The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

[kutta]

Do we have any real proof of the broken ribs last year? I know Trent said he played with broken ribs, but is there a doctor or anyone else who has confirmed it?

It just seems a little fishy to me. And I own Trent in my big league and really want him to do well in Indy. But for some reason I never really bought the rib story.

 

[kencav]

Do we have any real proof of the broken ribs last year? I know Trent said he played with broken ribs, but is there a doctor or anyone else who has confirmed it?

It just seems a little fishy to me. And I own Trent in my big league and really want him to do well in Indy. But for some reason I never really bought the rib story.

Are you for real?........Bitter Bradshaw owner?

One of the most ludicrous suppositions regarding an injured player I have ever heard.

 

[Bob Magaw]

alluded to above...

a sampling of rookie years, from all time top 5 yardage leaders...

walter payton (#2 yardage) - 3.5 YPC

emmitt smith (#1 yardage) - 3.9 YPC

curtis martin (#4 yardage) - 4.0 YPC (but second and fourth seasons, 3.6 and 3.5 YPC, respectively)

ladainian thompson (#5 yardage) - 3.6 YPC

only barry sanders (#3 yardage) stood out with 5.3 YPC...

what is the common denominator (excepting sanders)... all started careers with bad teams (such as, i don't know, maybe browns?)...

* i guess the school of thought that richardson is terrible due to low YPC in rookie season are right...

he is in some horrible company, and clearly this is an insurmountable problem!

 

[SameSongNDance]

my late two cents. Initial shock for the trade of the "franchise" RB but after some thought into the possibilities of why I'm ok with it for Cleveland. As many have said (only read the first few pages) TR was selected during the old regime and the new management may have different ideas and this is a way to implement them.

The NFL has become a passing league and the need for a star running back had deminished as evident as the prolonged success of the Packers and Patriots as well as the current success of the Broncos. Building a team around a RB can be difficult and current evidence (sup Vikings?) shows that it doesn't flurish as much.

Trading Richardson for a first gives Cleveland's current group a great opportunity to to start building the team the way that they want, and it appears that they may take it toward a passing team. In the preseason, Cleveland looked strong in the passing game and maybe this will allow them to focus toward that versus having to give their star RB a particular amount of carries.

Really can't wait to see how this plays out.

My issue, if I were a Browns fan, would be, why didn't they just trade him in the offseason instead and start building the team the way they want this year?

Also, why pass on EJ Manuel in this years draft?

They have basically thrown away 2 years.

They seem like a very poorly run organization.

Yeah, just terrible. They can continually try and justify the move but the fact remains that it should never have come to this. If TRich wasn't a good fit, any competent organization would have been able to recognize it in the off season. They rival CAR in organizational incompetence, IMO.

 

[pollardsvision]

my late two cents. Initial shock for the trade of the "franchise" RB but after some thought into the possibilities of why I'm ok with it for Cleveland. As many have said (only read the first few pages) TR was selected during the old regime and the new management may have different ideas and this is a way to implement them.

The NFL has become a passing league and the need for a star running back had deminished as evident as the prolonged success of the Packers and Patriots as well as the current success of the Broncos. Building a team around a RB can be difficult and current evidence (sup Vikings?) shows that it doesn't flurish as much.

Trading Richardson for a first gives Cleveland's current group a great opportunity to to start building the team the way that they want, and it appears that they may take it toward a passing team. In the preseason, Cleveland looked strong in the passing game and maybe this will allow them to focus toward that versus having to give their star RB a particular amount of carries.

Really can't wait to see how this plays out.

My issue, if I were a Browns fan, would be, why didn't they just trade him in the offseason instead and start building the team the way they want this year?

Also, why pass on EJ Manuel in this years draft?

They have basically thrown away 2 years.

They seem like a very poorly run organization.

Fair question.

My guess would be that nobody was offering a 1st round pick in the off-season.

I'm sure the way the offense has looked in the 1st 2 games, followed by Weeden's injury probably had something to do with it too. Obviously, that would be a debatable way to make this decision (even if it's a good one).

It would be interesting to know which team would've made this move in the off-season. My gut says neither and they both probably panicked a little based on the 1st 2 games. I think CLE should've been panicking before (if a 1st rounder would've been on the table). I'm not sure it's right for IND though.

 

[Donnybrook]

my late two cents. Initial shock for the trade of the "franchise" RB but after some thought into the possibilities of why I'm ok with it for Cleveland. As many have said (only read the first few pages) TR was selected during the old regime and the new management may have different ideas and this is a way to implement them.

