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The Top 300 Greatest TV Shows of All Time: FBG Consensus: 50 Lists received. 2: Seinfeld 1: Breaking Bad (9 Viewers)

I actually just read that they first considered Gandolfini for Nucky because they said he had a strong physical resemblance to the real guy but after having been Tony Soprano, that seems like a bad idea. Brings too much similar baggage. Sounds like they went with Buscemi because Scorsese wanted to work with him.
I just looked up Enoch L. (Nucky) Johnson who the character was based on. In a photo from 1941 he looks like Mandy Patinkin. Mind you, Enoch was 58 in 1941.
I can't think of a younger actor that would be a fit for the part.
I do remember I found the younger actor that played young Nucky distracting due to the prosthetic teeth.
 
Succession is so good, feel like I underrated it at 6th. There’s so much subtle stuff I don’t want to spoil but like

never mind to tired of spoilers

Tom and Greg, just despicable characters yet in a way you want to root for them, or at least respect them in the game

Logan was so great to, could say so much just by saying “uh huh” or “f off”

boar on the floor :lmao:
 
OMG The Shield just added Forest Whitaker. Has there ever been a greater cast for a TV show holy hell. Even the guy who plays Dutch is always great in everything I see him in.
 
Succession is so good, feel like I underrated it at 6th. There’s so much subtle stuff I don’t want to spoil but like

never mind to tired of spoilers

Tom and Greg, just despicable characters yet in a way you want to root for them, or at least respect them in the game

Logan was so great to, could say so much just by saying “uh huh” or “f off”

boar on the floor :lmao:
I think my favorite moment was the karaoke of Leonard Cohen’s Famous Blue Raincoat. Not sure if I was just drunk enough to laugh my *** off while watching, but hit me just right.

 
Speaking of Succession, is it just me or was anyone else confused throughout the entire series trying to decide if Siobhan was smoking hot or completely uncomely? I think I eventually settled on smoke show.
 
The BSG reboot started out great and deteriorated as it went along, to the point it was laughable for me by the end.
I don't quite get this but there is an explanation for how things ended up in season 4 and it has to do with the writers strike
The 2007-2008 Writers Guild of America strike did, however, significantly impact the production and writing of Battlestar Galactica's final season:

  1. Production halt: Only the first half of the final season's episodes were completed before the strike caused production to stop3.
  2. Potential early ending: There was a possibility that the show might have ended earlier than planned due to the strike. Ronald D. Moore, the show's creator, had considered using the mid-season finale "Revelations" as a potential series finale if the strike prevented production from restarting1.
  3. Rethinking the ending: The strike actually gave the writers an opportunity to reconsider and revise their plans for the show's conclusion. Ronald D. Moore stated that they rewrote the second half of the season after the strike ended, making changes to improve the story6.
  4. Altered finale structure: The original script for the series finale had a non-linear structure and was much longer, with the initial cut being close to four hours. The strike and subsequent revisions led to a more linear structure in the aired version7.
Much is made about what Starbuck was supposed to be. IMO it's not difficult - she's an angel. Which is not problematic to the story which had a spiritual element running all throughout the story all along.
I loved this frakking show and thought it absolutely stuck the landing.

So say we all.
 
Succession is so good, feel like I underrated it at 6th. There’s so much subtle stuff I don’t want to spoil but like

never mind to tired of spoilers

Tom and Greg, just despicable characters yet in a way you want to root for them, or at least respect them in the game

Logan was so great to, could say so much just by saying “uh huh” or “f off”

boar on the floor :lmao:
Lester's funeral scene with Con and Willa was the best. "Lester touched all of us".

