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***The Super Bowl XLV Thread*** - Green Bay vs. Pittsburgh (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

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I didn't see an official thread so I'm starting one. This game is going to be awesome. Two great defenses, two very good big play offenses. Let the discussion begin.

 
Yeah, sports talk radio is often repetitive as it is, the next two weeks it will get unlistenable. All the "expert" fans calling in with their game plans and predictions. :wall:

 
Yeah, I don't pay a lot of attention to sports radio. I can't wait for the game. Hopefully I am able to attend. Anyone else going?

 
So the Packers apparently have an advantage over the Pittsburgh defense when they go to the spread formation. Rodgers was undeniable against the Falcons with the spread.

 
CrossEyed said:
Yeah, sports talk radio is often repetitive as it is, the next two weeks it will get unlistenable. All the "expert" fans calling in with their game plans and predictions. :wall:
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Thank God we can come here to get away from all that silliness. :goodposting:
 
Of all the interesting side-stories and connections (one being John Kuhn's superbowl ring from his brief sting as a Steeler), one of the good ones is Mike McCarthy's blue-collar Pittsburgh roots. As most Packer fans know, McCarthy's dad was a Pittsburgh firefighter and police officer and also ran a bar - "Joe McCarthy's Bar and Grill" - that was reportedly a popular hang-out for steel workers and a place where Mike grew up and later tended bar. He coached at Pitt for several years early in his career. When he was hired there was a lot of talk about about his solid, catholic, blue-collar, hard-nosed upbringing, his strong family, etc. and I think that image really appealed to Packer fans. I loved it, and I remember Ted Thompson referring repeatedly to McCarthy's Pittsburgh roots in his press conference announcing the hiring. Thompson had interviewed several top candidates, and McCarthy was a surprise to everyone. I remember Thompson going on about McCarthy's toughness and his no-nonsense attitude and I just loved it. It was exactly what I wanted to hear and what I wanted in the new Packer coach at the time.McCarthy's parents are of course still Steeler fans. I'm sure we'll be seeing them on television in the coming days.this is from an old Green Bay Press Gazette article I found from back when he was hired:

If Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson wanted a tough guy — a working stiff so to speak — to coach his football team, then that’s what he got when he hired McCarthy.“I kind of liked that Pittsburgh macho stuff,” Thompson said Thursday when he introduced McCarthy as the 14th head coach in team history. “I like the fact that he’s a tough guy.”From the beginning, McCarthy knew of no other way. He grew up in a working-class, Catholic family that included two parents, a brother and three sisters. He admitted on Thursday that he thought everyone was raised that way.“I grew up in the ’70s, primarily in Pittsburgh, and that was just a fascinating time in the neighborhood I grew up in,” McCarthy said. “The bar was packed at 8 in the morning. It was packed at 4 o’clock in the afternoon, and it was packed at midnight. That’s just the way you grew up. I just think Pittsburgh … it’s just a no-nonsense approach. You know where you stand with people. I just think people were brought up the right away.”Joe Vitt, the St. Louis Rams interim head coach this season who worked with McCarthy in Green Bay during the 1999 season, got a taste of McCarthy’s upbringing when he stopped to see him in Pittsburgh. Vitt was driving from Ocean City, Md., to Green Bay for training camp and had planned to pick up McCarthy along the way.“My son and I had the opportunity to have a Sunday afternoon dinner with his family, and you talk about old-time moral values in that family,” Vitt said. “Everybody had great respect for his mother, and his father was the tough-guy, the fireman, a shot- and-a-beer guy. Just a great family, and you understand why Mike was so successful.“They don’t come any better, any more solid, any more passionate. When times are tough, he’s going to bow his neck and set his jaw, and he’s going to get through the tough times.”
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FWIW

The Super Bowl Prediction System

Steelers in an Upset

The betting lines currently favor the Packers, but the Super Bowl Prediction system picks the Steelers.

In my Super Bowl prediction system there are 12 different indicators, each one taken by itself predicts the Super Bowl winner 55% to 67% of the time. Taken collectively, the indicators have an even better track record. The system favors the team that wins the most indicators and it has predicted 16 of the last 20 Super Bowl winners. This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.

Last year the system had the New Orleans Saints winning 7 of the 12 indicators. That also went against the grain given that the Indianapolis Colts were favored in Las Vegas. Now again, the system goes with the underdog. I like that. The system has a strong track record going against the line.

But I must admit. Last year I called it a toss-up. The prediction system has not performed well when a team wins less than eight of the indicators. Going back all-time, the system is 7-7 with less than eight indicators.

