The Trent Richardson Thread (4 Viewers)

[RBM]

Honesty, it is funny now, but I hope there is someone to seriously challenge this kid this offseason. I don't mean another player to challenge his spot, but a coach or management or mentor. Worst thing for him is if he's just coddled and has excuses made for him. He needs a #### Vermeil/diaper moment.

Eta: "Richard Vermeil"

 

[Yitbos69]

Trent did not look good this year....but even given how bad he looked he was still better than Brown was catching the ball out of the backfield....and in the last 4 games of the reg. season Avg. 4 more ypr than Brown...Brown was better running the ball....but how many years did it take for brown to get to that point...lets not forget Brown was a 1st round pick for the colts and it took him 5 years just to be OK. Trent will be given every chance to be the guy in Indy next year....everything points to the Colt belief in Trents talent and their need to prove that Trent is what most of us thought he was....Trent might still fail but it wont be because he was not given the opportunity to succeed. I am looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

 

[Yitbos69]

He just fumbled

its funny that there is so much focus on his fumble....in his 1st two years in the league he has a total of 2 fumbles lost.....he clearly does not have a problem with fumbles

 

[matttyl]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

 

[cstu]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

 

[Gandalf]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

Agreed. No way.

There is a lot of TRich hate on this board, but the reality it that is because he was drafted too high last year. Don't compound the mistake by trading him low. Better to hold him and hope that having an off season with the Colts will help him. I am a TRich owner and this is what I am doing. If I am wrong, oh well, you lose the 1.8 pick. If I am right, you just traded a top RB and the comeback player of the year (other than maybe CJ spiller) for peanuts.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Honesty, it is funny now, but I hope there is someone to seriously challenge this kid this offseason. I don't mean another player to challenge his spot, but a coach or management or mentor. Worst thing for him is if he's just coddled and has excuses made for him. He needs a #### Vermeil/diaper moment.

Eta: "Richard Vermeil"

It can be hard to challenge someone not motivated when they have around 20 million locked up.

 

[humpback]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

Agreed. No way.

There is a lot of TRich hate on this board, but the reality it that is because he was drafted too high last year. Don't compound the mistake by trading him low. Better to hold him and hope that having an off season with the Colts will help him. I am a TRich owner and this is what I am doing. If I am wrong, oh well, you lose the 1.8 pick. If I am right, you just traded a top RB and the comeback player of the year (other than maybe CJ spiller) for peanuts.

I think you're reading that incorrectly.

 

[Gandalf]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

Agreed. No way.

There is a lot of TRich hate on this board, but the reality it that is because he was drafted too high last year. Don't compound the mistake by trading him low. Better to hold him and hope that having an off season with the Colts will help him. I am a TRich owner and this is what I am doing. If I am wrong, oh well, you lose the 1.8 pick. If I am right, you just traded a top RB and the comeback player of the year (other than maybe CJ spiller) for peanuts.

I think you're reading that incorrectly.

Haha. You are probably right. I'm telling you all. Selling TRich at the bottom is not the answer. Better to go down with the ship still this point or hope he turns it around.

 

[ghostguy123]

Haha. You are probably right. I'm telling you all. Selling TRich at the bottom is not the answer. Better to go down with the ship still this point or hope he turns it around.

Call me crazy, but trading Richardson for pick 8 seems like it would be selling HIGH.

 

[Gandalf]

Everyone is making like his first season was a bust. It wasn't. Not even close. Then he gets traded mid-season. I cant remember that ever happening to a starting RB before. Mid season not at the beginning. Clearly last year was a disaster and if you are going to use that as your barometer for his future than yes by all means sell. Not sure who will be around at 1.8 but know this, if he rebounds you are selling low.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Days after Week 2 is not mid-season.

 

[ghostguy123]

Everyone is making like his first season was a bust. It wasn't. Not even close. Then he gets traded mid-season. I cant remember that ever happening to a starting RB before. Mid season not at the beginning. Clearly last year was a disaster and if you are going to use that as your barometer for his future than yes by all means sell. Not sure who will be around at 1.8 but know this, if he rebounds you are selling low.

