The worst play call in NFL history (2 Viewers)

[snogger]

Hearing Carroll's explanation...I can see what he was trying to do. If they had 2 TOs left...it would have been Lynch to close it out. With 1 TO and 3 plays to score a TD, I can see trying to catch NE in a bad matchup. However, you don't throw in the middle of the field like that. I'd be OK with a pass to end zone, fade to #13 or Luke Willson where only they could make a play on the ball.

30 seconds left, 1 timeout, ball that close to the goal line, "Beast Mode" ready to go.. Can't imagine NOT calling a run there.. If Lynch gets stopped, then call your timeout and you now have 25 seconds to run 2 pass plays..

Anyone seen any quotes from non-Seahawk coaches and or non-Seahawk ex-players/current players say they thought it was a good call just bad execution?

 

[fightingillini]

Hearing Carroll's explanation...I can see what he was trying to do. If they had 2 TOs left...it would have been Lynch to close it out. With 1 TO and 3 plays to score a TD, I can see trying to catch NE in a bad matchup. However, you don't throw in the middle of the field like that. I'd be OK with a pass to end zone, fade to #13 or Luke Willson where only they could make a play on the ball.

30 seconds left, 1 timeout, ball that close to the goal line, "Beast Mode" ready to go.. Can't imagine NOT calling a run there.. If Lynch gets stopped, then call your timeout and you now have 25 seconds to run 2 pass plays..

Anyone seen any quotes from non-Seahawk coaches and or non-Seahawk ex-players/current players say they thought it was a good call just bad execution?

You don't need to run 2 pass plays. Only if Lynch loses a yard or two on 2nd down. If it's at the 1, I am running it with Lynch 3 times, or maybe I call a Russell Wilson keeper, but whatever it is, I would never pass the ball unless I am at the 2 yard line or farther away.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think this is an equally dumb play on Wilson. Elite QBs are difference makers, that's what happened here, one was, one was not.

Because Brady would never throw an interception at the goal line. Oh wait. Nevermind.

 

[jon_mx]

Hearing Carroll's explanation...I can see what he was trying to do. If they had 2 TOs left...it would have been Lynch to close it out. With 1 TO and 3 plays to score a TD, I can see trying to catch NE in a bad matchup. However, you don't throw in the middle of the field like that. I'd be OK with a pass to end zone, fade to #13 or Luke Willson where only they could make a play on the ball.

30 seconds left, 1 timeout, ball that close to the goal line, "Beast Mode" ready to go.. Can't imagine NOT calling a run there.. If Lynch gets stopped, then call your timeout and you now have 25 seconds to run 2 pass plays..

Anyone seen any quotes from non-Seahawk coaches and or non-Seahawk ex-players/current players say they thought it was a good call just bad execution?

You don't need to run 2 pass plays. Only if Lynch loses a yard or two on 2nd down. If it's at the 1, I am running it with Lynch 3 times, or maybe I call a Russell Wilson keeper, but whatever it is, I would never pass the ball unless I am at the 2 yard line or farther away.

I think he wanted a play that would stop the clock so they could set up for two run plays and not be rushed. Not having that second timeout made the thinking different.

 

[lod01]

It doesn't matter that they were spread out 3 wide. Wilson can run with it too. Seems the coaching staff forgot what happened just 2 weeks ago. See the GB game where he walked in for the score. Carroll has nothing but stupid flowing out of his mouth.

6:23 mark.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000460343/NFC-Championship-Packers-vs-Seahawks-highlights

 

[DoubleG]

Who ever actually made that call (forget who is defending the call) - should have been fired by the time the post game presser started. Just sayin'

 

[Chickenwang]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

Please. They were both going for the ball.

 

[Sabertooth]

ALthough I will say that the DB wanted that ball a lot more.

 

[Sabertooth]

It doesn't matter that they were spread out 3 wide. Wilson can run with it too. Seems the coaching staff forgot what happened just 2 weeks ago. See the GB game where he walked in for the score. Carroll has nothing but stupid flowing out of his mouth.

6:23 mark.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000460343/NFC-Championship-Packers-vs-Seahawks-highlights

Carroll is just covering his boy Bevell's ### because he's untouchable and Darrell isn't. Just falling on the sword for a comrade.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

Dude unless it's a blatantly obvious PI refs aren't calling that with SB on the line. I don't even care if the DB gets there a split second before.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The first down play was run at 1:06, the 2nd down play was run at :26.

