Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
The Trent Richardson Thread (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter False Start
- Start date
ghostguy123
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
and i didn't know they added those spots.
Salaam summed it up well. Unfortunately you will never hear that from Richardson and that is his biggest problem. It's always, "I'm injured" or "this offense isn't the right fit for me". If he would own up to being a lazy piece of crap and stop making excuses he might be able to put an ok season together. Won't ever happen while he lives in denial.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Richardson will be able to blame his struggles in 2015 on a crummy team.
georg013
Footballguy
April Fool's Joke???
Trent Richardson's Ultimate Highlights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nllBymz_pM
Trent Richardson's Ultimate Highlights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nllBymz_pM
Seems about right to me. It also matches where I see him go in dynasty startups. I myself turned down a very late 2nd after the OAK move was announced. Most owners who have stuck with him so far have nothing to lose. If you made it through all his garbage so far, why sell for a random flier now?
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
I inherited him in a league... I'd give him away for a 2nd easily. I'd buy for a late 3rd.
cstu
Footballguy
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
What's a 4-5 league?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
nothing better than when the poster gets into their characterslackjawedyokel said:
OH YEEEAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That video does refute the notion that he looked terrible with the Browns and was purely a "compiler" of statistics. While he didn't have a great ypc to end the season, he did show flashes of being at least a very solid running back that could be dominant with some fine tuning of his game.
I really believe being out of shape and otherwise also lacking proper motivation to improve himself has been his downfall thus far. He could salvage being at least a decent running back if he puts some work in. It's hard to believe (based on some of his comments) that he will ever reach that realization on his own though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
"I tried to buy him for a third in 4 or 5 different leagues that I'm in. I did not even get a counter offer in any of those leagues."slackjawedyokel said:
Interesting theory, even if a bit it feels a bit biased:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2015/3/17/8238795/trent-richardson-a-perspective-from-sbnations-rollbamaroll
I am a recruiting analyst over at the SB Nation site RollBamaRoll. Take this with a grain of salt, as I am a little biased, but I take pride in trying to be objective. I have been watching Trent Richardson since he was in high school, and here is what I can tell you about the maligned running back:
Back in high school, he set all kinds of records and was the #2 overall back that year (behind Bryce Brown). He played in the 205-210 range, and had sub 4.5 speed. To me, his best trait then was not his strength nor his speed, but his lower body balance. It seemed that no matter how he got hit, he always kept his feet under him.
He came into Alabama with a lot of hype as a freshman, but didn’t get too much playing time his first few games as Mark Ingram was exploding for the start of his heisman season. In the first game Richardson got some meaningful carries, this happened:
He also got to do some kick returns (and returned one for a TD) based on his speed and open field ability
In 2010, the Tide returned pretty much everyone on offense from the 2009 championship squad, but things went awry. The OC got pass happy, and Mark Ingram had knee surgery. The offense was based around Julio Jones that year (understandably), but Richardson was better than Ingram at pretty much everything. Faster, stronger, and more aggressive at the LOS.
In 2011, the entire offense left. Alabama lost Julio, most of the offensive line, Ingram, and two year starter at QB, McElroy. In 2011, Trent Richardson was the offense. He brute force carried the team that season, at it showed in his play style. He bulked up to around 225-230, and became a monster (just slightly slower). I have never seen anything like it. He was stopped only because of forward progress or out of bounds lines, not because he touched the ground. What always impressed me more than his big flashy plays (LIKE THIS ONE) were the plays that never made highlight reels. His ability to push all four d-lineman for an extra two yards when they beat the inexperience offensive line into the backfield. At some point in his junior season, he was squatting well over 700 poundsand benching over 500. He said he could easily do more, but the coaches wouldn’t let him for health/flexibility/speed reasons.
As a person, he always seemed to be a very standout guy and hard worker. He was quiet off the field, raised his daughter affectionately, and one time some media person found him going to prom with a cancer survivor girl from some small high school in Alabama. He had a reputation around campus for spending all of his time in the weight and film rooms.
He had great open field lateral ability and acceleration to go along with well-above average top end speed. He struck defenders harder than they could hit him, always kept his feet pushing in piles, and could make anything out of nothing. Coming out of Alabama at the time, I thought he had only one weakness: no patience at the line of scrimmage. It often led to him charging headlong into the offensive lineman’s butts. (though he often pushed the O-lineman and D-lineman forward 3 yards with the violence of it).
When he was drafted as high as 3rd, I was ecstatic. I didn’t see much of his play at the browns other than the highlights (he had some pretty impressive ones, but also only had like 3.9 YPC), but it was also revealed he played almost the whole season with broken ribs.
