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[GordonGekko]

This places owes you nothing.

Here's something for some of you to chew on, not everyone, but far too many of you. The Shark Pool has legitimate marketing value for FBG as a business and a brand. FBG is a business first and foremost. Many of you seem to forget that. If some of you, not all but again far too many, want to keep up the kind of crap that happened in the PSF, the endless personal attacks, trolling, thread hijacking and on and on and on, what's stopping @Joe Bryant from one day killing off the FFA as well?

Some of you act like you are entitled to the FFA always being here and it's obligated to operate and have the content just as you want it. Seriously, some of you, and again not all but it's still way too many, it's time to grow up. Basic rule of life - If you keep showing that you can't play nice with your toys, someone is going to take those toys from you.

Excellent marketing there.

Do the math.

Anyone who is unhappy about the content in the FFA, then go and start 3 new top level thread topics revolving around the kind of discussion you want to see instead. With some moderate investment in the thread. Not just some guy randomly started a thread while he's drunk.

If 20 people do that, that's 60 new topics. Now odds are that many of those will fall to the wayside. Maybe it's stuff people don't want to talk about. But let's say 1 out of every 6 gains some traction. That's 10 new topics on the front page, that could be generating thoughtful and interesting discussion.

In the past 2 and a half years, I've started a decent number of top level thread topics. Some people want to discuss. Some not so much. And that's OK too. The ones people want to talk about can't exist without some ones that people would prefer to move past. Some of you want to complain about the "content". Then go generate content. Go generate it at the practical rate where only some of it breaks through.

Like I said. I don't ask people to do things I don't do myself here.

And there is absolutely no guarantee anything will be here tomorrow. Living, your career, your family, your health, the FFA, anything. So if you want something better, do something about it today.

 

[rockaction]

NOT DEAD YET!

 

[Northern Voice]

The fun posters left. You can say it's age, kids, moderation, etc. But the migration started 10 years ago. People got into Twitter and other ways to communicate.

Myself? I check in a few times a week. I'm on the wagon so things are different for me. I'd like to think I was a fun poster. But I actually work a blue collar job unlike the main demo. So I can't draft. I can't comment on most tv/movies because I'm a month late. I can't lead the drunk thread. I can just check in when I can.

Moderation has nothing to do with the FFA going south. It's the people.

I mostly agree with this. Many of the core group that made the FFA great have left/post way less often. Whether that's because of moderation or just natural evolution of Internet discussion, I can't say. Everything is taken so seriously in here these days. Again, whether that's because of moderation or just the evolution of how internet discussions take place now, I can't say.

Comments meant in jest now either get someone pissed or get someone banned. I'm guilty of it too, to be sure.

If you want to see more of a certain kind of content in the FFA or any of the FBG forums, what's stopping you from starting some new top level thread topics more in the vein of things that would interest you to discuss?

Don't ask for value outright. Don't complain about the value you aren't getting. Don't feel entitled for others here to entertain you for the raw sake of purely amusing you. Consistently present "value" as your normal way of operating, and you'll usually find that return value will come back you ten fold. In all aspects of your life.

If you see something, and you don't like it, then go and do something about it.

I'm not trying to pick on you here, but you have over 24 thousand posts. There are people here with 50+ thousand posts. There's one guy, if I add up his aliases, that probably hovers around a quarter of a million posts. Recently I just had someone with 56K posts try to criticize me, and my paltry 4K+ posts, for being on the forums too often. How much time do you have to spend over how many years to rack up 56 thousand plus posts? How about he spends less time trying to silence me and spend more time starting threads talking about things he finds interesting instead?

How about using some of those posts of yours to start threads you would enjoy and create the kind of discussion you'd like to see?

And that's not Old Man Gekko running a purity test on you. I practice what I preach here. Some people might not like the topics I start, the opinions I have or the viewpoints I hold, but no one can accuse me of waiting for someone else to generate the kind of discussion I'd like to see myself. No one can accuse me of being lazy and cheap in my posts. If you want a certain pace, then set it before asking anyone else to do it. Be the tide that comes in and lifts all boats.

This places owes you nothing.

Here's something for some of you to chew on, not everyone, but far too many of you. The Shark Pool has legitimate marketing value for FBG as a business and a brand. FBG is a business first and foremost. Many of you seem to forget that. If some of you, not all but again far too many, want to keep up the kind of crap that happened in the PSF, the endless personal attacks, trolling, thread hijacking and on and on and on, what's stopping @Joe Bryant from one day killing off the FFA as well?

Some of you act like you are entitled to the FFA always being here and it's obligated to operate and have the content just as you want it. Seriously, some of you, and again not all but it's still way too many, it's time to grow up. Basic rule of life - If you keep showing that you can't play nice with your toys, someone is going to take those toys from you.