His rookie year wasnt a bust, but when is he ever going to get 300+ touches again?? He scored well for fantasy because he got a TON of touches. His efficiency was quite low.

As a Browns fan, I was pretty disappointed that THAT guy was the #3 pick during his rookie year.

It wasn't a bust, but I can't call it good. 50 other RBs in the NFL would have produced just as well on that many touches.

 

[starks]

Give Martin for T. Rich and 2nd pick in dyno rookie/FA draft?

 

[cstu]

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.3

2 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.1

3 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.9

4 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.2

5 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.9

6 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.7

7 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.2

8 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.5

9 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.3

10 Cad. Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.3

11 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.8

12 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.5

13 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.5

14 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.0

15 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.8

16 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.6

17 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.3

18 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.6

19 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.7

20 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.8

21 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.0

22 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.5

23 K. Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.8

24 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.3

25 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Been offered T Rich for the #8 rookie pick. I'm very much thinking no, but could be talked into it.....

Agreed. No way.

There is a lot of TRich hate on this board, but the reality it that is because he was drafted too high last year. Don't compound the mistake by trading him low. Better to hold him and hope that having an off season with the Colts will help him. I am a TRich owner and this is what I am doing. If I am wrong, oh well, you lose the 1.8 pick. If I am right, you just traded a top RB and the comeback player of the year (other than maybe CJ spiller) for peanuts.

I think you're reading that incorrectly.

Haha. You are probably right. I'm telling you all. Selling TRich at the bottom is not the answer. Better to go down with the ship still this point or hope he turns it around.

This isn't the bottom.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Give Martin for T. Rich and 2nd pick in dyno rookie/FA draft?

Just drop Martin if you want to make a play for the 1st overall 2015 pick.

 

[Todem]

Days after Week 2 is not mid-season.

No it's not.....but he did not have a full off-season and camp with this team, that is huge......huge.

He was never comfortable with anything. He very may well be a bust. But I own him in one league and I am willing to give him another season with a full OTA, mini and training camp with his new playbook, QB and team. trying to fit in after all the practices etc....very very difficult.

In season practice is quite different from training camp, mini camp OTA's etc. Trent has all the tools. He was mentally a wreck last season....it was obvious. No confidence and he never looked comfortable with anything.

 

[ghostguy123]

Give Martin for T. Rich and 2nd pick in dyno rookie/FA draft?

Ugly.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Give Martin for T. Rich and 2nd pick in dyno rookie/FA draft?

why? tanking?

 

[Catbird]

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.32 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.13 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.94 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.25 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.96 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.77 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.28 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.59 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.310 Cad. Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.311 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.812 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.513 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.514 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.015 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.816 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.617 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.318 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.619 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.720 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.821 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.022 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.523 K. Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.824 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.325 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7

I'm not clear here. Is your point that only 6 guys in the last 30 years, who went on to stellar careers, in their first 2 years had 400 carries and 1,500 yards like TRich did and a better YPC rate?

 

[stbugs]

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.32 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.13 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.94 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.25 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.96 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.77 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.28 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.59 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.310 Cad. Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.311 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.812 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.513 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.514 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.015 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.816 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.617 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.318 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.619 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.720 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.821 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.022 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.523 K. Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.824 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.325 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7

I'm not clear here. Is your point that only 6 guys in the last 30 years, who went on to stellar careers, in their first 2 years had 400 carries and 1,500 yards like TRich did and a better YPC rate?

I think his point is that the only ones who had good careers were in the top 13 of this list and that none of the bottom 12 had good careers and out of those bottom 12, TRich was the worst. All of the bottom 12 peaked in those 1st two years, so pretty likely TRich will as well.

Here is how TRich stacks up as a RB to those awesome careers of the bottom 12:

YPC: 12th

Rushing Attempts: 5th

Rushing Yards: 8th

TDs: 5th (tied)

So efficiency wise, pretty much at the bottom, but at least he seems to be sort of effective at the goal line.