When he was traded to the Colts, I got worried. How could a player go from a team mid season to another (who not only had a different playbook, everything, but also a different running/blocking scheme) and still be expected to perform at a 3rd overall level?
The colts gave him very few chances in the first year, and he was extremely hesitant in his running in the few chances he had. I expected it and thought that it was understandable, given the situation. Then 2014 happened. I watched as many colts games as I could, and I really don’t know what happened to Richardson. The blocking was improved this year but he got worse. He seemed to go lateral every run, rather than north and south. He looked like he was running in molasses, rather than the powerful acceleration I was used to seeing. He went down easily to leg tackles, and missed when he tried to lower his shoulder into defenders. The one game I watched that he seemed to be getting a bit of a spark, he inexplicably fumbled (which he NEVER did in college… like 3-4 his whole career) and was benched for a while.
I don’t know if the old Richardson is still in there. I personally believe (playing armchair psychiatrist) that the trade and lack of impact with the colts in his first season led to confidence issues. In order to remedy, he did what many men turn to: lifting weights. At Alabama, he was banned from becoming too muscular. I would be willing to bet a pro team didn’t place such restrictions on him, and he lost all of his flexibility and movement while trying to bolster his ego in weight lifting.
I am hoping the Raiders can resurrect him. I am a Seahawks fan NFL-wise, and remember both the offseason and regular season game against you guys. Derek Carr left all kinds of good impressions on me, as did your teams general attitude towards the game. They looked like they were having fun. It would be really cool for Richardson to have his former tenacity lit back under him, and see him become a weapon for an upstart, hot team… Rather than the internet whipping boy that I’ve seen him become.
His play in 2013 wasn’t good, but I thought there was still potential and talent and that the Colts were more to blame than him. 2014 was terrible, and he was given all the chances in the world to make plays. He looked like a terrible back in 2014, and theres no way around it, even from my rose colored glasses. But for a minimum risk deal to a team with the cap space and need for a playmaker, I think he’s a perfect fit for you guys. Maybe he doesn’t regain his old self, and if he doesn’t I hope your coach is not an idiot and keeps trying to feed him the ball and waste valuable plays.
But maybe he does. He may just become a league-average back, or maybe just turn into the next LeGarrate Blount (Its not the worst thing in the world). Or maybe he becomes who he had the talent to become. If he does, the Raiders are laughing at the entire nation for years to come. To me, its a win-win situation. Its not like you’re losing anything by giving it a shot.
Thats my spill, feel free to chastise me in the comments. I'll monitor for a while and do my best to answer any questions you might have that I didn't cover. Go Raiders, and good luck with Trent!
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2015/3/17/8238795/trent-richardson-a-perspective-from-sbnations-rollbamaroll
I am a recruiting analyst over at the SB Nation site RollBamaRoll. Take this with a grain of salt, as I am a little biased, but I take pride in trying to be objective. I have been watching Trent Richardson since he was in high school, and here is what I can tell you about the maligned running back:
Back in high school, he set all kinds of records and was the #2 overall back that year (behind Bryce Brown). He played in the 205-210 range, and had sub 4.5 speed. To me, his best trait then was not his strength nor his speed, but his lower body balance. It seemed that no matter how he got hit, he always kept his feet under him.
He came into Alabama with a lot of hype as a freshman, but didn’t get too much playing time his first few games as Mark Ingram was exploding for the start of his heisman season. In the first game Richardson got some meaningful carries, this happened:
He also got to do some kick returns (and returned one for a TD) based on his speed and open field ability
In 2010, the Tide returned pretty much everyone on offense from the 2009 championship squad, but things went awry. The OC got pass happy, and Mark Ingram had knee surgery. The offense was based around Julio Jones that year (understandably), but Richardson was better than Ingram at pretty much everything. Faster, stronger, and more aggressive at the LOS.
In 2011, the entire offense left. Alabama lost Julio, most of the offensive line, Ingram, and two year starter at QB, McElroy. In 2011, Trent Richardson was the offense. He brute force carried the team that season, at it showed in his play style. He bulked up to around 225-230, and became a monster (just slightly slower). I have never seen anything like it. He was stopped only because of forward progress or out of bounds lines, not because he touched the ground. What always impressed me more than his big flashy plays (LIKE THIS ONE) were the plays that never made highlight reels. His ability to push all four d-lineman for an extra two yards when they beat the inexperience offensive line into the backfield. At some point in his junior season, he was squatting well over 700 poundsand benching over 500. He said he could easily do more, but the coaches wouldn’t let him for health/flexibility/speed reasons.