Time was only a factor because the Seahawks made it one. So you can't come out later and say, "we had to pass because we couldn't get three plays off any other way."

They could have run the 2nd down play with 40-45 seconds left and not even had to hurry too much. And snapped the ball on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left -- again fairly comfortably.

Call timeout after the play and run 4th down.

 

[renesauz]

Calling a pass play was dumb enough, but calling it FROM SHOTGUN was unforgivable.

A Play action pass looking for a TE in the flat would have been a reasonable call there on second down, but a slant from shotgun???? Unbelievably stupid call.

 

[renesauz]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

Dude unless it's a blatantly obvious PI refs aren't calling that with SB on the line. I don't even care if the DB gets there a split second before.

DB was playing the ball, wasn't even looking at the WR....there was no PI there.

 

[cowboyz1]

The Wrongest Yard

Not mine but good non the less.

 

[sdp1226]

That call stunk worse than my poop this morning. I blame the black bean chili dip. What's your excuse Seattle?

 

[The General]

The Wrongest Yard

Not mine but good non the less.

Asian Tribune?

 

[Manster]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

Um, wrong. Butler had position. Played the ball. That's NOT P.I...............I hope your on a fishing trip, and don't truly believe what you typed.

 

[cstu]

Without question that was the worst call in history.

 

[cstu]

The Seahawks had time for three straight runs. Unbelievable.

 

[snogger]

Awful. Bad call, but Lockette did an awful job of going after the football. Proves to me that this is all fixed. Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

 

[jon_mx]

The first down play was run at 1:06, the 2nd down play was run at :26.

Time was only a factor because the Seahawks made it one. So you can't come out later and say, "we had to pass because we couldn't get three plays off any other way."

They could have run the 2nd down play with 40-45 seconds left and not even had to hurry too much. And snapped the ball on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left -- again fairly comfortably.

Call timeout after the play and run 4th down.

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

 

[Short Corner]

Should have been pass interference too as the DB bumped into the receiver before he touched the ball.

smh

 

[GoBirds]

The General, on 02 Feb 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

cowboyz1, on 02 Feb 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:The Wrongest Yard

Not mine but good non the less.

Asian Tribune?

 

[Short Corner]

Calling a pass play was dumb enough, but calling it FROM SHOTGUN was unforgivable.

A Play action pass looking for a TE in the flat would have been a reasonable call there on second down, but a slant from shotgun???? Unbelievably stupid call.

Seattle wasn't fooling anyone with that formation. They never run out of the SG.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

When Butler lined up with inside leverage there should have been a read for both Wilson and the W.R. to break the play to a fade in th e right corner, or a dart to the front pylon. I prefer the fade there because Wilson could roll right putting pressure on the D.b. and the pylon throw is one that is occasionally picked for a T.D. the other way.

As cool a head as Wilson exhibits I was surprised he did not audible upon seeing the defensive alignment.

Nice aggressive play by Butler. Also, butler seems like a humble kid. I'm happy for him.

 

[humpback]

The first down play was run at 1:06, the 2nd down play was run at :26.

Time was only a factor because the Seahawks made it one. So you can't come out later and say, "we had to pass because we couldn't get three plays off any other way."

They could have run the 2nd down play with 40-45 seconds left and not even had to hurry too much. And snapped the ball on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left -- again fairly comfortably.

Call timeout after the play and run 4th down.

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

Scoring with 45 seconds left>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>throwing an INT to lose the game.

Seattle has the best D in the league. The odds of them stopping NE from scoring with ~40 seconds to go (and that's only if they hurried up and scored on the very next play) are pretty good.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I understand the tendency to worry about scoring with too much time left on the clock. That said, one thing at a time, worry about scoring. Managing the time carefully but not scoring accomplishes nothing.

 

[ghostguy123]

Horrific play call.

Very dumb

Not only because they passed, but because they passed right into the teeth of a goaline defense.

It was very, very, very dumb.

If you are going to pass there with three WRs against a goaline D, at least you have to throw a fade, out, rollout, or something that isn't right into the middle of the D like that.

It isn't dumb just because it didnt work. It was just plain dumb.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

How does scoring with 45 seconds compare to being forced to run a sub-optimal play and having it intercepted because you were too worried about the clock?

No way around it. Running the clock for 40 seconds and putting yourself in a box where you didn't want to run your best play is a terrible call.

 

[ghostguy123]

Calling a pass play was dumb enough, but calling it FROM SHOTGUN was unforgivable.

A Play action pass looking for a TE in the flat would have been a reasonable call there on second down, but a slant from shotgun???? Unbelievably stupid call.

