The Trent Richardson Thread (3 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

Look, the answer to all this is somewhere in the middle.

Richardson is not a bust or a bad player, but he clearly has something to prove. I think people really hurt their argument when they keep reiterating Richardson's yards per carry average. Yes, they've been historically mediocre. But football minds, minds much more knowledgeable than us, see some real promise in how Richardson's getting those yards. I am willing to withhold judgement until the end of this season. I think a key to Richardson making to the elite level could be his willingness to run angry. The guy is strong enough to be a bully.

One interesting comment made on one of last week's Audible podcasts was the concept that losing 10 pounds could help Richardson's speed.

have any of these minds ever drafted a bust?

guess not

Astrophysicists make errors. Are you willing to say you're smarter than an astrophysicist?

It's kind of a moot point anyway. While there was one team that thought Richardson's promise was worth a 1st rounder in spite of his ypc (well, 3 weeks ago they did at least) there is another that was even closer to Richardson that thought he was worth giving up for a pick significantly less valuable than the one they had just used on him a mere year prior.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Was offered Spiller and Bowe for him in a PPR dynasty. Just not thrilled with the offer. I think it's too early to give up on Trent, especially in that potent offense.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Was offered Spiller and Bowe for him in a PPR dynasty. Just not thrilled with the offer. I think it's too early to give up on Trent, especially in that potent offense.

It's not giving up on him if you're getting Spiller and Bowe in return. That wouldn't have been an unreasonable offer even before Richardson's struggles in Indy.

 

[amnesiac]

Was offered Spiller and Bowe for him in a PPR dynasty. Just not thrilled with the offer. I think it's too early to give up on Trent, especially in that potent offense.

if i got that offer i'd hit the accept button thirty times.

 

[thecardiackid]

on a side note, this #1 pick we got for TR is looking lower and lower as IND is winning games vs. SF & SEA (honestly thought they'd lose both of those games). they're likely going to win their division and at least a playoff game or 2. i'm guessing pick 26-28ish.

 

[bagger]

Was offered Spiller and Bowe for him in a PPR dynasty. Just not thrilled with the offer. I think it's too early to give up on Trent, especially in that potent offense.

if i got that offer i'd hit the accept button thirty times.

lol this.

 

[fatness]

Bradshaw out with season-ending neck surgery.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Was offered Spiller and Bowe for him in a PPR dynasty. Just not thrilled with the offer. I think it's too early to give up on Trent, especially in that potent offense.

if i got that offer i'd hit the accept button thirty times.

Seriously.

 

[duaneok66]

Tomlinson rushed for 1236 yards and 10TD his rookie season, not sure why you're bringing him into the conversation.

3.6 YPC that year. Same YPC that Richardson gets taken to task for

Bad logic, and this card is always played.

Anytime some star underperforms, people point to LT's rookie year.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Tomlinson rushed for 1236 yards and 10TD his rookie season, not sure why you're bringing him into the conversation.

3.6 YPC that year. Same YPC that Richardson gets taken to task for

Bad logic, and this card is always played.

Anytime some star underperforms, people point to LT's rookie year.

Also most people don't realize how truly awful that O line was that season. That he got 3.6 ypc is more a testament to his ability than anything. TRich was running behind one of the best lines in the league. He's not even in the same class of runners as LT who was a much more elusive back vs. the power runner that TRich is.

 

[Bobby Guano]

At this point who would we say Trent is more similar too....

Leroy Hoard or Jerome Bettis?

I don't have time to look it up but If my memory is correct wasn't Bettis pretty disappointing his first couple years with the Rams? I think he may have shown more flashes early than Trent has thus far though.

Really, I just wanted to bring up Leroy Hoard, was talking about Super Tecmo Bowl at work the other day and his name came up.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

At this point who would we say Trent is more similar too....

Leroy Hoard or Jerome Bettis?

I don't have time to look it up but If my memory is correct wasn't Bettis pretty disappointing his first couple years with the Rams? I think he may have shown more flashes early than Trent has thus far though.

Really, I just wanted to bring up Leroy Hoard, was talking about Super Tecmo Bowl at work the other day and his name came up.

Bettis had 1429yds at 4.9ypc his rookie year.

