The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (2 Viewers)

[tri-man 47]

Google Chrome extension replaces 'Trump' with 'Steve Bannon'

Alternative leadership? 

 

[rodg12]

Interesting Trump / Obama comparison in WaPo

Discuss. (if you can. Call me names if you cant  )

This is Trump's MO.  Complain LOUDLY about someone else doing exactly what he intends to do.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Which has gone from objective to subjective.

Thereyago.

And what is subjective? It's emotional. What is "under" reporting? Not talked about every day? Have the press not talked about Paris Bataclan every week? Was that not a horror?

Trump will repeat and repeat this absurdity, but what happens when he or his staff or supporters are confronted about it? It's repeated some more, like a multiplier effect.

Just look at this little fishbowl of a thread: Trump supporters 1. look at 'the outrage', 2. look who is 'outraged', 'ie 'the left' and 'the media', (we hear these first two constantly), 3. consider the magnitude of what is discussed - terrorism especially - which is an extremely emotional issue, find grains of truth in the lie, and then commit, to Trump, over and over and over again. - And btw their prior commitment, only intensifies their resistance to accepting information which would indicate that they had made the wrong commitment. So blocking contrary information is not only emotionally satisfying but also necessary.

Just theorizing here.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

- Well I asked for insights and you've brought some great ones.

- What you have there was from the CIA speech, and what got me about that was that it was a sort of apophatic joke - like 'I'm not telling you you have to do what I say, but heh-heh I'm telling you you have to do what I say...'. Different technique maybe but worth noting.

- I do think this is important. Trump could have learned this in his sales techniques, basically selling investors and consumers. But then what if he used this for other things?

The invitation to participate and identify seems pretty important here. It may be passive on his point, but yeah it's active on the audience's part:

• Trump says what is 'smart' or who is 'smart.' In the Muir (ABC) interview he tells Muir (about the imigration EO):
  

Basically here Trump invites Muir and the audience to join in this dystopian vision and drop the objections based on emotion.

Ever been dragged into a time share condo sales pitch? Maybe get stuck in a luxury car dealership sales manager's office when you just came for a look-see? The goal is to get the buyer to drop objections.

- This is easier if you identify with the speaker, if you join his vision, and getting rid of facts and opposing arguments is key.

Brilliant! <no sarcasm this time>

And your memory of the speech...CIA...does make a YUGE difference!

In this scenario, pitching to highly skilled mind ####ers in their own right, he is not going to succeed with even professional techniques..they are all better than he is.  In fact, good enough to get the full impact of what you point out:

heh-heh I'm telling you you have to do what I say

...precisely!

Also:

It may be passive on his point, but yeah it's active on the audience's part:

Yep..an engaged mind that actively forms an opinion holds it better and longer than a passive mind that just accepts.

Thanks...great stuff...but, it is just getting worse for us all if this analysis has any legs. :(  

 

[Eephus]

Thereyago.

And what is subjective? It's emotional. What is "under" reporting? Not talked about every day? Have the press not talked about Paris Bataclan every week? Was that not a horror?

Trump will repeat and repeat this absurdity, but what happens when he or his staff or supporters are confronted about it? It's repeated some more, like a multiplier effect.

Just look at this little fishbowl of a thread: Trump supporters 1. look at 'the outrage', 2. look who is 'outraged', 'ie 'the left' and 'the media', 3. consider the magnitude of what is discussed - terrorism especially - which is an extremely emotional issue, find grains of truth in the lie, and then commit, to Trump, over and over and over again.

Just theorizing here.

It's only natural for some terror attacks to be reported on more than others.  Some events resonate with the public because of scale, the horror or the "there but for the grace of God go I" factor.  Stories with unambiguous good guys and bad guys play better as do those with successful (sort of) conclusions.  Attacks on home soil also get much more attention than those that happen abroad, although foreign attacks that Americans can identify with (e.g. Paris, London) get more publicity.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Probably way behind on this:

Kellyanne Conway may be banned from CNN due to her pattern of constantly lying to journalists.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The Trumpkins need a board champion. Someone who can defend their buoy's policies and actions with the poised articulation of a Henry Ford, among a few others. There are some very solid conservative voices on this board but they don't really have a stake in this now and there is no one yet with the erudition and charisma to stand up for Trump against the braying leftists.

oh be quiet you poop face

 

[mr roboto]

Then what would they wear to the next rally?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Probably way behind on this:

Kellyanne Conway may be banned from CNN due to her pattern of constantly lying to journalists.

Hah! CNN banning someone for lying.  That's rich.  They're going to have ban their entire reporting staff too.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Hah! CNN banning someone for lying.  That's rich.  They're going to have ban their entire reporting staff too.

Zing!

 

[fatness]

Google Chrome extension replaces 'Trump' with 'Steve Bannon'

Alternative leadership? 

Makes some pretty funny results.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5898e2173149a1c6318b4b52-1173/screen shot 2017-02-06 at 34531 pm.png

 

[Henry Ford]

Hah! CNN banning someone for lying.  That's rich.  They're going to have ban their entire reporting staff too.

I doubt they'd do that. It seems silly to pay all those people and then ban them from the network.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's only natural for some terror attacks to be reported on more than others.  Some events resonate with the public because of scale, the horror or the "there but for the grace of God go I" factor.  Stories with unambiguous good guys and bad guys play better as do those with successful (sort of) conclusions.  Attacks on home soil also get much more attention than those that happen abroad, although foreign attacks that Americans can identify with (e.g. Paris, London) get more publicity.

On that point, I doubt Spicer will bring forward examples of the attacks in Istanbul or the attack in Montreal. The examples that Spicer will bring will be attacks that will resonate with parts of the populace who will identify with the victims. This will be a shout-out for racial identification. Then next step is Trump points out that the press is against 'them' specifically. I sense this is where this is going.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Interesting Trump / Obama comparison in WaPo

Discuss. (if you can. Call me names if you cant  )

YOU MOTHER ####ING MORAN!!!

Eh, sorry, can't discuss right now; haven't read article.  Goin to read article now; may be able to discuss later.  

Great article BowieMercs!

The only real thing that I could criticize is this:

William F. Buckley once famously put it, “To say that the CIA and the KGB engage in similar practices is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes an old lady into the path of a hurtling bus is not to be distinguished from the man who pushes an old lady out of the path of a hurtling bus: on the grounds that, after all, in both cases someone is pushing old ladies around.”

It is funny and witty as hell, but, in my youth I read too much of Noam Chomsky's work. Don't follow the Chump now anymore, but enough of his fluids seeped into my mind that I don't believe the CIA is full of old lady saving pushers!  

I am a loon though, but your still a MOTHER ####INK MORAN!

Thanks for the great read though...Moran,

Loon

 

[MaxThreshold]

I doubt they'd do that. It seems silly to pay all those people and then ban them from the network.

Well then they would be hypocrites (no surprise).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Probably way behind on this:

Kellyanne Conway may be banned from CNN due to her pattern of constantly lying to journalists.

KAC has been caught at using the 'Bowling Green Massacre' line more than once.

I'm totally for hearing the expression of viewpoints but if the interviewer gets nothing out of it and if the viewer get nothing but disinformation what's the point.

 

[NREC34]

It's a shame we can't ban people on this board for lying. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Well then they would be hypocrites (no surprise).

I heard an alternative fact that they're freedom fighters.

 

[fatness]

Obama was behind it.

President Trump on Saturday denounced the leaks of transcripts of his telephone conversations with leaders of Australia and Mexico as “disgraceful” and said his administration was searching “very, very hard” for the leakers.

Trump, speaking to Fox News, accused “Obama people” of giving news organizations embarrassing details of his recent tense phone conversations with his Australian and Mexican counterparts, and said that the holdovers from the Obama administration still serving on his White House and National Security Council staff were being replaced.

“It’s a disgrace that they leaked because it’s very much against our country,” Trump said, without stating why he believed that career civil servants who work in Democratic and Republican administrations were the source of the leaks.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I heard an alternative fact that they're freedom fighters.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's alternative fact terrorist.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Has this been brought up here yet?

Trump claims media covering up terrorist attacks.

If so, I apologize,  I'm still at work & have not read back all the way to this morning.

The people in the audience have to be thinking "holy #### this guy is unhinged".

In a speech in front of military leaders at the US Central Command — the Pentagon agency that covers security interests in nations throughout the Middle East and Central Asia — Trump suggested the media was covering up instances of terror attacks.

"All over Europe, it's happening," Trump said. "It's gotten to a point where it's not even being reported. And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it. They have their reasons and you understand that."

Trump didn't cite any examples of attacks that were not being reported on by the press. Asked about the assertion later, press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters that the White House would offer a list of unreported attacks later.

Bannon will show Trump a list on Breitbart which Spicer will pass on. It'll probably include the 100% fake Thousand Muslim Mob that Burned a German Church. I posted that awhile ago and somebody got irate at the fake being exposed; I think it was Higgs. Here's the Breitbart story itself. Next time someone posts a Breitbart link, remember what lying sacks of #### they are.

Regarding:

The people in the audience have to be thinking "holy #### this guy is unhinged".

Some yes...the majority, quite possibly...but I wager that a significant portion will fall for his mind ####.  See my comments above.

Also, regarding my comments above, I seem to have misquoted him; I apologize, as I was going from a poor memory it seems.

However ..."and you understand that" ... is actually a more skilled phrase than my faulty memory of, " "...you know why" .  DAMN! 

The rest I fully endorse! 

Hey fatness,

I forgot to add some detail to my opinion.  I live in Louisville, KY.  Ft. Knox is very close and has one of the world's top urban and special warfare training centers.  My sister has been volunteering there as a civilian trainer for nearly 15 years.  She work with the SEAL teams, delta force and other similar units...I am not a participant, so I not as knowledgeable on the details; but, I hang out with them afterwards at local pubs.  The guys I meet are TOTALLY sold on DJT.  I cannot comment on the Command, but, imo, this was a good crowd for DJT's rhetoric.  I could be wrong though, as I think it was highly populated by command.  If there are any soldiers here that participate, no offense, I am only speaking from my own personal interactions.  Mea culpa if I am wrong.

 

[Ilov80s]

We are buddying up and defending Putin. Putin is protecting and suppprting Assad. Last year Assad ran an extermination factory killing 13,000 civilians. But yeah, keep defending Putin. 

http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/human-slaughterhouse-mass-hangings-and-extermination-at-saydnaya-prison-syria?page=show

 

[Henry Ford]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's alternative fact terrorist.

It's not me, I just hear a lot of people saying it.  A lot of smart people come to me and say "I think CNN are freedom fighters."  But I don't know.  Maybe there's something to that, maybe not.

 

[Jackstraw]

So am I hearing Trump right when he says the media should sensationalize terrorist attacks more? I mean really? I think most of you here can kind of game that out and see it works right into the hands of our enemies. Am I missing something? 

 

[MaxThreshold]

It's not me, I just hear a lot of people saying it.  A lot of smart people come to me and say "I think CNN are freedom fighters."  But I don't know.  Maybe there's something to that, maybe not.

Probably not.

 

[Henry Ford]

I thought Trump was the badass terrorist hunter/killer? He's now being taunted by the guy he tried to kill in Yemen. I thought America was supposed  to get sick of winning?

To be fair, a lot of people have tried to kill Al-Rimi and failed.  They don't usually kill a dozen civilians and an 8-year-old American girl in the process, but they do all fail to get it done.

 

[Henry Ford]

Probably not.

Hey, maybe not.  It's not for me to say.

 

[joffer]

So am I hearing Trump right when he says the media should sensationalize terrorist attacks more? I mean really? I think most of you here can kind of game that out and see it works right into the hands of our enemies. Am I missing something? 

Of course you are.  Hillary had an email server, so it's ok

 

[MaxThreshold]

Of course you are.  Hillary had an email server, so it's ok

Was that the one next to the Vagisil and Monistat in bathroom closet?

 

[Sinn Fein]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's alternative fact terrorist.

 

[Slapdash]

- Well I asked for insights and you've brought some great ones.

- What you have there was from the CIA speech, and what got me about that was that it was a sort of apophatic joke - like 'I'm not telling you you have to do what I say, but heh-heh I'm telling you you have to do what I say...'. Different technique maybe but worth noting.

- I do think this is important. Trump could have learned this in his sales techniques, basically selling investors and consumers. But then what if he used this for other things?

