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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (13 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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I wasn't referring to you, but the WH. - As for your point, it wasn't the one you wanted to make but it was the one you did make, establishing the Taliban has a long history of taking money for killing Americans. - As for Obama, what you're accusing him of is leveling sanctions against Iran for supporting terrorism and then acting diplomatically to use that to counter their behavior elsewhere. If Trump did something, anything along these lines in opposition to Russia it would be better, at least in some way minimally decent. Instead of getting shoehorned into a multination nuclear deal, Russia has been let out of one nuke deal, INF, and will soon be let out of another, START, and the Open Skies pact to boot.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Encyclopedia Brown
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American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.
The investigation into the suspected Russian covert operation to incentivize such killings has focused in part on an April 2019 car bombing that killed three Marines as one such potential attack, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter.
The new information emerged as the White House tried on Monday to play down the intelligence assessment that Russia sought to encourage and reward killings — including reiterating a claim that Mr. Trump was never briefed about the matter and portraying the conclusion as disputed and dubious.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/russian-bounty-trump.html?
The investigation into the suspected Russian covert operation to incentivize such killings has focused in part on an April 2019 car bombing that killed three Marines as one such potential attack, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter.
The new information emerged as the White House tried on Monday to play down the intelligence assessment that Russia sought to encourage and reward killings — including reiterating a claim that Mr. Trump was never briefed about the matter and portraying the conclusion as disputed and dubious.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/russian-bounty-trump.html?
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zoonation
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So, lots of smoke but no fire?
You don’t believe Trump knew about the bounty issue? And, if he only just learned about it (as if), I must have missed what he either thinks or plans to do about it.
but you’re going with: total fabrication? Really?
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https://apple.news/AvTSkqwg-TrO1wl1oBDK6FA
Not sure if posted but Bolton may have warned Trump of bounties in early 2019! If true, could this allegation have been in Bolton’s book before it was scrubbed during pre-publication review due to classified content? Seems to fit right in with the general narrative of his book.
Not sure if posted but Bolton may have warned Trump of bounties in early 2019! If true, could this allegation have been in Bolton’s book before it was scrubbed during pre-publication review due to classified content? Seems to fit right in with the general narrative of his book.
Punxsutawney Phil
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I haven't heard of many Trump voters doing a 180. It may seem like the cult is getting smaller but until people actually vote I'm not sold on Biden's 20 point lead.
Apple Jack
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Yep, I don’t know anybody here or any of my social media Trump loving contacts that have turned on this guy. If they could admire a narcissist like Trump they obviously would never have it in them to admit they were wrong. It will be Trump all the way come hell or high water.
Bucsfan5493
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I know one in real life and a couple on social media who voted for him in 2016 and won’t be this time around but yeah, the majority definitely seem to be with him until the end.
I don’t even see the more moderate Trump supporters I know breaking away from him at this point. They just shrug off every awful thing he does and say while they don’t like him as a person they’ll still vote for him because he gives us the best chance at turning around the economy quickly.
I found a place to visit and watch videos of Republicans who opposed Trump the entire time or voted for Trump in 2016 but won’t in 2020. Good place to go when you are wondering what the h*** is wrong with this country.
https://rvat.org/
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The Commish
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We've truly hit a new low when Trump's own words are "hearsay and assumptions"
Workhorse
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My elderly in-laws who are solid red voters here in GA have turned from Trump. They're simply not voting this year.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
That is fantastic to hear! I'd encourage them to vote 3rd party to make a stand that the 2 party option isn't giving them a valid option but even if they won't vote Biden, those are still votes that Trump is losing.
The Trump voter who I know in real life that flipped is also in Georgia, and I'm in Georgia as well and will be voting Biden after sitting out in 2016. Obviously you can't fully trust the polls, but they are looking much more favorable for Biden than I expected. Trump looks to be spending some ad money here too which makes me think his campaign thinks he's at some risk for possibly losing it. If GA somehow flips or is even close in November, Trump is in big trouble.
knowledge dropper
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Looks like fake news got everyone all stirred up again.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/pentagon-no-corroborating-evidence-russians-offered-bounties-troops-afghanistan/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/pentagon-no-corroborating-evidence-russians-offered-bounties-troops-afghanistan/
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
Stacey Abrams may tilt the scale for GA if she is selected. Screw Kamala, California will go blue no matter what.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
That's what I see happening with those who came this far with him but can no longer stomach him. They are just going to stay home.
sho nuff
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Fake news...yes...Breitbart is fake news...the point isn't whether there is supposed evidence of this or not...its now the President lying about whether he was briefed. You know this...so the point of this link and claiming everyone just fell for "fake news" serves what purpose?
Ilov80s
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It's always his defense. It was the defense Ben Shapiro just gave for the "white power" video. Trump doesn't have the attention span to have watched the video. He just saw the first 2 seconds with a Trump 2020 sign on a golf cart and hit RT. I love that an actual defense for the President is, he isn't capable of paying attention to anything for more than 5 seconds.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Pretty much...also, on the same note...how is that extreme vetting coming for what was supposed to be a temporary travel band (you know the one that really wasn't about banning muslims, but actually was)? I mean I know he wasn't supposed to do that personally...but maybe the guy needs to be on twitter tape delay and have someone vet his stuff before posting. That POTUS would tweet something and have "I didn't know" as an excuse is utterly ridiculous.
the moops
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Was listening to Lawfare Podcast yesterday. Had the author of The Demagogue's Playbook on. Was a fascinating listen. The description of a demagogue was so spot on it was scary. I can't remember the exact wordage, but wikipedia has a list of methods by which demagogues have manipulated and incited crowds throughout history.
