The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (22 Viewers)

[[scooter]]

"Traitor" has basis in fact. ("X did Y, Y is a violation of law, therefore X is a traitor")

"Derangement" has no basis in fact.

It would be one thing if the people crying "Derangement" actually laid out a fact-based argument to support their cries. But they never have.

What?  Bold is incorrect and I've seen the fact based argument for TDS laid out many times: See the cell pool thread.  There are dozens of example in there.

I've read that thread and haven't seen a single fact-based argument for someone literally having a syndrome of derangement.

(Well, unless the 'fact' being cited is "You say things I don't agree with " )

 

[sho nuff]

To clarify do you mean that, in your opinion, no vote was changed as a result of the Russian hacking, or that not enough votes were changed to materially impact the ultimate result?  

Seems some are stuck on no vote was recorded and then changed by hacking.  A claim I don’t believe anyone has actually made.  Rather than nobody changed their mind due to mass disinformation campaigns by a hostile foreign government.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Seems some are stuck on no vote was recorded and then changed by hacking.  A claim I don’t believe anyone has actually made.  Rather than nobody changed their mind due to mass disinformation campaigns by a hostile foreign government.

Are you okay with mass disinformation from one candidate regarding another?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

so does Trump that we need to keep foreign interference out of future elections.

Iirc most recently Parscale, Kushner and Pence both said they would not pledge to refuse using or referring to data stolen from opponents by foreign adversaries.

 

[Snorkelson]

Iirc most recently Parscale, Kushner and Pence both said they would not pledge to refuse using or referring to data stolen from opponents by foreign adversaries.

What has happened that would make them stop?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Akhmetshin Appears in the Duncan Hunter investigation.

 

[adonis]

It's a summary document written by a Trump appointee, summarizing another report that has specific details, evidence, and supporting information.  

Trump will call it a vindication.  Others will too.  I just suggest waiting until we see the full report.

@adonis wrote this over a month ago right after Barr’s summary came out. Several people here mocked him for it. The worst was @Bozeman Bruiser who spent days gloating over this post. But there were lots of people who did. 

I myself thought Adonis was clutching at straws. Naively I didn’t think that Barr would lie to the American public. Turns out I was wrong. Adonis and the others that agreed with him deserve a lot of credit for making these points at the time. 

Thanks.  

Been an incredibly busy week and I've been unable to engage much.  Catching up now.

 

[Ack88]

Yes it is and then you can add that despite a very strong economy that President Trump has become the first President in history that could not in 2 1/2 years  eclipse a 45-50% approval rating. Tis what happens when you have an inept leader in terms foreign policy, immigration, coupled with complete indecency  and dishonesty second to no other President in our history. Yes by all means bring up that subject.

Um. I don't think so.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_may03

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Once again speechless at what he is doing

Sounds like Lavrov-Kislyak-Trump in the Oval Office Part II, just by Skype & without the photo splash.

 

[[scooter]]

Yes it is and then you can add that despite a very strong economy that President Trump has become the first President in history that could not in 2 1/2 years  eclipse a 45-50% approval rating. Tis what happens when you have an inept leader in terms foreign policy, immigration, coupled with complete indecency  and dishonesty second to no other President in our history. Yes by all means bring up that subject.

Um. I don't think so.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_may03

You just cited a poll in which Trump failed to eclipse a 50% approval rating.

 

[Weebs210]

So Sessions is going down as the worst AG in history right?

 

[Ack88]

You just cited a poll in which Trump failed to eclipse a 50% approval rating.

No again. Pay attention. The quote says between a 45%-50% rating. What I posted exceeds 45%-49%, and is equal to 50%.

 

[[scooter]]

You just cited a poll in which Trump failed to eclipse a 50% approval rating.

No again. Pay attention. The quote says between a 45%-50% rating. What I posted exceeds 45%-49%, and is equal to 50%.

LOL

Failing at math and reading comprehension in a single quote. That's a good start for a non-supermike alias.

 

[lazyike]

Um. I don't think so.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_may03

I should have stated respected polling data. I don't count Rasmussen polling.

 

[Ack88]

Yes it is and then you can add that despite a very strong economy that President Trump has become the first President in history that could not in 2 1/2 years  eclipse a 45-50% approval rating. Tis what happens when you have an inept leader in terms foreign policy, immigration, coupled with complete indecency  and dishonesty second to no other President in our history. Yes by all means bring up that subject.

Let’s see if I can break it down for you. The quote about polling says “could not eclipse a 45%-50% approval rating.”

The poll I cited put Trump at 50%. 

50% exceeds 45-49% and the 50% number is equal.

Not hard to follow.

