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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (3 Viewers)
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Max Power
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https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1185367408602533888?s=20
Papadopoulos sounds happy the DOJ has the phones. Mentions Flynn.
Papadopoulos sounds happy the DOJ has the phones. Mentions Flynn.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Ah so we're back to this is a deep state conspiracy despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Sweet
Follow - up - the two witnesses who did not testify before the Grand Jury were Don McGahn and Trump Jr.
Zoe Tillman@ZoeTillman ·4m
NEW: Per government filing unsealed on judge's order, former White House counsel Don McGahn and Donald Trump Jr. did not testify before the Mueller grand jury https://documentcloud.org/documents/6502875-10-20-19-Unredacted-Doc-Grand-Jury.html
timschochet
Footballguy
News like this makes me question the Mueller investigation again. Why didn’t they make these people testify? Why didn’t they demand that the President testify? Why wasn’t his report more determinative? I just don’t get it.
timschochet
Footballguy
As much as I disliked Kenneth Starr, he would not have put up with the White House’s nonsense. Starr would have gone before TV cameras and said “President Trump refuses to testify. Don McGahn refuses to testify. Don Jr. won’t testify. I’m trying to investigate this and they won’t cooperate. What are they hiding?”
Mueller could have changed the history of the last 2 years with one little press conference.
Mueller could have changed the history of the last 2 years with one little press conference.
timschochet
Footballguy
Not if he had gone to the public and said “I don’t know why they’re fighting this, I want to finish my investigation and they’re preventing it. Do you guys want me to get to the truth or not?”
Thats how you fight legal challenges and delays. You get public opinion on your side. If Mueller had done that, Trump would have been forced to give up all attempts at delay, the same way he was forced to change his mind on Dorrell this week.
Did you see Mueller's testimony?
Guy lost a little bit of his fastball...
And, Trump then, is very different than Trump now. Trump then was feisty, and have the backing of the entire GOP. Trump today is a shell of his former self - he got beat by Turkey! The GOP support - mostly as a result of Syria - was/is falling apart - and even more so on the Doral issue.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh, I don't think that's it. Mueller had an ace team.
I think if you want a puzzle piece to put in it's the Corsi indictment. Just before the 2018 election he was facing indictment. Right after in came Whitaker immediately and he was never indicted. Things wound up pretty quickly after that.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Barr came in in February, it was over by March, they submitted in April.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The McGahn piece makes sense. They got everything they wanted from him.
The JUNIOR piece should be a big damned deal.
It also means that Barr has overredacted to protect the President and his son.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
- Mueller report.
Just one other thought on this: by calling someone before the GJ whatever happened was legitimately redactable. If not, like McGahn, it could all be plugged into the report. It's possible that Jr's Fifth plea has either been improperly redacted or otherwise withheld by Barr.
BREAKING
Justice Dept. Is Said to Open Criminal Inquiry Into Its Own Russia Investigation
The move is likely to open the attorney general to accusations that he is trying to deliver a political victory for President Trump.
WASHINGTON — For more than two years, President Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation, portraying it as a hoax and illegal even months after the special counsel closed it. Now, Mr. Trump’s own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.
Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to impanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges.
The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.
Mr. Trump has made clear that he sees the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. That view factors into the impeachment investigation against him, as does his long obsession with the origins of the Russia inquiry. House Democrats are examining in part whether his pressure on Ukraine to open investigations into theories about the 2016 election constituted an abuse of power.
Justice Dept. Is Said to Open Criminal Inquiry Into Its Own Russia Investigation
The move is likely to open the attorney general to accusations that he is trying to deliver a political victory for President Trump.
WASHINGTON — For more than two years, President Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation, portraying it as a hoax and illegal even months after the special counsel closed it. Now, Mr. Trump’s own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.
Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to impanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges.
The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.
Mr. Trump has made clear that he sees the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. That view factors into the impeachment investigation against him, as does his long obsession with the origins of the Russia inquiry. House Democrats are examining in part whether his pressure on Ukraine to open investigations into theories about the 2016 election constituted an abuse of power.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
What's going on here?
Max Power
Footballguy
The investigation into how the Russia Collusion probe started is turning into a criminal case based on the evidence uncovered.
NYT implying its politically motivated while not having any facts.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
To my knowledge nothing has been released yet. This shift to criminal inquiry is based on Barr and Durham's findings so far.
If I'm speculating, they probably found something in Italy. Possibly Misfud gave them some new information.
I know Durham did ask for some more bodies for the investigation several weeks ago because they needed more manpower to go through their findings.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Just more abuse of power.Punxsutawney Phil said:
dozer
Footballguy
Actually, she pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a clandestine foreign agent. She was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
ren hoek
Footballguy
She can't live or work here anymore, falsely tarred as a Kremlin agent that traded sexual favors for influence, imprisoned for 18 months, and had the law selectively applied to her because she's Russian. This was for the sort of activites that happen all the time in DC (and I believe would have been entirely legal had she properly registered with the DOJ).
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Max Power
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Is there somewhere I can read these things you're saying? I'd like to see where that's been released.Max Power said:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
She pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as a clandestine agent. Why do you believe that's not the case?
ren hoek
Footballguy
She pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as an unregistered agent. If she had registered, she would have been free and clear. Also, sometimes people take pleas because the fight isn’t worth the risk.
ren hoek
Footballguy
People still linking this Atlantic Council checkmark that watches TV all day.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If she had registered she wouldn't have had the access she had. That's the whole thing.
ren hoek
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/drradchenko/status/1186169336983146501
Just out of curiosity, I watched this programme by @VRSoloviev, available here: russia.tv/video/show/bra…. There is nothing there that remotely looks like "extolling" Tulsi Gabbard (nor is she called "the face of the Democratic Party"). Nor did I find any obsessive bashing of HRC.