1. That post you quoted is over a year old.

2. Most of my posts are from much older than that because I don't really care to spend time on these boards anymore.

3. Your posts are part of the reason for #2. Like honestly, what the hell even is this post? And don't bother responding, I'm blocking you now.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It just so happens that it's only MOSTLY dead.

Sorry to hear you think that. The FFA is definitely older and less active than it once was. And I fully admit I may be way too optimistic/naive. But I see it as far from "MOSTLY" dead.

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Inconceivable.

 

[Battersbox]

It just so happens that it's only MOSTLY dead.

Sorry to hear you think that. The FFA is definitely older and less active than it once was. And I fully admit I may be way too optimistic/naive. But I see it as far from "MOSTLY" dead.

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Inconceivable.

Mostly dead is slightly alive.

 

[GordonGekko]

1. That post you quoted is over a year old.

2. Most of my posts are from much older than that because I don't really care to spend time on these boards anymore.

3. Your posts are part of the reason for #2. Like honestly, what the hell even is this post? And don't bother responding, I'm blocking you now.

Try it.

Within the next week, start three new top level thread topics about things you find interesting and want to discuss. The kind of posts that you would like to see more of in the FFA.

Do that much, and I'll help to support those threads.

You say you don't care about these boards, but you've got 24 thousand plus posts here. You cared enough to complain about what no one else was giving you to entertain you. And you cared enough to show back up right now to say you don't care.

"I don't really care"

Nothing in your actions lines up to that. That would be true whether I'm interacting with you or not.

Are you saying you care just enough to spend 24 thousand posts to say you actually don't care?

What is this post? How about redirecting your "care" into starting some new thread topics. That would do more to help the FFA become more towards your vision of it compared to just complaining about other people not doing enough to amuse you. And that's not just you here. Lots of people are doing that.

Like I said. Start three new thread topics. And I'll heavily support them.

 

[massraider]

Super cool someone wants to defend the honor of the fair maiden that is the FFA, but really I think the FFA reminds everyone they are getting older, and maybe aren't as interesting as they used to be. It's really more of a mirror

 

[Desert_Power]

Excellent marketing there.

You're responding to a poster who had a (apparently) successful strategy of advocating mass reporting until he got the PSF shut down. It seems abusive posts from him are allowed. Not really a mystery why these boards have less traffic.

 

[General Malaise]

We sure the new alias GG isn't Dodds? I ignored GG years ago, up there with DJ10 for glib noise with zero redeeming value.

 

[GordonGekko]

Super cool someone wants to defend the honor of the fair maiden that is the FFA, but really I think the FFA reminds everyone they are getting older, and maybe aren't as interesting as they used to be. It's really more of a mirror

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/ffa-in-death-spiral.742419/post-20101824

bostonfred May 9, 2017

Lurker - doesn't create new threads, but reads them and sometimes replies. Doesn't get @ or replied to very often so when they do they see a notification and tend to reply to the reply. That's how you get long arguments between posters who usually don't interact. Also very conducive to political threads. May become part of a smaller community/mega thread like the running thread (i ran today. Great job! Thanks! You're welcome!) or gambling thread (I bet 2 units on the giant bears! Why? Because they are like normal bears but bigger. I also like giant bears I will bet on them too! Hey we won great call)

Repliers - should be the majority of the post volume in a healthy board. These are the guys who skim the front page and find lots of threads to reply to. They might just post pithy one liners like @Leroy Hoard or tell stories like @wikkidpissah or have a specific shtick everyone likes like @SWC These are the most important guys because the vetting process for threads is replies, and they are the ones who keep the best content moving to the top.

Board "celebrities" - not totally critical to the success of the board, but close. These are the long term posters who almost everyone likes. If you see a thread started by @General Malaise or @shuke you check it out. If you see that @fatguyinalittlecoat or @krista4 was the last person to reply in a thread you check it out. If it's @Frostillicus you might pass, because #### that guy. But you get the idea

Board "villains" - you can't have a good hero without a good villain. The guys like bgp and lhucks are gone. @Woz used to revel in the role but he grew up and has turned into a good person which is frankly really upsetting. These aren't actually bad people - they're just the guys who post a lot and have a lightning rod persona for certain types of issues. Someone might be a celebrity in one kind of thread and a villain in another. Think scupper, zippy, etc.

Thread creators - the guys who create the threads that keep the board active. Lurkers sometimes make the leap right to thread starter and tend to get a lot of grief for it. Usually the thread repliers and board celebrities do the majority of this, and the thread villains do enough to keep the place interesting.

There are also a handful of topics we all seem to like here. Politics. Sports and gambling. News and current events. Science. Pretty girls. Funny stories. Funny threads. "Smart" threads like the old monks and dots riddle thread that stayed on the front page for weeks. Music threads. Activity threads like running or weight loss. Draft threads. Entertainment threads about tv shows, movies, etc

So, let's start with politics. Do we have thread creators? Yes. Do we have lurkers? Repliers? Heroes and villains? Yes, yes, yes. We seem to be covered.