 

[Ack88]

LOL

Failing at math and reading comprehension in a single quote. That's a good start for a non-supermike alias.

Look at the quote.

we are speaking of a range.

50% is higher than 45%-49%.

if you can’t follow this, I can’t help you.

 

[[scooter]]

LOL

Failing at math and reading comprehension in a single quote. That's a good start for a non-supermike alias.

Look at the quote.

we are speaking of a range.

50% is higher than 45%-49%.

if you can’t follow this, I can’t help you.

Doubling down on bad math and bad reading comprehension.

tsst

Off to the ignore list for you!

 

[Ack88]

Doubling down on bad math and bad reading comprehension.

tsst

Off to the ignore list for you!

Sounds like somebody’s been defeated and can’t take it.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So Sessions is going down as the worst AG in history right?

John Mitchell wasn't very good.

 

[TripItUp]

So where are we at with this?

Is the left still riding this out hoping to score points with their base?  What's the endgame here?  Just keep on investigating things until 2024?

 

[Henry Ford]

So where are we at with this?

Is the left still riding this out hoping to score points with their base?  What's the endgame here?  Just keep on investigating things until 2024?

I think the plan is to get a full statement of the actual findings in the investigation and then make a decision as to whether the President has committed impeachable high crimes or misdemeanors. 

 

[The Commish]

Would someone please give me the actionable evidence that trump cares about interference please

 

[Osaurus]

So Sessions is going down as the worst AG in history right?

At least he makes some darn good cookies.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Trumps polling numbers haven't budged since the shutdown ended.  -53/+42 unless you cherry pick.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

"Absent DOJ policy against indicting a sitting President, was there sufficient evidence to indict Mr Trump?"

Someone needs to ask that simple question of Mueller.

 

[urbanhack]

So where are we at with this?

Is the left still riding this out....

drink

 

[[scooter]]

Trumps polling numbers haven't budged since the shutdown ended.  -53/+42 unless you cherry pick.

He bottomed out during the shutdown. But his average just before the shutdown (42.2%) is virtually the same as where it is right now (42.3%).

 

[John Blutarsky]

Off to the ignore list for you!

Need that safe place lol

 

[Sinn Fein]

"Absent DOJ policy against indicting a sitting President, was there sufficient evidence to indict Mr Trump?"

Someone needs to ask that simple question of Mueller.

I would guess he would decline to answer that - for the reasons set out in the report. Policy dictates that DOJ should not accuse someone of a crime if the person could not defend himself of the charges in a legal proceeding. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

So Sessions is going down as the worst AG in history right?

Is that the new right wing talking point?

 

[tonydead]

I've read that thread and haven't seen a single fact-based argument for someone literally having a syndrome of derangement.

(Well, unless the 'fact' being cited is "You say things I don't agree with " )

Really?  I think people repeating things over and over all day long every day for no real apparent purpose, whether its true or not, could be seen as derangement.  There are plenty of examples of that.  In fact I think the purpose of the thread was to point that out.

ETA: Let me give you an example:  Remember when you called me a Trump supporter in that thread for no apparent reason?  Something I'm not.  That is something that is factually wrong and repeated over and over.  That's a symptom of derangement, it shows disorder and confusion.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Really?  I think people repeating things over and over all day long every day for no real apparent purpose, whether its true or not, could be seen as derangement.  There are plenty of examples of that.  In fact I think the purpose of the thread was to point that out.

ETA: Let me give you an example:  Remember when you called me a Trump supporter in that thread for no apparent reason?  Something I'm not.  That is something that is factually wrong and repeated over and over.  That's a symptom of derangement, it shows disorder and confusion.  

Derangement in the sense of disorder and confusion isn’t a mental illness reference.  That’s a physical condition that’s an antonym of “arrangement.”

Derangement in a psychological sense means psychosis or severe mental unsoundness. 

 

[lazyike]

Um. I don't think so.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_may03

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I think we shouldn't cherry pick any particular poll. As you can see Rasmussen  is one of the only polls that ever had Trump at 50. Fivethirtyeighteight averages numerous polls. It even looks worse at realclearpolitics which as you can see Rasmussen is the only one one many that ever has Trump near 50%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tony maybe address Trump today adopting Putin's position as to Mueller's findings and federal indictments on Russian active measures and on intervention in Russia today. Then let's talk derangement.

 

[Ack88]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I think we shouldn't cherry pick any particular poll. As you can see Rasmussen  is one of the only polls that ever had Trump at 50. Fivethirtyeighteight averages numerous polls. It even looks worse at realclearpolitics which as you can see Rasmussen is the only one one many that ever has Trump near 50%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#!

I don't disagree with you. Trump has consistently polled in the low to mid 40s.