 

[Bobby Guano]

At this point who would we say Trent is more similar too....

Leroy Hoard or Jerome Bettis?

I don't have time to look it up but If my memory is correct wasn't Bettis pretty disappointing his first couple years with the Rams? I think he may have shown more flashes early than Trent has thus far though.

Really, I just wanted to bring up Leroy Hoard, was talking about Super Tecmo Bowl at work the other day and his name came up.

Bettis had 1429yds at 4.9ypc his rookie year.

So more Leroy Hoard then...thanks.

 

[Ace08]

Gonna repeat what I said the day of the trade....very rarely is an NFL running back worth a first round pick. Zero shelf life and it's the easiest position to find impact players at regardless of round they are drafted. In this case the RB already has one year of service gone and he's not an elite talent.

Anyone who doesn't think the Browns didn't do well in this trade is outside their mind. I'm in no way shape, or form a Browns fan either.

 

[FallenHero32]

Tomlinson rushed for 1236 yards and 10TD his rookie season, not sure why you're bringing him into the conversation.

3.6 YPC that year. Same YPC that Richardson gets taken to task for

Bad logic, and this card is always played.

Anytime some star underperforms, people point to LT's rookie year.

Also most people don't realize how truly awful that O line was that season. That he got 3.6 ypc is more a testament to his ability than anything. TRich was running behind one of the best lines in the league. He's not even in the same class of runners as LT who was a much more elusive back vs. the power runner that TRich is.

People keep bringing up the O-Line in Cleveland...Looking at Profootballfocus, I'm not seeing it in terms of run blocking. Their run blocking rating for each linemen is actually pretty bad. Pass blocking sure, they were steller, but other then that, average to HORRIBLE to say the least, with the exception being Alex Mack.

 

[just_want_2_win]

Football Outsiders has the Colts' O-Line ranked as the 3rd best run-blocking unit in the league while CLE's is only 22nd: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

This blurb in FFToday's Going Up/Going Down feature had this to say about TRich:

Wow. Maybe the Browns were right. Here are Richardson’s yards per carry in each of his first five games—3.6, 3.2, 2.7, 3.0, and 3.1. The run defenses he has faced are ranked 23rd, 12th, 28th, 31st and 19th. Maybe the legendary Jim Brown was right and he is just average.

http://www.fftoday.com/blog/2013/10/09/moving-up-moving-down-week-5-2013/

Note that TRich hasn't exactly been facing the best run-stopping units in the league.

OTOH, there are folks saying that he looks like he's thinking too much right now and that the Colts had him try to work with a large part of the playbook:

This write up from last week at Rotoworld exemplifies this line of thought, which does have merit:

There were many reasons why. Although not sub-par, the Colts’ run blocking was far from stellar. OC Pep Hamilton was also getting too cute. He seemingly wanted to get Richardson up to speed on every play in the playbook, while too many of his zone-blocking calls took too long to develop. At one point, CBS play-by-play man Kevin Harlan quipped that Richardson was “going to see every play in this playbook, isn’t he.”

But much like T-Rich’s talent, neither the Colts’ blocking nor play-calling were ultimately the issue: It was T-Rich’s head. In a nutshell, he was taking too many “thinking steps.” Too often, T-Rich took the rock and then stood around with it, letting the defense come to him instead of taking the fight to the defense. On one hand, it’s admirable that a runner so violent at heart could be so patient. But while T-Rich was thinking about where to take the rock, the defense was penetrating. More often than not, it resulted in 2-3 yard runs for a player who very much has the ability to average five yards per carry. T-Rich is simply giving the defense too much time to react. He needs to turn off his brain and just go. Occasionally, it’s going to result in some “brick wall” runs. But T-Rich is fast enough to hit the hole before the defense knows what hit them, and strong enough to drag them once he does.

No matter what Richardson does Sunday, it’s going to be tough sledding against the Seahawks’ run defense. Pete Carroll’s ground unit is tougher than the numbers (4.1 yards per carry, 109 yards per game) suggest. Richardson isn’t going to be a new runner overnight.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/44618/57/week-5-rankings

I think this week could be telling, but maybe we'll have to wait at least one more week. ESPN has this to say about TRich's opponent this week:

Chargers defense allowing a league-worst 6.5 yards per play, which includes 4.9 yards per carry (fifth-worst in the NFL).