 

[stbugs]

Trent did not look good this year....but even given how bad he looked he was still better than Brown was catching the ball out of the backfield....and in the last 4 games of the reg. season Avg. 4 more ypr than Brown...Brown was better running the ball....but how many years did it take for brown to get to that point...lets not forget Brown was a 1st round pick for the colts and it took him 5 years just to be OK. Trent will be given every chance to be the guy in Indy next year....everything points to the Colt belief in Trents talent and their need to prove that Trent is what most of us thought he was....Trent might still fail but it wont be because he was not given the opportunity to succeed. I am looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Wow, talking about cherry picking. He had 4 more YPR in the last four games of the year? LOL. For the year, Richardson had 28-265-1TD and Brown had 27-214-2TD. TRich's career ypr average is 7.9. Brown's 2013 ypr was 7.9 and his career is 9.2 ypr. How about we look at the last 3 games of the year? TRich had 7.7ypr and Brown had 7ypr, not a huge difference. How about the playoffs? Brown had 5-50 receiving with 1 TD. How did TRich do in the playoffs? Heck, I got to watch the Colts a couple times and I remember 2 20 yard receptions for TRich where no defender got close to him before he got tackled and both times he go not a single extra yard more than he would have if it were two hand touch. He didn't break any tackles to get those nice receptions.

By the way, pretty sure the RB is also asked to carry the ball. In those last 4 games you want to point to, TRich was 49-152-1TD for 3.1 ypc. Brown was 31-159-2TD for 5.1 ypc. So, in the extra 18 carries TRich got, he netted the Colts an extra -7 yards. I could throw in the playoffs, but I am pretty sure that wouldn't be good for your cherry picking.

While it took 5 years as you say, did you miss that in 2011, Brown averaged 4.8ypc and had 645 yards? That was better than this year. While you say Brown took 5 years to be OK, he has a career 4.3ypc on slightly more carries than TRich has a 3.3ypc career. Nobody thinks Brown is a world beater, but his career so far has been better than TRich, he just has not been given much opportunity. In the same situation this year, Brown averaged 5.3 ypc compared to TRich's 3.2. If you watched any of the games this year, Brown outplayed him by a lot.

Next year may be different, but pointing to yards receiving over the last 4 games of the regular season when TRich played so poorly that he received 4 touches in 2 playoff games and of course got himself 1 yard and 1 fumble. The GM is saving face at this point, but there is nothing in 2013 to point at to try and say he did better than Brown in any way. Could TRich bounce back? Sure, but outside of one horribly defended play (arm tackles and strip attempts) against Cincy in 2012, his "highlight" are really not good if you look at them.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT1 Eddie George rb 1996--1997 32 692 2767 4.00 14 30 226 7.53 1 389.32 Marcel Shipp rb 2002--2003 31 416 1664 4.00 6 68 597 8.78 3 280.13 Julius Jones rb 2004--2005 21 454 1812 3.99 12 52 327 6.29 0 285.94 Antowain Smith rb 1997--1998 32 494 1964 3.98 16 33 188 5.70 0 311.25 Natrone Means rb 1993--1994 32 503 1995 3.97 20 49 294 6.00 0 348.96 Marshall Faulk rb 1994--1995 32 603 2360 3.91 22 108 997 9.23 4 491.77 Willis McGahee rb 2004--2005 32 609 2375 3.90 18 50 347 6.94 0 380.28 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2002 26 492 1904 3.87 13 46 341 7.41 0 302.59 Curtis Martin rb 1995--1996 32 684 2639 3.86 28 76 594 7.82 4 515.310 Cad. Williams rb 2005--2006 28 515 1976 3.84 7 50 277 5.54 0 267.311 Kevin Smith rb 2008--2009 29 455 1723 3.79 12 79 695 8.80 1 319.812 Matt Forte rb 2008--2009 32 574 2167 3.78 12 120 948 7.90 4 407.513 Ricky Williams rb 1999--2000 22 501 1884 3.76 10 72 581 8.07 1 312.514 Ron Johnson rb 1969--1970 28 401 1499 3.74 15 72 651 9.04 4 329.015 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.816 John Stephens rb 1988--1989 30 541 2001 3.70 11 35 305 8.71 0 296.617 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.318 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.619 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.720 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.821 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.022 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.523 K. Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.824 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.325 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7

I'm not clear here. Is your point that only 6 guys in the last 30 years, who went on to stellar careers, in their first 2 years had 400 carries and 1,500 yards like TRich did and a better YPC rate?

