The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)

[Don Quixote]

finally traded him for next years 2.1 and 3.1 picks.

idp dynasty.

well , at least you got something from him.

yeah, it's not great, but it seems his value's only going to keep going down.

good point.

How can his value get lower than that? Lol.

If that's all you can get, you're better off holding through next season. No way I'd sell his potential for a couple low lottery tickets.

i understand.but you wouldn't take Luke Kuechly and Ryan Tannehill?

Assuming you pick right. You could have also gotten Stephen Hill/Isiaih Pead and A.J. Jenkins.

 

[cstu]

Best "what's wrong with Richardson?" article I've seen yet: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/27/5034244/trent-richardson-trade-colts-offense

Very balanced in its conclusions but still not a great omen for Richardson...

That writer played OL for Stanford a while back, so he knows what he's talking about in terms of run blocking.

The last GIF (his longest run) is the most concerning to me. He's got a full head of steam through the hole but inexplicably cuts back to the middle of the field where's easily tackled by a CB. If he keeps running to the outside he has a chance of stiff-arming Rhodes and getting a TD.

 

[GreenNGold]

The Colts are 9th in the league for rushing yards/game, and 13th for rushing attempts/game. So while they are not as run-heavy as they could be, they are still not some team that refuses to run the ball like many in this thread try to make them out to be, TRich certainly has an opportunity here that he has yet to show any ability to take advantage of.

 

[The Ref]

I'm waiting to make final judgements on him till after this week. If he can't come off the bye and produce then I'm all set.

 

[amnesiac]

finally traded him for next years 2.1 and 3.1 picks.

idp dynasty.

well , at least you got something from him.

yeah, it's not great, but it seems his value's only going to keep going down.

good point.

How can his value get lower than that? Lol.

If that's all you can get, you're better off holding through next season. No way I'd sell his potential for a couple low lottery tickets.

i understand.but you wouldn't take Luke Kuechly and Ryan Tannehill?

Assuming you pick right. You could have also gotten Stephen Hill/Isiaih Pead and A.J. Jenkins.

obviously i don't always get them right. should've taken Luck at 1.1 instead of Richardson that year.

but i'm not going down with the ship for that mistake.

 

[DoubleG]

The Colts are 9th in the league for rushing yards/game, and 13th for rushing attempts/game. So while they are not as run-heavy as they could be, they are still not some team that refuses to run the ball like many in this thread try to make them out to be, TRich certainly has an opportunity here that he has yet to show any ability to take advantage of.

While I clearly stated at least twice that I agree with last part of your post (about TRich having been given ample opportunity to show something) , Richardson has had 20+ carries in a game exactly once in 5 games (4 without Bradshaw). He has 15+ carries in a game 2 of the 5. Comparing that to true "power run" teams like the Seahawks, Niners or even looking at the Vikings, Lynch has 15+ carries in all 7 coming into tonight (20+, 3 times). Gore has 15+ carries in all but 2 games (the two they lost, non-coincidentally) and 20+ carries 4 times in 8 games. Even ADP despite being on a team that is usually trailing and has an awful QB has gotten 20+ carries 3 times (one of them, their 1 win). No, the Colts have not committed to being a "power running team" nor have they fed him the ball - Richardson is 18th among active RBs in carries.

Has he been less-than advertised? Absolutely. Is his poor play partly a function of the way Indy is or isn't using him? I think to some extent, it is. Not a major and clearly not the only reason - but Indy's lack of commitment to the run is fairly clear when compared to other true "running" teams.

Another way they are not using him:

Receptions as a Colt through 5 games: 2

Last season, as a Brown (with the QB) and being a rookie: 51

Last season he had 3 fewer receptions than L. McCoy - but a higher YPR. Yet Indy in their wisdom have thrown to him exactly 2 times.

As I said, most of Trent's woes are his own poor performance - but Indy's lack of commitment to the run and their complete lack of using him the passing game has certainly not helped his season to this point. Can Trent turn things around? Maybe. But Indy and the way they are not using him certainly aren't helping matters much.