 

33 - Succession​

Drama
Score: 730
Average Rank: 25.4

The Roy family is known for controlling the biggest media and entertainment company in the world. However, their world changes when their father steps down from the company.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Maik Jeaunz 4
:pickle:Eephus 4
:pickle:Frostillicus 4
:pickle:Dan Lambskin 6
ilov80s 14
Barry2 17
shuke 19
Don Quixote 19
McBokonon 20
Yo Mama 23
zamboni 24
landrys hat 35
Dr Octopus 44
Instinctive 46
krista4 60
kupcho1 67
Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
 

33 - Succession​

Drama
Score: 730
Average Rank: 25.4

The Roy family is known for controlling the biggest media and entertainment company in the world. However, their world changes when their father steps down from the company.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Maik Jeaunz 4
:pickle:Eephus 4
:pickle:Frostillicus 4
:pickle:Dan Lambskin 6
ilov80s 14
Barry2 17
shuke 19
Don Quixote 19
McBokonon 20
Yo Mama 23
zamboni 24
landrys hat 35
Dr Octopus 44
Instinctive 46
krista4 60
kupcho1 67
Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.

Uh huh
 

33 - Succession​

Drama
Score: 730
Average Rank: 25.4

The Roy family is known for controlling the biggest media and entertainment company in the world. However, their world changes when their father steps down from the company.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Maik Jeaunz 4
:pickle:Eephus 4
:pickle:Frostillicus 4
:pickle:Dan Lambskin 6
ilov80s 14
Barry2 17
shuke 19
Don Quixote 19
McBokonon 20
Yo Mama 23
zamboni 24
landrys hat 35
Dr Octopus 44
Instinctive 46
krista4 60
kupcho1 67
Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
It was good…..but not top 70 worthy for me.
 

33 - Succession​

Drama
Score: 730
Average Rank: 25.4

The Roy family is known for controlling the biggest media and entertainment company in the world. However, their world changes when their father steps down from the company.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Maik Jeaunz 4
:pickle:Eephus 4
:pickle:Frostillicus 4
:pickle:Dan Lambskin 6
ilov80s 14
Barry2 17
shuke 19
Don Quixote 19
McBokonon 20
Yo Mama 23
zamboni 24
landrys hat 35
Dr Octopus 44
Instinctive 46
krista4 60
kupcho1 67
Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
The (dis)likability factor is a big driver of what makes the show. It’s a bunch of deplorable - yet very interesting - characters.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
 
Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse.
I've always thought that one of the points of shows like BB/Better Call Saul was that there weren't really any "good guys" but instead various shades of bad. Characters who might think they are doing the right thing by their families etc. but instead get immersed in the criminal culture, to the detriment of everyone around them.

I did like the eventual cleansing of Jesse in the follow-up movie.
 
33 - Succession
Great show.

The intensity between the characters always felt so real and authentic that it wasn't a surprise that after the show ended stories began leaking of the tension between actors, in particular Strong and Cox.

Strong with his unending method acting for every single scene, no matter how small, and Cox with the "grip it and rip it" style could barely could get through a day without bringing the production to a screeching halt.

I have held the personal theory that the writers secretly made Connor the adult Cameron Frye. Logan was the aloof father who cared more about status and material possessions than his son, and Connor grew up unloved, aimless and emotionally incapacitated.
 
33 - Succession
Great show.

The intensity between the characters always felt so real and authentic that it wasn't a surprise that after the show ended stories began leaking of the tension between actors, in particular Strong and Cox.

Strong with his unending method acting for every single scene, no matter how small, and Cox with the "grip it and rip it" style could barely could get through a day without bringing the production to a screeching halt.

I have held the personal theory that the writers secretly made Connor the adult Cameron Frye. Logan was the aloof father who cared more about status and material possessions than his son, and Connor grew up unloved, aimless and emotionally incapacitated.
Cox made the show. It was really good with him, not so good without him. Getting through the last season was a slog.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
I think Breaking Bad is Top 10 all time for TV.
I liked many of the characters.
It was inventive and took so many unexpected turns.
Overall I thought it was great from beginning to end.
 
Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse.
I've always thought that one of the points of shows like BB/Better Call Saul was that there weren't really any "good guys" but instead various shades of bad. Characters who might think they are doing the right thing by their families etc. but instead get immersed in the criminal culture, to the detriment of everyone around them.

I did like the eventual cleansing of Jesse in the follow-up movie.
Well said.

