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And who really cares if we need annual, or even bi-annual boosters until the pandemic is controlled? You guys act like they are harvesting organs.
Maybe not harvesting organs, but that is a lot of computer chips inserted.And who really cares if we need annual, or even bi-annual boosters until the pandemic is controlled? You guys act like they are harvesting organs.
Explains the chip shortageMaybe not harvesting organs, but that is a lot of computer chips inserted.
he's gotten to the point where a lot of people just don't listen to him at all. it's impressive. dr flip flop.Guy is a Class A dope. Says it's too soon to say whether you will be able to spend Christmas with family on Face the Nation. Quickly backtracks saying he's spending Christmas with his family.
(Are people really still avoiding family gatherings? WTH is wrong with people?)
Guy changes his mind every time the wind blows. Does a 180 on everything he says.
Nobody's avoiding family gatherings anymore. Even on this site.Guy is a Class A dope. Says it's too soon to say whether you will be able to spend Christmas with family on Face the Nation. Quickly backtracks saying he's spending Christmas with his family.
(Are people really still avoiding family gatherings? WTH is wrong with people?)
Guy changes his mind every time the wind blows. Does a 180 on everything he says.
When it comes to scientists in charge of public health, yes.Sure about that?
Nobody's avoiding family gatherings anymore. Even on this site.
Yeah hes a ####### clownFauci was asked on Face the Nation if it would be ok to have family gatherings for Christmas and he said it was "too early to tell".
Fauci claims his statement was misinterpreted. He said it's too soon to tell if people can get together for Christmas, but he is going to do it with his family.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But we can gather for Christmas, or it's just too soon to tell.
DR. FAUCI: You know, MARGARET, it's just too soon to tell. We've just got to concentrating on continuing to get those numbers down and not try to jump ahead by weeks or months and say what we're going to do at a particular time.
MONDAY MORNING QB FAUCI: That was misinterpreted as my saying we can’t spend Christmas with our families, which was absolutely not the case. I will be spending Christmas with my family, I encourage people, particularly the vaccinated people who are protected, to have a good normal Christmas with your family.
This #### pisses me off. What needed interpretting? He wasn't speaking in metaphors.Fauci claims his statement was misinterpreted. He said it's too soon to tell if people can get together for Christmas, but he is going to do it with his family.
Do you wish he said we could end this pandemic in approximately 2 weeks if all the unvaxxed knuckleheads would go ahead and get their shots?I wish he would just tell us when COVID will end. The guy is such a moron.
What's another lie at this point?the moops said:Do you wish he said we could end this pandemic in approximately 2 weeks if all the unvaxxed knuckleheads would go ahead and get their shots?
If the question was so absurd, perhaps the reporter needs to go?unckeyherb said:This #### pisses me off. What needed interpretting? He wasn't speaking in metaphors.
She asked: "...but we can gather for Christmas? Or its just too soon to tell?"
He answered: "You know Margaret, it's just too soon to tell."
Where is the amiguity or nuance that needs interpretation? Its a ####### binary question. And an absurd one at that-who in their right mind is not gathering with their family on Christmas based on the dictates of Fauci?
God, this guy needs to go.
I thought (s)he was joking? Surely people realize nobody is able to know when covid will “end”?the moops said:Do you wish he said we could end this pandemic in approximately 2 weeks if all the unvaxxed knuckleheads would go ahead and get their shots?
Fine get rid of her. If you are vaccinated and the rest of your family is as well and you are avoiding family gatherings there is something wrong with you. Sorry but the insanely heightened levels of risk aversion this pandemic has produced is sad.If the question was so absurd, perhaps the reporter needs to go?
Also FTR, some people are still avoiding large family gatherings.
Some problems with your reasoning:Fine get rid of her. If you are vaccinated and the rest of your family is as well and you are avoiding family gatherings there is something wrong with you. Sorry but the insanely heightened levels of risk aversion this pandemic has produced is sad.
I didn’t say all. I said if you and all of your family ARE vaccinated. Immunocompromised people have to make different choices than the vast majority of folks who are not. If I was asymptomatic but had COVID I’d let everyone know and have a dialogue with them I suppose. The end result would probably be that I wouldn’t go. I’m vaccinated and in good health as are all of my family members. If my little sister was positive and asymptomatic I’d still have her over for Christmas dinner.Some problems with your reasoning:
1. Not all families are fully vaccinated.
2. Not all family members are immunocompetent.
3. Covid caseload and healthcare utilization is not uniform.
4. Some places have mandates prohibiting large gatherings.
And we all know vaccinated people can contract and spread it. Would you meet with vaccinated family if you knew you were infected? For the sake of discussion, let’s say it was discovered on screening for international travel, but you were asymptomatic.
Ok. But it's fairly common that someone in the family isn't vaccinated, or has increased risk from covid due to age, illness or immunocompromise.I didn’t say all. I said if you and all of your family ARE vaccinated. Immunocompromised people have to make different choices than the vast majority of folks who are not. If I was asymptomatic but had COVID I’d let everyone know and have a dialogue with them I suppose. The end result would probably be that I wouldn’t go. I’m vaccinated and in good health as are all of my family members. If my little sister was positive and asymptomatic I’d still have her over for Christmas dinner.
Yes, I was being sarcastic. So many of the questions Fauci has to answer are not black and white, and the answer depends on the circumstances.the moops said:Do you wish he said we could end this pandemic in approximately 2 weeks if all the unvaxxed knuckleheads would go ahead and get their shots?
I didn't respond to 3 and 4 because I actually don't think they factor in much at all frankly.Ok. But it's fairly common that someone in the family isn't vaccinated, or has increased risk from covid due to age, illness or immunocompromise.
I also don't think it's ideal to put the onus on others to manage an individual's behavior, once they know they're infected. You welcoming your infected sister is different than creating a situation where people have to speak up to keep loved ones away. Open invitation or not, I would hope the person with covid would isolate rather than put others at risk.
ETA I noticed you ignored points 3 and 4 above. Arguably, those are the most relevant for "insanely heightened levels of risk aversion" which might deter family gatherings.
I mean, of course, but that is not really representative of a vast number of family structures. Decisions need to be made by the family of Aunt Edna. More to the point, the question asked was not giving some outlier, multiple asthmatics in a group of 50 unvaccinated people. It was simply, can we gather for Christmas. Coming from the anchorwoman conducting the interview, I'd assume that she was vaccinated. His response was its too early to tell. That isn't toxic messaging, its literally the exact context and words that were used.Yes, I was being sarcastic. So many of the questions Fauci has to answer are not black and white, and the answer depends on the circumstances.
If he and his immediate family (5-10 people), who are all vaccinated, get together for Christmas dinner, they are fine. If a family of 50, consisting of vaxx'd and unvaxx'd, get together for an entire weekend, including asthmatics and 90 year old Aunt Edna, it's going to end badly. A lot also depends upon current vaccination and infection rates in that particular area in December.
Instead of considering all of these variables, it's far easier to just label him a liar. That is the toxic messaging that appeases those who refuse to get vaccinated, or those who view a pandemic as a political issue.
You made a blanket statement about people’s decisions. I simply pointed out all communities are not the same, and your experience may not apply for the entire country. For example, Alaska’s healthcare system is extremely taxed right now. Hawaii still has mask mandates and restrictions on large gatherings. Someone opting out of a big holiday gathering in those places isn’t acting irrationally.I didn't respond to 3 and 4 because I actually don't think they factor in much at all frankly.
3. Covid caseload and healthcare utilization is not uniform. There are many people in my community that I know personally, who have been fully vaccinated, that have yet to go to a restaurant and would not go to a dinner party, for instance. There is no overwhelming covid caseload in my area and all of these people have good health insurance and access to top notch healthcare. Caseload is not factoring into their decision to stay at home, ignoring the fact that they are vaccinated.
4. Some places have mandates prohibiting large gatherings. I'm not aware of any such restrictions around me, but I could be wrong. I would concede that mandates such as those probably do contribute to the heightened level of risk aversion I mentioned earlier. I'd argue that that is a bad thing. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight and the targets keep shifting as to when we all can get back to normal. Along the way, people's ability to weigh the very minimal risk of Covid (if vaccinated) with the obvious rewards of living a normal life are further dwindling. As stated earlier I think that is a ad state of affairs. An anecdote to put a point on this; in my school district there are a growing number of parents that are vocally in favor of requiring masks in schools ad infinitum, regardless of what happens with Covid. A policy like that two years ago would have gotten at best an eyeroll. Now its being heralded by an admittedly small but growing group.
I didn't say big holiday gathering and neither did the interviewer. "We can gather for Christmas?" is all she said and he said "too early to tell." Not, "too early to tell if you have an old aunt" or "too early to tell if you are in Hawaii" or "too early to tell if your hospital is running at 102% capacity". The blanket statement came from him. Not quantifying or qualifying, simply too early to tell. This guy is living on planet Neptune.You made a blanket statement about people’s decisions. I simply pointed out all communities are not the same, and your experience may not apply for the entire country. For example, Alaska’s healthcare system is extremely taxed right now. Hawaii still has mask mandates and restrictions on large gatherings. Someone opting out of a big holiday gathering in those places isn’t acting irrationally.
The disease is dynamic, so there’s no reason to believe the guidance won’t adjust along the way. We need to be patient and stop arbitrarily insisting a return to normalcy, when the situation we’re in is anything but normal.
Reporters literally get paid to ask absurd questions, that's their job.If the question was so absurd, perhaps the reporter needs to go?
Also FTR, some people are still avoiding large family gatherings.
