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The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)

Eddie Lacy, widely considered a top5 RB and a top6 (1st round pick) who after his performance thus far is *still* considered to have RB2 value) has scored 61.67 points. On the other hand, Trent Richardson, widely considered dung and drafted as the 27th best RB, widely considered to have RB3 value at best (ADP of #66) has scored 61.90 points. McCoy, the #1-2 pick has 67.13 points.

Trent is ranked 20th best RB, outperforming his draft position and is outplaying his RB3 perception to put up RB2 numbers in a 12 team league PPR.

Who was wrong about what now? I know Richardson owners of 2014 were not wrong to draft him at his ADP or later, up to this point at least. :grad: He does suck, but shouldn't you guys be in the Lacy/McCoy threads instead of beating this horse? :deadhorse:

 
mnmplayer said:
Eddie Lacy, widely considered a top5 RB and a top6 (1st round pick) who after his performance thus far is *still* considered to have RB2 value) has scored 61.67 points. On the other hand, Trent Richardson, widely considered dung and drafted as the 27th best RB, widely considered to have RB3 value at best (ADP of #66) has scored 61.90 points. McCoy, the #1-2 pick has 67.13 points.

Trent is ranked 20th best RB, outperforming his draft position and is outplaying his RB3 perception to put up RB2 numbers in a 12 team league PPR.

Who was wrong about what now? I know Richardson owners of 2014 were not wrong to draft him at his ADP or later, up to this point at least. :grad: He does suck, but shouldn't you guys be in the Lacy/McCoy threads instead of beating this horse? :deadhorse:
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If you read most posts, they are by dynasty owners. Clearly from a redraft perspective he's not a bust anymore. In dynasty leagues he's a historic bust.

 
mnmplayer said:
Eddie Lacy, widely considered a top5 RB and a top6 (1st round pick) who after his performance thus far is *still* considered to have RB2 value) has scored 61.67 points. On the other hand, Trent Richardson, widely considered dung and drafted as the 27th best RB, widely considered to have RB3 value at best (ADP of #66) has scored 61.90 points. McCoy, the #1-2 pick has 67.13 points.

Trent is ranked 20th best RB, outperforming his draft position and is outplaying his RB3 perception to put up RB2 numbers in a 12 team league PPR.

Who was wrong about what now? I know Richardson owners of 2014 were not wrong to draft him at his ADP or later, up to this point at least. :grad: He does suck, but shouldn't you guys be in the Lacy/McCoy threads instead of beating this horse? :deadhorse:
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Lacy has a career 4.1 YPC and McCoy is, well, McCoy.

I don't play redraft and I don't care that Richardson is compiling 11 ppg. If he's outperforming where you drafted him, that's great, but he's not a good RB.

 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson left Sunday's Week 7 game against the Bengals with a hamstring injury and will not return.

Richardson tweaked his hammy near the end of the third quarter and the Colts quickly went up 24-0 after that. It's unclear if he has a serious pull or the trainers are just playing it safe with the game in hand. Before the injury, Richardson actually looked really spry, repeatedly using the R1 button to juke away from defenders and showing good skills in the pass game. He finished with 14 carries for 77 yards and four catches for 41 yards. It's the first time T-Rich went over 100 total yards all season. Ahmad Bradshaw and Dan "Boom" Herron are finishing the game out.

Oct 19 - 3:51 PM
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hey did look good today. however, I have to remind myself that the top three linebackers did not play most of the game for Cincinnati.

 
Not to hijack, but who is the Clots 3rd RB? Herron? If TRich has bad hammy and Bradshaw is already overdue for a foot injury, might be more playing time for somebody fairly soon in a good offense...

 
Looked like a glute the way he cupped it. Regardless, Bradshaw still looks better. I watched the whole game and Richardson got nothing that his line didn't carve out for him. Unimpressed still.

Bradshaw owner here, but I still think they move the ball better with him in. There's a reason they also yank Richardson out for goal line and third down work.

 
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rockaction said:
Looked like a glute the way he cupped it. Regardless, Bradshaw still looks better. I watched the whole game and Richardson got nothing that his line didn't carve out for him. Unimpressed still.