The NFL has become a passing league and the need for a star running back had deminished as evident as the prolonged success of the Packers and Patriots as well as the current success of the Broncos. Building a team around a RB can be difficult and current evidence (sup Vikings?) shows that it doesn't flurish as much.

Trading Richardson for a first gives Cleveland's current group a great opportunity to to start building the team the way that they want, and it appears that they may take it toward a passing team. In the preseason, Cleveland looked strong in the passing game and maybe this will allow them to focus toward that versus having to give their star RB a particular amount of carries.

Really can't wait to see how this plays out.

My issue, if I were a Browns fan, would be, why didn't they just trade him in the offseason instead and start building the team the way they want this year?

Also, why pass on EJ Manuel in this years draft?

They have basically thrown away 2 years.

They seem like a very poorly run organization.

1) They traded him when the demand for a RB was highest. Indy, Giants, and Steeler all had injuries to running back and at least two of those teams were looking to trade for one. Don't forget that New Orleans traded Chris Ivory for a 4th round pick . Could they gotten more if they could have waited to week 2?

2) Most scouts didn't even have EJ Manuel rated as the top passer in this class. Kiper and McShay did rate him in the their top 5. In fact, most people thought he was a reach by Buffalo. (I personally had Manuel rated as the best QB but I digress)

3) They had a limited window to trade him. He isn't alway healthy and he will eventually want to be paid in line with draft status ie the highest paid RB in the NFL. The new regime inherited him this year so, in their opinion, they only wasted two games. Obviously they weren't sold on him.

4) You got me there.

 

[kutta]

Do we have any real proof of the broken ribs last year? I know Trent said he played with broken ribs, but is there a doctor or anyone else who has confirmed it?

It just seems a little fishy to me. And I own Trent in my big league and really want him to do well in Indy. But for some reason I never really bought the rib story.

Are you for real?........Bitter Bradshaw owner?

One of the most ludicrous suppositions regarding an injured player I have ever heard.

Reading comprehension down?

I'm just saying that I don't remember reading about Trent's broken ribs during the season. All I remember seeing is him saying he had broken ribs after the season was over. It struck me as fishy then and I still haven't seen any other real confirmation.

I hope it's true. I hope he's that tough and it was as bad as he says it was. But I'm just saying I find it a little strange that we never heard from a doctor that he had broken ribs. Or, maybe I just missed it

 

[Bob Magaw]

Do we have any real proof of the broken ribs last year? I know Trent said he played with broken ribs, but is there a doctor or anyone else who has confirmed it?

It just seems a little fishy to me. And I own Trent in my big league and really want him to do well in Indy. But for some reason I never really bought the rib story.

Are you for real?........Bitter Bradshaw owner?

One of the most ludicrous suppositions regarding an injured player I have ever heard.

Reading comprehension down?

I'm just saying that I don't remember reading about Trent's broken ribs during the season. All I remember seeing is him saying he had broken ribs after the season was over. It struck me as fishy then and I still haven't seen any other real confirmation.

I hope it's true. I hope he's that tough and it was as bad as he says it was. But I'm just saying I find it a little strange that we never heard from a doctor that he had broken ribs. Or, maybe I just missed it

you raised a not unreasonable point...

personally i never doubted it at the time...

one reason they may not have advertised the injury, and this isn't uncommon, a lot of players don't...

it might have invited a stream of opposing defenders/tacklers launching themselves specifically into his ribs, in an effort to exacerbate the condition (and not only that, but make it worse )...

 

[cvnpoka]

question for the virulently anti-richardson clique...

is it possible that he was less dynamic and explosive because of the broken ribs?

like, hypothetically, if we had a time machine, went back to last september, got a truncheon, banged on doug martin and alfred morris torsos and fractured a few ribs, possibly their rookie season's would have unfolded differently?

I think this is a VERY underestimated factor...Imagine that, a guy with busted ribs (which make simple tasks like BREATHING difficult) had trouble accelerating and breaking tackles. He could have just sat out half the season, and then all the haters would be calling him out for being brittle.

As for Fujita....so TRich gutting through this injury and showing up to play every day for a crap team that was obvioiusly going nowhere...that's a sign of not buying into the program? As far as I'm concerned, his YPC is pretty impressive taking all things into consideration (busted ribs, no offensive support, stacked boxes, etc).

I THINK he will show his true potential in Indy; I'm certainly pulling for him considering his obvious heart and determination.

they already are. all the naysayers are calling him injury prone.

 

[Bob Magaw]

question for the virulently anti-richardson clique...

is it possible that he was less dynamic and explosive because of the broken ribs?

like, hypothetically, if we had a time machine, went back to last september, got a truncheon, banged on doug martin and alfred morris torsos and fractured a few ribs, possibly their rookie season's would have unfolded differently?

