The Wheel of Time on Amazon (1 Viewer)

[The Gator]

Yea gonna have to tap out then. See y’all in 2030

With the way they’re adapting this, it being so different than the books so far, I bet you could watch this then read it and enjoy it more. That could change, but I really think they’re going in the right direction for a very good, condensed adaptation. 
 

you would have the gist of all the things it took us 3-4 books to get and get RJ world in more detail.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Correct, in season one we should see stuff/info from New Spring, Eye of the World and The Great Hunt. 

I just get the feeling that unlike GOT, there will not be a clean jumping in spot for the books after this season.    S1 and Book 1 of GOT were damn near identical.     Here, I've read 1 1/2 books and in 4 episodes I am already wonder wtf is going on with some plots.  

I assume for people wanting to start on the books where the plot is in the TV show will also be confused if they try to start book 3 or 4 in a month.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

I assume for people wanting to start on the books where the plot is in the TV show will also be confused if they try to start book 3 or 4 in a month.  

 

"Start book 3 or 4 in a month"

Nobody has that kind of free time to get through 2 or 3 of these books in a month!

 

[KarmaPolice]

 

"Start book 3 or 4 in a month"

Nobody has that kind of free time to get through 2 or 3 of these books in a month!

well. Gator probably will. 

No, I meant start on book 3 or 4, wherever the plot leaves off, in a month when S1 is over.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

well. Gator probably will. 

No, I meant start on book 3 or 4, wherever the plot leaves off, in a month when S1 is over.  

I am a little over 7 hours into the first audio book - they are just leaving the village.  For now, I think I am going to stick with the book before going back to the series (I saw the first episode) - even though I know the series will be beyond the book.

I've had to go back several times just to try to keep up with who is who, but I think I have a good handle on it now.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I am a little over 7 hours into the first audio book - they are just leaving the village.  For now, I think I am going to stick with the book before going back to the series (I saw the first episode) - even though I know the series will be beyond the book.

I've had to go back several times just to try to keep up with who is who, but I think I have a good handle on it now.

Only gets worse, but I'm sure you are expecting that.  

Do you listen to books at a speed faster than 1x? 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Only gets worse, but I'm sure you are expecting that.  

Do you listen to books at a speed faster than 1x? 

I have not tried faster speeds - yet.

I was having trouble keeping up with the plot at normal speed, but now that I think I have a good handle on that, might try it.

I do have the version read by Rosamund Pike, so at least there is that.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I have not tried faster speeds - yet.

I was having trouble keeping up with the plot at normal speed, but now that I think I have a good handle on that, might try it.

I do have the version read by Rosamund Pike, so at least there is that.

Interesting.  I didn't know that was a thing.   Mine is a male and female reader that alternate depending on chapters/Povs.   

I always have my pods slightly faster, I think 1.2/1.25x.    I am pretty sure that's what I have Audible set at too.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

Interesting.  I didn't know that was a thing.   Mine is a male and female reader that alternate depending on chapters/Povs.   

I always have my pods slightly faster, I think 1.2/1.25x.    I am pretty sure that's what I have Audible set at too.  

I think you have the original.

She probably did the book reading in conjunction with her role in the series.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think you have the original.

She probably did the book reading in conjunction with her role in the series.

That's nuts.  I can't imagine the time commitment that would be required to read these things for an audiobook.   And also acting in the series?   

 

[The Gator]

Interesting.  I didn't know that was a thing.   Mine is a male and female reader that alternate depending on chapters/Povs.   

I always have my pods slightly faster, I think 1.2/1.25x.    I am pretty sure that's what I have Audible set at too.  

1.2x is a sweet spot for Michael Kramer's natation imo. Was a gamechanger for me. Also makes a 28hr book about a 23hr book

 

[stbugs]

Personally, really liking the show so far. It’s not GOT and not LOTR. It’s definitely more people based than LOTR (way less species if you will), but probably more similar in story. Seems to be a bit of politics but again not to the level of depth in GOT. More similar to Walter from Fringe’s actions that Gandalf has to get around than Littlefinger’s behind the scenes work. Hayden Christensen guy is probably the worst so far but he hasn’t been that bad. Honestly, a better haircut and he wouldn’t be as bad.

