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[Bracie Smathers]

Do you have a link where they talk about slowing the camera down for Ford?

Don't have time right now but it was a video similar to the one I shared above and only a snippet of that video. I'll get around to tracking that down if I can but it might take me some time.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

On a little Western kick this weekend, all rewatches

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Ride the High Country
Winchester '73
The Fasest Gun Alive

These are all B tier Westerns for me. Not B as in B movie but just a simple grading scale. Not the top shelf but movies all Wesrern fans should try at some point. I see only Winchester made @Bracie Smathers list

I haven't seen EVERY Western.
The one you saw that I haven't watched is 'The Fastest Gun Alive'. Love Glen Ford and Brodrick Crawford is always amazing as a baddie. Great pipes. Best known for 'All the Kings Men' as Hughie Long.
Noted that I liked 'Ride the High Country' but just never clicked with 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon'.

I’m wrapping up the weekend westerns with one of your favorites, Tombstone. RIP Val Kilmer. Every few years I keep going back to it hoping to like it more. Val is great in it but I think for some reason I struggle with Kurt Russell as Wyatt Earp.

The editing and pacing is all screwed up. Probably because there were three different directors on the film. I don't have a huge problem with Russell's performance - by all accounts I've read, Wyatt Earp was basically a block of wood.

 

[Manster]

@Bracie Smathers

I saw you had the True Grit re-make ranked pretty high on your list. I really love that movie. I think the Coen Brothers made a movie that outdid the original. John Wayne fans may think that's blasphemous!

Hailey Steinfeld is awesome! Great cast! Great filming techniques. Great dialogue, like you said. Typical Coen bros.

I also really enjoyed Buster Scruggs ......I've watched it a few times. Gets better each time.

 

[Chaos34]

Casting real life brothers as the James, Younger, Miller and Ford brothers in The Long Riders is the greatest casting gimmick of all-time. But the movie manages to top it.

Couldn't sleep 4:30 am. Saw this streaming free on Youtube. I've seen it but so long ago it's fresh. I assume readers of this thread are aware of it, but just in case. The brothers Keach play Frank and Jessie James. The brothers Carradine play the three brothers Younger. The brothers Quaid play the brothers Ed and Clell Miller, and the brothers Guest play Charlie and Bob Ford. Soundtrack by Ry Cooder who makes a cameo with guitar. 1980 release. They so young. This movie too fun.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Casting real life brothers as the James, Younger, Miller and Ford brothers in The Long Riders is the greatest casting gimmick of all-time. But the movie manages to top it.

Couldn't sleep 4:30 am. Saw this streaming free on Youtube. I've seen it but so long ago it's fresh. I assume readers of this thread are aware of it, but just in case. The brothers Keach play Frank and Jessie James. The brothers Carradine play the three brothers Younger. The brothers Quaid play the brothers Ed and Clell Miller, and the brothers Guest play Charlie and Bob Ford. Soundtrack by Ry Cooder who makes a cameo with guitar. 1980 release. They so young. This movie too fun.

God, I haven't seen this in 40 years. I need to give it another go. Thanks for bumping the mention.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Do you have a link where they talk about slowing the camera down for Ford? The scene where he shoots a beer bottle before it hits the ground in The Fastest Gun Alive almost surely uses a mini jumpcut to make him appear faster than he is. You can kind of see it’s a little jerky as he draws and shoots so I’m curious to read about the process or if it’s actually not what it appears.

Found the video.
The director had to use unusual camera angles in order to make the other actors look better because Glenn Ford made them look like amateurs.
Go to 1:15 for the blurb.
Hollywood’s Fastest Gunslinger - You Won’t Believe Who It Was!