I think this is a VERY underestimated factor...Imagine that, a guy with busted ribs (which make simple tasks like BREATHING difficult) had trouble accelerating and breaking tackles. He could have just sat out half the season, and then all the haters would be calling him out for being brittle.

As for Fujita....so TRich gutting through this injury and showing up to play every day for a crap team that was obvioiusly going nowhere...that's a sign of not buying into the program? As far as I'm concerned, his YPC is pretty impressive taking all things into consideration (busted ribs, no offensive support, stacked boxes, etc).

I THINK he will show his true potential in Indy; I'm certainly pulling for him considering his obvious heart and determination.

and its not like he suffered the injury week 14 or 15...

i was specifically going to use the example breathing (don't even talk about laughing or sneezing - you would have to go out on disability if you worked at a pepper refining plant)...

 

[Bracie Smathers]

My take as a long time Browns fan.

Inital shock but I've had a few days to let things sink in. I have to be honest and state I never wanted the Browns to draft Trent Ricahardson with the fourth pick of the 2012 draft due to the league diminshing the value of the RB position. I was furious that the FORMER front office of Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckertt spent a package of draft picks to move up ONE SPOT to draft him when it was obvious to anyone with a brain and BALLS that the Vikings had no intention of taking him with the third pick of that draft.

That is all on Mike Holmgren.

He blew making a deal for RG III so he pressured Heckertt to 'make-sure' they came away with Ricahardson at any price.

Per T-Rich. The one thing that always bothered me about his skill-set was the lack of break-away speed type of big plays.

If you take a running back in the top-three picks he'd better be a sure-fire Hall of Famer in every aspect of his game. Trent lacks that extra break-away gear in my eyes where I would put his skill-set as a top-three NFL talent especially in a deep talent draft like 2012. He's never had that sort of break-away type of speed. If LaDalian Thomlison and Adrian Peterson and Eric Dickerson, and Bo Jackson, the four greatest RBs in terms of atheletic skill over the last 20+ years had zero Super Bowl appearances, it shows that having an uber atheletic HOF skill-set RB is cute for the fans but it doesn't help teams get to, let alone win the Super Bowl. So even if T-Rich had that extra gear, which he lacks, he wouldn't have done nearly as much as a franchise QB to help the Browns.

Some who have responded in this thread seem to not be aware that this isn't the same, front office, coaching staff, or even the same ownership who drafted Richardson. They didn't hand the keys to Mike Holmgren, they didn't blow the deal for RG III, they didn't compound that decision by trading picks to move-up ONE SPOT to take a RB with the third pick in the draft to hide the fact that the person responsible for blowing the trade for RG III, MIKE HOLMGREN, was trying to distract the fans with a bright shiney object like T-Rich in an effort cover cover his butt for blowing the RG III deal. Those two decisions were bad enough but then to turn arouund and blow the 22nd pick in the first round on an old QB when they could have gotten him later was a series of bad front office decisions. That is all Holmgren and Randy Lerner, the former owner.

The Browns have new ownership, new front office, and a new coaching staff. The new front office made two forward thinking trades in this year's draft, they traded away their fourth round pick for a 2014 3rd round pick and they traded away their fifth round pick this year for a 2014 4th round pick. They aren't shy. They are going to get a franchise QB in 2014.

The team doesn't have a franchise QB. The team has suffered injuries on the offensive line that got the QB injured and made T-Rich ineffective. If Cleveland still had Trent Richardson they may not have won any more games this year. They would have burned one more year off his NFL shelf life and gotten NOTHING in return. Now they get something and they WILL get their franchise QB next year and the pick gotten for T-Rich and the additional picks gotten from this past draft trades could play a critical role in attaining a franchise QB.

The upside is the Browns might be able to get the franchise QB without having to deal any of the extra picks which free those picks to plug holes to turn things around quickly.

 

[None_More_Black]

My take as a long time Browns fan.

Inital shock but I've had a few days to let things sink in. I have to be honest and state I never wanted the Browns to draft Trent Ricahardson with the fourth pick of the 2012 draft due to the league diminshing the value of the RB position. I was furious that the FORMER front office of Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckertt spent a package of draft picks to move up ONE SPOT to draft him when it was obvious to anyone with a brain and BALLS that the Vikings had no intention of taking him with the third pick of that draft.

That is all on Mike Holmgren.

He blew making a deal for RG III so he pressured Heckertt to 'make-sure' they came away with Ricahardson at any price.