 

[Tom Servo]

I haven’t cruised this thread, but I just got 30 free days of Amazon Prime. Am I going to be lost if I didn’t read the book(s)?

 

[Mile High]

I haven’t cruised this thread, but I just got 30 free days of Amazon Prime. Am I going to be lost if I didn’t read the book(s)?

Why would you? Just take it as a TV series and roll with that. I didn't read the books didn't read the GoT books either. 

 

[Maelstrom]

Really enjoyed ep. 4 and think the show is starting to hit it's stride. Details are not the same as in the books, but it FEELS like the WoT world that's been in my head for all these years. I thought they did a good job following the various groups without feeling too disjointed bouncing back and forth. And the ending, I won't say anything here now, but dang. (and again, I know it's a bit of a change but I liked it regardless. I love the books, but I'm not a purist when it comes to the adaptation - I'll enjoy it for what it is also.) I do have a few quibbles (2, not 6, for those that know of what I refer?) but still enjoying it.

As to the comment about costumes, remember for Winternight and the day before, people were probably wearing their best outfits (celebration outfits, etc.) At least, that's what I was thinking, and also why they were relatively clean, ha.

For those that haven't read the books, they are doing a pretty decent job I think balancing exposition, world-building and story-telling alongside making sure things are happening each episode. But I think most can jump right in without reading it, there isn't a lot of assumed knowledge (which a lot of book readers seem to be forgetting, honestly).

 

[snogger]

I haven’t cruised this thread, but I just got 30 free days of Amazon Prime. Am I going to be lost if I didn’t read the book(s)?

No.. Haven't read them and enjoying it immensely

 

[prosopis]

Three episodes in and I like it.

 

[Redwes25]

Watched episode 4 last night and have to say I really like it so far.  As @maelstrom said I feel like they have captured the world and at least so far are making changes to the story which you need to narrow the story into something more manageable for a TV show.  

 

[jplvr]

Really enjoyed ep. 4 and think the show is starting to hit it's stride. Details are not the same as in the books, but it FEELS like the WoT world that's been in my head for all these years. I thought they did a good job following the various groups without feeling too disjointed bouncing back and forth. And the ending, I won't say anything here now, but dang. (and again, I know it's a bit of a change but I liked it regardless. I love the books, but I'm not a purist when it comes to the adaptation - I'll enjoy it for what it is also.) I do have a few quibbles (2, not 6, for those that know of what I refer?) but still enjoying it.

As to the comment about costumes, remember for Winternight and the day before, people were probably wearing their best outfits (celebration outfits, etc.) At least, that's what I was thinking, and also why they were relatively clean, ha.

For those that haven't read the books, they are doing a pretty decent job I think balancing exposition, world-building and story-telling alongside making sure things are happening each episode. But I think most can jump right in without reading it, there isn't a lot of assumed knowledge (which a lot of book readers seem to be forgetting, honestly).

I read the first page and then skipped to the last. I was out of town for a week, and I've only watched the 4 episodes on my laptop.

Huge fan of the books. I've read them 3 times so far. I can see why people have trouble starting them because of Jordan's writing style, but 4-7 are some of the best books in fantasy (yes, 7 starts to drop off). 8 and 9 are pretty meh, and 10 is forgettable. I might not ever read 10 again. It's nice Jordan was able to come through with book 11, and while Sanderson made mistakes, he nailed it with so many scenes and mostly with the finish (one big complaint). (Edit) Book 12 was Sanderson's worst of the 3, but it also has one of my favorite scenes which I won't even get remotely specific on because it's one of the best reveals of the series.

First 20 minutes of the show made me want to turn it off. The show runner wanted more episodes for the first season, and he had to assign an intern just to handle all of the "suggestions" execs were giving him, so I'm giving him a break. I knew there would be changes to the books, but I was pretty annoyed they didn't set up the characters more in the beginning, and the way they left was hasty and didn't make as much sense. I was a little annoyed with the Perrin change as well as Rand and Egwene already banging, but those were minor. Really hated what they did to Mat's parents.