The point is, it may or may not be reasonable to gather for the holidays, and characterizing those who abstain as having “insanely elevated levels of risk aversion” or “irrational” ignores a lot of nuance. For some people, and for some gatherings, it is “too early to tell.”I didn't say big holiday gathering and neither did the interviewer. "We can gather for Christmas?" is all she said and he said "too early to tell." Not, "too early to tell if you have an old aunt" or "too early to tell if you are in Hawaii" or "too early to tell if your hospital is running at 102% capacity". The blanket statement came from him. Not quantifying or qualifying, simply too early to tell. This guy is living on planet Neptune.
Whatever, I'm not going to go 15 rounds here. I think that someone opting out of spending Christmas day with their family is irrational. You don't. No problem.
Face the Nation, it’s right there in the name. Finding some obscure example for some people doesn’t discount how absurd his statement was on that stage to that audience.The point is, it may or may not be reasonable to gather for the holidays, and characterizing those who abstain as having “insanely elevated levels of risk aversion” or “irrational” ignores a lot of nuance. For some people, and for some gatherings, it is “too early to tell.”
It doesn’t ignore nuance. You’re right. For some people it may be too early to tell. That’s not who he was speaking to. He was speaking to everyone. He’s culpable in raising the levels of irrationality.The point is, it may or may not be reasonable to gather for the holidays, and characterizing those who abstain as having “insanely elevated levels of risk aversion” or “irrational” ignores a lot of nuance. For some people, and for some gatherings, it is “too early to tell.”
When speaking to everyone, one needs to err on the side of caution. As a public health official, he can’t assume we’re all on the same page regarding covid risk - look no further than this forum if you believe otherwise.It doesn’t ignore nuance. You’re right. For some people it may be too early to tell. That’s not who he was speaking to. He was speaking to everyone. He’s culpable in raising the levels of irrationality.
Completely disagree. He could have easily said “if you are vaccinated and your family is vaccinated, eat as much turkey as you can and hug your loved ones. If you’re not you need to exercise caution and make the best decisions you feel for you and your family.” That would be based in reality. His response was not.When speaking to everyone, one needs to err on the side of caution. As a public health official, he can’t assume we’re all on the same page regarding covid risk - look no further than this forum if you believe otherwise.
Considering the % of the population who is unvaccinated or have waning immunity and chronic medical conditions predisposing to severe covid, plus regional variation in healthcare resources, it’s likely the majority of the country has reason to pause before committing to holiday gatherings.
And he’d still be attacked for singling out the unvaccinated. He’s in a no win situation with critics. No matter how he answers the question his critics will come after him.Completely disagree. He could have easily said “if you are vaccinated and your family is vaccinated, eat as much turkey as you can and hug your loved ones. If you’re not you need to exercise caution and make the best decisions you feel for you and your family.” That would be based in reality. His response was not.
oh for fuques sake??!! If I wasn't such a Disney fan i'd be canceling my Disney+ subscription. Really Disney? Do me a favor, stick to fairy tales, they are more believable than this guy.
He also could’ve said that in July. Fast forward two months, and delta would’ve proved him wrong. I see no problem in acknowledging a lot can change as the virus and circumstances evolve.Completely disagree. He could have easily said “if you are vaccinated and your family is vaccinated, eat as much turkey as you can and hug your loved ones. If you’re not you need to exercise caution and make the best decisions you feel for you and your family.” That would be based in reality. His response was not.
no, you tell HIM when it ends. That's part of the problem. People don't need to follow ineffective "leaders".I wish he would just tell us when COVID will end. The guy is such a moron.
And he’d still be attacked for singling out the unvaccinated. He’s in a no win situation with critics. No matter how he answers the question his critics will come after him.
If he goes to one extreme or the other, he’ll get ripped if he changes from the response in the next 3 months no matter what happens.
Not me. I don't have any understanding of Biden screwing this up. You are totally wrong here my fellow FBG.People can understand why Biden and Trump screwed this all up. It doesn't make it any of it right but they understand neither of them "know the science".
He promoted vaccine hesitancy and then promoted firing the vaccine hesitant.I don't have any understanding of Biden screwing this up.
I agree that Fauci isn't quite as bad as Trump. It's quite telling that that's the best defense he's got at this point.Not me. I don't have any understanding of Biden screwing this up. You are totally wrong here my fellow FBG.
I don't blame Fauci, he's trying to do his job. I blame the one above who directly lied to me and you and did his best to squelch Fauci with brilliant quips like this,
"It's like the flu. No big deal. Gone by Easter."
"It’s going to disappear one day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
“A lot of people think that goes away in April, with the heat, as the heat comes in, typically that will go away in April.”
“Now we know it. It affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. But they have other problems, that’s what it really affects, that’s it.” He added: “But it affects virtually nobody. It’s an amazing thing.”
"I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning?"
“Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”
Not me. I don't have any understanding of Biden screwing this up. You are totally wrong here my fellow FBG.
I don't blame Fauci, he's trying to do his job. I blame the one above who directly lied to me and you and did his best to squelch Fauci with brilliant quips like this....