 

[Disposable Hero]

I finally traded TRich today. I tried throwing out several offers last week but no takers and there seemed no real interest to come to me and I understand why. I traded him for C.J. Spiller straight up. I realize Spiller has been a major bust as has Richardson and he has a high ankle sprain but I think if they rest Spiller until his ankle is better his ceiling is much higher than Richardson's. It's a keeper league and I probably wasn't going to keep Richardson anyway. I have Bernard and he looks like he will continue to produce in a Sproles like role. Him along with Graham/Cobb/Spiller/Allen give me some options going into next year. I may have made the wrong move but it seems like in keeper rankings I've seen, TRich and Spiller are close. I just couldn't watch Richardson plodding for 3 YPC anymore.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Best "what's wrong with Richardson?" article I've seen yet: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/27/5034244/trent-richardson-trade-colts-offense

Very balanced in its conclusions but still not a great omen for Richardson...

That writer played OL for Stanford a while back, so he knows what he's talking about in terms of run blocking.

The last GIF (his longest run) is the most concerning to me. He's got a full head of steam through the hole but inexplicably cuts back to the middle of the field where's easily tackled by a CB. If he keeps running to the outside he has a chance of stiff-arming Rhodes and getting a TD.

I was going to post the same thing, but was stuck reading the last page. Excellent read brought to us by Josh the funk.

It all goes back to basic physics. Force = Mass times acceleration. Richardson is quite a force when he is continuing his acceleration and ramping up speed. The second level hole is no place to be indecisive about where you are going to go. If he cuts outside, with a full head of steam, no corner or safety will be able to bring him down with just an arm tackle. Probably needs at least two guys to bring him down, and that's likely a TD for anybody with a first round pedigree. On that run like the author says, he's just a guy.

Also, concerned about the playcalling. If they don't find a way to run successful plays to the outside, the defense is going to continue to spill to the outside and clean up the garbage with their safties. The line is horrible, especially the right tackle, and TY Hilton and Fleener's blocking is comical. They need to call more end around reverses to throw a wrench in the defensive gameplan. Maybe move DHB to the slot where he can help chip. They need to figure out how to balance their inside/outside running game or there won't be any good running lanes to take advantage of Richardson's inside power running game.

ETA: Can't understate how awful the blocking is. Especially TY Hilton's complete whiff on the corner on the one inside run. There's no excuse for that. Hilton has the knowledge it's going to be a run play and the corner doesn't and yet the corner beats Hilton to the hole. Hilton is off running a decoy route after the whiff for some unknown reason. Looks to me like Hilton wants nothing to do with putting his body on another body for the sake of opening up lanes. For all his proficiency at catching a circus catch here and there, he's a liability for what he doesn't do helping out T Rich and running game.

 

[Todem]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

If this happens he can be a viable FF RB2 at the very least the rest of the way. They must feed him and feed him often to have a shot at setting up the pass down field.

I hope this comes to fruition. I know a lot of us who own T.Rich are hanging on....still very much in the hunt for a post season spot....and he can be the player to tip the scales for us either way at this point.

This week will be a huge tell in all of this. Coming off a bye.....losing Wayne....he should be the centerpiece of the gameplan to get Luck and Co going.

 

[need2know]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

If this happens he can be a viable FF RB2 at the very least the rest of the way. They must feed him and feed him often to have a shot at setting up the pass down field.

I hope this comes to fruition. I know a lot of us who own T.Rich are hanging on....still very much in the hunt for a post season spot....and he can be the player to tip the scales for us either way at this point.

This week will be a huge tell in all of this. Coming off a bye.....losing Wayne....he should be the centerpiece of the gameplan to get Luck and Co going.

Maybe. I expect fleener to be more involved too

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Very broad brushstroke you have regarding TRich, he sucks so it's all his fault, and the Colts are winning despite his sucktittude.

He's not running like his high first round pedigree, but what do you have to say about the awful blocking. The tackles getting pushed back into his milestones on his cutbacks. He constantly has to reposition his feet because the play as its drawn on the chalkboard isn't properly executed in front of him. Not apologizing for the guy but it's not all his fault.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Very broad brushstroke you have regarding TRich, he sucks so it's all his fault, and the Colts are winning despite his sucktittude.

He's not running like his high first round pedigree, but what do you have to say about the awful blocking. The tackles getting pushed back into his milestones on his cutbacks. He constantly has to reposition his feet because the play as its drawn on the chalkboard isn't properly executed in front of him. Not apologizing for the guy but it's not all his fault.

If you take the time to search, you'll find my exact opinion spelled out in minute detail; I'm not going to regurgitate it all again. In a nutshell, the Colts don't have a dominant power run blocking o-line, but Richardson himself carries a ton of blame -- he lacks both the vision and the burst to be a great NFL runner. YMMV.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm not going to regurgitate it all again. In a nutshell, the Colts don't have a dominant power run blocking o-line, but Richardson himself carries a ton of blame -- he lacks both the vision and the burst to be a great NFL runner. YMMV.