I think they're started to hit their stride towards the end of the first episode and continued to build it well through 3. I really loved most of Ep 4, but that scene with Nynaeve at the end was just wrong. From the previews and some of the foreshadowing, I think they're about to do something which will once again have me pissed. I don't know how sketchy people are with book discussion of the show, but there are just some people who should not end up in Tar Valon, especially right now, and we already know from the previews one of them will end up there (Moiraine).

I do disagree with people who say it couldn't have been done in a more GOT style with nudity and violence, but it just isn't as dark of a story as GOT. It is more of a LOTR vibe from an overall perspective because it's just not as gritty and ruthless.

If it hasn't been covered, they only have 8 seasons planned for the series.

 

[jplvr]

Quoted myself here instead of editing.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I read the first page and then skipped to the last. I was out of town for a week, and I've only watched the 4 episodes on my laptop.

Huge fan of the books. I've read them 3 times so far. I can see why people have trouble starting them because of Jordan's writing style, but 4-7 are some of the best books in fantasy (yes, 7 starts to drop off). 8 and 9 are pretty meh, and 10 is forgettable. I might not ever read 10 again. It's nice Jordan was able to come through with book 11, and while Sanderson made mistakes, he nailed it with so many scenes and mostly with the finish (one big complaint). Book 10 was his worst, but it also has one of my favorite scenes which I won't even get remotely specific on because it's one of the best reveals of the series.

First 20 minutes of the show made me want to turn it off. The show runner wanted more episodes for the first season, and he had to assign an intern just to handle all of the "suggestions" execs were giving him, so I'm giving him a break. I knew there would be changes to the books, but I was pretty annoyed they didn't set up the characters more in the beginning, and the way they left was hasty and didn't make as much sense. I was a little annoyed with the Perrin change as well as Rand and Egwene already banging, but those were minor. Really hated what they did to Mat's parents.

I think they're started to hit their stride towards the end of the first episode and continued to build it well through 3. I really loved most of Ep 4, but that scene with Nynaeve at the end was just wrong. From the previews and some of the foreshadowing, I think they're about to do something which will once again have me pissed. I don't know how sketchy people are with book discussion of the show, but there are just some people who should not end up in Tar Valon, especially right now, and we already know from the previews one of them will end up there (Moiraine).

I do disagree with people who say it couldn't have been done in a more GOT style with nudity and violence, but it just isn't as dark of a story as GOT. It is more of a LOTR vibe from an overall perspective because it's just not as gritty and ruthless.

If it hasn't been covered, they only have 8 seasons planned for the series.

Interesting.  I started back up with my listening/reading Book 2.    I think it's a weird blend, and I think the violence is every bit as bad as GOT.     It has a weird feel because like you said, the overall tone is more LOTR and the writing and dialogue is more PG-13, but then you have headless corpses, people being eaten by Trollocs, dream sequences with people taking their eyes out, etc.  

The other thing that keeps hitting me is just how intricate and detailed the world and books are.   There is so much stuff I didn't pick up on during the first read through.   The writing feels "simple", but there is a ton going on with all the side characters, mysteries, prophecies, history.  It's a bit overwhelming at times.  

 

[jplvr]

Interesting.  I started back up with my listening/reading Book 2.    I think it's a weird blend, and I think the violence is every bit as bad as GOT.     It has a weird feel because like you said, the overall tone is more LOTR and the writing and dialogue is more PG-13, but then you have headless corpses, people being eaten by Trollocs, dream sequences with people taking their eyes out, etc.  

The other thing that keeps hitting me is just how intricate and detailed the world and books are.   There is so much stuff I didn't pick up on during the first read through.   The writing feels "simple", but there is a ton going on with all the side characters, mysteries, prophecies, history.  It's a bit overwhelming at times.  

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have included "violence" there with a woman getting burned at the stake and a huge, gory battle scene in the first episode. I can do without the boobs. Sure, some actresses are fine with it, but Emilia Clarke has even come out later complaining, and I can do without another Lena Headey, CGI face situation.