Is the board conducive to politics lurkers and thread repliers? Yes, the board really caters to them. The threads get bumped to the top a lot, when people reply and get quoted they see a little red notification, when they get likes and quotes they get instant gratification from that little red number.

How about funny thread creators? We don't do a good job with that at all. You put effort into creating a thread, and the mega threads bump it off the first page. The like system has replaced quoting people with lols and lmaos, so the threads get a few likes and fall off. You have to bump your own thread if you want it to get views or let it die because nobody saw it.

The board really doesn't reward the guys who create good new threads at all, but it rewards the #### out of people who say over the top things in the politics threads. The front page isn't long enough to have all these mega threads and still have new content.

Three thing that keeps reddit vibrant is that the front page r/all shows the most popular and viral topics, but the different sub forums have enough room on their front pages for topics to get views and generate interest. Maybe that's what's needed here. If that can't or won't happen then a separate forum for politics - or for all the mega threads - would be nice. There are real problems and it seems like no real solutions are even being considered, so the board will die slowly instead of taking some risks and seeing if it can bounce back.

Here is what @bostonfred had to say about all this in 2017.

Is he right?

What do I see from my viewpoint? Back in the day, long ago, I used to talk on the phone with Girl A. She told me, from her experience, that there were "cliques" from the FFA. People who interacted socially through messenger or email or cell phones or whatever. And she mentioned it was like "going back to high school"

So my take has always been the same over the years. There are a few "cliques" that spawned from these forums. They see the FFA or the forums here as their personal "clubhouse". They refuse to accept that the forums here are an extension of an actual business and brand. They feel entitled for this "clubhouse" to be the way they want. And they enforce it by swarming anyone or anything they don't like. Like Girl A said "going back to high school"

I can't speak for anyone else here but I don't take the FBG forums for granted. I don't feel entitled to have other people entertain me. I would like some basic civility. And let's be honest, basic civility can be glaringly lacking in many spots by many of the same people.

Some people here take it for granted though. They use what they don't like as an excuse to be childish. They don't realize the same toxic petty crap done to kill the PSF is the same toxic petty crap that could risk killing off the FFA.

Many of the "clique" people have tens upon tens of thousands of posts here. Add in their aliases and who knows how many posts they have. Some have been here for close to two decades. And they say bizarre crap like "I don't care" If they don't care, why are they still here? Crazy idea, if you've been here 15-20 years and have tens upon tens of thousands of posts already and are still here today, you are invested. That's "actual investment" So how about "investing" in something as simple as starting some new thread topics and facilitating some discussion in the manner and tone of how you'd like the FFA to be in an ideal sense?

I don't take for granted that FFA will survive as a business year after year. For the sake of people who work here and for the sake of their kids, I hope it's a long term / near forever kind of success. But maybe one day it won't. And when it goes, the forums go too. I don't take for granted that @David Dodds and @Joe Bryant will want to keep the FFA running year after year. But for some of you , not all, but still too many, if you think this "clubhouse" is all yours without any measure of civility, then keep it up. Keep up the crap and see if you keep testing it long enough to ensure the FFA dies too.

You want better content? Create better content yourself. Share it with everyone. Set the example in full public view of how to create better content.

I challenge each and every last single person here who wants to complain about what they aren't getting to entertain them - Go out and start some thread topics and content that reflect your actual investment.

 

[shuke]

Recently I just had someone with 56K posts try to criticize me, and my paltry 4K+ posts, for being on the forums too often. How much time do you have to spend over how many years to rack up 56 thousand plus posts? How about he spends less time trying to silence me and spend more time starting threads talking about things he finds interesting instead?

Dude, I wasn't trying to silence you. I was simply making a joke that you needed to get out more after stating the 19 year old actress looks like she's 10. And I've started plenty of threads here over the years. I've never complained about yours.

Sorry it that wasn't clear. Next time I'll make the post 10 times longer than it needs, to be, and add some bold and italics.

 

[MAC_32]

Excellent marketing there.

You're responding to a poster who had a (apparently) successful strategy of advocating mass reporting until he got the PSF shut down. It seems abusive posts from him are allowed. Not really a mystery why these boards have less traffic.

What a snowflake.

 

[bigbottom]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

 

[Ghost Rider]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

Has it? It used to be that the NHL thread moved pretty fast. We are five months into the season now, and that thread is merely at 8 pages. Feels like it would have reached 8 pages by Thanksgiving years ago. I think the combination of many posters leaving, a lack of new posters, and certain changes here have all contributed to less traffic and interest. Many posters who often had great stories and anecdotes were driven away because their stories might not go over well with the Sunday church crowd Joe seems to want to win over. I get it, "this is how we are doing things now," but remember how the NFL was called the No Fun League for Years? This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

I have as much fun here as I did 15 years ago and I'm nowhere near being part of the "Sunday church crowd".

 

[culdeus]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

Has it? It used to be that the NHL thread moved pretty fast. We are five months into the season now, and that thread is merely at 8 pages. Feels like it would have reached 8 pages by Thanksgiving years ago. I think the combination of many posters leaving, a lack of new posters, and certain changes here have all contributed to less traffic and interest. Many posters who often had great stories and anecdotes were driven away because their stories might not go over well with the Sunday church crowd Joe seems to want to win over. I get it, "this is how we are doing things now," but remember how the NFL was called the No Fun League for Years? This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

Ehh. Every forum I go to is dying. People spend time on tg or discord and reddit and linear thread sites are dying.

 

[zamboni]

This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

I have as much fun here as I did 15 years ago and I'm nowhere near being part of the "Sunday church crowd".

We still have Mesozoic Era music drafts to get to.

 

[Manster]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

Has it? It used to be that the NHL thread moved pretty fast. We are five months into the season now, and that thread is merely at 8 pages. Feels like it would have reached 8 pages by Thanksgiving years ago. I think the combination of many posters leaving, a lack of new posters, and certain changes here have all contributed to less traffic and interest. Many posters who often had great stories and anecdotes were driven away because their stories might not go over well with the Sunday church crowd Joe seems to want to win over. I get it, "this is how we are doing things now," but remember how the NFL was called the No Fun League for Years? This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

Ehh. Every forum I go to is dying. People spend time on tg or discord and reddit and linear thread sites are dying.

This is true. I'm a technological dinosaur. I still prefer these forums to other forms of social media.....but as we age out, who will continue this form of media?

 

[Joe Bryant]

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Sorry but no. Fluency in movie quote is a prerequisite for being here and that has nothing to do with this.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I get it and it's not new. According to the board, we've been on life support for twenty years.

 

[gianmarco]

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Sorry but no. Fluency in movie quote is a prerequisite for being here and that has nothing to do with this.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I get it and it's not new. According to the board, we've been on life support for twenty years.

You're completely missing what he's saying. He literally was quoting a famous part of a famous movie.

It has everything to do with his post which was a joke if you recognize the line.

 

[Joe Bryant]

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Sorry but no. Fluency in movie quote is a prerequisite for being here and that has nothing to do with this.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I get it and it's not new. According to the board, we've been on life support for twenty years.

You're completely missing what he's saying. He literally was quoting a famous part of a famous movie.

It has everything to do with his post which was a joke if you recognize the line.

Everyone knows that movie. Of course, we recognize the line. And I'm not missing anything on the "joke".

People love to talk about how the forum is mostly dead or dying or ruined or whatever. Or make a joke about it. It's been that way for a long time. Still doesn't make it any less of a bummer for me when we've poured a lot into it over the years.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I have as much fun here as I did 15 years ago and I'm nowhere near being part of the "Sunday church crowd".

Thank you GB. I do think there are a fair number of folks like you. Thanks for being here.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is true. I'm a technological dinosaur. I still prefer these forums to other forms of social media.....but as we age out, who will continue this form of media?

I'm still pretty optimistic about this type of forum and media. Reddit is still hugely popular. Sure there are lots more options and newer platforms like discord are super popular. But I'm still optimistic about the FFA.

 

[New Binky the Doormat]

This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

I have as much fun here as I did 15 years ago and I'm nowhere near being part of the "Sunday church crowd".

reaction.

 

[GordonGekko]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

I'll make you a deal here.

Start three top level thread topics within the next week here, in the vein of what you consider "productive" discussion here in the FFA. But with investment. Topics where you've put moderate investment into them. Actual sourced material, context, personal experience and a range of questions for participants. I will actively support these threads as well.

In exchange, I'll start three top level thread topics, and I'll let you choose the topics. Obviously it can't be political and it can't be a methodology to personally attack or mock anyone. I'll heavily invest and support them.

As I said all the way back in 2006, if you choose to speak up, you've obligated yourself to step up.

Show me, and everyone else here, what you mean, by example, by action, in what you deem as productive discussion.

If you are creative enough, you can probably figure out three thread topics that I have to do that would be the equivalent of some type of punishment. Think of the joy that would bring to some people here. But are you that creative?

This is what I see as productive. I challenge you. But I also challenge myself. And why is that a bad thing if it starts 6 new thread topics that might enrich the community and raise the level of discourse.

I look forward to your response.

 

[New Binky the Doormat]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

I'll make you a deal here.

Start three top level thread topics within the next week here, in the vein of what you consider "productive" discussion here in the FFA. But with investment. Topics where you've put moderate investment into them. Actual sourced material, context, personal experience and a range of questions for participants. I will actively support these threads as well.

In exchange, I'll start three top level thread topics, and I'll let you choose the topics. Obviously it can't be political and it can't be a methodology to personally attack or mock anyone. I'll heavily invest and support them.