When Gabbard is discussed, it's just to ridicule the notion that she is a Russian "asset," as no one seems to know much about her.
Meanwhile, this tweet by @JuliaDavisNews - which is quite literally "fake news" - gathers more than a thousand likes and retweets. @JuliaDavisNews, if you explain where you picked up that quote, I'll apologise.
Just out of curiosity, I watched this programme by @VRSoloviev, available here: russia.tv/video/show/bra…. There is nothing there that remotely looks like "extolling" Tulsi Gabbard (nor is she called "the face of the Democratic Party"). Nor did I find any obsessive bashing of HRC.
When Gabbard is discussed, it's just to ridicule the notion that she is a Russian "asset," as no one seems to know much about her.
Meanwhile, this tweet by @JuliaDavisNews - which is quite literally "fake news" - gathers more than a thousand likes and retweets. @JuliaDavisNews, if you explain where you picked up that quote, I'll apologise.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Julia created and operates the Russian Media Monitor, analyzing Russian state media in broader context of the Kremlin’s propaganda. Her reports have been cited by The Washington Post, The Daily Beast, CNN, Rolling Stone, MSNBC, USA Today, Voice of America/Polygraph, The Hill, Raw Story, The Wrap, The International Business Times, Metro (UK), Wall Street Journal, Dallas News, as well as multiple other publications and media outlets. Julia’s articles about Russian propaganda have been read, translated and shared all over the world.
Julia is a film and television producer, director, writer and member of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, Women In Film, the Screen Actors Guild, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association and other professional guilds and organizations. Julia was the first to produce the musical score featuring the National Ukrainian Orchestra for Paramount Pictures.
Julia has a Master’s Degree in Aviation and Spacecraft Engineering. She is multilingual and speaks several languages fluently, including English, Spanish, Russian (native speaker) and Ukrainian (native speaker).
Julia’s creative experience is vast, as an accredited producer, director, screenwriter and published author. Julia Davis is a former federal officer, having served with the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection as an Acting Supervisor. Utilizing her investigative background on Russia, Ukraine, Immigration and National Security, Julia has been featured on primetime news outlets, including CNN, HLN, Fox News, BBC, KTLA, KCLA and others, with commentary on national security, immigration, corruption, anti-terrorism, lack of whistleblower protection, human rights, civil rights, due process, as well as other issues of grave importance to all Americans.
Julia is a film and television producer, director, writer and member of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, Women In Film, the Screen Actors Guild, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association and other professional guilds and organizations. Julia was the first to produce the musical score featuring the National Ukrainian Orchestra for Paramount Pictures.
Julia has a Master’s Degree in Aviation and Spacecraft Engineering. She is multilingual and speaks several languages fluently, including English, Spanish, Russian (native speaker) and Ukrainian (native speaker).
Julia’s creative experience is vast, as an accredited producer, director, screenwriter and published author. Julia Davis is a former federal officer, having served with the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection as an Acting Supervisor. Utilizing her investigative background on Russia, Ukraine, Immigration and National Security, Julia has been featured on primetime news outlets, including CNN, HLN, Fox News, BBC, KTLA, KCLA and others, with commentary on national security, immigration, corruption, anti-terrorism, lack of whistleblower protection, human rights, civil rights, due process, as well as other issues of grave importance to all Americans.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Here she is, lying. ^
How many other times has she straightup fabricated the things she saw on “Russian State TV”?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don't know who's taking Julia Davis as credible. Isn't she the woman who used to go on Infowars years ago and say all the things that agree with your viewpoints on whistleblowers, government agency conspiracies, etc?
ren hoek
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I honestly don't know. Same name, but it's pretty common. Either way, I'm not sure anyone who touts herself on her own webpage as a recipient of "The Order of Yaruslav The Wise" is going to get my trust for anything but a D&D campaign.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I am afraid I may end up agreeing with you. This could be Watergate 2.0. It is sickening to think Trump was illegally spied on and that whole Russian investigation was created by the Dems. I have told my kids to pay attention as this may go down in history as a very dark time.Mr. Ham said:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Update. Looked her up on LinkedIn - 99% sure it's her. Former DHS, very self-aggrandizing, member of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. She's scrubbed her Infowars appearances from her list of dozens of places that have published her. And changed her hair color. But it's almost certainly her.
Author of "Top Prority: The Terror Within." She's just an opportunist. Apparently a pretty good one.
Koya
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Only dark because we actually have people believing this crap. Trump wasn't illegally spied upon and the investigation wasn't created by the Dems.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'll think about coming back to you on this, but to be clear, we're talking about how Butina will be treated when she gets home. You really doubt she will be greeted warmly and celebrated by the Kremlin?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This is why Joe is shutting this forum down. For good reason because it’s really just another venue for outright lies to be peddled as “alternate facts.”
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Koya
Footballguy
I think Joe is considering shutting this down because too few stand up and take the responsibility to say "even if I believe a post is in poor form / is "the reason" this forum is so bad, I will respond in a more constructive manner, as opposed to make the situation worse"
FWIW, I've certainly been guilty of that.
Koya
Footballguy
And to be fair to that poster, what "outright lies" do you mean? Let's be clear here in an effort to have more constructive discussion. What lies are they, and how can you show they are outright lies?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I’ll be honest, I’m at a loss as to how we respond in a rational, constructive manner to that which is irrational, irresponsible, and devoid of any shred of integrity or truth.
The bad guys won. This is exactly what they want.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
There was no spying on Trump, let alone illegal spying on Trump. A two-fer lie.
And that’s just one post.
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