Coming out the bye week, knowing that they have lost Reggie Wayne, and knowing they have underfperformed in the trenches blocking for Richardson, doesn't it make sense to clean up that gameplan. Doesn't Pep look at his weapons and adapt to the skillsets he still has?

They are a good team. 5-2 is evidence of that. But they got there based on Luck being a superior QB behind an awful O-line, and an overreliance on Reggie Wayne. Now the pecking order is Hilton, DHB and Fleener. Good luck with that. They should be forced now going forward to a more balanced attack and Richardson absolutely has to be a big part of that. Or else, the 5-2 record will be a mirage and they will miss the playoffs. The game plan has to change. The receiving weapons left are going to dictate that change.

 

[Todem]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.

So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

 

[JustinHawkins]

If Trent is going to make an impact this year, this is the week you would think it starts. I agree with Todem, the Colts have to come up with a new game plan minus Wayne. Maybe Trent benefits. Or maybe its Donald Brown or Fleener. But someone will have to replace Wayne's production. He moved the chains and scored TDs. Vital cog in the offense.

 

[cpd90]

I have to start him this week due to bye weeks. If he gets going this week, I reap the benefits. If he doesn't, he's glued to the bench for the remainder of the season.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'm not going to regurgitate it all again. In a nutshell, the Colts don't have a dominant power run blocking o-line, but Richardson himself carries a ton of blame -- he lacks both the vision and the burst to be a great NFL runner. YMMV.

Coming out the bye week, knowing that they have lost Reggie Wayne, and knowing they have underfperformed in the trenches blocking for Richardson, doesn't it make sense to clean up that gameplan. Doesn't Pep look at his weapons and adapt to the skillsets he still has?

They are a good team. 5-2 is evidence of that. But they got there based on Luck being a superior QB behind an awful O-line, and an overreliance on Reggie Wayne. Now the pecking order is Hilton, DHB and Fleener. Good luck with that. They should be forced now going forward to a more balanced attack and Richardson absolutely has to be a big part of that. Or else, the 5-2 record will be a mirage and they will miss the playoffs. The game plan has to change. The receiving weapons left are going to dictate that change.

for your excuse when the Colts win without Richardson.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm not going to regurgitate it all again. In a nutshell, the Colts don't have a dominant power run blocking o-line, but Richardson himself carries a ton of blame -- he lacks both the vision and the burst to be a great NFL runner. YMMV.

Coming out the bye week, knowing that they have lost Reggie Wayne, and knowing they have underfperformed in the trenches blocking for Richardson, doesn't it make sense to clean up that gameplan. Doesn't Pep look at his weapons and adapt to the skillsets he still has?

They are a good team. 5-2 is evidence of that. But they got there based on Luck being a superior QB behind an awful O-line, and an overreliance on Reggie Wayne. Now the pecking order is Hilton, DHB and Fleener. Good luck with that. They should be forced now going forward to a more balanced attack and Richardson absolutely has to be a big part of that. Or else, the 5-2 record will be a mirage and they will miss the playoffs. The game plan has to change. The receiving weapons left are going to dictate that change.

for your excuse when the Colts win without Richardson.

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team. Simple as that. Could they get to the playoffs with thier pass happy offense minus Reggie Wayne? I seriously doubt it. I'm saying stick a fork in them if they don't change their offensive game plan as Todem suggested in his post.

 

[Joe Summer]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I am not saying that everything is on Richardson. Luck is their MVP, no doubt about it. But the receiving weapons cannot carry this team far. The defense has been playing well lately, and could keep them in games. But offensively, the schematic that got them 5 wins has to be torn up and redrawn. Luck is not Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers. Not yet anyway. He doesn't just pick up where he left off without his #1 WR. The inbalanced offense wasn't going to go far anyway even if the Colts were to make the playoffs. If they can't find a running game soon, they're done. If Brown or someone else can get the ball rolling, and it's not Richardson, then I'll eat my words. But they won't go far with their current RB level of production. Luck won't be able to pass this team as assembled to the playoffs without a drastic change in the gameplan. They got to get Richardson going.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

 

[FUBAR]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

If this happens he can be a viable FF RB2 at the very least the rest of the way. They must feed him and feed him often to have a shot at setting up the pass down field.