That’s not the case this year. The Steelers win nine of the twelve indicators. Teams with eight or more indicators have won 21 of 26 Super Bowls. Here is the scoreboard of all the indicators, with the best indicators at the bottom. Note that two of the three predictors that favor the Green Bay Packers are weaker ones:

Category Winning Percentage Team with Advantage

Opponent Net Passing Yards .545 Packers

Rushing Yards .568 Steelers

Points Scored .568 Packers

Rushing Yards / Attempt .591 Steelers

Opponent Rushing Yards / Attempt .591 Steelers

Fewer Net Passing Yards .614 Steelers

Turnover Differential .614 Steelers

Opponent Rushing Yards .636 Steelers

Point Differential .648 Packers

Regular Season Record .648 Steelers

Opponent Total Yards / Game .659 Steelers

Points Allowed .670 Steelers

There are five defensive indicators, four offensive ones, and three based on overall stats. The strongest indicators overall are the defensive ones.

Permission to reprint or broadcast this information is granted only if used in conjunction with the following citation: "Used with permission from John Dewan's Stat of the Week®, www.statoftheweek.com."

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I remember that as well from when McCarthy was hired. He's proven pretty hard nosed too. I like his direct approach to the media and the way he carries himself.

 
Frenchy Fuqua said:
FWIW

The Super Bowl Prediction System

Steelers in an Upset

The betting lines currently favor the Packers, but the Super Bowl Prediction system picks the Steelers.

In my Super Bowl prediction system there are 12 different indicators, each one taken by itself predicts the Super Bowl winner 55% to 67% of the time. Taken collectively, the indicators have an even better track record. The system favors the team that wins the most indicators and it has predicted 16 of the last 20 Super Bowl winners. This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.

Last year the system had the New Orleans Saints winning 7 of the 12 indicators. That also went against the grain given that the Indianapolis Colts were favored in Las Vegas. Now again, the system goes with the underdog. I like that. The system has a strong track record going against the line.

But I must admit. Last year I called it a toss-up. The prediction system has not performed well when a team wins less than eight of the indicators. Going back all-time, the system is 7-7 with less than eight indicators.

That’s not the case this year. The Steelers win nine of the twelve indicators. Teams with eight or more indicators have won 21 of 26 Super Bowls. Here is the scoreboard of all the indicators, with the best indicators at the bottom. Note that two of the three predictors that favor the Green Bay Packers are weaker ones:

Category Winning Percentage Team with Advantage

Opponent Net Passing Yards .545 Packers

Rushing Yards .568 Steelers

Points Scored .568 Packers

Rushing Yards / Attempt .591 Steelers

Opponent Rushing Yards / Attempt .591 Steelers

Fewer Net Passing Yards .614 Steelers

Turnover Differential .614 Steelers

Opponent Rushing Yards .636 Steelers

Point Differential .648 Packers

Regular Season Record .648 Steelers

Opponent Total Yards / Game .659 Steelers

Points Allowed .670 Steelers

There are five defensive indicators, four offensive ones, and three based on overall stats. The strongest indicators overall are the defensive ones.

Permission to reprint or broadcast this information is granted only if used in conjunction with the following citation: "Used with permission from John Dewan's Stat of the Week®, www.statoftheweek.com."

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nice

 
The shoulder injury to Rodgers has messed up this Super Bowl to me. Coaches lie, and this could be anything from a non-issue to something requiring major surgery after the season. Rodgers injured it in the 1st quarter of the NFC title game on the td run. He didn't play as well in the second half, which could be a result of that. His ability to run the Packer offense has a major impact on the result of this game.

A a result, I have no prediction.

 
Fensalk said:
The shoulder injury to Rodgers has messed up this Super Bowl to me. Coaches lie, and this could be anything from a non-issue to something requiring major surgery after the season. Rodgers injured it in the 1st quarter of the NFC title game on the td run. He didn't play as well in the second half, which could be a result of that. His ability to run the Packer offense has a major impact on the result of this game. A a result, I have no prediction.
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He was still firing slants hard and the deep ball.Will it be sore? Sure...thats football. but I don't see it affecting the outcome of the game.
 