The invitation to participate and identify seems pretty important here. It may be passive on his point, but yeah it's active on the audience's part:

• Trump says what is 'smart' or who is 'smart.' In the Muir (ABC) interview he tells Muir (about the imigration EO):
  

Basically here Trump invites Muir and the audience to join in this dystopian vision and drop the objections based on emotion.

Ever been dragged into a time share condo sales pitch? Maybe get stuck in a luxury car dealership sales manager's office when you just came for a look-see? The goal is to get the buyer to drop objections.

- This is easier if you identify with the speaker, if you join his vision, and getting rid of facts and opposing arguments is key.

Sounds like a lot of the Scott Adams Master Persuader angle

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

We are buddying up and defending Putin. Putin is protecting and suppprting Assad. Last year Assad ran an extermination factory killing 13,000 civilians. But yeah, keep defending Putin. 

http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/human-slaughterhouse-mass-hangings-and-extermination-at-saydnaya-prison-syria?page=show

We just did a very Assad-Putin tactic by taking out electricity for all of Raqqa.

But yeah, the US is not Great anymore, no better or more exceptional than any other nation, and Trump is no better than Assad or Putin, according to Trump. You heard what the man said. This is who we would be partnering up with.

 

[Henry Ford]

Was that the one next to the Vagisil and Monistat in bathroom closet?

At least it wasn't next to a bottle of Propecia and a sample jar of fresh urine, I guess.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sounds like a lot of the Scott Adams Master Persuader angle

Scott Adams was posted approvingly by Trump supporters in 2015-16 IIRC, maybe it is. That's the part where we're supposed to applaud Trump for his amazing deviousness in manipulating everyone.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Beer sucks, Jack Daniels please.

Maker's Mark! 

#BourbonRulzTennesseeWhiskeyLulz

 

[MaxThreshold]

At least it wasn't next to a bottle of Propecia and a sample jar of fresh urine, I guess.

True.  With HRC, at least she would be able to wipe the server down with creme to cure it of any nasties.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Yeah, but Trump promised a lot of winning. 

And he's been delivering.   Missing every now and then is something I can live with.

 

[Dedfin]

To be fair, a lot of people have tried to kill Al-Rimi and failed.  They don't usually kill a dozen civilians and an 8-year-old American girl in the process, but they do all fail to get it done.

Trump does't have a problem with this.  He specifically said he was going after a terrorist's family, and he did.  Mission Accomplished.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

I'm curious what shows up at the top of Trump's replies when he goes back in to admire his brilliance.

But don't we all...now and again?

To be fair...



DJT: NOT FAIR!!!!

 

[Henry Ford]

Trump does't have a problem with this.  He specifically said he was going after a terrorist's family, and he did.  Mission Accomplished.

That particular terrorist is already dead.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

saydnaya-prison

Actual place.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Bowling Green Massacre was NOT a one time thing

WHEW!  Before I clicked the links, I thought I had more than 1 drunken night of cow slaughter!

#BlackOutsSuck                          #WhatHappensInBowlingGreenKY_StaysInBowlingGreenKY

Luckily, it was her repeat and not mine. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Yeah, but Trump promised a lot of winning. 

I believe he promised that America would be winning. So far we're doing gangbusters in court.

 

[Dedfin]

That particular terrorist is already dead.

I'm not sure he knows, or cares, and I don't think we should make assumptions of either.

 

[Slapdash]

Scott Adams was posted approvingly by Trump supporters in 2015-16 IIRC, maybe it is. That's the part where we're supposed to applaud Trump for his amazing deviousness in manipulating everyone.

Right.  As if being a life-long con-artist is a praiseworthy attribute or one we should have as presiden

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's a shame we can't ban people on this board for lying. 

A bunch of people here aren't even using their real names!

 

[urbanhack]

And he's been delivering.   

I'd love to see your list.   

 

[Northern Voice]

In case it wasn't clear to the Trumpers, his list of "uncovered attaks" once again makes the government of your country look like a laughingstock. 

 

[Captain Cranks]

I'd love to see your list.   

I bet your kiss is on the list.  

 

[Northern Voice]

Uncovered attaks !!!! https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/828773405444894720