As a person, he always seemed to be a very standout guy and hard worker. He was quiet off the field, raised his daughter affectionately, and one time some media person found him going to prom with a cancer survivor girl from some small high school in Alabama. He had a reputation around campus for spending all of his time in the weight and film rooms.
He had great open field lateral ability and acceleration to go along with well-above average top end speed. He struck defenders harder than they could hit him, always kept his feet pushing in piles, and could make anything out of nothing. Coming out of Alabama at the time, I thought he had only one weakness: no patience at the line of scrimmage. It often led to him charging headlong into the offensive lineman’s butts. (though he often pushed the O-lineman and D-lineman forward 3 yards with the violence of it).
When he was drafted as high as 3rd, I was ecstatic. I didn’t see much of his play at the browns other than the highlights (he had some pretty impressive ones, but also only had like 3.9 YPC), but it was also revealed he played almost the whole season with broken ribs.
When he was traded to the Colts, I got worried. How could a player go from a team mid season to another (who not only had a different playbook, everything, but also a different running/blocking scheme) and still be expected to perform at a 3rd overall level?
The colts gave him very few chances in the first year, and he was extremely hesitant in his running in the few chances he had. I expected it and thought that it was understandable, given the situation. Then 2014 happened. I watched as many colts games as I could, and I really don’t know what happened to Richardson. The blocking was improved this year but he got worse. He seemed to go lateral every run, rather than north and south. He looked like he was running in molasses, rather than the powerful acceleration I was used to seeing. He went down easily to leg tackles, and missed when he tried to lower his shoulder into defenders. The one game I watched that he seemed to be getting a bit of a spark, he inexplicably fumbled (which he NEVER did in college… like 3-4 his whole career) and was benched for a while.
I don’t know if the old Richardson is still in there. I personally believe (playing armchair psychiatrist) that the trade and lack of impact with the colts in his first season led to confidence issues. In order to remedy, he did what many men turn to: lifting weights. At Alabama, he was banned from becoming too muscular. I would be willing to bet a pro team didn’t place such restrictions on him, and he lost all of his flexibility and movement while trying to bolster his ego in weight lifting.
I am hoping the Raiders can resurrect him. I am a Seahawks fan NFL-wise, and remember both the offseason and regular season game against you guys. Derek Carr left all kinds of good impressions on me, as did your teams general attitude towards the game. They looked like they were having fun. It would be really cool for Richardson to have his former tenacity lit back under him, and see him become a weapon for an upstart, hot team… Rather than the internet whipping boy that I’ve seen him become.
His play in 2013 wasn’t good, but I thought there was still potential and talent and that the Colts were more to blame than him. 2014 was terrible, and he was given all the chances in the world to make plays. He looked like a terrible back in 2014, and theres no way around it, even from my rose colored glasses. But for a minimum risk deal to a team with the cap space and need for a playmaker, I think he’s a perfect fit for you guys. Maybe he doesn’t regain his old self, and if he doesn’t I hope your coach is not an idiot and keeps trying to feed him the ball and waste valuable plays.
But maybe he does. He may just become a league-average back, or maybe just turn into the next LeGarrate Blount (Its not the worst thing in the world). Or maybe he becomes who he had the talent to become. If he does, the Raiders are laughing at the entire nation for years to come. To me, its a win-win situation. Its not like you’re losing anything by giving it a shot.
Thats my spill, feel free to chastise me in the comments. I'll monitor for a while and do my best to answer any questions you might have that I didn't cover. Go Raiders, and good luck with Trent!
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Good writeup, but for the most part Oakland is the place where good careers go to die. When the Raiders draft well at offensive line, they are sure to leave as soon as possible. Trent has placed himself in a very bad position to make a comeback, even if he puts his mind back in the game. The Raiders also picked up Roy Helu, who is very likely to take 3rd down duties which would make Richardson nearly worthless in PPR.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Right now for FFPC purposes I have him at negative value.Touchdown There said:
HUge rosters, just worthless
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Haha... Thanks. I'm over here thinking that the kids are starting some new innovative league type. It's just my lazy reading comprehension :/Zdravko said:Thanks
georg013
Footballguy
We are all on the Melvin Gordon bandwagon now!!!! BUCKLE UP!!!Where are all the supporters?
Shouldn't they be discussing how his value now is on the up since OAK didn't spend a pick on a running back?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
There are still supporters? Really?We are all on the Melvin Gordon bandwagon now!!!! BUCKLE UP!!!Where are all the supporters?