Per T-Rich. The one thing that always bothered me about his skill-set was the lack of break-away speed type of big plays.

If you take a running back in the top-three picks he'd better be a sure-fire Hall of Famer in every aspect of his game. Trent lacks that extra break-away gear in my eyes where I would put his skill-set as a top-three NFL talent especially in a deep talent draft like 2012. He's never had that sort of break-away type of speed. If LaDalian Thomlison and Adrian Peterson and Eric Dickerson, and Bo Jackson, the four greatest RBs in terms of atheletic skill over the last 20+ years had zero Super Bowl appearances, it shows that having an uber atheletic HOF skill-set RB is cute for the fans but it doesn't help teams get to, let alone win the Super Bowl. So even if T-Rich had that extra gear, which he lacks, he wouldn't have done nearly as much as a franchise QB to help the Browns.

Some who have responded in this thread seem to not be aware that this isn't the same, front office, coaching staff, or even the same ownership who drafted Richardson. They didn't hand the keys to Mike Holmgren, they didn't blow the deal for RG III, they didn't compound that decision by trading picks to move-up ONE SPOT to take a RB with the third pick in the draft to hide the fact that the person responsible for blowing the trade for RG III, MIKE HOLMGREN, was trying to distract the fans with a bright shiney object like T-Rich in an effort cover cover his butt for blowing the RG III deal. Those two decisions were bad enough but then to turn arouund and blow the 22nd pick in the first round on an old QB when they could have gotten him later was a series of bad front office decisions. That is all Holmgren and Randy Lerner, the former owner.

The Browns have new ownership, new front office, and a new coaching staff. The new front office made two forward thinking trades in this year's draft, they traded away their fourth round pick for a 2014 3rd round pick and they traded away their fifth round pick this year for a 2014 4th round pick. They aren't shy. They are going to get a franchise QB in 2014.

The team doesn't have a franchise QB. The team has suffered injuries on the offensive line that got the QB injured and made T-Rich ineffective. If Cleveland still had Trent Richardson they may not have won any more games this year. They would have burned one more year off his NFL shelf life and gotten NOTHING in return. Now they get something and they WILL get their franchise QB next year and the pick gotten for T-Rich and the additional picks gotten from this past draft trades could play a critical role in attaining a franchise QB.

The upside is the Browns might be able to get the franchise QB without having to deal any of the extra picks which free those picks to plug holes to turn things around quickly.

Not saying it was a great move, but you trade with Minny to prevent Minny from trading the pick to someone else, not because you think the Vikings would select Richardson.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Anyone heard what kind of playing time he's gonna get Sunday?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

... spent a package of draft picks to move up ONE SPOT to draft him when it was obvious to anyone with a brain and BALLS that the Vikings had no intention of taking him with the third pick of that draft. ...

Not saying it was a great move, but you trade with Minny to prevent Minny from trading the pick to someone else, not because you think the Vikings would select Richardson.

The VIkings had no other deals on the table.

Holmgren was competing against himself.

Brains and BALLS.

The VIkings had a dire need for an offensive left tackle.

They wouldn't have traded down any further than the Browns pick because other teams would have jumped on OLT Matt Kahlil.

Add, the Vikings didn't get any high picks which should have tipped off everyone that they didn't have any other teams willing to move-up for Richardson.

The fact that Holmgren had a previous relationship with the Viking GM is the icing on the cake IMHO.

 

[Bob Magaw]

as a rams fan, I thought Bradford was a franchise QB, but he hadn't really had a chance to show it until this year...

I'm not sure CLE couldn't have got a pretty good QB in 2014, and kept richardson, but he wasn't their guy, their prerogative to cash in their chips on him, even if he was arguably trading at a discount...

it was ridiculous for holmgren to poor fuel on the fire and criticize the trade, when they had neglected to secure an even competent QB, let alone franchise one, even though they had a few years... they could have had tannehilll last year, who looks like a star...

back to bradford, there is nothing that gives hope to a fan base like a franchise QB, and can help turn around the fortunes of a perennial loser in a hurry... I wish CLE fans well, and hope they find their's next year...

I can also speak from recent experience it is a good feeling to have extra draft picks with which to surround future franchise QB with upgraded OL and more skill position weapons...

if gordon can avoid trouble, and with emerging TE cameron, joe thomas is an elite, blue chip LT if front office and coaching staff elect to keep the rest of the band together, I could see them turning things around in a hurry... already have the nucleus of a good defense...

agreed it isn't fair to blame banner and lombardi if holmgren was the one to botch/bungle things and partly put the current regime in predicament they found themselves in...

as noted above, banner came from PHI, where they uncovered gems like westbrook in third and mccoy in second...

they may also find that they can do more with less, if a lesser RB has bigger holes to run through and more space to operate in if defenses are forced to account for and defend a higher caliber QB...

