The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

[Eviloutsider]

CJ2K or Richardson the rest of the year?

 

[cstu]

Although it is tough to argue that getting a 1st-rounder was enough for Trent and his workmanlike 2.9 YPC.

He has a cheap contract through 2015 and they can extend it in 2016.

Forte was just as pedestrian in his 2nd year.

 

[ghostguy123]

CJ2K or Richardson the rest of the year?

Richardson

At some point you gotta think they will run a play where they do more than just have him slam up the middle. No counters, no draws, no screens, nothing but dive plays.

Then Brown comes in and immediately he gets draws and screens.

He definitely looked better as that game went on. Not that he looks to be any kind of stud moving forwards, but I gladly take him over CJ

 

[Joe Summer]

No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

Yeah but none of those guys have been as consistently mediocre as Richardson.

 

[freeannyong]

CJ2K or Richardson the rest of the year?

Has to be Johnson. His schedule is really good after the next few and actually has shown an ability to not be a slow plodding BJGE clone.

 

[msudaisy26]

No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

Yeah but none of those guys have been as consistently mediocre as Richardson.

This year Rice, MJD, and CJ2K have been this consistently mediocre.

 

[GreenNGold]

No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

Yeah but none of those guys have been as consistently mediocre as Richardson.

This year Rice, MJD, and CJ2K have been this consistently mediocre.

Rice and TRich were the only 1st round picks of those 4, and Rice while disappointing so far, has still been outscoring TRich with 2 good games, 1 terrible game and 1 week he was out where you would have started someone else in his place.

MJD and CJ were 3rd-4th rounders at best that people were taking to fill their bench.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Although it is tough to argue that getting a 1st-rounder was enough for Trent and his workmanlike 2.9 YPC.

He has a cheap contract through 2015 and they can extend it in 2016.

Forte was just as pedestrian in his 2nd year.

Forte had a GREAT first season. He also had an above average second season that could have been better had he been used right. Richardson had a below average first season and averaged 3 YPC despite the rest of the backs averaging at least 4. His second season has been forgettable and has already been traded.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

Yeah but none of those guys have been as consistently mediocre as Richardson.

consistently mediocre is about 3 pegs above richardson

 

[SameSongNDance]

No doubt TRich is under performing, but so are other RB's.

Today

Rice. 27 for 74 yds

Miller. 7 for 15 yds

P Thomas 19 for 36 yds

Bush. 13 for 44 yds

CJ2K. 10 for 17 yds

McCoy. 20 for 46 yds

MJD. 17 for 70 yds

Time will tell. Very few RB's are doing well every week.

Yeah but none of those guys have been as consistently mediocre as Richardson.

This year Rice, MJD, and CJ2K have been this consistently mediocre.

Rice and TRich were the only 1st round picks of those 4, and Rice while disappointing so far, has still been outscoring TRich with 2 good games, 1 terrible game and 1 week he was out where you would have started someone else in his place.

MJD and CJ were 3rd-4th rounders at best that people were taking to fill their bench.

Fill their benches? You only have to start two players in your leagues? Sweet!

 

[cstu]

Although it is tough to argue that getting a 1st-rounder was enough for Trent and his workmanlike 2.9 YPC.

He has a cheap contract through 2015 and they can extend it in 2016.

Forte was just as pedestrian in his 2nd year.

Forte had a GREAT first season. He also had an above average second season that could have been better had he been used right. Richardson had a below average first season and averaged 3 YPC despite the rest of the backs averaging at least 4. His second season has been forgettable and has already been traded.

Besides Forte getting more carries their rookie years weren't too different - 3.9 to 3.6 YPC. Forte 2nd year he averaged 3.6 YPC.

Here's a link to what people were saying about Forte.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Although it is tough to argue that getting a 1st-rounder was enough for Trent and his workmanlike 2.9 YPC.

He has a cheap contract through 2015 and they can extend it in 2016.

Forte was just as pedestrian in his 2nd year.