As I said all the way back in 2006, if you choose to speak up, you've obligated yourself to step up.

Show me, and everyone else here, what you mean, by example, by action, in what you deem as productive discussion.

If you are creative enough, you can probably figure out three thread topics that I have to do that would be the equivalent of some type of punishment. Think of the joy that would bring to some people here. But are you that creative?

This is what I see as productive. I challenge you. But I also challenge myself. And why is that a bad thing if it starts 6 new thread topics that might enrich the community and raise the level of discourse.

I look forward to your response.

please, no.

please don't start more topics.

 

[Juxtatarot]

This is true. I'm a technological dinosaur. I still prefer these forums to other forms of social media.....but as we age out, who will continue this form of media?

I'm still pretty optimistic about this type of forum and media. Reddit is still hugely popular. Sure there are lots more options and newer platforms like discord are super popular. But I'm still optimistic about the FFA.

How would you like the FFA to be in, say, five years? The same?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Sorry but no. Fluency in movie quote is a prerequisite for being here and that has nothing to do with this.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I get it and it's not new. According to the board, we've been on life support for twenty years.

You're completely missing what he's saying. He literally was quoting a famous part of a famous movie.

It has everything to do with his post which was a joke if you recognize the line.

Everyone knows that movie. Of course, we recognize the line. And I'm not missing anything on the "joke".

People love to talk about how the forum is mostly dead or dying or ruined or whatever. Or make a joke about it. It's been that way for a long time. Still doesn't make it any less of a bummer for me when we've poured a lot into it over the years.

Now I'm thinking of a Good Morning Vietnam quote.

 

[bigbottom]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

I'll make you a deal here.

Start three top level thread topics within the next week here, in the vein of what you consider "productive" discussion here in the FFA. But with investment. Topics where you've put moderate investment into them. Actual sourced material, context, personal experience and a range of questions for participants. I will actively support these threads as well.

In exchange, I'll start three top level thread topics, and I'll let you choose the topics. Obviously it can't be political and it can't be a methodology to personally attack or mock anyone. I'll heavily invest and support them.

As I said all the way back in 2006, if you choose to speak up, you've obligated yourself to step up.

Show me, and everyone else here, what you mean, by example, by action, in what you deem as productive discussion.

If you are creative enough, you can probably figure out three thread topics that I have to do that would be the equivalent of some type of punishment. Think of the joy that would bring to some people here. But are you that creative?

This is what I see as productive. I challenge you. But I also challenge myself. And why is that a bad thing if it starts 6 new thread topics that might enrich the community and raise the level of discourse.

I look forward to your response.

No thank you. I’ll continue participating as I have.

 

[General Malaise]

Lighten up, everybody. Jeez. Just laugh and smile and stop getting so serious all the time.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I used to have a fear of elevators. But I've taken steps to avoid it

 

[dkp993]

Theres some long posts the past 2 pages I didn’t read as they weren’t numbered or time stamped. What a shame. (1/1) 3/04/2023 06:18pm pst.

I’ll leave this here for others to discuss.

 

[Desert_Power]

Theres some long posts the past 2 pages I didn’t read as they weren’t numbered or time stamped. What a shame. (1/1) 3/14/2023 06:18pm pst.

I’ll leave this here for others to discuss.

You're from the future?

 

[dkp993]

Theres some long posts the past 2 pages I didn’t read as they weren’t numbered or time stamped. What a shame. (1/1) 3/14/2023 06:18pm pst.

I’ll leave this here for others to discuss.

You're from the future?

, apparently 10 days

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Recently I just had someone with 56K posts try to criticize me, and my paltry 4K+ posts, for being on the forums too often. How much time do you have to spend over how many years to rack up 56 thousand plus posts? How about he spends less time trying to silence me and spend more time starting threads talking about things he finds interesting instead?

Dude, I wasn't trying to silence you. I was simply making a joke that you needed to get out more after stating the 19 year old actress looks like she's 10. And I've started plenty of threads here over the years. I've never complained about yours.

Sorry it that wasn't clear. Next time I'll make the post 10 times longer than it needs, to be, and add some bold and italics.

Gonna need some links too, guy.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

You don't speak fluent movie quote.

Sorry but no. Fluency in movie quote is a prerequisite for being here and that has nothing to do with this.

I am truly sorry you feel that way. But I get it and it's not new. According to the board, we've been on life support for twenty years.

You're completely missing what he's saying. He literally was quoting a famous part of a famous movie.

It has everything to do with his post which was a joke if you recognize the line.

Everyone knows that movie. Of course, we recognize the line. And I'm not missing anything on the "joke".

People love to talk about how the forum is mostly dead or dying or ruined or whatever. Or make a joke about it. It's been that way for a long time. Still doesn't make it any less of a bummer for me when we've poured a lot into it over the years.

I don’t really like that movie. i like these dead forums a lot more.

 

[rockaction]

Woodstock and GG sharing a similar thread thing. They’re both absurd similarities.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

FFA has been humming along just fine, imo. The discussion in this thread is likely counterproductive though.

Has it? It used to be that the NHL thread moved pretty fast. We are five months into the season now, and that thread is merely at 8 pages. Feels like it would have reached 8 pages by Thanksgiving years ago. I think the combination of many posters leaving, a lack of new posters, and certain changes here have all contributed to less traffic and interest. Many posters who often had great stories and anecdotes were driven away because their stories might not go over well with the Sunday church crowd Joe seems to want to win over. I get it, "this is how we are doing things now," but remember how the NFL was called the No Fun League for Years? This now the NFF - the No Fun Forum.

Ehh. Every forum I go to is dying. People spend time on tg or discord and reddit and linear thread sites are dying.

Not sure how it took until page 9 for this to come up. This is the only forum that I frequented back in the day that even still exists.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I think it’s all cycles. I post and spend less time here than I did years ago—but I still very much enjoy these forums. It’s no different than a lot of things. We were all told that brick and mortar shops were going to be completely replaced with online ordering for years—and sure enough brick and mortar is still here. People are thirsty for experience and for community. If we want this place to come back stronger and more quickly—it’s up to us to bring the community aspect of it back up to par. Joe always says “be cool to one another”. One of the reasons why I spend less time in here and post less is because of the attitudes of a few posters that think it’s okay and cool to clown people for having dissenting opinions on things. Sometimes it’s just easier not to post a thought or engage in a conversation when you can forecast that people will clown you for it as opposed to having a civil conversation about why we might have differing points of view. This place is the most interesting and thrives the most when it is an inviting and civil think tank. It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber. A lot of people seem to forget that often times you can learn the most from people who see things differently than you—versus learning from those who share the exact same point of views as you.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

Sure—it still exists—but you just have to dig to find it. It might be harder to find now because most people just “don’t post“ because of it. I can tell you firsthand that I refrain from posting much of the time when I might have a slightly dissenting opinion. It’s not worth it. I come here to conversate, exchange ideas, in a community where we are supposed to be kind to one another. A lot of people in here seem to only be able to extend kindness to those who they agree with. Most people don’t feel like wasting the energy to post something when they know the result is most likely not going to be discussion—but just a barrage of insults. Until people feel comfortable spending their time and energy here—regardless of what their opinions are—this place won’t get the numbers and involvement that it once used to get.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

Sure—it still exists—but you just have to dig to find it. It might be harder to find now because most people just “don’t post“ because of it. I can tell you firsthand that I refrain from posting much of the time when I might have a slightly dissenting opinion. It’s not worth it. I come here to conversate, exchange ideas, in a community where we are supposed to be kind to one another. A lot of people in here seem to only be able to extend kindness to those who they agree with. Most people don’t feel like wasting the energy to post something when they know the result is most likely not going to be discussion—but just a barrage of insults. Until people feel comfortable spending their time and energy here—regardless of what their opinions are—this place won’t get the numbers and involvement that it once used to get.

I dunno, man. I'm certainly not digging to find unpleasantness - here or anywhere else.

I'm just trying to think of a discussion thread here nowadays (post-PSF-shutdown) where this is still happening. I mean, I guess some of the Shark Pool threads can get a little testy, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're talking about.

Where exactly are you seeing this kind of stuff still happening? I'm a little mystified on what you're referring to in this forum's current state.

Are you sure you're not carrying over and projecting based on what that busted sewage pipe of a subforum used to be? It's gone, my friend. Took Joe too long to kill it, but I'm glad he did and banned that kind of crap here.

 

[waiver wire]

the FFA has gone downhill over the last decade
That could be various or combinations of reasons : we have gotten older, message boards aren't as popular ,the pg moderation/uneven moderations which has driven off great posters
as a lurker but long time subscriber i spend way less time here but they still get my money for my subscription so they may care less that the forums aren't as good

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

Sure—it still exists—but you just have to dig to find it. It might be harder to find now because most people just “don’t post“ because of it. I can tell you firsthand that I refrain from posting much of the time when I might have a slightly dissenting opinion. It’s not worth it. I come here to conversate, exchange ideas, in a community where we are supposed to be kind to one another. A lot of people in here seem to only be able to extend kindness to those who they agree with. Most people don’t feel like wasting the energy to post something when they know the result is most likely not going to be discussion—but just a barrage of insults. Until people feel comfortable spending their time and energy here—regardless of what their opinions are—this place won’t get the numbers and involvement that it once used to get.

I dunno, man. I'm certainly not digging to find unpleasantness - here or anywhere else.

I'm just trying to think of a discussion thread here nowadays (post-PSF-shutdown) where this is still happening. I mean, I guess some of the Shark Pool threads can get a little testy, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're talking about.