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Noticed this IMBD Western Essential list.
Purdy good. Noticed it was recently updated.
In descending order by year.
Essential Westerns - The Best Western Movies Ever Made
36 titles
1. Stagecoach 1939
2. Destry Rides Again 1939
3. The Ox-Bow Incident 1942
4. My Darling Clementine 1946
5. Angel and the Badman 1947
6. Red River 1948
7. The Gunfighter 1950
8. Winchester '73 1950
9. High Noon 1952
10. The Naked Spur 1953
11. Hondo 1953
12. Johnny Guitar 1954
13. Wichita 1955
14. Jubal 1956
15. The Searchers 1956
16. 3:10 to Yuma 1957
17. Night Passage 1957
18. Gunfight at the O.K. Corral 1957
19. Ride Lonesome 1959
20. Last Train from Gun Hill 1959
21. Rio Bravo 1959
22. Yojimbo 1961
23. Ride the High Country 1962
24. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 1962
25. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly 1966
26. Once Upon a Time in the West 1968
27. True Grit 1969
28. The Wild Bunch 1969
29. Jeremiah Johnson 1972
30. The Shootist 1976
31. Pale Rider 1985
32. Quigley Down Under 1990
33. Dances with Wolves 1990
34. Unforgiven 1992
35. Open Range 2003
36. Hostiles 2017

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I saw you had the True Grit re-make ranked pretty high on your list. I really love that movie. I think the Coen Brothers made a movie that outdid the original. John Wayne fans may think that's blasphemous!

Hailey Steinfeld is awesome! Great cast! Great filming techniques. Great dialogue, like you said. Typical Coen bros.

I am rewatching and the dialogue is utter perfection.
Especially the horse-trading scene dialogue.
Mattie: I'm Mattie Ross.
Daughter of Frank Ross.
Stonehill: Oh, uh. A tragic thing.
May I say your father impressed me with his manly qualities.
He was a close trader but acted the gentleman.
Mattie: Well, I propose to sell those ponies back to you that my father bought.
Stonehill: That I fear is out of the question.
I will see that they are shipped to you at my earliest convenience.
Mattie: We don't want the ponies now.
We don't need em'
Stonehill: Well that hardly concerns me.
Your father bought the ponies and paid for them and there's an end of it.
I have the bill of sale.
Mattie: And I want $300 dollars for Papa's saddle horse that was stolen from your stable.
Stonehill: You'll have to take that up with the man who stole the horse.
Mattie: Tom Chaney stole the horse while it was in your care.
You are responsible.
Stonehill: (CHUCKLES) I admire your sand, but you will find I am not liable for such claims.
Mattie: You were the custodian.
If you were a bank that was robbed, you could not simply tell the depositors to go hang.
Stonehill: I do not entertain hypotheticals.
The world as it is, is vexing enough.
Secondly, your valuation of the horse is high by about $200.
How old are you?
Mattie: If anything, my price is low.
Judy is a fine racing mare.
I have seen her jump an eight-rail fence with a heavy rider.
I'm 14.
Stonehill: Ah well, that's all very interesting.
The ponies are yours.
Take them.
Your father's horse was stolen by a murderous criminal.
I have provided reasonable protection for the creature as per our implicit agreement.
My watchman had his teeth knocked out and can take only soup.
Mattie: I will take it to law.
Stonehill: You have no case.
Mattie: Lawyer J. Noble Daggert of Dardenelle, Arkansas may think otherwise, as might a jury petitioned by a widow with three small children.
Stonehill: I will pay $200 to your father's estate. When I have it in my hand a letter from your lawyer absolving me of all liability from the beginning
of the world to date...
Mattie: I will take $200 for Judy, plus $100 for the ponies and $25 for the gray horse that Tom Chaney left.
He was easily worth $40.
That is $325 total.
Stonehill: The ponies have no part in it.
I will not buy them.
Mattie: Then the price for Judy is $325.
Stonehill: I would not pay $325 for a winged Pegasus!
As for the gray horse, it does not belong to you.
Mattie: The gray horse was lent to Tom Chaney by my father.
Chaney only had the use of him.
Stonehill: I will pay $225 and keep the gray horse.
I don't want the ponies.
Mattie: I cannot accept that.
There will be no settlement after I leave.
It will go to law.
Stonehill: Alright, this is my last offer.
$250.
For that I get the release previously discussed and I keep your father's saddle.
The gray horse is not yours to sell.
Mattie: The saddle is not for sale; I will keep it.
Lawyer Daggert will prove ownership of the gray horse.
He will come after you with a writ of replevin.
Stonehill: A what?
Mattie: A writ of replevin.
Stonehill: All right now listen very carefully as I will not bargain further.
I will take the ponies back, and the gray horse, which is mine, and settle for $300.
Now, you must take that or leave it, and I do not care much which it is.
Mattie: Lawyer Daggert would not wish me to consider anything under $325 but I will settle for $320 if I am given the $20 in advance.
Now, this is what I have to say about that saddle.