Unlike Succession where I couldn't care less about any of the characters despite the very good performances.
I think it's a polarizing show.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
I think Breaking Bad is Top 10 all time for TV.
I liked many of the characters.
It was inventive and took so many unexpected turns.
Overall I thought it was great from beginning to end.
Well, I'll be shocked if it's not top 5 in this countdown. Legit contender for #1 overall.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
I think Breaking Bad is Top 10 all time for TV.
I liked many of the characters.
It was inventive and took so many unexpected turns.
Overall I thought it was great from beginning to end.
Well, I'll be shocked if it's not top 5 in this countdown. Legit contender for #1 overall.

I've thought that it will be #1.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
I think Breaking Bad is Top 10 all time for TV.
I liked many of the characters.
It was inventive and took so many unexpected turns.
Overall I thought it was great from beginning to end.
Well, I'll be shocked if it's not top 5 in this countdown. Legit contender for #1 overall.

I've thought that it will be #1.
I could see 2 other possibilities and 3 dark horses. I think those 6 are locks for top 10 and #1 will be one of them.
 

33 - Succession​

Yeah, this is just a big miss for me. I can't get into shows where I literally dislike everyone. And the business side of things was too absurd, too.
I'm curious how you felt about Breaking Bad. I am typically the same as you and it took me about three tries to make it through season 1 of Breaking Bad just because I hated just about everyone but Jesse. I ended up really enjoying BB. I think with Succession, it took me awhile to figure out that all of the characters were deplorable, so by the time I hated them all, I was already vested in the show. It was top 100 but didn't make my top 70 for whatever reason.
I think Breaking Bad is Top 10 all time for TV.
I liked many of the characters.
It was inventive and took so many unexpected turns.
Overall I thought it was great from beginning to end.
Well, I'll be shocked if it's not top 5 in this countdown. Legit contender for #1 overall.

I've thought that it will be #1.
I could see 2 other possibilities and 3 dark horses. I think those 6 are locks for top 10 and #1 will be one of them.
I assumed BB or BCS would be #1 and the other likely top 5.

I have a dark horse as well, but I was only on season 3 with my wife when we turned in lists. It would be my number one if I had finished it.

And The Shield would now certainly appear in my top 15, maybe even higher.
 
I'll be shocked if BCS is top 5.

ETA: I had it at 41 and have never actually finished it. I find parts of it to be too nonsensical. Like there is any way Kim, with all she has to offer, stays with Jimmy/Saul that long. And the love/hate flip flopping between the brothers is way over the top.
 
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I'll be shocked if BCS is top 5.

ETA: I had it at 41 and have never actually finished it. I find parts of it to be too nonsensical. Like there is any way Kim, with all she has to offer, stays with Jimmy/Saul that long. And the love/hate flip flopping between the brothers is way over the top.
I haven't seen BCS yet, so don't be spilling too many beans.
 

36 - Battlestar Galactica (2004)​

Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 699
Average Rank: 24.4
There are few shows that I recorded and watched twice in an evening, discussed with co-workers at lunch the next day, and bought season dvds the day they were released. BSG is one of those shows. The first episode, post miniseries, 33, is one of my favorite episodes of any series and I re-watch it all the time. The intrigue of who was on which side was great. The characters were well developed and several were flawed to the point I believe they were insane. The final season was silly, but I find that to be true of most series.

"33" is so good. Maybe the most intense 45 minutes you'll ever watch on a television screen.
Best of Both Worlds: Parts 1 and 2 down?
 

36 - Battlestar Galactica (2004)​

Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror
Score: 699
Average Rank: 24.4
There are few shows that I recorded and watched twice in an evening, discussed with co-workers at lunch the next day, and bought season dvds the day they were released. BSG is one of those shows. The first episode, post miniseries, 33, is one of my favorite episodes of any series and I re-watch it all the time. The intrigue of who was on which side was great. The characters were well developed and several were flawed to the point I believe they were insane. The final season was silly, but I find that to be true of most series.

"33" is so good. Maybe the most intense 45 minutes you'll ever watch on a television screen.
Best of Both Worlds: Parts 1 and 2 down?