And holy #### is this Trump in a nutshell or what?
Scapegoating
Fearmongering
Lying
Emotional oratory and personal charisma
Accusing opponents of weakness and disloyalty
Promising the impossible
Violence and physical intimidation
Personal insults and ridicule
Vulgarity and outrageous behavior
Folksy posturing
Gross oversimplification
Attacking the news media
And holy #### is this Trump in a nutshell or what?
Scapegoating
Fearmongering
Lying
Emotional oratory and personal charisma
Accusing opponents of weakness and disloyalty
Promising the impossible
Violence and physical intimidation
Personal insults and ridicule
Vulgarity and outrageous behavior
Folksy posturing
Gross oversimplification
Attacking the news media
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Nothing in this article is at all surprising, which is why we have more talk about some stupid guillotine display than this. But people should read this. Just painful to think that we've put our country in this man's hands.
Max Power
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One article uses a named source who confirms something. The other uses unnamed sources who claim something.
I shouldnt be surprised the non cited article is the one people consider real news. After 3.5 years of russia hoax and still in the same trap...
knowledge dropper
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The problem is these guys WANT the bad news to be true so badly they believe everything. Anonymous tipsters published by biased sources. They just lap it up.
More eligible voters did not vote than vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016, it could just be a portion of those people deciding it was worth voting this year rather than many people changing their minds.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The DOD statement is an example of how completely snafu'd up beyond all belief this administration has become.
First sentence refers to intelligence, and DOD says it has been investigating it, which is what MSM (AP, NYT, WSJ, Wapo, foreign press, hell even Stars and Stripes) has reported. Second sentence says, "open source" reports, which is, media, news sites, which reads as fake news. Third sentence says yep that thing in the first sentence is totally being taken seriously and they've been taking countermeasures on this thing which in the second sentence they just called totally false.
Meanwhile, the CIA has its own statement. - Which is consistent with the reports that this is real and is being taken seriously.
The ODNI has a statement, the former Director ODNI tweeted a statement, the WH press secretary has made statements, the President has tweeted statements on his private twitter account. All we see here is the administration in total disarray.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Breitbart is not a reliable source...KD knows this...he questions legitimate sources yet keeps trotting out BB. Its not a legitimate source.
And when someone just states Russia Hoax...its clear they don't want to actually discuss facts, legit sources...or much of anything in an honest manner.
Same trap...believing what Breitbart says...ignoring the entire conversation about what the President knew right now vs what corroborated the overall story...seems some are falling for the trap alright.
whoknew
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“The Department of Defense continues to evaluate intelligence that Russian GRU operatives were engaged in malign activity against United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan. To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports," aid Chief Pentagon Spokesman Jonathan Hoffman.
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What does this mean?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sorry...this is hilarous.
Really really funny to claim its other people believing biased sources...while defending and posting Breitbart...one of the more biased sources there is...there is no way you are serious with this...so why post it?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I dated a girl a while back who constantly accused of me of cheating, when in fact I wasn’t cheating at all. Turned out she was the one cheating on me.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It was a response to your post and did nothing to snipe you...take your own advice please and quite complaining when someone replies to your posting about them...the hypocrisy is a bit much.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
That was a general post to anther positive poster.
Regardless, thanks for the Conservative Treehouse recommendation. Good stuff.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It was a general post that was sniping other posters...clear as day.
Nothing good comes out of the Conservative Treehouse...stop the schtick. Its tired.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Another aspect to this is that per reports Trump was briefed February 27th. The peace deal with the Taliban - which IIRC also involved the Russians (don't know why they are invited to our peace deal but ok...) - happened 2 days later I believe. It seems absolutely beyond impossible to believe that the IC and NSC would not want the President to be briefed on this subject matter by his team. I also recall recently that there was a story on the administration changing who was handling the PDB, maybe redirecting it through a political appointee. Not sure if this was Kash Patel or who. This also overlaps with a new Chief of Staff and a new ODNI Director. The alternative possible versions right now are: 1. Trump was briefed and he knew, 2. Trump was briefed and he doesn't read/hear it or most of it, 3. Trump was not briefed because the lackeys around him keep out info they think will displease him. There is something really, really fd up going on here regardless.
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SaintsInDome2006
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One other aspect of this is the above, and maybe it's just coincidental, since this April 23rd report Trump has been very aggressive in overturning the VOA program, which includes RFEL, which often is a source for Russian diplomatic, intelligence and military scoop out of Europe itself.
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uwillbsoon
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"The Pentagon said in a statement late Tuesday evening that it had no corroborating evidence that Russian operatives offered bounties to the Taliban for American soldiers stationed in Afghanistan."knowledge dropper said:
I read this like four times. Checked my calendar. This story was published on Monday, June 29. Why does it say "statement late Tuesday evening..."? Even better, why hasn't that been corrected if it's supposed to be late Monday evening?
I've been working from home for a long time and have lost track of days. For a second there I thought "Is today Wednesday already?"
moleculo
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roadkill1292
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Trump to Merkel: "Oh, you just think you're so smart with your doctorate in quantum chemistry."
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HellToupee
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This simply isn’t true. Not at all.sho nuff said:
