HarddTimezz
Footballguy
Avoid all Colts running backs and get Luck wherever possible is the correct play. The best rb on the Colts wears #12. 6-8 rushing TD's expected.
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The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)
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It has nothing to do with peak physical condition. It's about proper stretching and warm up
Bob Barker
Footballguy
With ballards injury and the fact that the Colts said Trent will be given every opportunity to be the lead 3 down back should give Trent the volume of work to be an RB2. If he fails again adn gets benched then bradshaw will likely get the bulk of the work and should put up low end RB2 numbers.
Currently I would put Trent in the low RB2 ,high RB3 range (12 team league), about (rb20-rb28)
Jrodicus
Footballguy
(Rotoworld)The Colts are expected to dramatically increase their usage of two-tight end sets this season.
Analysis: Chuck Pagano and Pep Hamilton are showing no signs that they want to spread out the offense and saddle up Andrew Luck. Instead, they're going to get both Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener on the field in "12" looks and stubbornly stick with a ball-control philosophy. We'd rather take a shot on Allen than Fleener as he's far more talented and is set to play the Rob Gronkowski role.
Analysis: Chuck Pagano and Pep Hamilton are showing no signs that they want to spread out the offense and saddle up Andrew Luck. Instead, they're going to get both Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener on the field in "12" looks and stubbornly stick with a ball-control philosophy. We'd rather take a shot on Allen than Fleener as he's far more talented and is set to play the Rob Gronkowski role.
Concur.He's been going mid 6th round , RB26.
Personally, I would draft Hill, Hyde and West ahead of T Rich.
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What is the source on this? I could be wrong, but I think they will saddle up Andrew Luck. Maybe it is just my gut feel, but is there something behind this or is it Rotoworld's gut feel. That said, having Allen = Gronk and Fleener = Hernandez (I know, it certainly won't be that) IMHO is good for Luck. I don't think Fleener is any more than a slot WR. IIRC, he isn't much of a blocker, so this isn't 2 TE power running sets.
BTW, I went to Rotoworld and couldn't find this blurb. I went to Richardson's, Allen's and the Colts' page and didn't see it. I even went to the latest headlines and didn't see it there either.
False Start
Footballguy
Updated the title. 
Touchdown There
Footballguy
It's under Fleener. Seems like more shoddy "analysis" from Roto, and not sure why he posted it to begin with since it has little to do with Richardson.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
merge, plz
wait wat.....?
wait wat.....?
Jrodicus
Footballguy
A number of people have suggested that the Colts will be more pass happy this year and that the Colts RB, whomever that is, may not hold much value as a result. This blurb would seem to contradict that.
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Not surprising you take it that way, but it doesn't contradict that at all. It never even mentions the running game.
Yeah, it is interesting how people read into things. Jrod, did you read the article where Rotoworld got their observation? Take a look at these quotes and tell me how the article contradicts our thoughts that they will pass more and put the ball in Luck's hands more.
It sure seems like they will have greater flexibility in the offense and seemingly a better passing game. If I read into it, it seems like instead of a fullback for running, they have Allen, who is also a much better passing threat. IMHO, that tends to lead more credence to Luck doing better and passing more.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Pagano interview:
On his power-football emphasis: "That will never change. You're going to hear that until they run me out of there. From a mindset standpoint, it all starts with running the ball and stopping the run. We do have a great quarterback with a great arm and he has weapons to throw to. Certainly, we understand that and we know that, so it's nice to know that you can do that. ... You want to be a physical football team on both sides of the football and on special teams. I don't think dropping back and throwing it every time will develop that mindset."
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/25/colts-coach-chuck-pagano-problem-many-weapons/6869651/
On his power-football emphasis: "That will never change. You're going to hear that until they run me out of there. From a mindset standpoint, it all starts with running the ball and stopping the run. We do have a great quarterback with a great arm and he has weapons to throw to. Certainly, we understand that and we know that, so it's nice to know that you can do that. ... You want to be a physical football team on both sides of the football and on special teams. I don't think dropping back and throwing it every time will develop that mindset."
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/25/colts-coach-chuck-pagano-problem-many-weapons/6869651/
Jrodicus
Footballguy
As a Colts' fan, I really do hope that they open up the playbook and get more creative....but I'm not holding my breath. Nothing I've seen so far leads me to believe that they won't be a power-running type of team, but I would love to be wrong.
I really think Pagano wants to be a team like what we saw against the 49ers last year.
I really think Pagano wants to be a team like what we saw against the 49ers last year.
OK, we get it, you love TRich and he is the guy the D's try and stop. He will be a top 10 RB.
That article is from March and from the interview it looks like he was asked about his power-football and basically says that they will continue to run the ball and not pass every time. He also commented on Nicks and having Wayne and Allen back. I see nothing in there that says they won't pass more. They also took Moncrief in the 3rd round (with their second pick due to not having a 1st), so does that mean they selected him for his run blocking?
I could be wrong, but everything I see seems to point to a bigger passing attack. Doesn't mean they won't run, but Luck is the bell cow IMHO.
That would be awesome, but a big key to that win was Kaep playing awful and had 2 turnovers (I think he was the one that fumbled). I had Kaep in one league and he was terrible in the early season after week 1. SF also lost 29-3 the week before they played the Colts. In FF world, people were dropping Kaep due to his crapfest early on.
Also, very interesting that you bring up a game where TRich was 13-35 (2.7ypc) and everyone else was 27-149 (5.5 ypc). That almost mirrors the entire season's YPC differential.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
yes. Very interesting indeed. it almost seems as if I don't think TRich a stud, but rather that I think the Colts will run the ball a lot.
What is this based on, some blurb that doesn't say anything close to what you think it says?
Jrodicus
Footballguy
I'm a Colts season ticket holder who has seen every game the past 2 years, and at least 8 of them in-person (not counting pre-season); I've gone to many more over the years and probably only missed 5 games the past decade. I've followed the team pretty close since 1996, religiously since about 2004.
I've had the opportunity to go to luncheons with the players (2 years ago I got to talk with Pat McAfee and one of the strength and condition coaches). The Colts have conference calls with the season ticket holders where Bob Lamey (play by play announcer) interviews some of the players and coaches and the season ticket holders have a chance to ask questions.
Literally everything I have ever heard or read from Pagano says that he wants to be a power-running team on offense.
So now that you know what my opinion is based on...what's your opinion based on?
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Is that why they keep drafting and signing WRs and TEs, while relying on 3 injury prone RBs?
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Based on how you interpreted the roto blurb, it wouldn't be surprising if Pagano said they want to throw the ball more than any team in history and you translated that into them wanting to be a run-heavy offense.
You seem to be conflating other things here as well- being a "power-running team" doesn't mean that they are going to run the ball a lot. It simply means that when they do run, they want to run a power scheme.
On these super top secret conference calls and luncheons, did they say that they wanted to run the ball a ton last year? I suppose talking to the punter and strength and conditioning coach gives you the insider scoop, but my opinion is based on facts- they didn't, and there's no reason to think they are all of the sudden going to do so.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Marshall FaulkI'm not really sure how I feel about Richardson. The one league I have him I already had Bradshaw and bolstered RB depth upon getting him. I just don't like how he has been cast aside by a lot of people. Probably the same lot of people who were sold on him after his first season. Sure there are a great deal of excuses (the trade, playing injured) but maybe there is some legitimacy to that. I don't think the Colts can deny Luck's ability but Pagano has been about getting the run game established since he got there and Grigson has echoed that with picking up Richardson and Bradshaw last year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I understand the point you're trying to make, but not including the 997 receiving yards and 4 receiving TDs he had those first two seasons is glaring. Pretty awful comparison.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Best QB in the world and he wants to power run, 1980 called they want their play book back.
Pap will be gone soon
Pap will be gone soon
I wasn't trying to say Richardson = Faulk. You say that you understand my point then jump to the conclusion of awful comparison. #'s wise not many would realize how marginal of a RB Faulk would look in his first few seasons. If I had included his receiving numbers perhaps that would have brought people closer to the conclusion but I think most in their head would have thought it was a 3rd down back. I don't think people on this board used to be so comfortable writing players off. Yes, you'd have detractors and, in general, all out trolls but there was an openness to take on a once highly thought of player because they do get a lot of chances. Perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be Thomas Jones or Cedric Benson... I wanted people to be a little shocked though and see their perception might have also been skewed on one of the greatest FF backs ever at a certain point in his career.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
didn't think it was possible, but I think you just insulted ced benson.
now, I'll do one --- who am I?
188c 563y 3.0ypc 3td
I almost rolled my eyes out of my head.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
wait...I got another one
284c / 1011y / 3.6 / 7td
332c / 1207y / 3.6 / 11td
176c / 539y / 3.1 / 3td
drafted in the first 2 rounds
284c / 1011y / 3.6 / 7td
332c / 1207y / 3.6 / 11td
176c / 539y / 3.1 / 3td
drafted in the first 2 rounds
WHO AM I ?!?!?
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Faulk was RB4 and RB6 in those first two seasons. Yes, I do understand your point. A RB with a mediocre YPC early in his career can turn the corner. It's still a bad comparison. Richardson's YPC is less than mediocre.
That being said, I'm not sure there's a good comparison for Trent Richardson's first two seasons on a per carry basis. At least there likely isn't one to suggest anything positive. Still, Richardson's receiving numbers ARE good, and what most people interested in him are trying to figure out is if he can hit 4.0 YPC, which should allow him to keep his job. If he can he'll be a top 10 RB again.
Sounds like this may be before my time. Only UF backs I can think of with any success is Fred Taylor and Emmitt Smith and I know it's not them.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Someone actually used Faulk to make a point about Richardson. We have jumped the shark.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
I'm down on Richardson but that's way too low. There are people drafting him in the 50's of startups and he holds even more potential value in a 16 team league.
Bob Barker
Footballguy
Eric Rhett and yes he did suck for the rest of his career after 2 solid fantasy years with a low YPC. Not sure if injury had anything to do with it, or he just couldnt adjust to the pro game to get more than 3.5 YPCDr. Octopus said:
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pghrob
Footballguy
Trent Richardson RB | IND
Trent Richardson 'probably is who he is'
by Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com
(1 hr ago) CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora wrote in his analysis on the Colts that he's not banking on a bounceback season from running back Trent Richardson.
"At this point he probably is who he is," La Canfora continued. "The Colts will give him every opportunity to show otherwise, especially with [Vick] Ballard out, but will the explosion ever be there?"
La Canfora even floated the idea of Indy trading a tight end for a running back like Buffalo's C.J. Spiller.
Richardson averaged 2.9 yards per carry last season while rushing for three touchdowns and fumbling twice
Trent Richardson 'probably is who he is'
by Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com
(1 hr ago) CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora wrote in his analysis on the Colts that he's not banking on a bounceback season from running back Trent Richardson.
"At this point he probably is who he is," La Canfora continued. "The Colts will give him every opportunity to show otherwise, especially with [Vick] Ballard out, but will the explosion ever be there?"
La Canfora even floated the idea of Indy trading a tight end for a running back like Buffalo's C.J. Spiller.
Richardson averaged 2.9 yards per carry last season while rushing for three touchdowns and fumbling twice
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Rob't Turbin? Spiller?