In addition, he'll have had a few games and several weeks of practices under his belt in addition to a malleable opponent. If he doesn't show improvement this week, then it's possible he just won't this season.

However, the strength of schedule shown below shows SD as a bad match up and clicking on SD's opponents shows that they have faced some good run units and have kept them under control.

If TRich does show something, though, vs. SD, he has a nice stretch of upcoming games and if he doesn't, the best opportunities come right after SD -- but will owners keep waiting?:

A positive difference indicates Running Backs score more against the opponent than the NFL average, and a negative difference indicates Running Backs score less against the opponent than the NFL average.Significant differences are +/-1 standard deviation from the average and highlighted green or red. @SD -25.8% (marked in red)DEN 13.1% Bye @HOU 9.5% STL 35.8% (green value) @TEN 2.0%http://www.fftoday.com/stats/fantasystats.php?o=3&PosID=20&Data=Last5&Show1=6&Show2=17&LeagueID=1

 

[Da Guru]

Gonna repeat what I said the day of the trade....very rarely is an NFL running back worth a first round pick. Zero shelf life and it's the easiest position to find impact players at regardless of round they are drafted. In this case the RB already has one year of service gone and he's not an elite talent.

Anyone who doesn't think the Browns didn't do well in this trade is outside their mind. I'm in no way shape, or form a Browns fan either.

Having watched them both all year I think the Lions undrafted FA RB J. Bell is a better RB than T. Richardson. I think the Browns are pretty happy getting any kind of #1 for Richardson.

 

[Biabreakable]

Beanie Wells was nowhere near the prospect Trent was and is a terrible comparison in pretty much every way.

The list of RBs that had excuses to looks like a bust 21 games into their career and actually ended up being busts is a LOT longer than the list of RBs that had excuses to look like a bust 21 games into their career and ended up being great fantasy players. A LOT longer.

How many of those guys were top 10 picks? Here is every RB drafted in the top 10 in the past 15 years:

2010 - 1.09 CJ Spiller

2008 - 1.04 Darren McFadden

2007 - 1.07 Adrian Peterson

2006 - 1.02 Reggie Bush

2005 - 1.02 Ronnie Brown

2005 - 1.04 Cedric Benson

2005 - 1.05 Cadillac Williams

2001 - 1.05 LaDainian Tomlinson

2000 - 1.05 Jamal Lewis

2000 - 1.07 Thomas Jones

1999 - 1.04 Edgerrin James

1999 - 1.05 Ricky Williams

1998 - 1.05 Curtis Enis

1998 - 1.09 Fred Taylor

The vast majority of those guys were very good or at least had individual seasons that were very good. In fact, Curtis Enis is the only player out of this 14 man list who never rushed for 1000+ yards at least once in his career. Even a lot of the relative flops like McFadden, Ronnie, and Cadillac had at least one strong season. And well over half these guys had very strong, borderline HOF type of careers.

It's not by accident that a RB gets picked in the top 10. To go that high, you have to be special. Richardson wasn't just a top 10 pick, but a STRONG top 5 pick in a STRONG draft. I won't bother going back and copying/pasting all of the glowing scouting reports, but there wasn't an evaluator on the planet who didn't think this guy was a premier talent. If you're willing to toss that all aside because he's been relatively poor in the first 20 games of his NFL career (virtually all of which have been played in less than optimal circumstances -- injuries, bad running teams, new playbook), so be it. I think that's overly reactive given his pedigree. At this point I just don't find the evidence so damning that you should be jumping ship immediately. A player with Trent's background deserves a longer leash because of all the objective data points in his favor. As guys like Lynch, Reggie, Spiller, and Crabtree have shown in recent seasons, there is typically a good reason why a draft prospect comes into the league with a top reputation. As the saying in soccer goes, form is temporary, but class is permanent. With that level of talent, it is only a matter of time.