Awful.

 

[Catbird]

My point was that you show us 25 of who knows how many guys, which shows there aren't a lot of guys that have ever had as many yards rushing in their first 2 years as Trent, not showing that any of them did it hurt or ever had to play in an offense where they didn't get training camp or pre-season, and all the ones you choose to show had better yards per carry than he did. If you think that shows some great truth, you should point out your conclusion. It didn't jump out to me at all.

I think Trent's problem is not as much his numbers as how burstless he has looked getting them. I'm not optimistic about his future, but this list of numbers, apparently showing that no other RB since 2009 has as many carries and yards rushing in their first 2 years as Trent(?)is not the indictment you evidently meant it to be.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

My point was that you show us 25 of who knows how many guys, which shows there aren't a lot of guys that have ever had as many yards rushing in their first 2 years as Trent, not showing that any of them did it hurt or ever had to play in an offense where they didn't get training camp or pre-season, and all the ones you choose to show had better yards per carry than he did. If you think that shows some great truth, you should point out your conclusion. It didn't jump out to me at all.

I think Trent's problem is not as much his numbers as how burstless he has looked getting them. I'm not optimistic about his future, but this list of numbers, apparently showing that no other RB since 2009 has as many carries and yards rushing in their first 2 years as Trent(?)is not the indictment you evidently meant it to be.

So it doesn't look like you accurately determined what his search parameters were, which is important to understanding the chart in the first place.

 

[cstu]

Richardson rb 2012--2013 33 459 1514 3.30 14 86 683 7.94 2 315.7

I'm not clear here. Is your point that only 6 guys in the last 30 years, who went on to stellar careers, in their first 2 years had 400 carries and 1,500 yards like TRich did and a better YPC rate?

He has the absolute worst YPC of any RB in history with at least 400 carries their first two years. The fact that he was given enough carries to compile 1500 yards is meaningless. It's also convenient that you chose 1500 yards instead of 1400 since every back on the list has at least 1400. Look at the list of bums he's been worse than - he's awful.

 

[joey]

So if someone offers someone like Rice for TRIch, you go for it? A former-top RB on the downside of his career who might give you two or three more years of startable productions who might be a big win-now piece if he returns to form next year. Or cross your fingers and stick with the former stud RB who might four it together this off season.

Yes, this is a not-so-thinly-veiled WDIS question

 

[ghostguy123]

So if someone offers someone like Rice for TRIch, you go for it? A former-top RB on the downside of his career who might give you two or three more years of startable productions who might be a big win-now piece if he returns to form next year. Or cross your fingers and stick with the former stud RB who might four it together this off season.

Yes, this is a not-so-thinly-veiled WDIS question

I would if Richardson was a former stud. He was never a stud.

 

[SacramentoBob]

How is anyone even defending the guy at this point? I'm hoping he turns it around, but it seems increasingly unlikely.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said his top priority this offseason is to learn the Colts' offensive system.

"Learn the system, not just memorizing it," Richardson said. "Learning the whole concept of the system. There's a difference between having it memorized and feeling comfortable with the system. I’m going talk to a lot of veteran players, talk to Adrian (Peterson), talk to (LaDainian Tomlinson), talk to Emmitt Smith to make sure I’m the best I need to be next year." Richardson stresses that he's highly motivated to "put on a big show every weekend." Richardson checked in at No. 78 overall in our own Evan Silva's post-season fantasy top 200 last week.