Seattle wasn't fooling anyone with that formation. They never run out of the SG.

Going to assume this is sarcasm.

If so, I have bit of my own. Yeah, great move to make the D think you are going to run, have them crowd the line with all their LBs, and then throw a quick slant right into all of them. Brilliant.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

How does scoring with 45 seconds compare to being forced to run a sub-optimal play and having it intercepted because you were too worried about the clock?

No way around it. Running the clock for 40 seconds and putting yourself in a box where you didn't want to run your best play is a terrible call.

I don't think there was anything wrong with the clock management at all. They had plenty of time to run any three plays they wanted, even possibly three runs.

However, the 2nd down play was just.......wow.

I actually think a pass there on 2nd down would have been a good call, then come with a run on 3rd and if you dont get it call TO, and then run whatever you want on 4th.

Problem is, THAT pass play given all the variables was just insane. Cant even believe Wilson threw it.

 

[Todem]

This issue started with the Seahawks getting too cute with the clock. You are down 4 points. You certainly don't need to rush after the first down run but you also shouldn't run the clock all the way down because with only one timeout left it limits your options a bit on a potential 3rd or 4th down and you have to remember you are still down by 4. If you are down by 3 and a field goal ties it, then letting the clock run down more makes more sense.

Pretty simple what you do. You keep your big formation in there, which was in there on 1st down. With about 39 seconds left you run the second down play with Lynch. If you get stuffed on the second down, you quickly get everyone back in formation and run another run play with Lynch or Wilson with like 20 seconds left. If you get stuffed again then you immediately call your last Timeout and you run the 4th down play which could be anything.

Under this scenario, if you score on 2nd down you are now up 3 with like 35 seconds left. You do kick deep and the Pats get the ball at about their own 20 with about 35 seconds left and 2 TO's. Could Brady drive down the field and tie it? Possibly, but worst case you are going to overtime.

I really believe the Seahawks put their 3 WR set out there on second down thinking the Pats would see that and immediately call a Timeout. They didn't and Seattle didn't really know what to do with the play. So they kept letting the clock run and went with the pass.

Letting the clock run makes perfect sense. Giving NE the ball with 45 seconds and only needing a FG to tie is about a 50-50 possibility of OT. Shoot, Seattle managed to get a TD in less time at the end of the 1st half. Ideally Seattle would have scored with under 15 seconds left on the clock, which would have meant waiting until 3rd down to score. So how do you do that? You run a play on 2nd down with about 40 seconds left, a play not intending to score like a QB sneak but intentionally stopping just short of the goal line. Then let the clock run down to about 15-20 seconds, handing the ball to Lynch. If he doesn't score, burn you last time out and run your last play, probably another run by Lynch. Even if Seattle would have converted that TD instead of throwing an INT, it would have given about 30 seconds and Brady a shot at tying the game.

Running a play with the intention to get stopped!!!!! Are you mad. This is the Super bowl. You run every play down there with intention to score and let the chips fall where they fall with your vaunted defense.Talk about horrendous strategy....my god Jon WTF are you talking about?

You play the odds. It is called clock management. There is such a thing as scoring too soon and unnecessarily giving the opponents a chance to tie or win.

With under 1 minute left in the title game...The Super Bowl. You don't get cute, you score. We were not under 2 minutes. We were under 1 minute with New England only having one timeout left as well (I believe). The odds say if Seattle scores and leave 35-40 ticks on the clock with there defense they probably win the game.

 

[Todem]

This issue started with the Seahawks getting too cute with the clock. You are down 4 points. You certainly don't need to rush after the first down run but you also shouldn't run the clock all the way down because with only one timeout left it limits your options a bit on a potential 3rd or 4th down and you have to remember you are still down by 4. If you are down by 3 and a field goal ties it, then letting the clock run down more makes more sense.

Pretty simple what you do. You keep your big formation in there, which was in there on 1st down. With about 39 seconds left you run the second down play with Lynch. If you get stuffed on the second down, you quickly get everyone back in formation and run another run play with Lynch or Wilson with like 20 seconds left. If you get stuffed again then you immediately call your last Timeout and you run the 4th down play which could be anything.

Under this scenario, if you score on 2nd down you are now up 3 with like 35 seconds left. You do kick deep and the Pats get the ball at about their own 20 with about 35 seconds left and 2 TO's. Could Brady drive down the field and tie it? Possibly, but worst case you are going to overtime.

I really believe the Seahawks put their 3 WR set out there on second down thinking the Pats would see that and immediately call a Timeout. They didn't and Seattle didn't really know what to do with the play. So they kept letting the clock run and went with the pass.

Letting the clock run makes perfect sense. Giving NE the ball with 45 seconds and only needing a FG to tie is about a 50-50 possibility of OT. Shoot, Seattle managed to get a TD in less time at the end of the 1st half. Ideally Seattle would have scored with under 15 seconds left on the clock, which would have meant waiting until 3rd down to score. So how do you do that? You run a play on 2nd down with about 40 seconds left, a play not intending to score like a QB sneak but intentionally stopping just short of the goal line. Then let the clock run down to about 15-20 seconds, handing the ball to Lynch. If he doesn't score, burn you last time out and run your last play, probably another run by Lynch. Even if Seattle would have converted that TD instead of throwing an INT, it would have given about 30 seconds and Brady a shot at tying the game.

Running a play with the intention to get stopped!!!!! Are you mad. This is the Super bowl. You run every play down there with intention to score and let the chips fall where they fall with your vaunted defense.Talk about horrendous strategy....my god Jon WTF are you talking about?

You play the odds. It is called clock management. There is such a thing as scoring too soon and unnecessarily giving the opponents a chance to tie or win.

Completely disagree. In that situation, number one priority is to get the TD. If you give away a down like you're suggesting, a lot of things could go wrong on 3rd down (e.g false start penalty, sack, lynch stuffed for a loss, etc.).

I guess the play ended with about 20 seconds left, so that was probably a reasonable time to score. But there is a huge difference between given 30 seconds and 20 seconds, and you don't want to give 30 seconds. I would rather waste a down and take my chances.

You think it's worth trading 10 seconds for an opportunity to score a go-ahead touchdown? I think that's insane.

My exact point. In the Super Bowl under a minute left....no wasted plays. Every play is with intention to score in that situation....all day, every day. No question.

 

[Todem]

As far as the play call....it was awful. If your going to pass..run that fade route with Matthews who had a clear height advantage. If it's not there you can throw the ball away over his head and live for another 2 downs.

The decision to pass was not horrible considering the match-up at the precise moment. The pass play call was horrendous. Lot's of bad things can happen on a slant (in) on the goal line with everyone in a tight window. The pass had to be perfect. It was not a perfect pass and couple that with a great play by the undrafted rookie (love stories like this) and here we are.

But running Marshawn was going to happen on 3rd down. No doubt about it. But they did not make it to third down. And in this day and age of Twitter and Facebook every single person loves to hyperboyle post how bad this was blah blah blah.

Wilson completes the pass and everyone talks about how smart it was because New England was expecting a run.

No win situation for Seattle and their coaching staff with a turnover.

 

[jon_mx]

The first down play was run at 1:06, the 2nd down play was run at :26.

Time was only a factor because the Seahawks made it one. So you can't come out later and say, "we had to pass because we couldn't get three plays off any other way."

They could have run the 2nd down play with 40-45 seconds left and not even had to hurry too much. And snapped the ball on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left -- again fairly comfortably.

Call timeout after the play and run 4th down.

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

Scoring with 45 seconds left>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>throwing an INT to lose the game.

Seattle has the best D in the league. The odds of them stopping NE from scoring with ~40 seconds to go (and that's only if they hurried up and scored on the very next play) are pretty good.

Is that the same defense which just blew a 10 point lead or did they go out and get another one?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Pete Carroll out-strategized himself.

 

[dhockster]

Anyone buy into the theory that Bevell thinks Wilson doesn't get enough credit so he wanted to run a play where he could get the game winning TD pass to help him get as much positive press as possible?

I definitely think that could have factored into his playcalling.

 

[jon_mx]

This issue started with the Seahawks getting too cute with the clock. You are down 4 points. You certainly don't need to rush after the first down run but you also shouldn't run the clock all the way down because with only one timeout left it limits your options a bit on a potential 3rd or 4th down and you have to remember you are still down by 4. If you are down by 3 and a field goal ties it, then letting the clock run down more makes more sense.

Pretty simple what you do. You keep your big formation in there, which was in there on 1st down. With about 39 seconds left you run the second down play with Lynch. If you get stuffed on the second down, you quickly get everyone back in formation and run another run play with Lynch or Wilson with like 20 seconds left. If you get stuffed again then you immediately call your last Timeout and you run the 4th down play which could be anything.