Shouldn't they be discussing how his value now is on the up since OAK didn't spend a pick on a running back?
massraider
Footballguy
Still hoping he gets beat out by Taiwan Jones, Terrence Cobb, or George Atkinson.
identikit
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
It's not wise to ignore "whispers" that a prominent RB name could struggle to make the roster. But all we know as of today, still in the month of July is that Richardson dropped some weight, and according to his head coach, seemed to have recovered some of his burst. Now I respect Vic Tafur, probably the best Raider beat now that Jerry McDonald seems to have taken a hiatus. But he really doesn't elaborate his T-Rich critique. "Whispers" from whom exactly? And we have not even seen the first play in training camp with pads on. It's good to pay attention to the beat writers in camp, but the context is lacking here.
Having said all that, I am guilty of being probably the biggest T-Rich hater on the Raiders board. Never liked his attitude on or off the field. Would not surprise me at all to see him cut. He's got to do more than just make the team. He's got to blow the doors off the competition, Mike Dyer. There is just no upside of having to carry a once highly talented RB with motivation issues. Nobody has the or time or inclination to coddle a primadonna who always finds some excuse wherever he lands to blame everyone but himself.
Time to blow or go T-Rich
Having said all that, I am guilty of being probably the biggest T-Rich hater on the Raiders board. Never liked his attitude on or off the field. Would not surprise me at all to see him cut. He's got to do more than just make the team. He's got to blow the doors off the competition, Mike Dyer. There is just no upside of having to carry a once highly talented RB with motivation issues. Nobody has the or time or inclination to coddle a primadonna who always finds some excuse wherever he lands to blame everyone but himself.
Time to blow or go T-Rich
EBF
Footballguy
Two teams have cut bait on Richardson now and the early buzz in Oakland is not promising. At this point I have very little hope that he'll do anything. I've been guilty of overrating Michael Dyer in the past, but he could potentially make this team and Murray/Helu/Richardson haven't accomplished much in the NFL, so there could be some immediate opportunity here. It's a situation that I'll be watching during the preseason for both redraft and dynasty purposes.
Very early in the going, but already seeing some good things coming out about Dyer from camp. If nothing else, I'd pre-emptively grab him off waivers if he's there and you're already invested in this backfield.
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
RB Michael Dyer
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
Vic Tafur retweeted Jamie Clark
Dyer showing nice burst (what's point of emojis if I have to elaborate?)
And from Raiders.com:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-WR-Michael-Crabtree-Impressive-Military-and-Alumni-in-the-House/74c87c11-5297-42b9-b9b4-0d47d74c6d73
Very early in the going, but already seeing some good things coming out about Dyer from camp. If nothing else, I'd pre-emptively grab him off waivers if he's there and you're already invested in this backfield.
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
RB Michael Dyer
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
Vic Tafur retweeted Jamie Clark
Dyer showing nice burst (what's point of emojis if I have to elaborate?)
And from Raiders.com:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-WR-Michael-Crabtree-Impressive-Military-and-Alumni-in-the-House/74c87c11-5297-42b9-b9b4-0d47d74c6d73
georg013
Footballguy
Was ready to add him until I saw that he is nearly 25 years old. As a rookie!!!! And we consider Kevin White too old at 23?! Yikes. He is five seasons away from being a position coach. Jay Ajayi's knees are likely to last longer than this guy.EBF said:Two teams have cut bait on Richardson now and the early buzz in Oakland is not promising. At this point I have very little hope that he'll do anything. I've been guilty of overrating Michael Dyer in the past, but he could potentially make this team and Murray/Helu/Richardson haven't accomplished much in the NFL, so there could be some immediate opportunity here. It's a situation that I'll be watching during the preseason for both redraft and dynasty purposes.
Very early in the going, but already seeing some good things coming out about Dyer from camp. If nothing else, I'd pre-emptively grab him off waivers if he's there and you're already invested in this backfield.
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
RB Michael Dyer
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3h3 hours ago
Vic Tafur retweeted Jamie Clark
Dyer showing nice burst (what's point of emojis if I have to elaborate?)
And from Raiders.com:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-WR-Michael-Crabtree-Impressive-Military-and-Alumni-in-the-House/74c87c11-5297-42b9-b9b4-0d47d74c6d73
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Dyer same age as Latavius Murray but we aren't worried about him are we?
georg013
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
RBM
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
mr roboto
Footballguy
Well they should have anyway.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why would you drop him now before we see his "lots of work" in the preseason? With his drop in weight he could look better than he has the last two seasons. Obviously he's still a long shot, but dropping him now after holding through his dreck season seems a little foolish.