I hope this comes to fruition. I know a lot of us who own T.Rich are hanging on....still very much in the hunt for a post season spot....and he can be the player to tip the scales for us either way at this point.

This week will be a huge tell in all of this. Coming off a bye.....losing Wayne....he should be the centerpiece of the gameplan to get Luck and Co going.

I'm buying into most of what you're saying here. Yet, TRich sits on my bench as Fred Jackson starts. I don't anticipate using Rich until next year. Really don't see him being the guy who leads FF teams to championships but I do think he can help the Colts win the AFC if only in a limited role.

 

[werdnoynek]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I am not saying that everything is on Richardson. Luck is their MVP, no doubt about it. But the receiving weapons cannot carry this team far. The defense has been playing well lately, and could keep them in games. But offensively, the schematic that got them 5 wins has to be torn up and redrawn. Luck is not Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers. Not yet anyway. He doesn't just pick up where he left off without his #1 WR. The inbalanced offense wasn't going to go far anyway even if the Colts were to make the playoffs. If they can't find a running game soon, they're done. If Brown or someone else can get the ball rolling, and it's not Richardson, then I'll eat my words. But they won't go far with their current RB level of production. Luck won't be able to pass this team as assembled to the playoffs without a drastic change in the gameplan. They got to get Richardson going.

the Colts have the 3 most impressive wins in the NFL this season IMO

Win at SF

Win vs Seattle (their only loss)

Win vs Denver (their only loss)

the colts win and are doing just fine with the status quo

Wayne seemed to be criminally under-used anyway. Lets see how Fleener/Hilton/DHB pick up the slack

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

Richardson -- 75 for 228 @ 3.0

Brown, Bradshaw, Ballard -- 87 for 444 @ 5.1

I agree that it's funny...

 

[werdnoynek]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

Richardson -- 75 for 228 @ 3.0

Brown, Bradshaw, Ballard -- 87 for 444 @ 5.1

I agree that it's funny...

Oh so it's 3 players vs 1 - that's a great way to compare them.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

Richardson -- 75 for 228 @ 3.0Brown, Bradshaw, Ballard -- 87 for 444 @ 5.1

I agree that it's funny...

Oh so it's 3 players vs 1 - that's a great way to compare them.

Richardson 3.0

Ballard 4.8

Bradshaw 4.5

Brown 5.9

Waiting on the newest excuse. Are we still on "learning the play book?" Or have we moved on to "line that only blocks for the other guys" and "stupid coaches not using him right" yet?

 

[Todem]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.

One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

 

[Todem]

I am not saying that everything is on Richardson. Luck is their MVP, no doubt about it. But the receiving weapons cannot carry this team far. The defense has been playing well lately, and could keep them in games. But offensively, the schematic that got them 5 wins has to be torn up and redrawn. Luck is not Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers. Not yet anyway. He doesn't just pick up where he left off without his #1 WR. The inbalanced offense wasn't going to go far anyway even if the Colts were to make the playoffs. If they can't find a running game soon, they're done. If Brown or someone else can get the ball rolling, and it's not Richardson, then I'll eat my words. But they won't go far with their current RB level of production. Luck won't be able to pass this team as assembled to the playoffs without a drastic change in the gameplan. They got to get Richardson going.

the Colts have the 3 most impressive wins in the NFL this season IMO

Win at SF

Win vs Seattle (their only loss)

Win vs Denver (their only loss)

the colts win and are doing just fine with the status quo

Wayne seemed to be criminally under-used anyway. Lets see how Fleener/Hilton/DHB pick up the slack

He was on pace for

90/1150/5

And that is just doing some averages based on the first 7 games he played. YOu know one or two games Wayne would probably have a multi TD game easy.

So.....who is going to give you that?

DHB?

Ty Hilton?

No...it has to come from a game plan that firmly establishes a solid ground game.....I think they will dare the Colts to Run first. If they do...then guys like Fleener and Hilton can make some noise on play action.

If the Colts try to do exactly what they did with Wayne in the lineup.....I say they miss the post season. Their defense has been a surprise....and hey maybe that can carry them into the wild card. But they are in trouble....Waynes absence cannot be overlooked one bit. He was Lucks security blanket. They don't have a WR even close to his skill set right now.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?

As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

 

[Spike]

finally traded him for next years 2.1 and 3.1 picks.

idp dynasty.

well , at least you got something from him.

yeah, it's not great, but it seems his value's only going to keep going down.

good point.

How can his value get lower than that? Lol.

If that's all you can get, you're better off holding through next season. No way I'd sell his potential for a couple low lottery tickets.

Absolutely. Might as well outright drop him if that's all you're asking for/willing to accept.

 

[werdnoynek]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

Richardson -- 75 for 228 @ 3.0Brown, Bradshaw, Ballard -- 87 for 444 @ 5.1

I agree that it's funny...

Oh so it's 3 players vs 1 - that's a great way to compare them.

Richardson 3.0

Ballard 4.8

Bradshaw 4.5

Brown 5.9

Waiting on the newest excuse. Are we still on "learning the play book?" Or have we moved on to "line that only blocks for the other guys" and "stupid coaches not using him right" yet?

Scroll up.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I won't be making excuses for Richardson or the Colts. Either they figure out how to make Richardson the star RB they traded for or they fade away into an also ran non-playoff team.

Or they win without him.

No way in hell. go ahead and that.

You seriously suggesting that putting everything on Mr. 3 YPC's shoulders gives Indy a better chance to win than rolling with the best young QB in the game? Wow. Andrew Luck >>>>>>> Trent Richardson, regardless of who happens to be catching the ball. Say what you will about the reasons why, which are at least somewhat subjective, but at the end of the day, it is an absolute fact that Richardson has been a steaming pile of dog#### since arriving in Indy. He's been outplayed, and not by a little, by every other RB to get carries in a Colts' uni this year.

Richardson -- 75 for 228 @ 3.0Brown, Bradshaw, Ballard -- 87 for 444 @ 5.1

I agree that it's funny...

Oh so it's 3 players vs 1 - that's a great way to compare them.

Richardson 3.0Ballard 4.8

Bradshaw 4.5

Brown 5.9

Waiting on the newest excuse. Are we still on "learning the play book?" Or have we moved on to "line that only blocks for the other guys" and "stupid coaches not using him right" yet?

Scroll up.

Yeah, still not compelling the 2nd time around. Pretty sure the only people still making excuses are those of you that invested heavily in the guy. It's obvious to everyone else by now that he's just not that good. Good luck expecting the miracle turn around.

 

[Todem]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?

As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

I am not seeing what I want to see.....I do see a guy with a ton more potential than Brown and far more than Thomas.

Your right though....he has stunk. We agree on that.

If he ends up being a bust and does nothing this year.....I will eat the crowe.

And yeah......having a week off helps big time when you suddenly uproot yourself in the middle of the season. You would be amazed how much chaos happens in there personal life from a sudden move......Who knows....maybe it has not affected him....but it all plays into disruption and your mental approach to playing.

I think right now.....with T.Rich....it's between the ears. It's not physical. He has the tools. He needs to run with purpose, no hesitation. that will either come from repeated reps with this offense, or in your case......never because you firmly believe he is not ever going to be a productive NFL RB.

I am willing to see if he get's better on his new team. And it may not come till late this season if at all this year.

But I still believe he will be a successful RB.

 

[grateful zed]

crap, rivers hit the wire today and i got stafford on a bye. ive got no roster space and am about to drop the guy.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

I am not seeing what I want to see.....I do see a guy with a ton more potential than Brown and far more than Thomas.Your right though....he has stunk. We agree on that.

If he ends up being a bust and does nothing this year.....I will eat the crowe.

And yeah......having a week off helps big time when you suddenly uproot yourself in the middle of the season. You would be amazed how much chaos happens in there personal life from a sudden move......Who knows....maybe it has not affected him....but it all plays into disruption and your mental approach to playing.

I think right now.....with T.Rich....it's between the ears. It's not physical. He has the tools. He needs to run with purpose, no hesitation. that will either come from repeated reps with this offense, or in your case......never because you firmly believe he is not ever going to be a productive NFL RB.

I am willing to see if he get's better on his new team. And it may not come till late this season if at all this year.

But I still believe he will be a successful RB.

I'm guessing that being a 23 year old multimillionaire eases normal stress of moving a little bit. Trent wasn't packing and unpacking, looking for a decent temporary apartment, worried about getting DirectTV setup and stuff like a normal dude.

And agree to disagree on his talent. Vision is inherent. Burst is something you have or you don't. Expectations need to be lowered at some point, and 1 1/2 years in seems reasonable to me.

Good luck if you're plugging him in this week expecting something radically different than what we've seen thus far. At this point I'd need to see it first, but YMMV.

 

[Dizzy]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

I am not seeing what I want to see.....I do see a guy with a ton more potential than Brown and far more than Thomas.Your right though....he has stunk. We agree on that.

If he ends up being a bust and does nothing this year.....I will eat the crowe.

And yeah......having a week off helps big time when you suddenly uproot yourself in the middle of the season. You would be amazed how much chaos happens in there personal life from a sudden move......Who knows....maybe it has not affected him....but it all plays into disruption and your mental approach to playing.

I think right now.....with T.Rich....it's between the ears. It's not physical. He has the tools. He needs to run with purpose, no hesitation. that will either come from repeated reps with this offense, or in your case......never because you firmly believe he is not ever going to be a productive NFL RB.

I am willing to see if he get's better on his new team. And it may not come till late this season if at all this year.

But I still believe he will be a successful RB.

I'm guessing that being a 23 year old multimillionaire eases normal stress of moving a little bit. Trent wasn't packing and unpacking, looking for a decent temporary apartment, worried about getting DirectTV setup and stuff like a normal dude.

And agree to disagree on his talent. Vision is inherent. Burst is something you have or you don't. Expectations need to be lowered at some point, and 1 1/2 years in seems reasonable to me.

Good luck if you're plugging him in this week expecting something radically different than what we've seen thus far. At this point I'd need to see it first, but YMMV.

Oh I see, so in the Zac Stacy thread you blast his supporters because Zac Stacy could never be a good NFL RB based on the fact that he wasn't drafted high enough... but when it comes to #3 overall Trent Richardson, the NFL scouts just plain got it all wrong.

You like to argue just for the sake of arguing... which makes you a woman (not a compliment).

 

[hxperson]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

I am not seeing what I want to see.....I do see a guy with a ton more potential than Brown and far more than Thomas.Your right though....he has stunk. We agree on that.

If he ends up being a bust and does nothing this year.....I will eat the crowe.

And yeah......having a week off helps big time when you suddenly uproot yourself in the middle of the season. You would be amazed how much chaos happens in there personal life from a sudden move......Who knows....maybe it has not affected him....but it all plays into disruption and your mental approach to playing.

I think right now.....with T.Rich....it's between the ears. It's not physical. He has the tools. He needs to run with purpose, no hesitation. that will either come from repeated reps with this offense, or in your case......never because you firmly believe he is not ever going to be a productive NFL RB.

I am willing to see if he get's better on his new team. And it may not come till late this season if at all this year.

But I still believe he will be a successful RB.

I'm guessing that being a 23 year old multimillionaire eases normal stress of moving a little bit. Trent wasn't packing and unpacking, looking for a decent temporary apartment, worried about getting DirectTV setup and stuff like a normal dude.

And agree to disagree on his talent. Vision is inherent. Burst is something you have or you don't. Expectations need to be lowered at some point, and 1 1/2 years in seems reasonable to me.

Good luck if you're plugging him in this week expecting something radically different than what we've seen thus far. At this point I'd need to see it first, but YMMV.

Oh I see, so in the Zac Stacy thread you blast his supporters because Zac Stacy could never be a good NFL RB based on the fact that he wasn't drafted high enough... but when it comes to #3 overall Trent Richardson, the NFL scouts just plain got it all wrong.

You like to argue just for the sake of arguing... which makes you a woman (not a compliment).

Why do you bother arguing with this clown? honestly you should just save yourself the headache with this troll cause he will never stop.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I happen to like women.

zac stacy is like the anti-richardson

I looked at his runs a couple games ago on game rewind, and one thing I thought was a positive was that he was patient in letting the blocking set itself up, and he was able to find creases to slip through.

I had kind of a mixed opinion of him, but watched that game the other night, and he really seems to have pretty quick feet, and still looked like he could find the crease and get through it.

that's all about the exact opposite of richardson, and the o-line wasn't doing him any favors on that one game I saw on rewind.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I gotta believe with Wayne's Injury......T.Rich will be a huge focus in the gameplan now. You don't trade a 1st rounder for a guy to get 15 or less touches a game.

More importantly I think they really start to use him as a 3 down back and get him much more involved in the passing game.

At 5-2, why would they feel the need to change anything? I also don't think that they traded a 1st for the guy planning to give him < 15 touches / game; IMO it's more a function of Richardson himself not being the guy that the Colts (and everyone else) thought they were getting. Hard to feed a guy that ineffective a ton of touches when you're trying to win games. Richardson's fate is in his own hands, IMO; if he can increase his effectiveness he'll get more chances. If he continues to suck, he won't.