Where exactly are you seeing this kind of stuff still happening? I'm a little mystified on what you're referring to in this forum's current state.

Are you sure you're not carrying over and projecting based on what that busted sewage pipe of a subforum used to be? It's gone, my friend. Took Joe too long to kill it, but I'm glad he did and banned that kind of crap here.

Go to post number 1986 in the 2022-2023 NBA thread from October 7th 2022 and read through the back and forth and responses with a few members. I don’t want to link or quote it as the involved members would get notified and I don’t feel like dealing with that again. That instance came into my mind within like 5 minutes. I had another instance in the bitcoin thread. Even though I’m a believer in bitcoin and some crypto—i literally made the comment that some crypto investors should consider hedging their bets with a more stable alternative asset like precious metals—and I got crucified for it. Apparently—you can only be super positive about crypto in the crypto thread—and even people that are believers—but that believe in counterbalancing their crypto investments with more stable ones don’t belong in the crypto thread.

I made a post predicting the punishment that Draymond Green would get for punching Jordan Poole in practice. One of the members responded to my quote to where I responded back. He disagreed with my take and called me an idiot (he ended up changing out the word idiot after being called out for it—and gave an empty apology about it). During this all—another member who wasn’t even involved in the discussion—but is a long time member of this forum jumps in and says “back on my ignore list” as if I said or did anything wrong. I’m not the one who called a fellow member of what is supposed to be a cool community an idiot—but solely because I had a dissenting opinion than one of his buddies—he’s out there announcing that I’m on ignore. Honestly—I don’t care if people ignore me—but if they do—just do it. The fact that they are announcing it is solely to see if they can grab more of the community to join them in doing so. I even made a comment to the effect of “go ahead and ignore me. I’m sure you’ll gain a lot from the echo chamber that you are hoping to create”.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

Sure—it still exists—but you just have to dig to find it. It might be harder to find now because most people just “don’t post“ because of it. I can tell you firsthand that I refrain from posting much of the time when I might have a slightly dissenting opinion. It’s not worth it. I come here to conversate, exchange ideas, in a community where we are supposed to be kind to one another. A lot of people in here seem to only be able to extend kindness to those who they agree with. Most people don’t feel like wasting the energy to post something when they know the result is most likely not going to be discussion—but just a barrage of insults. Until people feel comfortable spending their time and energy here—regardless of what their opinions are—this place won’t get the numbers and involvement that it once used to get.

I dunno, man. I'm certainly not digging to find unpleasantness - here or anywhere else.

I'm just trying to think of a discussion thread here nowadays (post-PSF-shutdown) where this is still happening. I mean, I guess some of the Shark Pool threads can get a little testy, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're talking about.

Where exactly are you seeing this kind of stuff still happening? I'm a little mystified on what you're referring to in this forum's current state.

Are you sure you're not carrying over and projecting based on what that busted sewage pipe of a subforum used to be? It's gone, my friend. Took Joe too long to kill it, but I'm glad he did and banned that kind of crap here.

Go to post number 1986 in the 2022-2023 NBA thread from October 7th 2022 and read through the back and forth and responses with a few members. I don’t want to link or quote it as the involved members would get notified and I don’t feel like dealing with that again. That instance came into my mind within like 5 minutes. I had another instance in the bitcoin thread. Even though I’m a believer in bitcoin and some crypto—i literally made the comment that some crypto investors should consider hedging their bets with a more stable alternative asset like precious metals—and I got crucified for it. Apparently—you can only be super positive about crypto in the crypto thread—and even people that are believers—but that believe in counterbalancing their crypto investments with more stable ones don’t belong in the crypto thread.

I made a post predicting the punishment that Draymond Green would get for punching Jordan Poole in practice. One of the members responded to my quote to where I responded back. He disagreed with my take and called me an idiot (he ended up changing out the word idiot after being called out for it—and gave an empty apology about it). During this all—another member who wasn’t even involved in the discussion—but is a long time member of this forum jumps in and says “back on my ignore list” as if I said or did anything wrong. I’m not the one who called a fellow member of what is supposed to be a cool community an idiot—but solely because I had a dissenting opinion than one of his buddies—he’s out there announcing that I’m on ignore. Honestly—I don’t care if people ignore me—but if they do—just do it. The fact that they are announcing it is solely to see if they can grab more of the community to join them in doing so. I even made a comment to the effect of “go ahead and ignore me. I’m sure you’ll gain a lot from the echo chamber that you are hoping to create”.

Might want to recalibrate sometimes instead of letting **** like this eat at you. Also might want to look into how your posts come across in those threads (none of which I'm involved in) with fresh eyes and think about how you present. The martyr stuff doesn't always play well in text.

Have a wonderful day, my friend.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

You’re still chuffed about a post from 5 months ago? Let it go, man.