Definitely some of the greatest television episodes ever. But I don't get the same visceral reaction as when I watch "33."
 

35 - Monty Python’s Flying Circus​

Comedy
Score: 705
Average Rank: 26.9

The original surreal sketch comedy showcase for the Monty Python troupe.

List Breakdown

:pickle: :pickle: @Eephus 1
:pickle:Pip's Invitation 3
:pickle:John Madden's Lunchbox 7
:pickle:Don Quixote 7
:pickle:Binky 8
Atomic Punk 12
Hastur 15
gr00vus 24
Rand al Thor 30
Yo Mama 32
Scoresman 41
Psychopav 43
Runkle 43
Chaos34 48
kupcho1 56
timschochet 61
The Pythons redefined comedy, in format, subject matter and delivery. They were as impactful on comedy as the Beatles were on music. As a tween and teen I huffed down whatever episodes I could get on PBS.

We almost never got to hear of them in the States, though. After the show’s conclusion, despite its popularity, the BBC was planning to tape over the master copies, which was common practice back then because of how expensive film was. Terry Jones convinced them not to. And then a deal with PBS was struck to air it in the States.
 

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.
 

35 - Monty Python’s Flying Circus​

Comedy
Score: 705
Average Rank: 26.9

The original surreal sketch comedy showcase for the Monty Python troupe.

List Breakdown

:pickle: :pickle: @Eephus 1
:pickle:Pip's Invitation 3
:pickle:John Madden's Lunchbox 7
:pickle:Don Quixote 7
:pickle:Binky 8
Atomic Punk 12
Hastur 15
gr00vus 24
Rand al Thor 30
Yo Mama 32
Scoresman 41
Psychopav 43
Runkle 43
Chaos34 48
kupcho1 56
timschochet 61
The Pythons redefined comedy, in format, subject matter and delivery. They were as impactful on comedy as the Beatles were on music. As a tween and teen I huffed down whatever episodes I could get on PBS.

We almost never got to hear of them in the States, though. After the show’s conclusion, despite its popularity, the BBC was planning to tape over the master copies, which was common practice back then because of how expensive film was. Terry Jones convinced them not to. And then a deal with PBS was struck to air it in the States.
The comedy style was so alien (at least, to me). Not the format so much, though the animated stuff was really different, but that type of humor. I "got" Carol Burnette, even if some of the jokes went over my head a bit as a kid. I had to readjust my thinking to get into the Flying Circus.

Awesome show with incredibly creative people. Great stoner show, too.

I saw Spamelot at the National Theatre in D.C. 16 or 17 years ago. It was a freaking riot.
 

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.
There are two cliches you often hear from consumers about artists like Chappelle:

1. "I separate art from the artist"
2. "Most brilliant artists are troubled/problematic"

I'm too old, too lazy, and too much of a hypocrite to parse every artist's set of values. I'll never attend one of Chappelle's shows or order a PPV, but that doesn't mean I don't find him hilarious.
 
No spoiler I’m sure, but realized I overlooked ABC Afterschool Specials for the countdown. Have to be of a certain age, but those were must-see TV, and in several cases, groundbreaking for its time.
 

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.
There are two cliches you often hear from consumers about artists like Chappelle:

1. "I separate art from the artist"
2. "Most brilliant artists are troubled/problematic"

I'm too old, too lazy, and too much of a hypocrite to parse every artist's set of values. I'll never attend one of Chappelle's shows or order a PPV, but that doesn't mean I don't find him hilarious.
Wow. You guys talk like he's Bill Cosby.

Guess he's right, he has basically been cancelled for telling "offensive" jokes about the untouchables.
 
Guess he's right, he has basically been cancelled for telling "offensive" jokes about the untouchables.

It's not just his topical humor these days.

It's his weird attitude towards his old show (including the people who enjoyed it) and doing things like coming to Hartford, CT, (where I grew up) and refusing to perform any comedy because you think the area is racist. People paid like fifty bucks for tickets so he could go off on the area they lived in without really knowing anything about it. Bad form. Surly dude who is a misanthrope. That's my two cents. He's not Cosby because of the transgender thing. Don't get that twisted. He puts people ill at ease because of his views and his expressing them at inconvenient and some would say (I would definitely say) inappropriate times that bring to mind "bite the hand that feeds" and all that rot.