Source: ESPN.com

 

[Paulymaggs]

Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said his top priority this offseason is to learn the Colts' offensive system.

"Learn the system, not just memorizing it," Richardson said. "Learning the whole concept of the system. There's a difference between having it memorized and feeling comfortable with the system. I’m going talk to a lot of veteran players, talk to Adrian (Peterson), talk to (LaDainian Tomlinson), talk to Emmitt Smith to make sure I’m the best I need to be next year." Richardson stresses that he's highly motivated to "put on a big show every weekend." Richardson checked in at No. 78 overall in our own Evan Silva's post-season fantasy top 200 last week.


Source: ESPN.com

Rotoworld loves them some TRich blurbs.

 

[need2know]

I would not flush this turd if I found him floating. I would have to leave him for the next guy to see

 

[squistion]

Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said his top priority this offseason is to learn the Colts' offensive system.

"Learn the system, not just memorizing it," Richardson said. "Learning the whole concept of the system. There's a difference between having it memorized and feeling comfortable with the system. I’m going talk to a lot of veteran players, talk to Adrian (Peterson), talk to (LaDainian Tomlinson), talk to Emmitt Smith to make sure I’m the best I need to be next year." Richardson stresses that he's highly motivated to "put on a big show every weekend." Richardson checked in at No. 78 overall in our own Evan Silva's post-season fantasy top 200 last week.


Source: ESPN.com

As a Richardson owner in one league, that was not what I wanted to hear. He seems to be saying that while he committed it to rote memory, he didn't actually understand the system he was playing in - or at least that is how I would interpret him saying he didn't learn it. I don't find his statement the least bit encouraging as to his prospects going forward.

 

[RBM]

BEAST

 

[Gandalf]

I am truly shocked at how badly he performed last year. Not in his rookie season which actually was okay. I have never seen such a good prospect look so awful. My biggest error in 20 years of playing FF. I think he is a bust. I take back every bad word I said about Cleveland for trading him. I was so wrong. My only comfort is that I wasn't completely alone. But man easily my biggest mistake of the past 20 years playing. Honestly shakes my confidence in my whole evaluation process. I think if I could learn one thing from this is that vision is a very important piece to evaluate and can be tricky for college players with outstanding offensive lines. I am going to try even harder to evaluate RBs vision in future rookies.

 

[Biabreakable]

Vision has always been a pretty big deal for me in RB evaluations. I do not recall reading any knocks on Richardson's ability in this regard as a pre Nfl draft prospect, it is possible the information was there and I just missed it? I find that doubtful however as that is specifically one of the things I look for.

Now after his rookie season there was some talk about this problem from some of the Brown's enthusiasts. But it was very difficult to account for the fact he played through rib injuries for a good chunk of his rookie season, and how that may have affected his performance.

Most of the bad press came out post trade. I think the Brown's did a pretty good job of damage control/keeping this a secret much of the off season, so as to not damage his trade value. Even DD was jumping on this bandwagon just before the season opened. All camp and preseason the Browns talked about Richardson being a staple of their offense. So I wouldn't be too hard on yourself for not seeing the red flags here Gandalf

I may be a sucker (again) here but I think Richardson could turn this around. He seems like an outstanding buy if you can afford it without rocking the cart of the rest of your roster too much.

I mostly blame the TGunz curse for what happened.

 

[stbugs]

Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said his top priority this offseason is to learn the Colts' offensive system.

"Learn the system, not just memorizing it," Richardson said. "Learning the whole concept of the system. There's a difference between having it memorized and feeling comfortable with the system. I’m going talk to a lot of veteran players, talk to Adrian (Peterson), talk to (LaDainian Tomlinson), talk to Emmitt Smith to make sure I’m the best I need to be next year." Richardson stresses that he's highly motivated to "put on a big show every weekend." Richardson checked in at No. 78 overall in our own Evan Silva's post-season fantasy top 200 last week.