It is overwhelming. I have them all on Audible and listen at 1.3x. I'm also a glutton for punishment and started with New Spring every time, which was quite disjointed the first time considering it was something like his 11th book written chronologically. The first 3 books are written as a trilogy, and it branches out from there, hits the slog, and Jordan/Sanderson wrap it up well. There are big chunks of the books I can do without. DEER GOD, if you're ever going to cut anything from this series, please don't make us have to hear the word menagerie except in passing, and I don't need to ever see a certain person become Gai'shain.

My main complaints with the show will always be things which affect the story down the line. Nynaeve going nuclear this early in the show seems like one of those things right now. The Dragon Reborn ending up anywhere near the White Tower would be another one, and it's pretty dumb they're even suggesting it could be a woman. I've seen complaints from book readers about things like not going to Baerlon, and I think that's just a little too nitpicky considering a character we should have met in that town has been cast. There are other things like another missing character who Perrin was supposed to meet already, but I can forgive that since it's probably tough to cast those actors when they go missing for large chunks of the series. Maybe we'll meet him later as Perrin progresses. There's time.

 

[jplvr]

I also get the Hayden Christiansen complaints for the actor playing Rand, but it's something I hadn't picked up on myself because that's the character right now. I think he's doing well with the role so far.

For those who didn't know, the actor playing Mat quit the show and has been replaced. I think the current actor is great so far, and Mat is my favorite character in the books. The show runner says they transition has been seamless. 

 

[Sand]

Huge fan of the books. I've read them 3 times so far.

Dude.

 

[jplvr]

Dude.

Should I have led with "nerd alert"?

Once when I got into the genre.

Once on Audible when it was announced Amazon picked it up.

Considering it took so long to get the first season finished with Covid and what not, I listened again this summer/fall.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I've seen complaints from book readers about things like not going to Baerlon, and I think that's just a little too nitpicky considering a character we should have met in that town has been cast.

that was obviously a streamlining decision for the show. In the books that is also where the whitecloaks (?) were introduced- which necessitated a slightly different introduction in the show. 
 

I did see that the actress was cast and assume she will enter whenever she ran into them later in the books - I’m not there yet 

 

[Redwes25]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have included "violence" there with a woman getting burned at the stake and a huge, gory battle scene in the first episode. I can do without the boobs. Sure, some actresses are fine with it, but Emilia Clarke has even come out later complaining, and I can do without another Lena Headey, CGI face situation.

It is overwhelming. I have them all on Audible and listen at 1.3x. I'm also a glutton for punishment and started with New Spring every time, which was quite disjointed the first time considering it was something like his 11th book written chronologically. The first 3 books are written as a trilogy, and it branches out from there, hits the slog, and Jordan/Sanderson wrap it up well. There are big chunks of the books I can do without. DEER GOD, if you're ever going to cut anything from this series, please don't make us have to hear the word menagerie except in passing, and I don't need to ever see a certain person become Gai'shain.

My main complaints with the show will always be things which affect the story down the line. Nynaeve going nuclear this early in the show seems like one of those things right now. The Dragon Reborn ending up anywhere near the White Tower would be another one, and it's pretty dumb they're even suggesting it could be a woman. I've seen complaints from book readers about things like not going to Baerlon, and I think that's just a little too nitpicky considering a character we should have met in that town has been cast. There are other things like another missing character who Perrin was supposed to meet already, but I can forgive that since it's probably tough to cast those actors when they go missing for large chunks of the series. Maybe we'll meet him later as Perrin progresses. There's time.

As someone who read the books a long time ago and doesn’t remember details exactly, I think the changes I have noticed so far have been fine. We are talking about a series that is 13 books plus prequel and the books average like 800 pages a book. There is going to be massive cutting from the books if they want to handle this series in any reasonable way and we actually have Amazon fund this thing.  We aren’t getting 13 seasons and we are lucky if we get like 5 or 6 to wrap it all up in. So things like Nynaeve showing her power early are bound to happen. My guess is that each season will cover the timeline of like 3 books. 
 

I think the key is that they get the feeling of the world right and keep big picture plot points together. Of course, if they #### up Mat all things are off the table and I am going to be pissed. 

 

[The Gator]

DEER GOD, if you're ever going to cut anything from this series, please don't make us have to hear the word menagerie except in passing,

LOL

 

[The Gator]

There are other things like another missing character who Perrin was supposed to meet already,

This is probably the most egregious misstep imo...he plays a huge role in Perrin's development. 

Has be been cast? When/If Perrin and Egwene leave the Tinkers would be a decent time to introduce him.

 

[Redwes25]

This is probably the most egregious misstep imo...he plays a huge role in Perrin's development. 

Has be been cast? When/If Perrin and Egwene leave the Tinkers would be a decent time to introduce him.

I don't think we are going to see him.  

 

[jplvr]

This is probably the most egregious misstep imo...he plays a huge role in Perrin's development. 

Has be been cast? When/If Perrin and Egwene leave the Tinkers would be a decent time to introduce him.

He hasn't, and he should've been the one to introduce them to the Tinkers. I really wonder how deep they're going to go on that aspect, like "will _______ have a speaking role in dreams?" I don't know if I can answer that definitively. 

Spoiler

Do spoilers still work here?

Edit: I guess not. I was going to ask if we were going to see a certain scene with Perrin/Egwene, so I looked through one of the trailers to see that it will be included in some fashion. I won't comment on the differences since I can't spoiler it.

Heck, they haven't even cast a character who some might say is the most beautiful woman who ever lived. They're currently filming S2 with S3 green lit. I'm not sure we are even going to see that entire subset of characters. 

 

[The Gator]

Heck, they haven't even cast a character who some might say is the most beautiful woman who ever lived. They're currently filming S2 with S3 green lit. I'm not sure we are even going to see that entire subset of characters. 

I think this is her. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3761798/

 

[jplvr]

I think this is her. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3761798/

Elaida IMO.  I thought Morgase has been confirmed, but I don't see it now. Elayne has been confirmed to be in S2.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't think I posted, but I really liked the last episode too.  

The main things I don't like are 100% a "me" issue, and how the CG looks - battles and the big bad in dreams, etc. 

 

[Rand al Thor]

As you can maybe guess from my name, I've been a fan for awhile. Unfortunately, I just couldn't get through the first episode because there were too many major changes from the books and I found myself nitpicking it to my wife throughout the whole thing. She is now watching it on her own and enjoying it more without me constantly telling her how ridiculous it was for Perrin to already be married when a huge part of his character development in the books revolves around his naivety with women.  

 

[prosopis]

I finished the 4th episode and I still like it. I will say the feminist lean is a little   I hope that calms down some.

 

[Sand]

I don't think we are going to see him.  

Looks like they had to cut Elias.  A shame, but this books are so massive this is something that will happen throughout the show.  

 

[Redwes25]

As you can maybe guess from my name, I've been a fan for awhile. Unfortunately, I just couldn't get through the first episode because there were too many major changes from the books and I found myself nitpicking it to my wife throughout the whole thing. She is now watching it on her own and enjoying it more without me constantly telling her how ridiculous it was for Perrin to already be married when a huge part of his character development in the books revolves around his naivety with women.  

I would try giving it another shot.  There is no way this story can follow the books.  There is just too much in them.  I think the best we can hope for is that they capture the world correctly.  Honestly, the first episode is the worst but think the creator of the story is doing his best to put this world on screen.  No way will it be perfect. 

 

[Joe Schmo]

I finished the 4th episode and I still like it. I will say the feminist lean is a little   I hope that calms down some.

The strong female characters are integral to the story; it's intentional to the world within which the story exists.

 

[Joe Schmo]

As you can maybe guess from my name, I've been a fan for awhile. Unfortunately, I just couldn't get through the first episode because there were too many major changes from the books and I found myself nitpicking it to my wife throughout the whole thing. She is now watching it on her own and enjoying it more without me constantly telling her how ridiculous it was for Perrin to already be married when a huge part of his character development in the books revolves around his naivety with women.  