Well let's see....they lost their absolute best weapon in the passing game in Reggie Wayne.So...your telling me this team get's off to a 5-2 start with no Reggie Wayne? No....I don't think so.

He is that important to Luck. Now he has DHB and Ty Hilton......absolutely no possession WR to speak of....I mean we are talking about a first ballot HOF WR and you act like at 5-2 they don't have to change anything?

They don't have one of the most vital pieces of their offense anymore. So I think that comment is weak.....I am being forward thinking.....they have to make some big adjustments after losing Wayne.

So tell me....if the Lions lost Calvin Johnson.....you think they can keep running their offense business as usual?

Just a weak statement all the way around.

You may think T.Rich is not an NFL caliber RB....and you may be right....but IMO Wayne's injury may open the door for a lot more touches which IMO...has been lacking since he went to thew Colts. And that is a product also of learning a new playbook. And a lot of people think well....a RB is an easy position to come right in and play......but...he had no camp with the Colts. He had almost zero practice on blitz/pass protect assignments etc. So he has not been able to be utilized as a 3 down back per se. And that is where is value came from last year in Cleveland.

So it remains to be seen how his career turns out. But the entire point of my initial post was.....The Colts will be changing things. they have to.

If you think they will just keep going along like Wayne is not there and call the same game plan.....I think that is being really short sighted. They will have to adjust and really find out if they have a workhorse back.

Starting this week.

See, I think it's pretty weak that you've been hammering on the Miami coaches for months for continuing to feed Daniel Thomas in the face of Lamar Miller's higher YPC and more dynamic running ability, while coming into another thread calling for Richardson (another plodder who has actually been worse than Daniel Thomas BTW) to be featured at the expense of the more dynamic, 2x the YPC Donald Brown. Can't have it both ways based on who you wasted a high pick on in FF man.

Two completely different situations.One guy is on his third playbook in under two seasons. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Sorry....when a guy get's traded in-season it is very difficult to get comfortable with anything. Playbook, locker room, surroundings, home...everything was thrown into a loop.

Hence why it is rare to see in-season trades of players.

Give T.Rich the load and see if he can earn it. He is the type of back that will get better as the game progresses....he is a big physical runner.

Watching Lynch and Lacy you see them get stronger and stronger.....and you don't abandon them after 12-14 carries. You keep pounding.

But...the Colts are not a so called pwoer running team.....so why trade for the guy? Because he is a power back...who happens to have great hands to boot.

He has not looked great. I want a bigger sample size...on the new team...with a new playbook, new terminolgy etc. I think we still have not seen this kids full potential. Last season he was banged up...but played a ton of games and grinded out points for FF. He was solid.

I think we start seeing the same this week. I think the bye wek was critical for T.Rich to settle down, get his life in order...a chance to take a breath...and also lock in on the playbook, the locker room and getting a real game plan built around him and Luck.

Oh and as far as the YPC thing with Thomas and T.Rich........it is night and day the talent level. T.Rich's ceiling is the empire state building compared to Thomas who's can be compared to a double wide with a tin roof.

And the more dynamic Donald Brown.....seriously.....guy is so good they had Ballard, Bradshaw...and then traded for T.Rich to be ahead of him.

Stop it man.

You're seeing what you want to see man. Trent needed the bye week to get his life in order? What are you, his mom? We can argue reasons all day, but on the field, it's a point blank fact that Richardson has sucked. And until he stops sucking, it makes no sense whatsoever to give him MORE touches. I'm no Donald Brown fan, but again, you can't argue with the results. The Colts aren't -- they've increased Brown's involvement at the expense of the guy they just traded a 1st for -- doesn't that make you wonder a bit?As far as Daniel Thomas, yeah, he's just a guy. But what, exactly, makes him less of a RB than Trent Richardson right now? We all thought Richardson was a great talent coming out. At what point is it time to say maybe we were all wrong? Great RBs don't crap the bed at 3.0 YPC while getting pushed into RBBC by Donald friggin' Brown, despite being in a much better situation. All the excuses in the world can't change the fact that Richardson has been really, really bad thus far.

I am not seeing what I want to see.....I do see a guy with a ton more potential than Brown and far more than Thomas.Your right though....he has stunk. We agree on that.

If he ends up being a bust and does nothing this year.....I will eat the crowe.

And yeah......having a week off helps big time when you suddenly uproot yourself in the middle of the season. You would be amazed how much chaos happens in there personal life from a sudden move......Who knows....maybe it has not affected him....but it all plays into disruption and your mental approach to playing.