Source: ESPN.com

As a Richardson owner in one league, that was not what I wanted to hear. He seems to be saying that while he committed it to rote memory, he didn't actually understand the system he was playing in - or at least that is how I would interpret him saying he didn't learn it. I don't find his statement the least bit encouraging as to his prospects going forward.

I agree. On the surface, it looks like he knows what he needs to learn, but geez, he was there for 14 games and then got 3 carries in 2 playoff games. RB is one of those positions that appears to be the easiest to learn. We see tons of rookie RBs making big contributions in their rookie seasons given enough touches, which Richardson got even while other Indy backs outplayed him.

I read it like you that it sounds worse under the surface that he didn't understand the system at all. It kind of plays into the vision aspect where he kept doing the wrong thing and didn't see anything but the original play. Most good RBs know when the play is not going to succeed and they have the vision to see the hole that is open. I'm sorry, but there are too many backups, rookies and even guys who get traded (Chris Ivory of all people averaged 4.6 ypc) for me to buy that story and not just think that he isn't going to get it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Anyone attribute this trade more to the Colt's jackass owner than their GM? The way he was all over twitter about it makes me think he pushed for it. I wonder if there is friction in the Colt's FO about this, either way?

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said his top priority this offseason is to learn the Colts' offensive system.

"Learn the system, not just memorizing it," Richardson said. "Learning the whole concept of the system. There's a difference between having it memorized and feeling comfortable with the system. I’m going talk to a lot of veteran players, talk to Adrian (Peterson), talk to (LaDainian Tomlinson), talk to Emmitt Smith to make sure I’m the best I need to be next year." Richardson stresses that he's highly motivated to "put on a big show every weekend." Richardson checked in at No. 78 overall in our own Evan Silva's post-season fantasy top 200 last week.


Source: ESPN.com

As a Richardson owner in one league, that was not what I wanted to hear. He seems to be saying that while he committed it to rote memory, he didn't actually understand the system he was playing in - or at least that is how I would interpret him saying he didn't learn it. I don't find his statement the least bit encouraging as to his prospects going forward.

As a Richardson owner in one league, this is precisely what I had hoped to hear. If he had said, "I came in, learned and knew the system perfectly, so I am not sure why I was so terrible out there.", I would be much more concerned. At least he knows there was a problem on more than a few levels and he claims to be committed to fixing it.

 

[joey]

And I like the part about talking to the great RBs about what it takes to be the best. Shows a dedication to the game and proving naysayers wrong. I want him to have a chip on his shoulder if there's any chance of him rebounding.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

People are going to read that quote however they want. The important thing is that he looked like a pile of garbage last season, even when he had the ball in his hands and a hole to run through. The lack of knowing "the whole concept of the system" doesn't cause a ball carrier to run into his own players or try to make his own holes. That's lack of vision, not knowing the offense.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People are going to read that quote however they want. The important thing is that he looked like a pile of garbage last season, even when he had the ball in his hands and a hole to run through. The lack of knowing "the whole concept of the system" doesn't cause a ball carrier to run into his own players or try to make his own holes. That's lack of vision, not knowing the offense.

It could be "overthinking", because he wasn't conformtable in the system, as well. That's the reason that rookie RBs sometimes do indeed struggle. Richardson wasn't a rookie and did look like utter crap so that isn't meant as a defense for him, just a possibility. Bottome line that even if that was the case that's on him and speaks to his "football IQ". I do think there is some hope as he looked fairly good on mnay runs during his rookie season despite a low ypc. This past season he looked like one of the worst RBs in NFL history though. I'd still like to buy low if I could, but in all my leagues his owners still beleive or at least they are being smart and just holding if they're not getting solid enough offers.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

People are going to read that quote however they want. The important thing is that he looked like a pile of garbage last season, even when he had the ball in his hands and a hole to run through. The lack of knowing "the whole concept of the system" doesn't cause a ball carrier to run into his own players or try to make his own holes. That's lack of vision, not knowing the offense.