Sabertooth said:
CrossEyed said:
Frenchy Fuqua said:
This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.
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Uh, that would be seventh, not sixth.
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Only five more championships to go to catch Green Bay. Of course, they will lose ground on February 6th, but a team needs goals. :confused:
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Regale us with your memories of the six championships they won during the Hoover and FDR administrations. :goodposting:
 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Sabertooth said:
CrossEyed said:
Frenchy Fuqua said:
This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.
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Uh, that would be seventh, not sixth.
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Only five more championships to go to catch Green Bay. Of course, they will lose ground on February 6th, but a team needs goals. :goodposting:
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Regale us with your memories of the six championships they won during the Hoover and FDR administrations. ;)
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This might as well be called the Don Hutson era. Just because they didn't occur in the steroid era doesn't mean they didn't happen. :goodposting:
 
Sabertooth said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Sabertooth said:
CrossEyed said:
Frenchy Fuqua said:
This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.
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Uh, that would be seventh, not sixth.
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Only five more championships to go to catch Green Bay. Of course, they will lose ground on February 6th, but a team needs goals. :X
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Regale us with your memories of the six championships they won during the Hoover and FDR administrations. :mellow:
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This might as well be called the Don Hutson era. Just because they didn't occur in the steroid era doesn't mean they didn't happen. :yes:
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The Packers won 3 world championships when Hutson played from 35-45. They won 3 in a row in 29, 30 and 31.
 
CrossEyed said:
Eric Stratton said:
Copeman said:
Who will have more fans at the game? hmmm
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StubHub also reports that Wisconsin buyers are outnumbering Pennsylvania buyers by a two-to-one ratio.http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/114525404.html
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Steeler fans don't just come from PA. I realize that's also true for Packer fans, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of out-of-state Steeler fans outnumber their Packer counterparts.
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I'd be willing to bet the number of out-of-state Packer fans will be equal to or greater than the Steelers. Packers have a large following just like the Steelers.
 
CrossEyed said:
Eric Stratton said:
They won 3 in a row in 29, 30 and 31.
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Only because Pittsburgh didn't have a team until '33. :clap:
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And it took them 14 years just to make the playoffs.That would be Pittsburgh's only playoff game for the next 25 years, though the Steelers did qualify for a "Playoff Bowl" in 1962 as the second-best team in their conference, though not considered an official playoff.I think it will be a great game with two historic franchises playing. Best of luck to the Steeler fans. Thank God we don't have to deal with Bears fans and all their nonsense. :banned:
 
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sho nuff said:
Fensalk said:
The shoulder injury to Rodgers has messed up this Super Bowl to me. Coaches lie, and this could be anything from a non-issue to something requiring major surgery after the season. Rodgers injured it in the 1st quarter of the NFC title game on the td run. He didn't play as well in the second half, which could be a result of that. His ability to run the Packer offense has a major impact on the result of this game. A a result, I have no prediction.
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He was still firing slants hard and the deep ball.Will it be sore? Sure...thats football. but I don't see it affecting the outcome of the game.
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You don't know that for sure. No-one can know that for sure. And unfortunately, it has a major impact on how to evaluate this matchup. And that's a shame, because this was a very interesting matchup to talk about until news of the shoulder injury broke.
 
Fensalk said:
sho nuff said:
Fensalk said:
The shoulder injury to Rodgers has messed up this Super Bowl to me. Coaches lie, and this could be anything from a non-issue to something requiring major surgery after the season. Rodgers injured it in the 1st quarter of the NFC title game on the td run. He didn't play as well in the second half, which could be a result of that. His ability to run the Packer offense has a major impact on the result of this game. A a result, I have no prediction.
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He was still firing slants hard and the deep ball.Will it be sore? Sure...thats football. but I don't see it affecting the outcome of the game.
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You don't know that for sure. No-one can know that for sure. And unfortunately, it has a major impact on how to evaluate this matchup. And that's a shame, because this was a very interesting matchup to talk about until news of the shoulder injury broke.
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Please stop like you said you would.
 
Looking forward to a great game!

Two classy organizations

Two superior fan bases

Two of the best improvisational QBs in the game

**** Lebeau vs. Dom Capers :drool:

Harrison vs. Matthews

The list goes on. Would be wild if it turns out like last season's regular season game.

:confused:

 
Sabertooth said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Sabertooth said:
CrossEyed said:
Frenchy Fuqua said:
This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.
Click to expand...
Uh, that would be seventh, not sixth.
Click to expand...
Only five more championships to go to catch Green Bay. Of course, they will lose ground on February 6th, but a team needs goals. :thumbup:
Click to expand...
Regale us with your memories of the six championships they won during the Hoover and FDR administrations. :thumbup:
Click to expand...
This might as well be called the Don Hutson era. Just because they didn't occur in the steroid era doesn't mean they didn't happen. :thumbup:
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I like this view--makes the Pirates a wildly successful franchise.
 