 

[amnesiac]

To me its about having multiple threats on offense.

I'd like at least 3 threats on offense to make an offense really good. Some combination of QB / RB / WR / TE

The reason this trade is bad for the Browns is because I think the Browns actually had 3 genuine threats to gameplan for. They had it at WR / TE / RB. Trent Richardson, Jordan Cameron Jordan, and Josh Gordon. They might have surprised some people with all 3 pieces on the field at the same time. That's actually a headache to try to stop all 3. It becomes extremely difficult to stack up and play the run with Gordon AND Cameron running free as serious playmakers. That would open big holes for Richardson to run through.

I actually thought there was a chance the Browns offense could do some surprisingly big damage starting in week 3 once Gordon returned. But now, it will never be.

in theory. but not with Weeden running the offense. that limits everyone else.

 

[Riversco]

My issue, if I were a Browns fan, would be, why didn't they just trade him in the offseason instead and start building the team the way they want this year?

Also, why pass on EJ Manuel in this years draft?

They have basically thrown away 2 years.

They seem like a very poorly run organization.

Something obviously changed big time between the draft and week 3. Probably even between the offseason and week 3. It could be the Flying J scandal. Maybe there is now sufficient evidence to indict him. Maybe the owners have decided to force him to sell. It just hasn't gone public yet.

But you're right, the timing is off.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'd like to compare 2 players -- not in ability, but in situation, and tell me if I have any concerns as a richardson owner.

the saints have one of the league's strongest offenses the last few years, and when they traded up to get mark ingram in the first round he became a fairly popular prospect in fantasy circles because he supposedly would be running against nickel all day and would have all these crazy td opps.

so, a couple years later he isn't doing ####, and people are starting threads about how he constantly sees 8 in the box because he's primarily a running down rb.

richardson is getting the same kind of buzz going to indy, although since arians left their offense looks more ok than elite --- certainly not on the saints level.

while it seems to be popular opinion that he's in this great new situation, I'm reading that he's given up an assload of pressures, which is maybe why he was sitting for gogobananas on 3rd down, and we know bradshaw is an excellent blocker,

luck has already been sacked quite a bit, and the indy o-line isn't really all that strong a unit.

is there some reason to believe he won't be used primarily as a 2 down runner, seeing 8 in the box, getting 15 carries behind a shaky o-line, on a decent but not great offense?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

as a rams fan, I thought Bradford was a franchise QB, but he hadn't really had a chance to show it until this year...

I'm not sure CLE couldn't have got a pretty good QB in 2014, and kept richardson, but he wasn't their guy, their prerogative to cash in their chips on him, even if he was arguably trading at a discount...

it was ridiculous for holmgren to poor fuel on the fire and criticize the trade, when they had neglected to secure an even competent QB, let alone franchise one, even though they had a few years... they could have had tannehilll last year, who looks like a star...

back to bradford, there is nothing that gives hope to a fan base like a franchise QB, and can help turn around the fortunes of a perennial loser in a hurry... I wish CLE fans well, and hope they find their's next year...

I can also speak from recent experience it is a good feeling to have extra draft picks with which to surround future franchise QB with upgraded OL and more skill position weapons...

if gordon can avoid trouble, and with emerging TE cameron, joe thomas is an elite, blue chip LT if front office and coaching staff elect to keep the rest of the band together, I could see them turning things around in a hurry... already have the nucleus of a good defense...

agreed it isn't fair to blame banner and lombardi if holmgren was the one to botch/bungle things and partly put the current regime in predicament they found themselves in...

as noted above, banner came from PHI, where they uncovered gems like westbrook in third and mccoy in second...

they may also find that they can do more with less, if a lesser RB has bigger holes to run through and more space to operate in if defenses are forced to account for and defend a higher caliber QB...

The thing is that the Browns made an offer to the Rams for Sam Bradford. So the Rams could have traded Bradford to Cleveland gotten the Browns 1st pick, #4 and I'm sure they would have had to add another high pick, possibly their other first round pick of 2012 #22 or their high second round pick for last year or it would have been their first round pick this year #7.

So the Rams could have taken that deal and selected QB Robert Griffin the third with their first round pick #2.

They then could have choses to trade-down as they did last year to keep acquiring more draft picks or taken RB Trent Richardson with the Browns top first round pick #4.

Then if the extra pick was the Browns first round pick this year the Rams could have taken DE/OLB Barkvious Mingo with the #6 pick or they could have got WR Tavon Austin without having to tade-up for him and give up extra draft picks as they did this year.