It could be "overthinking", because he wasn't conformtable in the system, as well. That's the reason that rookie RBs sometimes do indeed struggle. Richardson wasn't a rookie and did look like utter crap so that isn't meant as a defense for him, just a possibility. Bottome line that even if that was the case that's on him and speaks to his "football IQ". I do think there is some hope as he looked fairly good on mnay runs during his rookie season despite a low ypc. This past season he looked like one of the worst RBs in NFL history though. I'd still like to buy low if I could, but in all my leagues his owners still beleive or at least they are being smart and just holding if they're not getting solid enough offers.

Isn't RB widely accepted as the easiest position to learn? And this is why a disproportionate number of rookie RBs play better than other skill position counterparts?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People are going to read that quote however they want. The important thing is that he looked like a pile of garbage last season, even when he had the ball in his hands and a hole to run through. The lack of knowing "the whole concept of the system" doesn't cause a ball carrier to run into his own players or try to make his own holes. That's lack of vision, not knowing the offense.

It could be "overthinking", because he wasn't conformtable in the system, as well. That's the reason that rookie RBs sometimes do indeed struggle. Richardson wasn't a rookie and did look like utter crap so that isn't meant as a defense for him, just a possibility. Bottome line that even if that was the case that's on him and speaks to his "football IQ". I do think there is some hope as he looked fairly good on mnay runs during his rookie season despite a low ypc. This past season he looked like one of the worst RBs in NFL history though. I'd still like to buy low if I could, but in all my leagues his owners still beleive or at least they are being smart and just holding if they're not getting solid enough offers.

Isn't RB widely accepted as the easiest position to learn? And this is why a disproportionate number of rookie RBs play better than other skill position counterparts?

Yes and no - it isn't as cut and dried as it seems. It's the easiest to learn as far as assignments (outside of pass protections) and responisbilities, and is instinctual to some extent, but not every rookie RB comes in a bursts onto the scene. A classic example is LeSean McCoy, who is arguably the best back in the league right now. His rookie season, he danced around a lot behind the line and sometimes made moves just for the sake of making a move which didn't allow him to take what was there, he'd ;eave yards on the field. His second season he learned that sometimes North-South is the way to go and now chooses when to stutter step or juke more wisely. When a hole is there, he bursts through it.

I've seen it with my team as well on a smaller scale. Bilal Powell ran very tentatively as a rookie and often lost yards because of it. He seemed to be overthinking on the field and not running naturally. His second season he looked far better (of course "far better" is a relative term as Powell just isn't an elite talent).

RBs do learn the position and become more savvy with experience. Not saying Richardson will ever get it - but it woudn't shock me, He does have obvious talent.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Yes and no - it isn't as cut and dried as it seems. It's the easiest to learn as far as assignments (outside of pass protections) and responisbilities, and is instinctual to some extent, but not every rookie RB comes in a bursts onto the scene. A classic example is LeSean McCoy, who is arguably the best back in the league right now. His rookie season, he danced around a lot behind the line and sometimes made moves just for the sake of making a move which didn't allow him to take what was there, he'd ;eave yards on the field. His second season he learned that sometimes North-South is the way to go and now chooses when to stutter step or juke more wisely. When a hole is there, he bursts through it.
I've seen it with my team as well on a smaller scale. Bilal Powell ran very tentatively as a rookie and often lost yards because of it. He seemed to be overthinking on the field and not running naturally. His second season he looked far better (of course "far better" is a relative term as Powell just isn't an elite talent).

RBs do learn the position and become more savvy with experience. Not saying Richardson will ever get it - but it woudn't shock me, He does have obvious talent.

Both of those were examples of guys adjusting to the NFL as a whole though, not learning the system (and neither was nearly as bad as Richardson was this year).

By the end of it all, Richardson was there for far too long to blame it on learning a new system. He was there longer than an NFL offseason. So what happens if it really takes him this long to learn a new system? Every time the Colts get a new OC or new running scheme Richardson reverts back to being useless?