Sabertooth said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Sabertooth said:
CrossEyed said:
Frenchy Fuqua said:
This year the prediction system picks the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their sixth franchise Super Bowl and third in the last six years.
Click to expand...
Uh, that would be seventh, not sixth.
Click to expand...
Only five more championships to go to catch Green Bay. Of course, they will lose ground on February 6th, but a team needs goals. :thumbup:
Click to expand...
Regale us with your memories of the six championships they won during the Hoover and FDR administrations. :thumbup:
Click to expand...
This might as well be called the Don Hutson era. Just because they didn't occur in the steroid era doesn't mean they didn't happen. :thumbup:
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If it ain't Super Bowl era, it ain't worth bringing up.
 
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Nick Barnett now making a stink about not being allowed in the team photo. Nice distraction there Nick. I don't think he realizes that he's already played his last down as a Packer. Bishop is younger, better, and cheaper.

 
Sabertooth said:
Nick Barnett now making a stink about not being allowed in the team photo. Nice distraction there Nick. I don't think he realizes that he's already played his last down as a Packer. Bishop is younger, better, and cheaper.
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I don't think he is making a stink...he posted his thoughts...posted that he didn't want it to be a distraction.And for the most part...I agree with him.Its the Super Bowl Packers...put them all in the picture.Just a matter of when the do the picture, vs. when the guys on the IR are going down to Dallas.
 
Eric Stratton said:
CrossEyed said:
Eric Stratton said:
Copeman said:
Who will have more fans at the game? hmmm
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StubHub also reports that Wisconsin buyers are outnumbering Pennsylvania buyers by a two-to-one ratio.http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/114525404.html
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Steeler fans don't just come from PA. I realize that's also true for Packer fans, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of out-of-state Steeler fans outnumber their Packer counterparts.
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I'd be willing to bet the number of out-of-state Packer fans will be equal to or greater than the Steelers. Packers have a large following just like the Steelers.
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Plus (and this is not meant to be a dig at all, just stating a fact) many of those Steelers fans that travel so well have shelled out thousands to go see them play in the big one in Detroit or Tampa over the past 5 years. I think the Packer fans will be more apt to spend the time and money to get to the game. Given that their national fan base is almost as big and as passionate as that of the Steelers, I think Packer fans will outnumber Steeler fans at this game.
 
sho nuff said:
Sabertooth said:
Nick Barnett now making a stink about not being allowed in the team photo. Nice distraction there Nick. I don't think he realizes that he's already played his last down as a Packer. Bishop is younger, better, and cheaper.
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I don't think he is making a stink...he posted his thoughts...posted that he didn't want it to be a distraction.And for the most part...I agree with him.Its the Super Bowl Packers...put them all in the picture.Just a matter of when the do the picture, vs. when the guys on the IR are going down to Dallas.
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If he didn't want to be a distraction, he shouldn't have posted anything at all.
 
One thing I think we all can agree on - can we get past the frigging Jay Cutler thing already in the national media and actually TALK ABOUT THE GAME ?!?!?!? :goodposting:

I have to admit, the Packers scare the crap out of me. I went into both of the Steelers last two Super Bowls very confident that they'd win. This one, I think, is a coin flip.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Eric Stratton said:
CrossEyed said:
Eric Stratton said:
Copeman said:
Who will have more fans at the game? hmmm
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StubHub also reports that Wisconsin buyers are outnumbering Pennsylvania buyers by a two-to-one ratio.http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/114525404.html
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Steeler fans don't just come from PA. I realize that's also true for Packer fans, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of out-of-state Steeler fans outnumber their Packer counterparts.
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I'd be willing to bet the number of out-of-state Packer fans will be equal to or greater than the Steelers. Packers have a large following just like the Steelers.
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Plus (and this is not meant to be a dig at all, just stating a fact) many of those Steelers fans that travel so well have shelled out thousands to go see them play in the big one in Detroit or Tampa over the past 5 years. I think the Packer fans will be more apt to spend the time and money to get to the game. Given that their national fan base is almost as big and as passionate as bigger and more passionate than that of the Steelers, I think Packer fans will outnumber Steeler fans at this game.
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fixed that for you.
 
It's funny that we're bickering about who has the better fanbase. I think both fanbases are amazing so it would be near impossible to rank them. This isn't going to be like the Steelers/Cardinals superbowl from 2 years ago.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
It's funny that we're bickering about who has the better fanbase. I think both fanbases are amazing so it would be near impossible to rank them. This isn't going to be like the Steelers/Cardinals superbowl from 2 years ago.
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It's the lack of SB rings, makes them feel inferior
 
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