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One other top uber RB name I am remiss to add that never made the Super Bowl was RB Barry Sanders.

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One thing that the new Browns front office, ownership, coaching staff, has that Mike Holmgren lacked is brains and BALLS.

Come on folks, they absolutely knew before they pulled the trigger that they would get killed for making this deal.

They knew they would be facing a blowtorch but they went ahead and pulled the trigger anyway.

They definitely don't lack for BALLS and I think they have done their homework and have a good metric of what sort of damage they can do May 8 of 2014.

The wrath of POed Cleveland fans has only begun.

Late December, after yet another double digit losing season, some fans will be spleenless from over-venting.

So some won't ever get it, most will, and a few already have.

I'm already over it.

 

[Riversco]

To me its about having multiple threats on offense.

I'd like at least 3 threats on offense to make an offense really good. Some combination of QB / RB / WR / TE

The reason this trade is bad for the Browns is because I think the Browns actually had 3 genuine threats to gameplan for. They had it at WR / TE / RB. Trent Richardson, Jordan Cameron Jordan, and Josh Gordon. They might have surprised some people with all 3 pieces on the field at the same time. That's actually a headache to try to stop all 3. It becomes extremely difficult to stack up and play the run with Gordon AND Cameron running free as serious playmakers. That would open big holes for Richardson to run through.

I actually thought there was a chance the Browns offense could do some surprisingly big damage starting in week 3 once Gordon returned. But now, it will never be.

in theory. but not with Weeden running the offense. that limits everyone else.

I'd like to compare 2 players -- not in ability, but in situation, and tell me if I have any concerns as a richardson owner.

the saints have one of the league's strongest offenses the last few years, and when they traded up to get mark ingram in the first round he became a fairly popular prospect in fantasy circles because he supposedly would be running against nickel all day and would have all these crazy td opps.

so, a couple years later he isn't doing ####, and people are starting threads about how he constantly sees 8 in the box because he's primarily a running down rb.

richardson is getting the same kind of buzz going to indy, although since arians left their offense looks more ok than elite --- certainly not on the saints level.

while it seems to be popular opinion that he's in this great new situation, I'm reading that he's given up an assload of pressures, which is maybe why he was sitting for gogobananas on 3rd down, and we know bradshaw is an excellent blocker,

luck has already been sacked quite a bit, and the indy o-line isn't really all that strong a unit.

is there some reason to believe he won't be used primarily as a 2 down runner, seeing 8 in the box, getting 15 carries behind a shaky o-line, on a decent but not great offense?

8 in the box? Richardson is in a great spot now because they cannot key on him. The Colts have too many playmakers. Luck, Hilton, Fleener, Wayne, Richardson. Does any NFL team have that many weapons on offense?

 

[Riversco]

I'm hoping the Colts feed Richardson the ball a lot. The Seahawks just manhandled them with the run last week. I would think everyone is going to try to run on them until the 49ers show they can stop it. I don't own Richardson in a league I just want to see what the 49ers do.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm hoping the Colts feed Richardson the ball a lot. The Seahawks just manhandled them with the run last week. I would think everyone is going to try to run on them until the 49ers show they can stop it. I don't own Richardson in a league I just want to see what the 49ers do.

I cant see this happening. I cant seem him walk right in and just get a lot of carries or plays not knowing anything until a couple days before the game. I cant see any player do that with success at any position never working with those players and just learning the offense.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm hoping the Colts feed Richardson the ball a lot. The Seahawks just manhandled them with the run last week. I would think everyone is going to try to run on them until the 49ers show they can stop it. I don't own Richardson in a league I just want to see what the 49ers do.

let's just bear in mind lynch averaged 3.5 ypc, which is not exactly manhandling anyone, and sea was in position to feed lynch the ball 28x.

do you think indy def can replicate what sea did and hold sf to 3 points?

also, while sf had a p strong run def last year -- 4th in rush yds allowed, and 3rd in ypc at 3.7, lynch managed 214 / 4.8 ypc in his 2 games against them last year, scoring one of the 7 td's they let up.

lacy couldn't even manage 3 ypc, and he's in an even better situation than richardson supposedly is.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Not to hijak this into a SF/SEA-IND thread but one point.

The Colts don't have a CB Richard Sherman to shut down WR Anquan Boldin.

That was the biggest matchup and a big win for Seattle.

The Niners don't have to worry about Anquan getting shut out this week.