Forte had a GREAT first season. He also had an above average second season that could have been better had he been used right. Richardson had a below average first season and averaged 3 YPC despite the rest of the backs averaging at least 4. His second season has been forgettable and has already been traded.

Besides Forte getting more carries their rookie years weren't too different - 3.9 to 3.6 YPC. Forte 2nd year he averaged 3.6 YPC.

Here's a link to what people were saying about Forte.

Forte also had runs of 51 and 61 yards his 1st two years. Richardson.....not so much.

 

[EBF]

Had a hunch this would happen against a pretty tough Seattle team and people would be quick to dance on his grave.

I want to see what he does in the next 4-5 games before I get too carried away. Have to believe there are better days ahead.

3.1 YPC would mean he's possibly the worst starting RB in the league and so bad that he probably doesn't belong in the NFL.

Can't reconcile that with his draft slot and how good he looked at Bama, so I'm thinking there will be some big games somewhere in the next 11 weeks.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Had a hunch this would happen against a pretty tough Seattle team and people would be quick to dance on his grave.

I want to see what he does in the next 4-5 games before I get too carried away. Have to believe there are better days ahead.

3.1 YPC would mean he's possibly the worst starting RB in the league and so bad that he probably doesn't belong in the NFL.

Can't reconcile that with his draft slot and how good he looked at Bama, so I'm thinking there will be some big games somewhere in the next 11 weeks.

how did ingram look at 'bama and where was he drafted?

 

[ghostguy123]

Had a hunch this would happen against a pretty tough Seattle team and people would be quick to dance on his grave.

I want to see what he does in the next 4-5 games before I get too carried away. Have to believe there are better days ahead.

3.1 YPC would mean he's possibly the worst starting RB in the league and so bad that he probably doesn't belong in the NFL.

Can't reconcile that with his draft slot and how good he looked at Bama, so I'm thinking there will be some big games somewhere in the next 11 weeks.

how did ingram look at 'bama and where was he drafted?

Honestly, nowhere near as good as Richardson, and so far nowhere near as good even in the NFL. Ingram, bleh

 

[EBF]

Had a hunch this would happen against a pretty tough Seattle team and people would be quick to dance on his grave.

I want to see what he does in the next 4-5 games before I get too carried away. Have to believe there are better days ahead.

3.1 YPC would mean he's possibly the worst starting RB in the league and so bad that he probably doesn't belong in the NFL.

Can't reconcile that with his draft slot and how good he looked at Bama, so I'm thinking there will be some big games somewhere in the next 11 weeks.

how did ingram look at 'bama and where was he drafted?

Not as good as Richardson.

Trent is a much more talented player. Much bigger, but also faster. He clocked 4.48 at his pro day and had plenty of 50+ yard runs in college.

It's not like he's some plodding sloth.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

 

[EBF]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

 

[fruity pebbles]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

Saints aren't a great team to run for. Especially for Ingram. In one play, out the next. I'd take running for the Colts in particular over the Saints any day.

 

[Riversco]

There are only 3 cases of stud RBs getting traded in the middle of a season.

1. The Colts traded away All Pro Cornelius Bennett, their first round pick, 2 second round picks, and an RB for Eric Dickerson. Dickerson was a stud immediately with the Colts posting dominant numbers.

2. The Cardinals traded away their leading rusher of the past 6 seasons, Ottis Anderson, in the middle of the season for a 2nd and a 7th from the Giants in 1986. The trade was a disaster for the Giants in 1986. Anderson did nothing. The trade ultimately paid off in 1990 as Anderson was the main RB in the power running game that won the Super Bowl.

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

 

[cstu]

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

Even if Trent can put together a BJGE-esque few years for the Colts they'll be happy with the trade. They don't need him to be ADP, just move the chains and get in the end zone.

 

[Concept Coop]

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

Even if Trent can put together a BJGE-esque few years for the Colts they'll be happy with the trade. They don't need him to be ADP, just move the chains and get in the end zone.

Not for a first round pick; not for a RB. Not only will they not be happy with BJGE production - they won't put up with it for long. Not when better options are so numerous.