I  read half the books and am happy so far with how the show is going. There is a lot I dont know because of where I left off but for me most of the characters seem plotted pretty good including Perrin. Give the runners time to see where they take the source material. Had to be a bear of a job paring this to 8 seasons worht of show.

 

[Mjolnirs]

As you can maybe guess from my name, I've been a fan for awhile. Unfortunately, I just couldn't get through the first episode because there were too many major changes from the books and I found myself nitpicking it to my wife throughout the whole thing. She is now watching it on her own and enjoying it more without me constantly telling her how ridiculous it was for Perrin to already be married when a huge part of his character development in the books revolves around his naivety with women.  

If you expect any adaptation to live up to the books, you will never watch any.  GOT, Dune, anything that was a book first, is not the tv show/movie.  Sit back and enjoy, you can nit pick, but just know it isn't the same.

I've enjoyed it so far. Considering how long ago it has been since I read the first few books, I am remembering more as it moves forward.

I like how they showed the Cranes on Rand's dad's sword, but it was quick.

 

[jplvr]

Oh boy, Loial looks terrible. I couldn't find the jpg of the promotional material Daniel Greene had on his YT channel, but you can go look at it there if you're so inclined. I assumed it wouldn't be good considering this past week is the first time anyone has gotten a look.

On the feminism angle, one of the reasons I was excited about this coming to the screen was that it wasn't necessary to shoe horn women into men's roles, but I have had some eyeroll moments like Nynaeve murking a trolloc by herself, even wrestling with it under water when Tam needed an assist from Rand. Seemingly gay (bi) warders and the casting people have complained aren't huge surprises. Listening on Audible after the show was announced, I was already reading Perrin, Nynaeve, and Siuan as black. Lan might be the best casting of the show. Daniel Henney is nailing it.

 

[Maggot Brain]

If you expect any adaptation to live up to the books, you will never watch any.  GOT, Dune, anything that was a book first, is not the tv show/movie.  Sit back and enjoy, you can nit pick, but just know it isn't the same.

I've enjoyed it so far. Considering how long ago it has been since I read the first few books, I am remembering more as it moves forward.

I like how they showed the Cranes on Rand's dad's sword, but it was quick.

True....I learned that as I watched the Peter Jackson LOTR movies.  Constant nit picking/critiques  didn't allow me to enjoy it for several years.  When I finally was able to separate them I was able to enjoy it more.  Re - read was more enjoyable also.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Oh boy, Loial looks terrible. I couldn't find the jpg of the promotional material Daniel Greene had on his YT channel, but you can go look at it there if you're so inclined. I assumed it wouldn't be good considering this past week is the first time anyone has gotten a look.

On the feminism angle, one of the reasons I was excited about this coming to the screen was that it wasn't necessary to shoe horn women into men's roles, but I have had some eyeroll moments like Nynaeve murking a trolloc by herself, even wrestling with it under water when Tam needed an assist from Rand. Seemingly gay (bi) warders and the casting people have complained aren't huge surprises. Listening on Audible after the show was announced, I was already reading Perrin, Nynaeve, and Siuan as black. Lan might be the best casting of the show. Daniel Henney is nailing it.

Interesting.  Lan is nothing like I pictured him in my head.  

I agree about the female characters.  They are naturally strong and prevalent in the story, which I liked and found refreshing.   In the show, there seems to be a bit of a "forced" emphasis on their power, lingering shots like its a superhero movie, stuff like that.  I did wonder how that would be received, especially after discussions on these lines when it came to the Star Wars movies and Marvel movies.  

 

[Maelstrom]

I think some of the characters they are waiting to introduce in season 2 make sense. It's great foreshadowing to see someone in book 1 but a number of the individuals are just smallish parts and don't really affect the story too much. That said, I do hope that Elyas is introduced at some point, but haven't heard one way or another yet.

I'm glad they didn't go the GoT direction, but I know at least 1 person that thought it was a bit too violent (end of ep1, opening of ep2). But I didn't think that was gratuitous.

I found that I liked it more the 2nd time through as it allowed me to just watch it for the show and kinda stop comparing it to the books like the first time I watched the episodes. Lotta talk recently about budget with the show-runner basically saying their budget limited some of the locations and choices (no CGI for Loial as couldn't spend the budget for someone who could be in quite a few scenes).