As far as T-Rich in the NFL, I definitely would've liked to have seen more good games and more big plays by now. On the other hand, the idea that he's shown nothing has no basis in reality. He looked quite good last year before his injury and really flashed his potential in the Cincinnati game early in the season. I'm not seeing the sluggish plodder here. Could he be a bust when all is said and done? I guess it's possible, but I still find it unlikely that what we're seeing right now is the real Trent Richardson. In order to believe that, I'd essentially have to believe that he's the worst RB in the NFL because that's what it would take to be a lifetime 3.1 YPC rusher. He can't possibly be that bad, which leads me to think that what we're seeing now is probably a combination of many factors.

15 of his 20 games were for the Browns. I don't need to explain why that was a bad situation. He was also a rookie. Go look and see how Ricky Williams and LaDainian Tomlinson did as rookies on bad teams. Now Richardson is on the Colts. They have a much better QB than the Browns and a much better offense, but...they're not a good running team at the moment (one of the worst in the NFL last year with mostly the same team) and he's still being used in a limited capacity (much of his value IRL and in FF comes from his ability as a receiver, but we've hardly seen that facet of his game at all since he came to the Colts. Strictly a battering ram for the time being.) Oh, and if that wasn't enough, two of his first three games for the Colts came against the 49ers and the Seahawks. Not exactly dream opponents.

At this point I'm just rehashing the same arguments. Like every other player for whom the jury is still out, you're going to see different opinions based on where people stood in the first place and based on how fickle they are by nature. If you believed that Richardson was justifiably an elite RB prospect, it's likely that you can write off his struggles as the result of unfavorable circumstances. If you're more of a nervous owner and/or you weren't totally sold on Richardson in the first place, it's likely that you're going to look at the 20 games of 3 yards and a cloud of dust as definitive proof that he's a fraud.

These are the puzzles that FF owners have to solve. You can say William Green and David Terrell. I can say Ricky Williams and Michael Crabtree. You can say the odds are against a player becoming an elite NFL back if he's been so poor in his first 1+ season. I can say the odds are for any RB picked in the top 10 eventually becoming an impact player. We can go around in circles all week. I think I've made it clear where I stand. There might come a time to pull the plug, but I'm still holding.

Taking the "drafted in the top-10" list back another 10 years you get:

Lawrence Phillips - bust due to career ending injury

Tim Biakabutuka - career derailed by injury he never fully recovered from

Ki-Jana Carter - bust due to career ending injury

Marshall Faulk - HOF

Garrison Hearst - Early injuries, but did well later career

Jerome Bettis - Good career. Not really a great FF RB except a few seasons.

Tommy Vardell - More of a FB. Questionable pick at the time who didn't pan out but was ok.

Blair Thomas - series of nagging injuries

Barry Sanders - HOF

Tim Worley - bust due to injuries, fumbling issues and drug problems that led to suspension.

Sammie Smith - Drug problems derailed short lived career.

Alonzo Highsmith - Was in a 4RBBC with some other quality RB on a run and shoot offense.

Brent Fullwood - A FB who had injury issues. Made one pro bowl in 89 for having over 800yds rushing as a FB.

Not exactly bulletproof.

So if Richardson has a career ending injury or gets moved to FB maybe there would be a reason to compare him to these busts. But he has not. As you can see the NFL was very different during this time frame than it is today.

Most of these players who did not work out also never(or one time barely) earned workloads much over 200 touches in their careers.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'd say comparing him to some of those guys is just as valid at this point as the legions of advocates busting out the Tomlinson poor rookie YPC comparison. And you're right, some of those guys busted because minor injuries sapped their effectiveness -- not sure that's a point in "Ribs" Richardson's favor though.

Point being, even at the very top of the draft teams make mistakes all the time. I personally don't put a ton of weight in a guy's draft position anyway after we have a good chunk of NFL work on which to judge. And if you have watched this guy play and you saw "wow elite" then I want some of what you've been smoking. Seriously.