 

[fruity pebbles]

One that’s come out since this thread started is Old Henry. Absolutely fantastic imo.

 

[Manster]

I saw you had the True Grit re-make ranked pretty high on your list. I really love that movie. I think the Coen Brothers made a movie that outdid the original. John Wayne fans may think that's blasphemous!

Hailey Steinfeld is awesome! Great cast! Great filming techniques. Great dialogue, like you said. Typical Coen bros.

I am rewatching and the dialogue is utter perfection.
Especially the horse-trading scene dialogue.
Mattie: I'm Mattie Ross.
Daughter of Frank Ross.
Stonehill: Oh, uh. A tragic thing.
May I say your father impressed me with his manly qualities.
He was a close trader but acted the gentleman.
Mattie: Well, I propose to sell those ponies back to you that my father bought.
Stonehill: That I fear is out of the question.
I will see that they are shipped to you at my earliest convenience.
Mattie: We don't want the ponies now.
We don't need em'
Stonehill: Well that hardly concerns me.
Your father bought the ponies and paid for them and there's an end of it.
I have the bill of sale.
Mattie: And I want $300 dollars for Papa's saddle horse that was stolen from your stable.
Stonehill: You'll have to take that up with the man who stole the horse.
Mattie: Tom Chaney stole the horse while it was in your care.
You are responsible.
Stonehill: (CHUCKLES) I admire your sand, but you will find I am not liable for such claims.
Mattie: You were the custodian.
If you were a bank that was robbed, you could not simply tell the depositors to go hang.
Stonehill: I do not entertain hypotheticals.
The world as it is, is vexing enough.
Secondly, your valuation of the horse is high by about $200.
How old are you?
Mattie: If anything, my price is low.
Judy is a fine racing mare.
I have seen her jump an eight-rail fence with a heavy rider.
I'm 14.
Stonehill: Ah well, that's all very interesting.
The ponies are yours.
Take them.
Your father's horse was stolen by a murderous criminal.
I have provided reasonable protection for the creature as per our implicit agreement.
My watchman had his teeth knocked out and can take only soup.
Mattie: I will take it to law.
Stonehill: You have no case.
Mattie: Lawyer J. Noble Daggert of Dardenelle, Arkansas may think otherwise, as might a jury petitioned by a widow with three small children.
Stonehill: I will pay $200 to your father's estate. When I have it in my hand a letter from your lawyer absolving me of all liability from the beginning
of the world to date...
Mattie: I will take $200 for Judy, plus $100 for the ponies and $25 for the gray horse that Tom Chaney left.
He was easily worth $40.
That is $325 total.
Stonehill: The ponies have no part in it.
I will not buy them.
Mattie: Then the price for Judy is $325.
Stonehill: I would not pay $325 for a winged Pegasus!
As for the gray horse, it does not belong to you.
Mattie: The gray horse was lent to Tom Chaney by my father.
Chaney only had the use of him.
Stonehill: I will pay $225 and keep the gray horse.
I don't want the ponies.
Mattie: I cannot accept that.
There will be no settlement after I leave.
It will go to law.
Stonehill: Alright, this is my last offer.
$250.
For that I get the release previously discussed and I keep your father's saddle.
The gray horse is not yours to sell.
Mattie: The saddle is not for sale; I will keep it.
Lawyer Daggert will prove ownership of the gray horse.
He will come after you with a writ of replevin.
Stonehill: A what?
Mattie: A writ of replevin.
Stonehill: All right now listen very carefully as I will not bargain further.
I will take the ponies back, and the gray horse, which is mine, and settle for $300.
Now, you must take that or leave it, and I do not care much which it is.
Mattie: Lawyer Daggert would not wish me to consider anything under $325 but I will settle for $320 if I am given the $20 in advance.
Now, this is what I have to say about that saddle.

I love that scene!