 

[GreenNGold]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

Saints aren't a great team to run for. Especially for Ingram. In one play, out the next. I'd take running for the Colts in particular over the Saints any day.

Yeah Sproles sucks

 

[fruity pebbles]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

Saints aren't a great team to run for. Especially for Ingram. In one play, out the next. I'd take running for the Colts in particular over the Saints any day.

Yeah Sproles sucks

Yeah, cause they use him as a rb.

 

[Bobby Guano]

There are only 3 cases of stud RBs getting traded in the middle of a season.

1. The Colts traded away All Pro Cornelius Bennett, their first round pick, 2 second round picks, and an RB for Eric Dickerson. Dickerson was a stud immediately with the Colts posting dominant numbers.

2. The Cardinals traded away their leading rusher of the past 6 seasons, Ottis Anderson, in the middle of the season for a 2nd and a 7th from the Giants in 1986. The trade was a disaster for the Giants in 1986. Anderson did nothing. The trade ultimately paid off in 1990 as Anderson was the main RB in the power running game that won the Super Bowl.

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

Ah Umm...you forgot the Dallas/Minny Hershel Walker trade.....Walker had some good games for Minny but Dallas went on to dominate the 90's. (3 super bowl wins? I can't remember...)

 

[GreenNGold]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

Saints aren't a great team to run for. Especially for Ingram. In one play, out the next. I'd take running for the Colts in particular over the Saints any day.

Yeah Sproles sucks

Yeah, cause they use him as a rb.

too bad Ingram is so one-dimensional then. just shows lack of talent overall.

 

[Joe Summer]

There are only 3 cases of stud RBs getting traded in the middle of a season.

1. The Colts traded away All Pro Cornelius Bennett, their first round pick, 2 second round picks, and an RB for Eric Dickerson. Dickerson was a stud immediately with the Colts posting dominant numbers.

2. The Cardinals traded away their leading rusher of the past 6 seasons, Ottis Anderson, in the middle of the season for a 2nd and a 7th from the Giants in 1986. The trade was a disaster for the Giants in 1986. Anderson did nothing. The trade ultimately paid off in 1990 as Anderson was the main RB in the power running game that won the Super Bowl.

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

4. Hershel Walker.

 

[amnesiac]

i can't move this guy in my Idp dynasty.

thinking the Browns may have made a good trade.

 

[cstu]

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

Even if Trent can put together a BJGE-esque few years for the Colts they'll be happy with the trade. They don't need him to be ADP, just move the chains and get in the end zone.

Not for a first round pick; not for a RB. Not only will they not be happy with BJGE production - they won't put up with it for long. Not when better options are so numerous.

Trent has a lower cap number than BJGE and the Pats went 14-2 with him in 2010.

I personally think he's a lot better than BJGE but if that's all he is and helps them win it will be good enough for them for a couple more years.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

some of us play fantasy football - fyi

 

[KellysHeroes]

sell high at the end of the yr for me

 

[ghostguy123]

i can't move this guy in my Idp dynasty.

thinking the Browns may have made a good trade.

absolutely the Browns made a good trade. Though I am of the opinion that the vast majority of RBs are not worth a 1st rounder.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Do a lot of RBs do well against the Seattle D?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Do a lot of RBs do well against the Seattle D?

Totally valid, because that's the only time he's looked crappy thus far in his career. Oh wait...

 

[Coeur de Lion]

sell high at the end of the yr for me

glllllll with that. Unless you meant "I already sold high at the end of last year." Or by high you meant "pennies on the dollar."

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Coeur de Lion speaking the truth in here. I should have listened to him instead of the Gunz superfan thread. TRich trade value was aleady low. Now it's

Redraft, thankfully I don't ever have to have this dude on my fantasy team again.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

3. The Trent Richardson trade.

Trich is still very young and even if the trade doesn't pay off immediately, it might down the road. If they win the super bowl in the next 5 years with him emerging as a serious running threat no one will question the trade. Too early to judge it.