 

[Riversco]

I'm hoping the Colts feed Richardson the ball a lot. The Seahawks just manhandled them with the run last week. I would think everyone is going to try to run on them until the 49ers show they can stop it. I don't own Richardson in a league I just want to see what the 49ers do.

let's just bear in mind lynch averaged 3.5 ypc, which is not exactly manhandling anyone, and sea was in position to feed lynch the ball 28x.

do you think indy def can replicate what sea did and hold sf to 3 points?

also, while sf had a p strong run def last year -- 4th in rush yds allowed, and 3rd in ypc at 3.7, lynch managed 214 / 4.8 ypc in his 2 games against them last year, scoring one of the 7 td's they let up.

lacy couldn't even manage 3 ypc, and he's in an even better situation than richardson supposedly is.

Lynch averaged 7 ypc in the first quarter when it was tied 0-0. He averaged 3.75 in the second quarter and they led 3-0, but they also switched it up to Robert Turbin who rushed several times averaging 6 ypc. They held them to 2.3 YPC in the third quarter. The 4th quarter was just kinda crazy with Seattle starting drives on the SF 25 and SF 2 and it just became a blow out.

Overall, Seattle rushed for 173 yards as a team. If Trich gets 173 yards this weekend on the ground, that will be called a successful running game.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm hoping the Colts feed Richardson the ball a lot. The Seahawks just manhandled them with the run last week. I would think everyone is going to try to run on them until the 49ers show they can stop it. I don't own Richardson in a league I just want to see what the 49ers do.

let's just bear in mind lynch averaged 3.5 ypc, which is not exactly manhandling anyone, and sea was in position to feed lynch the ball 28x.

do you think indy def can replicate what sea did and hold sf to 3 points?

also, while sf had a p strong run def last year -- 4th in rush yds allowed, and 3rd in ypc at 3.7, lynch managed 214 / 4.8 ypc in his 2 games against them last year, scoring one of the 7 td's they let up.

lacy couldn't even manage 3 ypc, and he's in an even better situation than richardson supposedly is.

Lynch averaged 7 ypc in the first quarter when it was tied 0-0. He averaged 3.75 in the second quarter and they led 3-0, but they also switched it up to Robert Turbin who rushed several times averaging 6 ypc. They held them to 2.3 YPC in the third quarter. The 4th quarter was just kinda crazy with Seattle starting drives on the SF 25 and SF 2 and it just became a blow out.

Overall, Seattle rushed for 173 yards as a team. If Trich gets 173 yards this weekend on the ground, that will be called a successful running game.

I'll be moderately surprised if richardson gets 47 carries

are these serious posts or are you trolling?

 

[Bob Magaw]

daniel jeremiah listed four major needs on offense for CLE in 2014 draft on total access fri...

reminder they are averaging only 8 PPG...

in order...

QB - nuf sed.

WR - since braylon edwards caught 16 TDs in 2007, no WR has caught more than 5 TDs.

RT - have already given up 11 sacks

RB - nuf sed

 

[ghostguy123]

daniel jeremiah listed four major needs on offense for CLE in 2014 draft on total access fri...

reminder they are averaging only 8 PPG...

in order...

QB - nuf sed.

WR - since braylon edwards caught 16 TDs in 2007, no WR has caught more than 5 TDs.

RT - have already given up 11 sacks

RB - nuf sed

QB............................anything else is a distant 2nd. All those things COMBINED are a distant 2nd.

Only thing I disagree with is Schwartz at RT. While he has SUCKED so far this year, he also sucked last year at the beginning but turned out to be very good the last 10 games or so. So, wait-and-see approach on him for me. I would put guard and CB ahead of RT.

 

[dickey moe]

Jay Glazer just reported that several teams told him they would have given up more than just a first round pick for Richardson but the Browns didn't contact anyone else.

Saw that. Pretty unbelievable -- unless you're talking about the Browns management.

 

[Banger]

Choo choo

 

[Bobcat10]

Jay Glazer just reported that several teams told him they would have given up more than just a first round pick for Richardson but the Browns didn't contact anyone else.

Saw that. Pretty unbelievable -- unless you're talking about the Browns management.

That happens in fantasy sports too. You traded him for that? I woulda given you alot more for him. Right...

If this leaked while Banner was trying to get more in return, which is almost a certainty, and the trade didn't happen for whatever reason, it would have been more of a local nightmare than it already was going to be (and that doesn't even speak to how TRich would have taken the news). That's why I think I believe when they say it all happened in a relatively short period of time too, a day or whatever.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'd love for Glazer to name some names because I'd be shocked if another team would've matched or topped Indy's offer.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

this dude is ingram 2.0

 

[ghostguy123]

And much like a lot of fantasy owners that said "my offer was better"...............until we hear it and the offer wasn't better, the guy just thought it was, haha.