 

[Treesarepeopletoo]

Trent Richardson is a bum. The problem with the LT comparison is that LT went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 4.5 ypc the next. Richardson has went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 3.1 so far in his second year (82 attempts so far). He's just awful and like I said when the trade went down: Cleveland made out like a bandit. They erred taking him 3rd overall, realized their mistake and made amends.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Trent Richardson is a bum. The problem with the LT comparison is that LT went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 4.5 ypc the next. Richardson has went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 3.1 so far in his second year (82 attempts so far). He's just awful and like I said when the trade went down: Cleveland made out like a bandit. They erred taking him 3rd overall, realized their mistake and made amends.

they didn't draft him, dude.

they realized somebody else's mistake.

so, I got suckered on the richardson hype, and drafted him this year for the 500 touches he was supposed to be getting, and because I thought later round rb was death this year.

just watched all his runs from the last weekend on game rewind, and it's gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year........

I should've waited on death.

 

[jurb26]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I just got through watching every run from sunday -- did you watch the game?

he had 1 good 10 yd run in traffic where he broke some poor form off balance tackles and that's it.

his long run of the day was through a big hole they opened up for him --- with nothing but open field ahead of him he basically gave himself up when earl thomas got near him.

 

[jurb26]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I just got through watching every run from sunday -- did you watch the game?

he had 1 good 10 yd run in traffic where he broke some poor form off balance tackles and that's it.

his long run of the day was through a big hole they opened up for him --- with nothing but open field ahead of him he basically gave himself up when earl thomas got near him.

I saw bits and pieces thanks to my POS directv dish going OU all day. I thought he looked tough to bring down and was able to move the pile forward but never generate much. His long run left me wanting more for sure. I'm stuck in between right now. I see glimmers of a good back, but it's not coming together for some reason.

 

[Todem]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

 

[cstu]

Trent Richardson is a bum. The problem with the LT comparison is that LT went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 4.5 ypc the next. Richardson has went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 3.1 so far in his second year (82 attempts so far). He's just awful and like I said when the trade went down: Cleveland made out like a bandit. They erred taking him 3rd overall, realized their mistake and made amends.

He's not a bum. A bum doesn't make a play like this.

He hasn't played to his ability very often yet but the talent is there. It's not ADP-talent like many thought but he's also not a bum.

 

[cstu]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I just got through watching every run from sunday -- did you watch the game?

he had 1 good 10 yd run in traffic where he broke some poor form off balance tackles and that's it.

his long run of the day was through a big hole they opened up for him --- with nothing but open field ahead of him he basically gave himself up when earl thomas got near him.

Seems like a lot of players make poor form tackles when they play against him.

 

[RBM]

He's 230 lbs....I want to see him explode when he takes the handoff. You kind of get a glimpse of that in short yardage but most of the time he's tip toeing and dancing which is extremely annoying. The moves and shiftiness can come at the 2nd level, but he never gets there because he's fruiting around when he takes the handoff. I really think its as simple as that. Run like a 230 lb bull with speed, not a 195 lb #####.

 

[Treesarepeopletoo]

Trent Richardson is a bum. The problem with the LT comparison is that LT went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 4.5 ypc the next. Richardson has went from 3.6 ypc his rookie year to 3.1 so far in his second year (82 attempts so far). He's just awful and like I said when the trade went down: Cleveland made out like a bandit. They erred taking him 3rd overall, realized their mistake and made amends.

they didn't draft him, dude.

they realized somebody else's mistake.

so, I got suckered on the richardson hype, and drafted him this year for the 500 touches he was supposed to be getting, and because I thought later round rb was death this year.

just watched all his runs from the last weekend on game rewind, and it's gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year........

I should've waited on death.

Regardless of ownership, the Browns drafted him and realized he was a bust. Do you think new ownership would have traded him if he was living up to potential? Idiot.

 

[ryno1980]

Tomlinson rushed for 1236 yards and 10TD his rookie season, not sure why you're bringing him into the conversation.

3.6 YPC that year. Same YPC that Richardson gets taken to task for

Bad logic, and this card is always played.

Anytime some star underperforms, people point to LT's rookie year.

Also most people don't realize how truly awful that O line was that season. That he got 3.6 ypc is more a testament to his ability than anything. TRich was running behind one of the best lines in the league. He's not even in the same class of runners as LT who was a much more elusive back vs. the power runner that TRich is.