My personal opinion is from someone (me) who didn't catch the show when it aired in the aughts but caught it after he caught consciousness and I read about it (things like hating his audience and where he was going in life, what America was like, and weird **** like blaming people for laughing at the race humor he was doing just a little too hard—but Dave, most of your show was predicated on racial humor and you don't know why people are laughing!). Anyway, stuff like that.

Good riddance from my world, Kemosabe. Ride off into the sunset of the once and future famous.
 
Guess he's right, he has basically been cancelled for telling "offensive" jokes about the untouchables.

It's not just his topical humor these days.

It's his weird attitude towards his old show (including the people who enjoyed it) and doing things like coming to Hartford, CT, (where I grew up) and refusing to perform any comedy because you think the area is racist. People paid like fifty bucks for tickets so he could go off on the area they lived in without really knowing anything about it. Bad form. Surly dude who is a misanthrope. That's my two cents. He's not Cosby because of the transgender thing. Don't get that twisted. He puts people ill at ease because of his views and his expressing them at inconvenient and some would say (I would definitely say) inappropriate times that bring to mind "bite the hand that feeds" and all that rot.

My personal opinion is from someone (me) who didn't catch the show when it aired in the aughts but caught it after he caught consciousness and I read about it (things like hating his audience and where he was going in life, what America was like, and weird **** like blaming people for laughing at the race humor he was doing just a little too hard—but Dave, most of your show was predicated on racial humor and you don't know why people are laughing!). Anyway, stuff like that.

Good riddance from my world, Kemosabe. Ride off into the sunset of the once and future famous.
I'd done some digging and didn't run across much of that.

I think what the 2 posts I quoted were referring to the same thing I was, but that's an assumption on my part and could be wrong. The vast majority of the public Chappelle criticism is the one issue.

Lots of comedians get into criticizing that which made them famous and mocking their audience so he's not breaking new ground there.
 
I'd done some digging and didn't run across much of that.

That's because you must have done only light digging after the transgender controversy, which dwarfed everything else he did. I had followed him somewhat and then even more after the Hartford thing because I still lived there when it happened. (I did not attend because I figured it would be an uncomfortable and bitter race humor night because I'd heard him talk about his show and his new attitude about it, including converting to Islam as his new religion, and my suspicions were duly confirmed.)

You can chalk people's distaste up to the big transgender issue, but I don't think that's what we're all reacting to, at least those of us that knew of him and about him before the whole thing became a ridiculous conflagration with two emotional sides arguing about a flashpoint issue and making each other look even worse than they had looked before when a neutral observer might have been unable to imagine it any worse than it already was.

Here's the Hartford thing. For a race-centric take, read NPR and remember what NPR is: https://www.npr.org/2013/09/06/219762592/after-dave-chappelle-hates-on-hartford-whos-to-blame

For a quote about why he hated his own show, see Slate Magazine:

"One of the reasons Chappelle abandoned his sketch comedy series at its peak of popularity was that he grew uncomfortable with the response to his racially charged humor from white audiences. During the taping of an ill-fated sketch in which he donned blackface as a “black-pixie” who prodded black people to perform as stereotypes, Chappelle noticed that one white male audience member seemed to find it a little too funny. 'When he laughed, it made me uncomfortable,” he said. “As a matter of fact, that was the last thing I shot before I told myself I gotta take ****ing time out after this. Because my head almost exploded.' Lewis’ reading of Thursday night’s performance seems plausible given this history."'

Yeah, Dave, that white guy laughing thing seems real rational and with it.

So Jayrod, this was hardly a "digging" effort. I remember it from way back when and was able to find it easily, down to the quote in Slate I was thinking of. It was like front-and-center. I think you're too worried about that flashpoint cause and not about why people might also dislike him. It's like missing the forest for the trees.
 