Maybe some team would have given a 1st and 4th..........but maybe that team is a team the Browns project to be a lot better than the Colts, who knows.

I generally take a 1st from a team I think is worse than a 1st and 2nd from a better team for the same player, as do most of you I suspect.

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

 

[MDSkinner]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

This is one of those that as of right now really looks like a good trade for both teams. With Bradshaw looking pretty rough, the Colts probably need Trent more today than they did when they traded. Conversely, Cleveland looks way better since that time. Maybe it is just one of those that could work out for both but definitely Cleveland not looking nearly as silly today as they did a few weeks ago.

 

[meyerj31]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

They won the last two games because of their defense. And the fact that Manuel got knocked out in the middle of the 3rd quarter. And the fact that when they lost their starting QB tonight, they still had a first rounder to step in and finish the game well.

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

This is one of those that as of right now really looks like a good trade for both teams. With Bradshaw looking pretty rough, the Colts probably need Trent more today than they did when they traded. Conversely, Cleveland looks way better since that time. Maybe it is just one of those that could work out for both but definitely Cleveland not looking nearly as silly today as they did a few weeks ago.

Why was it silly a few weeks ago?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I'm not buying addition through subtraction for Cleveland. Think they would have won the last three with Trent.

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

They won the last two games because of their defense. And the fact that Manuel got knocked out in the middle of the 3rd quarter. And the fact that when they lost their starting QB tonight, they still had a first rounder to step in and finish the game well.

And?

 

[Raider Nation]

Although it is tough to argue that getting a 1st-rounder was enough for Trent and his workmanlike 2.9 YPC.

 

[MDSkinner]

Anyone still laughing at the trade Cleveland made?

This is one of those that as of right now really looks like a good trade for both teams. With Bradshaw looking pretty rough, the Colts probably need Trent more today than they did when they traded. Conversely, Cleveland looks way better since that time. Maybe it is just one of those that could work out for both but definitely Cleveland not looking nearly as silly today as they did a few weeks ago.

Why was it silly a few weeks ago?

From my perspective it seemed crazy that they would spend the high first rounder to get Trent and then so quickly trade him away after he had such a solid rookie campaign.

Obviously any time you trade a RB for a first round pick, it is not silly. But when you use such a high pick to get that player, and then trade him so quickly it makes it not seem as sound as it would have otherwise. JMO, quite possibly not the majority opinion. Right now they are looking as good as gold for having done so.

 

[Raider Nation]

But when you use such a high pick to get that player, and then trade him so quickly it makes it not seem as sound as it would have otherwise.

Yes, but remember that this regime didn't draft him.

 

[MDSkinner]

But when you use such a high pick to get that player, and then trade him so quickly it makes it not seem as sound as it would have otherwise.

Yes, but remember that this regime didn't draft him.

Completely understood and I am sure that plays into it. If I were a Browns fan, I would not have been happy with the trade mainly because Trent was one of the big draws to this team heading into the season particularly with Gordon being suspended for a couple of games. Then going 0-2 to start, he really kind of seemed like one of the things that you could hang your hat on as a likely good player for years to come.

Now we are a few weeks into this thing and that perspective (if I were a Browns fan) would be vastly different.

I am not saying it is right that it seemed silly a few weeks ago, just that the luster on Trent was still brighter than it seems to be today. Today, the trade looks really good for Cleveland pretty much no matter who you are.

 

[Raider Nation]

The bigger picture here is that the future appears to be very bright, which is great to see. The NFL is more enjoyable when the Browns are good. They have great fans.

 

[pizzatyme]

It's pretty obvious the Browns are better without Richardson. I mean, McGahee and his low 2YPC is killing it!

 

[pollardsvision]

Pathetic franchise :X

Yeah, I expected more of the Colts.

We get it. You're trolling. Give it a rest.

I gave it a rest.

What's been going on in here since I've been gone?

 

[DaveGrumbles]

I'm not buying addition through subtraction for Cleveland. Think they would have won the last three with Trent.

You're not buying addition through subtraction?

Your scenario is:

With Trent = Browns win last three

Without Trent = Browns win last three... PLUS extra 1st round pick (<---hint: that's the addition part)

 

[Spin]

The NFL is more enjoyable when the Browns are good. They have great fans.

totally agree

 

[Fallerjw]

I'm not buying addition through subtraction for Cleveland. Think they would have won the last three with Trent.

As a Browns fan I don't think the Browns are necessarily better without Trent, but I'll take what they have now PLUS a first round pick vs. having TRich back.