The Rassmussen Poll I referenced debunked a claim posted earlier that Trump was "the first President in history that could not in 2 1/2 years  eclipse a 45-50% approval rating." 

 

[tonydead]

Derangement in the sense of disorder and confusion isn’t a mental illness reference.  That’s a physical condition that’s an antonym to “arrange.”

Derangement in a psychological sense means psychosis or severe mental unsoundness. 

  Mental disorder isn't a mental illness reference.  You crack me up.  

 

[Ack88]

Need that safe place lol

So true, that's a classic progressive move- remove yourself from a conversation that debunks your thinking and find your safe space! Simply cannot accept being debunked.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Iirc most recently Parscale, Kushner and Pence both said they would not pledge to refuse using or referring to data stolen from opponents by foreign adversaries.

I heard Trump in an interview yesterday say we need to stop foreign interference.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I heard Trump in an interview yesterday say we need to stop foreign interference.

Today he did not mention it to Putin and apparently adopted Putin's view of things. - And he did the same with Venezuela.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

REPORTER: “Mr. President, did you tell [Putin] not to meddle in the next election?” TRUMP: “We had a good conversation about many different things, ‘k?” REPORTER: “Did you tell him not to meddle in the next election?” TRUMP: “We didn't discuss that.”

Video.

 

[tonydead]

Tony maybe address Trump today adopting Putin's position as to Mueller's findings and federal indictments on Russian active measures and on intervention in Russia today. Then let's talk derangement.

Why the hell would I want to do that?

Really?  I think people repeating things over and over all day long every day for no real apparent purpose, whether its true or not, could be seen as derangement.  There are plenty of examples of that.  In fact I think the purpose of the thread was to point that out.

ETA: Let me give you an example:  Remember when you called me a Trump supporter in that thread for no apparent reason?  Something I'm not.  That is something that is factually wrong and repeated over and over.  That's a symptom of derangement, it shows disorder and confusion.  

Answer is easy tho, he's a moron.  Still a big collusion nothingberger.

 

[zoonation]

Seems some are stuck on no vote was recorded and then changed by hacking.  A claim I don’t believe anyone has actually made.  Rather than nobody changed their mind due to mass disinformation campaigns by a hostile foreign government.

I’m sure people changed their mind or “informed” their vote based on disinformation.  People will believe anything.  

There is just no purchase in arguing that it turned electoral college votes.  No way to prove that.  

The more interesting question, in my view, will be what Trump does about it?  So far he has done SFA.  Not surprising.  He knows that sowing discord and polarizing the electorate is good for him.  He won doing that.  

Today’s call with Putin only reinforces the point.  He will never bring it up.  He has Putin’s back on this stuff over his own intelligence community.  Not because he is beholden to him necessarily, but because that is what is good for Donald J.

He only cares about himself.  And Russia hacking is a net benefit to him, so he will pay lip service to caring, but won’t do anything.   

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tony maybe address Trump today adopting Putin's position as to Mueller's findings and federal indictments on Russian active measures and on intervention in Russia today. Then let's talk derangement.

Why the hell would I want to do that?

Has to do with reality vs delusion, that's all.

Answer is easy tho, he's a moron. 

He's a moron who has lied to the American people repeatedly about the actions of a foreign country. He was told the facts in October 2016, again in December 2016, in 2017, in 2018, and now after a thorough investigation in a 474 page report. He's been informed by the best of the government. Even a moron gets those details.

But Venezuela - he believes Putin when he says he's not interfering there? Seriously? 

 

[Ack88]

The liberals here love the ignore feature. 

How do they feel when informed that the number of indictments of US Citizens directly related to the 2016 election is zero?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

How do they feel when informed that the number of indictments of US Citizens directly related to the 2016 election is zero?

Sad at the state of reasoning among my fellow countrymen, mostly.

 

[Ack88]

Sad at the state of reasoning among my fellow countrymen, mostly.

So, Mueller spent over two years investigating and chose not to file charges? What makes you more qualified than Mueller to recommend indictments?

 

[zoonation]

So Sessions is going down as the worst AG in history right?

If the test is the A.G. failing to protect the President at all costs, then I’d agree with you. He’d be up there for sure. 

 

[zoonation]

I heard Trump in an interview yesterday say we need to stop foreign interference.

I told my wife today that I really should try to workout three times a week.  

 

[whoknew]

So, Mueller spent over two years investigating and chose not to file charges? What makes you more qualified than Mueller to recommend indictments?

#sigh

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So, Mueller spent over two years investigating and chose not to file charges? What makes you more qualified than Mueller to recommend indictments?

Pretty simple solution is for Barr to overrule the 2000 OLC memo and let Mueller proceed to do just that.