 

[zamboni]

This is true. I'm a technological dinosaur. I still prefer these forums to other forms of social media.....but as we age out, who will continue this form of media?

I'm still pretty optimistic about this type of forum and media. Reddit is still hugely popular. Sure there are lots more options and newer platforms like discord are super popular. But I'm still optimistic about the FFA.

How would you like the FFA to be in, say, five years? The same?

I expect many of us will be somewhat grayer, balder and heavier, but we’ll still be here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You’re still chuffed about a post from 5 months ago? Let it go, man.

A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side.

The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman.

Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the other side, and carried on his journey.

The younger monk couldn’t believe what had just happened. After rejoining his companion, he was speechless, and an hour passed without a word between them.

Two more hours passed, then three, finally the younger monk could contain himself no longer, and blurted out “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?”

The older monk looked at him and replied, “Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river, why are you still carrying her?”

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It falls to hell and sucks when it becomes an uninviting tribal echo chamber

Are you still seeing this here? Since the PSF got nuked, I've seen very little of it.

Sure—it still exists—but you just have to dig to find it. It might be harder to find now because most people just “don’t post“ because of it. I can tell you firsthand that I refrain from posting much of the time when I might have a slightly dissenting opinion. It’s not worth it. I come here to conversate, exchange ideas, in a community where we are supposed to be kind to one another. A lot of people in here seem to only be able to extend kindness to those who they agree with. Most people don’t feel like wasting the energy to post something when they know the result is most likely not going to be discussion—but just a barrage of insults. Until people feel comfortable spending their time and energy here—regardless of what their opinions are—this place won’t get the numbers and involvement that it once used to get.

I dunno, man. I'm certainly not digging to find unpleasantness - here or anywhere else.

I'm just trying to think of a discussion thread here nowadays (post-PSF-shutdown) where this is still happening. I mean, I guess some of the Shark Pool threads can get a little testy, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're talking about.

Where exactly are you seeing this kind of stuff still happening? I'm a little mystified on what you're referring to in this forum's current state.

Are you sure you're not carrying over and projecting based on what that busted sewage pipe of a subforum used to be? It's gone, my friend. Took Joe too long to kill it, but I'm glad he did and banned that kind of crap here.

Go to post number 1986 in the 2022-2023 NBA thread from October 7th 2022 and read through the back and forth and responses with a few members. I don’t want to link or quote it as the involved members would get notified and I don’t feel like dealing with that again. That instance came into my mind within like 5 minutes. I had another instance in the bitcoin thread. Even though I’m a believer in bitcoin and some crypto—i literally made the comment that some crypto investors should consider hedging their bets with a more stable alternative asset like precious metals—and I got crucified for it. Apparently—you can only be super positive about crypto in the crypto thread—and even people that are believers—but that believe in counterbalancing their crypto investments with more stable ones don’t belong in the crypto thread.

I made a post predicting the punishment that Draymond Green would get for punching Jordan Poole in practice. One of the members responded to my quote to where I responded back. He disagreed with my take and called me an idiot (he ended up changing out the word idiot after being called out for it—and gave an empty apology about it). During this all—another member who wasn’t even involved in the discussion—but is a long time member of this forum jumps in and says “back on my ignore list” as if I said or did anything wrong. I’m not the one who called a fellow member of what is supposed to be a cool community an idiot—but solely because I had a dissenting opinion than one of his buddies—he’s out there announcing that I’m on ignore. Honestly—I don’t care if people ignore me—but if they do—just do it. The fact that they are announcing it is solely to see if they can grab more of the community to join them in doing so. I even made a comment to the effect of “go ahead and ignore me. I’m sure you’ll gain a lot from the echo chamber that you are hoping to create”.

Might want to recalibrate sometimes instead of letting **** like this eat at you. Also might want to look into how your posts come across in those threads (none of which I'm involved in) with fresh eyes and think about how you present. The martyr stuff doesn't always play well in text.

Have a wonderful day, my friend.

Oh—I didn’t let it bother me like hours after it was over. You asked for an example—and that was the first one that came into my mind—and I ran a search for it in the thread. I just tend to post less because of those types of things. Stuff like that just made it so I was motivated to share my engagement and time with other places where I can share my opinion. I certainly don’t want to give an impression that this particular exchange, or the one in the bitcoin thread still eat at me. They are just evidence to me that I need to spend less time in here—and consequently—I do.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

You’re still chuffed about a post from 5 months ago? Let it go, man.

Not at all. I was asked to provide an example and that was one that popped in my head and I just did a search and found it. Once similar things to that had happened a few times—I just viewed it as being data or information that I need to limit my time and postings here and spread my involvement with other places. If I hold a grudge—it will be with real life people over manners that matter. I’m not going to hold a grudge with internet strangers. My internet time is my time for sanctuary and fun. My point is that over time—a lot of the community here is not fun or kind. Because of that-I just have shifted and spread my internet time to some other places.