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I'd done some digging and didn't run across much of that.

That's because you must have done only light digging after the transgender controversy, which dwarfed everything else he did. I had followed him somewhat and then even more after the Hartford thing because I still lived there when it happened. (I did not attend because I figured it would be an uncomfortable and bitter race humor night because I'd heard him talk about his show and his new attitude about it, including converting to Islam as his new religion, and my suspicions were duly confirmed.)

You can chalk people's distaste up to the big transgender issue, but I don't think that's what we're all reacting to, at least those of us that knew of him and about him before the whole thing became a ridiculous conflagration with two emotional sides arguing about a flashpoint issue and making each other look even worse than they had looked before when a neutral observer might have been unable to imagine it any worse than it already was.

Here's the Hartford thing. For a race-centric take, read NPR and remember what NPR is: https://www.npr.org/2013/09/06/219762592/after-dave-chappelle-hates-on-hartford-whos-to-blame

For a quote about why he hated his own show, see Slate Magazine:

"One of the reasons Chappelle abandoned his sketch comedy series at its peak of popularity was that he grew uncomfortable with the response to his racially charged humor from white audiences. During the taping of an ill-fated sketch in which he donned blackface as a “black-pixie” who prodded black people to perform as stereotypes, Chappelle noticed that one white male audience member seemed to find it a little too funny. 'When he laughed, it made me uncomfortable,” he said. “As a matter of fact, that was the last thing I shot before I told myself I gotta take ****ing time out after this. Because my head almost exploded.' Lewis’ reading of Thursday night’s performance seems plausible given this history."'

Yeah, Dave, that white guy laughing thing seems real rational and with it.

So Jayrod, this was hardly a "digging" effort. I remember it from way back when and was able to find it easily, down to the quote in Slate I was thinking of. It was like front-and-center. I think you're too worried about that flashpoint cause and not about why people might also dislike him. It's like missing the forest for the trees.
Ok, sorry I'm not as up to speed as you, but if I can't find a mention of what you're talking about in the first 2 pages of a Google search or after going through this entire article, your knowledge of Dave Chappelle's controverises is likely deeper than the vast majority of the population.

Assuming everyone's knowledge is as limited as mine is no more shortsighted than you assuming everyone's knowledge is as extensive as yours. The Hartford show issue you keep bringing up is at least in part fueled by your proximity and personal connection to it. And Dave's reasons for departing his show has been hinted at but not very explicitly explained in anything I'd read or heard.

I'll drop it, but I resent the insinuation that I'm some partisan hack rube who is willfully ignorant and I also doubt the average person who dislikes Chapelle is as up on him as you are and likely knows no more about his controversies than I did before today.
 
I'll drop it, but I resent the insinuation that I'm some partisan hack rube who is willfully ignorant and I also doubt the average person who dislikes Chapelle is as up on him as you are and likely knows no more about his controversies than I did before today.

There was no insinuation of any of that and you’re either gaspingly hyper-sensitive or just good with straw men.

And considering I barely knew who Chappelle was but read an article from the front page of a magazine at the grocery store to hear about him leaving this show that was a phenomenon I had until then not known about, then yes, I’m going to assume that ignorance of his controversial self before the transgender thing does mean (and I mean this figuratively and pejoratively) you were living under the heaviest of rocks. If I knew about him, given my experience and the fact that he was in every publication at the time, I’m assuming most people did.

And yes I’m from Hartford, so that colors that story a bit (do you think I’m unaware of that?). But only because it crystallized my own perspective and not because of the story’s size or import. It was immediate and big national news as evidenced by the NPR and Slate articles I linked or culled from. It was the lead entertainment news of the month precisely because Chappelle was so huge by that point.

And I would say you’re concentrating on the trans issue because you’ve written at length about it before, brought it into conversations, and even tried to start your own thread on it that drew vitriol from The_Man and was promptly axed by mods. I would say you seeing Chappelle in this light is both unsurprising and also not indicative of how most of us heard of him. In short, you’re doing exactly what you accuse me of: taking your own experience and extrapolating it out to everyone else’s. Don’t mean to make an enemy or have bad feelings today, but I can assure you that most if not almost all the people in this thread know him from a different issue or show and knew of him way prior to 2020.
 