Under this scenario, if you score on 2nd down you are now up 3 with like 35 seconds left. You do kick deep and the Pats get the ball at about their own 20 with about 35 seconds left and 2 TO's. Could Brady drive down the field and tie it? Possibly, but worst case you are going to overtime.

I really believe the Seahawks put their 3 WR set out there on second down thinking the Pats would see that and immediately call a Timeout. They didn't and Seattle didn't really know what to do with the play. So they kept letting the clock run and went with the pass.

Letting the clock run makes perfect sense. Giving NE the ball with 45 seconds and only needing a FG to tie is about a 50-50 possibility of OT. Shoot, Seattle managed to get a TD in less time at the end of the 1st half. Ideally Seattle would have scored with under 15 seconds left on the clock, which would have meant waiting until 3rd down to score. So how do you do that? You run a play on 2nd down with about 40 seconds left, a play not intending to score like a QB sneak but intentionally stopping just short of the goal line. Then let the clock run down to about 15-20 seconds, handing the ball to Lynch. If he doesn't score, burn you last time out and run your last play, probably another run by Lynch. Even if Seattle would have converted that TD instead of throwing an INT, it would have given about 30 seconds and Brady a shot at tying the game.

Running a play with the intention to get stopped!!!!! Are you mad. This is the Super bowl. You run every play down there with intention to score and let the chips fall where they fall with your vaunted defense.Talk about horrendous strategy....my god Jon WTF are you talking about?

You play the odds. It is called clock management. There is such a thing as scoring too soon and unnecessarily giving the opponents a chance to tie or win.

With under 1 minute left in the title game...The Super Bowl. You don't get cute you score. We were not under 2 minutes. We were under 1 minute with New England only having one timeout left as well (I believe). The odds say if Seattle scores and leave 35-40 ticks on the clock with there defense they probably win the game.

The probability of winning giving New England close to a minute is around 75-80%. The probability of winning giving New England less than 20% is around 98%. I would rather get it to the 98% level.

 

[Touchdown There]

Bevell said when the Pats left their GL defense in when the Seahawks went 3 wide it was a pass all the way. The question is why did the Seahawks go 3 wide in the first place.

The bolded is what I heard on NFL radio on the drive into work. The call was made because of the 3-wide personnel, which I believe was the personnel on the field from the previous play. It is hard to substitute when the clock is running out. I don't think a pass there (if it is a fade to the corner) is a bad call. If it goes incomplete the clock stops which gives the Seahawks a timeout if they are stopped on a 3rd down run play.

With that said, everyone thought it was going to be a run. Everyone in this thread, the stands, in the media, the opposing coaches, everyone. It was logical to hammer it in. Before the play was run, I actually told everyone that they are going to hammer it in with Lynch and the Patriots should be in an all out blitz. I was expecting some crotch grabbing and Skittles eating.

Kudos to the db for making a fantastic gut instinct play.

 

[T with T]

Given the stakes, Seattle's decision to pass instead of run from NF's one yard line has to be the worst play call in NFL history right?

Lynch has to touch the ball there.

3x on 2nd 3rd and 4th.......... that was complete idiocracy...

 

[fred_1_15301]

Anyone buy into the theory that Bevell thinks Wilson doesn't get enough credit so he wanted to run a play where he could get the game winning TD pass to help him get as much positive press as possible?

I definitely think that could have factored into his playcalling.

If this was in fact his motivation behind that play call, then I think he should be fired immediately. If Seattle won that game last night, Wilson would be getting plenty of credit. I imagine comparisons to Brady would be thrown around by the media.

 

[humpback]

The first down play was run at 1:06, the 2nd down play was run at :26.

Time was only a factor because the Seahawks made it one. So you can't come out later and say, "we had to pass because we couldn't get three plays off any other way."

They could have run the 2nd down play with 40-45 seconds left and not even had to hurry too much. And snapped the ball on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left -- again fairly comfortably.

Call timeout after the play and run 4th down.

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

Scoring with 45 seconds left>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>throwing an INT to lose the game.

Seattle has the best D in the league. The odds of them stopping NE from scoring with ~40 seconds to go (and that's only if they hurried up and scored on the very next play) are pretty good.

Is that the same defense which just blew a 10 point lead or did they go out and get another one?

Yep, that's the one. You know, the very best in the NFL. You're probably right, they could have just dinked and dunked all the way down the field (like they had all game) with 40 seconds left. No way would Brady have thrown a 3rd pick either.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

As far as the play call....it was awful. If your going to pass..run that fade route with Matthews who had a clear height advantage. If it's not there you can throw the ball away over his head and live for another 2 downs.