Even if Trent can put together a BJGE-esque few years for the Colts they'll be happy with the trade. They don't need him to be ADP, just move the chains and get in the end zone.

GTFO of here. Happy with a BJGE level player for a 1st round pick? Multiple BJGEs are available in the middle / late rounds of every single draft -- the Colts grabbed one last year in the 4th named Vick Ballard.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Traded him for David Wilson + two 1sts after the IND trade. Wilson could be a turd as well, but at least I have a turd with two 1sts.

 

[habsfan]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Is it that he is cut so much slack or is it that he's firmly in everyone's fantasy rear view mirror at this point? TRich is the fantasy atrocity du jour.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

At some point you gotta think they will run a play where they do more than just have him slam up the middle. No counters, no draws, no screens, nothing but dive plays.

Then Brown comes in and immediately he gets draws and screens.

We've reached a milestone folks! We've officially moved on from "he has hurt ribs" and "bad team" to "the coaches are holding him back."

 

[PatsWillWin]

At some point you gotta think they will run a play where they do more than just have him slam up the middle. No counters, no draws, no screens, nothing but dive plays.

Then Brown comes in and immediately he gets draws and screens.

We've reached a milestone folks! We've officially moved on from "he has hurt ribs" and "bad team" to "the coaches are holding him back."

Two different coaching staffs too, lol.

 

[moondog]

http://www.businessinsider.com/trent-richardson-trade-was-genius-move-for-browns-2013-10

And the Browns, who've become incredibly compelling since the trade, got a 1st-round pick for him.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/trent-richardson-trade-was-genius-move-for-browns-2013-10#ixzz2gzoFrchO

They also took a massive $10M cap hit. The Browns are paying just $400k less for McGahee than Trent this year.

The Browns have tons of cap room and the hit is just on this year cap.

 

[cstu]

http://www.businessinsider.com/trent-richardson-trade-was-genius-move-for-browns-2013-10

And the Browns, who've become incredibly compelling since the trade, got a 1st-round pick for him.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/trent-richardson-trade-was-genius-move-for-browns-2013-10#ixzz2gzoFrchO

They also took a massive $10M cap hit. The Browns are paying just $400k less for McGahee than Trent this year.

The Browns have tons of cap room and the hit is just on this year cap.

$6.7M on next year's cap.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Mods, please merge with David Wilson hype train thread kthxbye

 

[FUBAR]

Richardson gets cut so much slack compared to Ingram.

Career carries and YPC

Ingram 295 carries 3.8 YPC

Richardson 331 carries 3.5 YPC

Saints vs. Browns/Colts

Saints aren't a great team to run for. Especially for Ingram. In one play, out the next. I'd take running for the Colts in particular over the Saints any day.

I'd rather run for the team whose opponents key big time on the pass. the Colts are close to that, but Luck still is not Brees.

I'm actually looking to buy if everyone is this down on him.

 

[Routilla]

The T-Rich owner is trying to trade him in my league but nobody wants him. Certainly a bust at this point for where he was drafted in the 1st round.

 

[shader]

I've lost all faith in my guy, Trent. I'm holding because that's all I can do. I'm sick of him "getting something out of nothing" and I'm sick of excuses. It's time to actually produce. I'll start him because I have no other options, but to say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

 

[iamkoza]

what's with the donald brown vulture?... was trent tired or something, or is that going to be come a thing moving forward? I didnt catch any of this game so i didnt see if other goal line plays had donald brown on the field

 

[Coeur de Lion]

what's with the donald brown vulture?... was trent tired or something, or is that going to be come a thing moving forward? I didnt catch any of this game so i didnt see if other goal line plays had donald brown on the field

Think it was a shotgun draw and Brown is being used as the 3rd down guy.

 

[Todem]

I am really down right now. I loved this kid out of college. Took him 1 overall last year in my rookie draft....took him 7th overall in my redraft. I was sold he would be a stud this year.

Has not happened yet.

Still have faith.....but this is really hard to watch right now.