People keep bringing up the O-Line in Cleveland...Looking at Profootballfocus, I'm not seeing it in terms of run blocking. Their run blocking rating for each linemen is actually pretty bad. Pass blocking sure, they were steller, but other then that, average to HORRIBLE to say the least, with the exception being Alex Mack.

That's why it made perfect sense for them to trade Richardson and focus on the passing game

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

they actually split him out wide on one of the first couple plays.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I just got through watching every run from sunday -- did you watch the game?

he had 1 good 10 yd run in traffic where he broke some poor form off balance tackles and that's it.

his long run of the day was through a big hole they opened up for him --- with nothing but open field ahead of him he basically gave himself up when earl thomas got near him.

Seems like a lot of players make poor form tackles when they play against him.

yeah, that must be how he maintains that stellar 3 ypc

not every other run that game they didn't.

view raw image lower left

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He's 230 lbs....I want to see him explode when he takes the handoff. You kind of get a glimpse of that in short yardage but most of the time he's tip toeing and dancing which is extremely annoying. The moves and shiftiness can come at the 2nd level, but he never gets there because he's fruiting around when he takes the handoff. I really think its as simple as that. Run like a 230 lb bull with speed, not a 195 lb #####.

yeah, here's the shifty bull trucking earl thomas in the open field

mess with this bull

and you get the horns

wait.....wut?

 

[pizzatyme]

I see a lot of bitter Richardson owners in here. It's kind of pathetic. Get help.

 

[thehornet]

I see a lot of bitter Richardson owners in here. It's kind of pathetic. Get help.

it's definitely not worse than you hanging around commenting on it. that's even more pathetic. get a life.

 

[Biabreakable]

I'd say comparing him to some of those guys is just as valid at this point as the legions of advocates busting out the Tomlinson poor rookie YPC comparison. And you're right, some of those guys busted because minor injuries sapped their effectiveness -- not sure that's a point in "Ribs" Richardson's favor though.

Point being, even at the very top of the draft teams make mistakes all the time. I personally don't put a ton of weight in a guy's draft position anyway after we have a good chunk of NFL work on which to judge. And if you have watched this guy play and you saw "wow elite" then I want some of what you've been smoking. Seriously.

You should. It might open your mind to many things. I have seen RIchardson do some things most other RB cannot do. For example in the clip vs the Bengals. I think he has tons of talent.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

The talk about low YPC and comparisons to other RBs (e.g., Tomlinson, Bush, etc) with bad YPC in their careers is not really the point IMO. Trent just doesn't pass the eyeball test. Every top end RB shows the ability to make the big play at some point but he just lacks that second level skill set. The 1-2 yard carries aren't offset with the occasional homerun. He is almost quite literally getting 3 yards per carry. Even when he breaks into space, he's not punishing anyone or making that next move.

He's like Jerome Bettis at 34 years old except he's only 22. Maybe he flips some kind of switch this year but I just don't see it happening.

 

[pizzatyme]

I see a lot of bitter Richardson owners in here. It's kind of pathetic. Get help.

it's definitely not worse than you hanging around commenting on it. that's even more pathetic. get a life.

Burn!

 

[shader]

Well I am the biggest Trent fan on planet earth and I just traded him. Probably means he's due to explode, but at least I still got pretty good value for him.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A guy getting 18-20 carries a game on a winning defensive minded team (ie TD opportunities) is always worth having and trading for.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Well I am the biggest Trent fan on planet earth and I just traded him. Probably means he's due to explode, but at least I still got pretty good value for him.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you get for him?

 

[just_want_2_win]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

Colts are 6th overall in rushing attempts and 22nd in pass attempts...only so many passes to spread around.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

I don't know that it's accurate to call him a tremendous weapon in the passing game. Sure, the buffoons in charge in Cleveland last year fed him 50 receptions. But this year, the new Cleveland staff and the Colts have both used guys like silent G and Donald Brown ahead of him in those situations. We'll see moving forward, but my guess is that this is just another facet of his game that has been wildly overrated. Why throw the ball to a plodder who can't make people miss to generate big plays on the edge?