Bradshaw owner here, but I still think they move the ball better with him in. There's a reason they also yank Richardson out for goal line and third down work.
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Inside the 5 yard line, Richardson has 7 carries to Bradshaw's 3. They bring Bradshaw in to catch passes, not run.

 
Over the last 2 weeks, this is the first time I've seen Richardson display any sort of patience as an NFL running back, and the results have been pretty good. He's going to get touches and he's on an excellent offense. Bradshaw certainly seems like a better player, but there's real value here.

 
That was the best he looked and he still looked slow. I was dead wrong, hes not good; he has no moves in the open field besides lowering his head and attempt to run you over. The times he got though the line of scrimmage he can't make anybody miss and gets taken down. There was 1 or 2 times I saw in the game yesterday when he looked to get a huge gain and a CB would stand him up. He has no on-the-field speed, no moves and no power, now add to that hes hurt.

He reminds me of a smaller Brandon Jacobs, but Jacobs had that 260 frame.

 
KellysHeroes said:
That was the best he looked and he still looked slow. I was dead wrong, hes not good; he has no moves in the open field besides lowering his head and attempt to run you over. The times he got though the line of scrimmage he can't make anybody miss and gets taken down. There was 1 or 2 times I saw in the game yesterday when he looked to get a huge gain and a CB would stand him up. He has no on-the-field speed, no moves and no power, now add to that hes hurt.

He reminds me of a smaller Brandon Jacobs, but Jacobs had that 260 frame.
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Richardson juked a guy out of his shoes so bad there was a collective gasp by the crowd you could hear over the TV in yesterday's game. He actually did this more than once. Yeah he's not fast and not extremely explosive so he won't break many big plays and will get caught where other backs probably won't. He is capable of making open field moves though. He just proved that.

 
whiskey7 said:
Not to hijack, but who is the Clots 3rd RB? Herron? If TRich has bad hammy and Bradshaw is already overdue for a foot injury, might be more playing time for somebody fairly soon in a good offense...
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How many games has Bradshaw missed in his career with this foot injury?

 
jurb26 said:
KellysHeroes said:
That was the best he looked and he still looked slow. I was dead wrong, hes not good; he has no moves in the open field besides lowering his head and attempt to run you over. The times he got though the line of scrimmage he can't make anybody miss and gets taken down. There was 1 or 2 times I saw in the game yesterday when he looked to get a huge gain and a CB would stand him up. He has no on-the-field speed, no moves and no power, now add to that hes hurt.

He reminds me of a smaller Brandon Jacobs, but Jacobs had that 260 frame.
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Richardson juked a guy out of his shoes so bad there was a collective gasp by the crowd you could hear over the TV in yesterday's game. He actually did this more than once.Yeah he's not fast and not extremely explosive so he won't break many big plays and will get caught where other backs probably won't. He is capable of making open field moves though. He just proved that.
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I must of missed that but thanks.

 
Jrodicus said:
rockaction said:
Looked like a glute the way he cupped it. Regardless, Bradshaw still looks better. I watched the whole game and Richardson got nothing that his line didn't carve out for him. Unimpressed still.

Bradshaw owner here, but I still think they move the ball better with him in. There's a reason they also yank Richardson out for goal line and third down work.
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Inside the 5 yard line, Richardson has 7 carries to Bradshaw's 3. They bring Bradshaw in to catch passes, not run.
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I didn't say that they did. He's constantly in on third down for pass protection and is TD-dependent precisely because of those passes that you mention. I still think they move the ball better with him in the game.

That said, and all football terseness aside, did you really drum up an Austin Collie and the Infinite Sadness avatar?? That's great, man. :lol:

 
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I'm down on Richardson, but let's give the guy some credit. He's looked better. No need to keep the haterade flowing when it's obvious he's doing better. Mind you he's still the 3rd best back on the team IMO.

 
Trent Richardson said the hamstring injury he sustained Sunday is a "little tweak, nothing big."
Richardson sustained the strain in the fourth quarter and didn't return as the Colts had the game in hand. "I was able to still run and move. Coach told me there's no reason to back out there," he said.
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Kool-Aid Larry said:
Trent Richardson said the hamstring injury he sustained Sunday is a "little tweak, nothing big."