 

[cstu]

Yes and no - it isn't as cut and dried as it seems. It's the easiest to learn as far as assignments (outside of pass protections) and responisbilities, and is instinctual to some extent, but not every rookie RB comes in a bursts onto the scene. A classic example is LeSean McCoy, who is arguably the best back in the league right now. His rookie season, he danced around a lot behind the line and sometimes made moves just for the sake of making a move which didn't allow him to take what was there, he'd ;eave yards on the field. His second season he learned that sometimes North-South is the way to go and now chooses when to stutter step or juke more wisely. When a hole is there, he bursts through it.

I've seen it with my team as well on a smaller scale. Bilal Powell ran very tentatively as a rookie and often lost yards because of it. He seemed to be overthinking on the field and not running naturally. His second season he looked far better (of course "far better" is a relative term as Powell just isn't an elite talent).

RBs do learn the position and become more savvy with experience. Not saying Richardson will ever get it - but it woudn't shock me, He does have obvious talent.

Despite the 'dancing' McCoy averaged 4.1 YPC his rookie year.

Powell averaged 4.0 YPC his 2nd year, the same as this year.

Leaving his utter disappointment in Indy out of it, Richardson averaged 3.4 YPC on a team where Ogbonnaya and Baker averaged 4.9 YPC and 4.1 YPC, respectively. To his credit he did outperform a 32 yo McGahee coming off a MCL tear and broken leg.

 

[menobrown]

Can barely give this guy away in any of my leagues.

And on the other hand I own him in a few leagues and constantly get trade offers for him. If I did not already own him I'd be out trying to acquire him at his buy low price. I can honestly say in the leagues I own him I've never offered him a trade or felt an offer I got was really worth consideration.

He stunk last year and I'm not really interested in spending the next 8 months defending him, so anyone who feels compelled to disagree with my stance is welcome and will not get a rebuttal from me. But this whole notion of selling a guy for pennies on the dollar because he stunk after getting traded in-season a year after he showed a lot of promise during an injury riddled rookie season is a notion I'll never get behind.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can barely give this guy away in any of my leagues.

And on the other hand I own him in a few leagues and constantly get trade offers for him. If I did not already own him I'd be out trying to acquire him at his buy low price. I can honestly say in the leagues I own him I've never offered him a trade or felt an offer I got was really worth consideration.

He stunk last year and I'm not really interested in spending the next 8 months defending him, so anyone who feels compelled to disagree with my stance is welcome and will not get a rebuttal from me. But this whole notion of selling a guy for pennies on the dollar because he stunk after getting traded in-season a year after he showed a lot of promise during an injury riddled rookie season is a notion I'll never get behind.

What is a low price for you? What offers have you gotten?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yes and no - it isn't as cut and dried as it seems. It's the easiest to learn as far as assignments (outside of pass protections) and responisbilities, and is instinctual to some extent, but not every rookie RB comes in a bursts onto the scene. A classic example is LeSean McCoy, who is arguably the best back in the league right now. His rookie season, he danced around a lot behind the line and sometimes made moves just for the sake of making a move which didn't allow him to take what was there, he'd ;eave yards on the field. His second season he learned that sometimes North-South is the way to go and now chooses when to stutter step or juke more wisely. When a hole is there, he bursts through it.
I've seen it with my team as well on a smaller scale. Bilal Powell ran very tentatively as a rookie and often lost yards because of it. He seemed to be overthinking on the field and not running naturally. His second season he looked far better (of course "far better" is a relative term as Powell just isn't an elite talent).

RBs do learn the position and become more savvy with experience. Not saying Richardson will ever get it - but it woudn't shock me, He does have obvious talent.

Both of those were examples of guys adjusting to the NFL as a whole though, not learning the system (and neither was nearly as bad as Richardson was this year).

By the end of it all, Richardson was there for far too long to blame it on learning a new system. He was there longer than an NFL offseason. So what happens if it really takes him this long to learn a new system? Every time the Colts get a new OC or new running scheme Richardson reverts back to being useless?

Sure, I was only responding/expanding on the point that a RB can "overthink" things. I said above that even if his excuse was the truth it still doesn't speak well to his football IQ, and would still be a concern.