The decision to pass was not horrible considering the match-up at the precise moment. The pass play call was horrendous. Lot's of bad things can happen on a slant (in) on the goal line with everyone in a tight window. The pass had to be perfect. It was not a perfect pass and couple that with a great play by the undrafted rookie (love stories like this) and here we are.

But running Marshawn was going to happen on 3rd down. No doubt about it. But they did not make it to third down. And in this day and age of Twitter and Facebook every single person loves to hyperboyle post how bad this was blah blah blah.

Wilson completes the pass and everyone talks about how smart it was because New England was expecting a run.

No win situation for Seattle and their coaching staff with a turnover.

I found it interesting when Collinsworth said Matthews was not a feature of their two-minute drill due to his non-involvement all year long.

 

[JohnnyU]

The worst part about the play was throwing in the middle of the defense where so many defenders were. Even if the DB didn't make a great play on the ball, it is an area where deflections are common and bad things happen frequently from deflections. Now this wasn't a case of a deflection, but it presents enough risk to go with a different play.

 

[humpback]

The probability of winning giving New England close to a minute is around 75-80%. The probability of winning giving New England less than 20% is around 98%. I would rather get it to the 98% level.

Even using your made up numbers, the risk/reward is awful.

 

[davearm]

I think Carroll handled the clock wisely. Scoring with 25 seconds left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scoring with 45 seconds left. Carroll ran the plays so he could assure he could get three plays off while making it nearly impossible for NE to have a chance to tie. He had to either pass or run out of bounds on 2nd or 3rd down to get 3 plays in with only one time out. It was completely the wrong pass play to call though.

Well scoring with 0 seconds left would be best of all. Problem is, scoring wasn't a guarantee.

Let me ask you this. If we were to go to one of those real-time win predictors, which scenario do you think would have the highest win probability for the Seahawks:

Ahead 3 points with 45 seconds left, and kicking off.

Behind 4 points with 25 seconds left, 3rd and Goal from the 1.

If you think the odds are greater in the second scenario, you're wrong. And kinda nuts.

 

[RUSF18]

As far as the play call....it was awful. If your going to pass..run that fade route with Matthews who had a clear height advantage. If it's not there you can throw the ball away over his head and live for another 2 downs.

The decision to pass was not horrible considering the match-up at the precise moment. The pass play call was horrendous. Lot's of bad things can happen on a slant (in) on the goal line with everyone in a tight window. The pass had to be perfect. It was not a perfect pass and couple that with a great play by the undrafted rookie (love stories like this) and here we are.

But running Marshawn was going to happen on 3rd down. No doubt about it. But they did not make it to third down. And in this day and age of Twitter and Facebook every single person loves to hyperboyle post how bad this was blah blah blah.

Wilson completes the pass and everyone talks about how smart it was because New England was expecting a run.

No win situation for Seattle and their coaching staff with a turnover.

I found it interesting when Collinsworth said Matthews was not a feature of their two-minute drill due to his non-involvement all year long.

His lack of prep didn't seem to hurt at the end of the first half.

 

[cstu]

The worst part about the play was throwing in the middle of the defense where so many defenders were. Even if the DB didn't make a great play on the ball, it is an area where deflections are common and bad things happen frequently from deflections. Now this wasn't a case of a deflection, but it presents enough risk to go with a different play.

My thoughts exactly. If they wanted to throw it they should have rolled Wilson out (no one was touching him the entire game) and let him find an open man.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

As far as the play call....it was awful. If your going to pass..run that fade route with Matthews who had a clear height advantage. If it's not there you can throw the ball away over his head and live for another 2 downs.

The decision to pass was not horrible considering the match-up at the precise moment. The pass play call was horrendous. Lot's of bad things can happen on a slant (in) on the goal line with everyone in a tight window. The pass had to be perfect. It was not a perfect pass and couple that with a great play by the undrafted rookie (love stories like this) and here we are.

But running Marshawn was going to happen on 3rd down. No doubt about it. But they did not make it to third down. And in this day and age of Twitter and Facebook every single person loves to hyperboyle post how bad this was blah blah blah.

Wilson completes the pass and everyone talks about how smart it was because New England was expecting a run.

No win situation for Seattle and their coaching staff with a turnover.

I found it interesting when Collinsworth said Matthews was not a feature of their two-minute drill due to his non-involvement all year long.

His lack of prep didn't seem to hurt at the end of the first half.

Oh, I agree...