Richardson sustained the strain in the fourth quarter and didn't return as the Colts had the game in hand. "I was able to still run and move. Coach told me there's no reason to back out there," he said.
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Thank god! We need him playing to spell bradshaw

 
yeah, I kind of forgot about that guy ---- but I was actually an ingram believer a few years ago, and I don't think I'd lump him in with richardson.

he seems more a victim of circumstance, to me, although that circumstance probably won't change this season.

edit: now that I think about it, that's pretty much a polar opposite --- circumstance is actually the victim of richardson

 
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Both are Bama backs with truck size holes in college that couldn't cope with tighter seams in the NFL. Both could pull a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones type revival of career. Both have value, although less than the hyped amount coming out of college. I can see the comparisons as legit.

 
Bucky86 said:
Anyone looking to trade him away based on recent good games?
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I've been buying over the last few weeks, but with the injury you'll probably find that he won't bring anything worthwhile. I was able to get him straight up for Carlos Hyde in two redraft leagues.

 
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Anyone looking to trade him away based on recent good games?
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Yes. FWIW I traded him and Harvin for B. Marshall in a redraft. I didn't trust him to continue producing the way he was.

 
Assuming the hammy is fine I'm gonna put in a bid for him today and drop Gore in a league with tight roster limits. Say what you want about Richardson but he's been very consistent in PPR so far this season. Plus, Bradshaw gets hurt every year and if that happens again Richardson's value will go up. I'm not crazy about the guy but I'm looking to boost my RB3 spot and I like him more than Gore going forward.

 
mnmplayer said:
Both are Bama backs with truck size holes in college that couldn't cope with tighter seams in the NFL. Both could pull a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones type revival of career. Both have value, although less than the hyped amount coming out of college. I can see the comparisons as legit.
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To be fair, Ingram hasn't necessarily failed as a runner - he just hasn't seen the volume that a feature back needs, being in a pass happy offense that prefers a RBBC.

 
After all the Trent hate has filled this thread for months, I'd like to point out that Trent is currently the 13th rated RB in FFPC leagues. That is ALMOST RB1 material.

In fairness, he has not had his bye week yet, so let's call him an RB2. I realize this could very well inflame the haters. lol

 
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mnmplayer said:
Both are Bama backs with truck size holes in college that couldn't cope with tighter seams in the NFL. Both could pull a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones type revival of career. Both have value, although less than the hyped amount coming out of college. I can see the comparisons as legit.
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To be fair, Ingram hasn't necessarily failed as a runner - he just hasn't seen the volume that a feature back needs, being in a pass happy offense that prefers a RBBC.
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I agree Ingram hasn't failed as a "runner", but he has as a fantasy RB. Because he is there it is seen as what you describe, a pass happy RBBC wasteland for fantasy, but I contend if he was who they thought he was, this would not be the case. I could still see your argument when Sproles was there as his elite skill is greater than even McCoy at some things, but Pierre Thomas, Cadet? If Ingram was a complete back, Ingram would be getting 50-70% of Thomas's production. Now Thomas is injured and we hear Cadet is the new guy, not Ingram. So for whatever reason Ingram could not take over this Cadet/Thomas/Sproles role even as the personnel competition for these highly productive snaps has degraded in skill over time. Assuming he has been practicing these skills for 3+ years at the NFL level he still cannot take on this role so can we assume he is less than average at this skillset? The coaches in NO see him everyday for 3+ years in practice and DO NOT want him in those situations. Lacy is also showing signs of being less than average, or at least less than the JAG Starks in plenty of situations as well.

True, I never pointed to Ingram's lack of receiving ability per se, but the point was how legit is it to question these so called "Elite" Bama backs who for whatever reason are missing key ingredients for the next level as a complete fantasy RB. These missing key ingredients are not exposed at the college level and covered up by their elite stats, highlight reels, etc.

Back on topic, TRich has actually shown he can catch a check down for some yards after catch, and be productive, so that is not his problem at least. His has been more as a runner. LOL

 
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