Oh, and I guess I need to say nerd-alert also - I've probably read the first 9 books 7-8 times and subsequent books less with each out (re-read each time a new book came out, and probably 1 or 2 re-reads since then). Definitely just hit the high points for books 7-10 (especially 10) but still some great scenes in those ones.

 

[The Gator]

Good episode imo, slower but still covered a lot.

The dude playing Valda is killing it. Every scene he's in he's the best actor.

Padan Fain

 

[Riddick02]

Ok start so far.  Some necessary changes, some not.  It's a little above average so far.  However some things give me pause that it could go down legend of the seeker path.  Trying to progress quickly yet skipping vital things (like Min in Baerlon and her viewings) give me pause.  Elayne is not even in this season when Caemlyn is pretty important in the 1st book is hard to understand as well.  Guess we'll see.   

Also the Dragon being a man or woman narrative is completely stupid an unnecessary IMO though I get why it's done.

Cast wise -

Rand is boring and being carried by the rest of the cast, could be a big problem in the future.

Mat and Nynaeve are good.  Hope new Mat carries it over whenever that happens.   

Egwene I genuinely dislike, which probably means she's also doing well cause I can't stand her in the books either. 

Lan is also good, but bothers me how young he comes across as.  Get it's another necessary change for upcoming story lines, but still. 

Perrin I actually don't mind as much as others reviewers.  A little refinement by the actor could make his slow character expressions come off as contemplative as the books intend.  Unfortunately he's just coming off as a little simple instead so far. 

Moiraine is robotic which is comparative to the books but uninteresting to watch.  Also for one of the more secretive people in the series, she's divulging a bit much quickly. 

Thom is a major complaint so far.  He's a witty secretive performer always looking for the angles, and haven't gotten any of that so far.  Hoping it's just  the small amount of screen time here.  

Not going into the others yet since most are secondary till well down the road anyways, though liked Logain in the last episode.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Oh boy, Loial looks terrible. I couldn't find the jpg of the promotional material Daniel Greene had on his YT channel, but you can go look at it there if you're so inclined. I assumed it wouldn't be good considering this past week is the first time anyone has gotten a look.

On the feminism angle, one of the reasons I was excited about this coming to the screen was that it wasn't necessary to shoe horn women into men's roles, but I have had some eyeroll moments like Nynaeve murking a trolloc by herself, even wrestling with it under water when Tam needed an assist from Rand. Seemingly gay (bi) warders and the casting people have complained aren't huge surprises. Listening on Audible after the show was announced, I was already reading Perrin, Nynaeve, and Siuan as black. Lan might be the best casting of the show. Daniel Henney is nailing it.

Uh, yeah.   Looked like old school Beauty and the Beast TV show bad.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

Also for one of the more secretive people in the series, she's divulging a bit much quickly. 

Speaking of which, I am trying to keep up with the series, and the first book - but, man, do the characters in the book love talking to everyone, and anyone, about everything.

They live in a world, where they know nobody outside their village, they know they are in some serious ####, and can't trust anyone - yet, every time I turn around, they are telling their story to the first stranger they meet.

Do they ever get to the point where they think - maybe I should be wary of strangers?

(I am just now at the point when Perrin and Egwene are called out for lying to the wolf-talker.  SO, I suppose they at least tried ...)

 

[KarmaPolice]

Speaking of which, I am trying to keep up with the series, and the first book - but, man, do the characters in the book love talking to everyone, and anyone, about everything.

They live in a world, where they know nobody outside their village, they know they are in some serious ####, and can't trust anyone - yet, every time I turn around, they are telling their story to the first stranger they meet.

Do they ever get to the point where they think - maybe I should be wary of strangers?

(I am just now at the point when Perrin and Egwene are called out for lying to the wolf-talker.  SO, I suppose they at least tried ...)

I think some of it in the books could be attributed to their ages, lack of world experience, etc.    I get what you are saying though, they do that and other stupid #### a lot.