt.  I don't think this...in April 2019 makes any of the middle lean right.

The right: energized by supporting a likely criminal enterprise...that says more about the right and their unwaivering cult-like support of Trump than it does about this report.

The only politcal gamesmanship we are seeing are these:

• Trump and his admininstrations lies (no obstruction...Sanders stuff that has been documented and so on).
  
• Barr appearing to be running cover by his first "summary" and now this release in this manner before releasing the report to Congress and the public.
  

 

[Sinn Fein]

I know this won't matter because nothing matters, but.....how can SHS still have a job tomorrow? 

the post you responded to answered your own question - she lied to the American people.

It s a feature, not a bug

 

[The Commish]

And I know there are a lot of "precedent" guys on the pro-Trump side.  Precedent would say that lying about a ####### in front of Congress is an impeachable offense.  Not that any of you have read it, but is there anything that rises to that standard in the Mueller report in your opinions?  DIrected to any Trump supporter who cares to answer....tia.

 

[sho nuff]

We should also be looking at revamping the farm bill.  That’s not what I’m referring to though.

This report and what comes after does not keep congress from doing other things.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm uploading as an attachment to this post a version of the PDF file that is searchable and copyable.

View attachment 2889

A million likes

 

[Herb]

 Every Republican I know is foaming at the mouth.  

The entirety of the GOP contracting rabies would actually explain quite a lot...

 

[[scooter]]

Poll: majority of voters approve of Mueller investigation, and 80% want the report released to the public

Really??

That's your source?

Yes. Do you think the source is too biased to be trusted as a source of accurate info?

 

[whoknew]

My Link

A reputable source NOT from CNN or any other liberal outlet.

His evidence was a poll CNN reported on. 

In your article, I saw one poll. And it said that Trump's approval rating did not move much after Barr's non-summary summary. Of course, we know a lot more now about how Barr wasn't completely honest.

So its entirely possible the terrible details of the Mueller report may not matter. Indeed, it seems like to Trump's base, nothing matters. But I don't think you can make that conclusion for the rest of the American public.

 

[sho nuff]

Spin it bro

Have anything to add concerning the actual topic or the actual report?

 

[BroadwayG]

My Link

A reputable source NOT from CNN or any other liberal outlet.

Nice, I always run out to Australian news sources to get my USA analysis as well.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Then let the Republicans continue to go on record and let history judge them. 

I can't believe you care more about scoring political points than doing what's right. That's how we got here. 

 

[TripItUp]

Here's how I see it.  If all the Republicans vote against impeachment, then they will have to wear that badge for the rest of their political lives.  The entire Republican party will have a permanent stain on it.  Don't let any sitting Republican member of Congress in ten years say "oh I would have voted to impeach Trump but didn't have a chance."  Get everyone on record.  There's a reason why today we view the Civil Rights Era through the lens of "good guys" and "bad guys."   Time is on the side of truth and justice.  Force them to sacrifice their legacy for the short term benefit of keeping Trump in office for (hopefully) just a little longer.

Americans don't care.  There is no such thing as "That Badge".

False Narrative

 

[belljr]

Hi I'm in the middle and wont vote republican again if you paid me.