"I'm too old, too lazy, and too much of a hypocrite to parse every artist's set of values. I'll never attend one of Chappelle's shows or order a PPV, but that doesn't mean I don't find him hilarious."

Chapppellle''s Show got rated really highly by the collective here, nobody has said they didn't rate it because of some political reason. We've seen offensive people and shows already on the list and will continue to see them as we get deeper into the rankings. I ranked a bunch of them, like South Park and Family Guy, which go harder than the boomer shows that people like to think couldn't be made anymore. I'm watching It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia right now and they do truly heinous things in pretty much every episode against every subset of the population - 8 episodes in and they've gotten scared by a black boyfriend, freaked out about gay and trans people, complained about not being molested, pretended to be disabled... and it's a funny show.

We've seen more complaints in here about people's voice tone than their political views. When I don't show up on the All in the Family rankings, it's not me cancelling the show or thinking it's too offensive. It's that Archie and Edith's voices sounded like my dad's annoying family. I get annoyed by the New Jersey accent to the point where I can't listen to Al Michaels talking about Booltimore running the bool.
 
No spoiler I’m sure, but realized I overlooked ABC Afterschool Specials for the countdown. Have to be of a certain age, but those were must-see TV, and in several cases, groundbreaking for its time.
One I thought about after submitting my list was Schoolhouse Rock, but I’m not sure if that would necessarily qualify for these rankings for some since they’re just a bunch of short interludes.

Saturday cartoons wouldn’t be the same without it, and I bet a lot of us can still sing along to a bunch of those songs.

Sorry for the spoiler if it somehow is still to be ranked.
 

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.

34 - Chappelle’s Show, Chapele's Show, Chapelle Show, Chapelles Show, Chappeles Show (take your pick)​

Comedy
Score: 713
Average Rank: 33.5

Comedian Dave Chappelle hosts this sketch-comedy show that parodies many of the nuances of race and culture.

List Breakdown

:pickle: Keith R 3
Jayrod 11
Pip's Invitation 12
John Madden's Lunchbox 16
Hastur 21
Runkle 25
gr00vus 28
ilov80s 31
Binky 32
Nick Vermeil 32
Don Quixote 36
The Gator 43
Sullie 43
AAABatteries 45
Yo Mama 48
whoknew 49
Maik Jeaunz 51
Rand al Thor 52
KarmaPolice 58
In my various circles of friends, in the mid-00s, no gathering went by without at least one reference to a Chappelle’s Show character or sketch. It was hilarious and broke boundaries. And those first two seasons still hold up even though we know now that Dave is a weird and somewhat problematic dude.
There are two cliches you often hear from consumers about artists like Chappelle:

1. "I separate art from the artist"
2. "Most brilliant artists are troubled/problematic"

I'm too old, too lazy, and too much of a hypocrite to parse every artist's set of values. I'll never attend one of Chappelle's shows or order a PPV, but that doesn't mean I don't find him hilarious.
Wow. You guys talk like he's Bill Cosby.

Guess he's right, he has basically been cancelled for telling "offensive" jokes about the untouchables.

He’s doing pretty well for someone who’s been “cancelled.” He had another big Netflix special last year, hosted SNL in January and won his sixth Grammy for best comedy album last month.
 
No spoiler I’m sure, but realized I overlooked ABC Afterschool Specials for the countdown. Have to be of a certain age, but those were must-see TV, and in several cases, groundbreaking for its time.
One I thought about after submitting my list was Schoolhouse Rock, but I’m not sure if that would necessarily qualify for these rankings for some since they’re just a bunch of short interludes.

Saturday cartoons wouldn’t be the same without it, and I bet a lot of us can still sing along to a bunch of those songs.

Sorry for the spoiler if it somehow is still to be ranked.
At the video store I would mess around and see what got the most comments when I put it in. Schoolhouse Rock got the most complaints by far. :lol:
 

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