 

[cstu]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

I don't know that it's accurate to call him a tremendous weapon in the passing game. Sure, the buffoons in charge in Cleveland last year fed him 50 receptions. But this year, the new Cleveland staff and the Colts have both used guys like silent G and Donald Brown ahead of him in those situations. We'll see moving forward, but my guess is that this is just another facet of his game that has been wildly overrated. Why throw the ball to a plodder who can't make people miss to generate big plays on the edge?

His YPR was higher than McCoy's in 2011 and 2012.

 

[BigTex]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

Agree 100% will be interesting to see how he will be doing by the end of the year.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

I don't know that it's accurate to call him a tremendous weapon in the passing game. Sure, the buffoons in charge in Cleveland last year fed him 50 receptions. But this year, the new Cleveland staff and the Colts have both used guys like silent G and Donald Brown ahead of him in those situations. We'll see moving forward, but my guess is that this is just another facet of his game that has been wildly overrated. Why throw the ball to a plodder who can't make people miss to generate big plays on the edge?

His YPR was higher than McCoy's in 2011 and 2012.

And? Do you really think that Trent Richardson is a more dangerous player in space than LeSean McCoy? And if so, rather remarkable that 2/3 of his professional coaches have seemed to go away from using him as a receiver, isn't it?

Surprising that so many usually smart people just keep doubling down with new excuses for this guy. To be expected from some, I suppose, but the chances of a miracle turnaround are getting slimmer with each passing week. We passed "small" when he crapped the bed against Jacksonville -- we're in the "microscopic" range now.

 

[EBF]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

I don't know that it's accurate to call him a tremendous weapon in the passing game. Sure, the buffoons in charge in Cleveland last year fed him 50 receptions. But this year, the new Cleveland staff and the Colts have both used guys like silent G and Donald Brown ahead of him in those situations. We'll see moving forward, but my guess is that this is just another facet of his game that has been wildly overrated. Why throw the ball to a plodder who can't make people miss to generate big plays on the edge?

His YPR was higher than McCoy's in 2011 and 2012.

And? Do you really think that Trent Richardson is a more dangerous player in space than LeSean McCoy? And if so, rather remarkable that 2/3 of his professional coaches have seemed to go away from using him as a receiver, isn't it?

Surprising that so many usually smart people just keep doubling down with new excuses for this guy. To be expected from some, I suppose, but the chances of a miracle turnaround are getting slimmer with each passing week. We passed "small" when he crapped the bed against Jacksonville -- we're in the "microscopic" range now.

LOL. Man, your schtick is almost bordering on trolling now.

 

[Routilla]

Can we merge this thread with the David Wilson thread to clean up the board a bit?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

I still think people are rushing to judgement here. Richardson isn't looking explosive though and that's a bit concerning. He's a beast that breaks a lot of tackles but just doesn't generate a lot of yards while doing it.

I am willing to stay patient......at this point. I gotta believe he is going to get it going with The Colts. And get more involved in the passing game too. He is a tremendous pass catching back.

That's the thing, he could be so good in the pass game, where is that?

I don't know that it's accurate to call him a tremendous weapon in the passing game. Sure, the buffoons in charge in Cleveland last year fed him 50 receptions. But this year, the new Cleveland staff and the Colts have both used guys like silent G and Donald Brown ahead of him in those situations. We'll see moving forward, but my guess is that this is just another facet of his game that has been wildly overrated. Why throw the ball to a plodder who can't make people miss to generate big plays on the edge?

His YPR was higher than McCoy's in 2011 and 2012.

And? Do you really think that Trent Richardson is a more dangerous player in space than LeSean McCoy? And if so, rather remarkable that 2/3 of his professional coaches have seemed to go away from using him as a receiver, isn't it?Surprising that so many usually smart people just keep doubling down with new excuses for this guy. To be expected from some, I suppose, but the chances of a miracle turnaround are getting slimmer with each passing week. We passed "small" when he crapped the bed against Jacksonville -- we're in the "microscopic" range now.

LOL. Man, your schtick is almost bordering on trolling now.

It's not 100% schtick -- the Colts have been using Donald Brown ahead of Trent in obvious passing situations. Chud / Norv were using Chris Ogbannaya on 3rd downs, and did send Trent packing after seeing him close up. And oh yeah, I actually have watched 2/3 of his games in a Colts uniform -- all kidding aside he looked flat out terrible.