I think right now.....with T.Rich....it's between the ears. It's not physical. He has the tools. He needs to run with purpose, no hesitation. that will either come from repeated reps with this offense, or in your case......never because you firmly believe he is not ever going to be a productive NFL RB.

I am willing to see if he get's better on his new team. And it may not come till late this season if at all this year.

But I still believe he will be a successful RB.

I'm guessing that being a 23 year old multimillionaire eases normal stress of moving a little bit. Trent wasn't packing and unpacking, looking for a decent temporary apartment, worried about getting DirectTV setup and stuff like a normal dude.And agree to disagree on his talent. Vision is inherent. Burst is something you have or you don't. Expectations need to be lowered at some point, and 1 1/2 years in seems reasonable to me.

Good luck if you're plugging him in this week expecting something radically different than what we've seen thus far. At this point I'd need to see it first, but YMMV.

Oh I see, so in the Zac Stacy thread you blast his supporters because Zac Stacy could never be a good NFL RB based on the fact that he wasn't drafted high enough... but when it comes to #3 overall Trent Richardson, the NFL scouts just plain got it all wrong.

You like to argue just for the sake of arguing... which makes you a woman (not a compliment).

Name calling -- such a great way to earn points in a debate. And since you're evidently having a really hard time understanding my stance, I'll summarize for you: draft position is the strongest indicator of NFL success, until a player accumulates a significant sample size of NFL work, which can either reinforce that initial assessment, or contradict it. That's it. If you're going to roll out full on condescending d-bag style, it's generally best to have some clue what you're talking about.

 

[amnesiac]

finally traded him for next years 2.1 and 3.1 picks.

idp dynasty.

well , at least you got something from him.

yeah, it's not great, but it seems his value's only going to keep going down.

good point.

How can his value get lower than that? Lol.

If that's all you can get, you're better off holding through next season. No way I'd sell his potential for a couple low lottery tickets.

Absolutely. Might as well outright drop him if that's all you're asking for/willing to accept.

brilliant!!you must be one of those Hawks that Otis talks about.

 

[werdnoynek]

Waldman just posted this on twitter... a great article looking into whether it's the line or Richardson himself that's causing his struggles.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10/27/5034244/trent-richardson-trade-colts-offense

ETA: It's quite unbiased when it comes to our ongoing debate here showing a bit of each side of the argument while not just looking at YPC... heh heh.

 

[duaneok66]

People are still willing to go to the ends of the earth to justify mediocre play.

 

[werdnoynek]

People are still willing to go to the ends of the earth to justify mediocre play.

Same can be said for those trying to condemn him to mediocrity after a year and a half. The half a year following a top 10 performance.

 

[flc735]

I had him in 3 leagues. Washed my hands of him last week. Traded him for

Trent for Harvin

Trent and a 2nd for Harvin

Trent, heath, 1st, 1st for Graham and Roddy

ppr dynasties

I no longer think he can become a stud RB. As long as he doesn't, I'm happy with these deals. I wanted to get some value for him before it became too late.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

People are still willing to go to the ends of the earth to justify mediocre play.

I don't mind it when people lie to themselves, but it's annoying when they get angry at other people for not believing their garbage.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Will NFL teams begin dropping Alabama RB's down their draft board?....they should, and draft the 'bama O-linemen. Either that or improve the "actual player" scouting -

Trent just doesn't look good; and I'm slowly starting to believe that he is....well...not good.

I wrote off his low YPC in Cleveland - simply because he was in Cleveland. Now that the is in Indy you would think at least that YPC would rise no? Donald Brown looks much better in that offense; yes he knows it well..but I would think if TRich is as talented as everyone thought he was - it would show. Not like We are talking about a young WR here, that is dependent on QB play and scheme. If Trent was really the real deal we should be able to see some flash, and there isn't any. Nothing "wow" at least IMO.

Careful scouting when an Alabama RB is high on the dynasty draft board. I hated Ingam coming in, didn't believe in Trent, and thought Lacy would flop and be constantly injured. Was wrong about Lacy - he looks good.

If you somehow have Trent as your RB3 or flex..then he is actually a nice player to own right now - injuries and bye weeks are going to force him into a lot of lineups. He is healthy, and in an offense that after loosing Wayne - SHOULD lean towards getting the running game going. All that being said, if he is your RB2.... RB1? then I'm sure you hate owning him, and should sell high if he has a plus game this week.