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Thomas Jones News (2 Viewers)
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
A Benson can owner can dream, can't he?I don't think it's about pride or fear, and I'd hardly fault him for wanting to fight through an injury and help his team. He's a guy who's finally living up to his potential and wants to keep it going.And he'll end his season in the process. I'm not afraid to reap the benefits as a Benson owner............Just sit out a week Tommy Jones, get healthy and you'll be the man rest of year.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
FBG's has Benson ranked in the top 20 in its updated cheatsheets but doesn't even mention Thomas Jones. That makes sense.
Routilla
Footballguy
They may have put out the cheatsheets before Jones was reported to have practiced today. One thing is for sure, TJ gives CHI a better chance of winning and if he's ready he will play and run all over MIN. If not then Benson and Peterson will both get a lot of carries. No way a rookie holdout garners all the touches with Peterson fully capable of pass blocking and toting the rock. I don't see Benson being a top 20 RB this weekend even if TJ sits. Peterson will get too much work IMO.
Per ESPN.comOct 14 - Roto: Jones (knee) was limited in practice on Friday and it doesn't look like he'll play on Sunday against the Vikings, ESPN's John Clayton reports.Spin: Jones hasn't been ruled out, but it doesn't look good for him this week. Look for Cedric Benson to get the starting nod, with Adrian Peterson also in the mix to a lesser degree.
I don't see T.Jones playing at all this week. Especially with the recent article that was just released regarding how he will still be the featured back even if Benson erupts with huge numbers this week. The coach is re assuring that T.Jones shouldn't rush back this week, just to keep his job...
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Hope springs eternal...
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Thomas Jones made a surprise return to practice Friday. He's now a game-time decision with a knee injury.
He wasn't limping at all. Friday isn't a padded practice, but we'd guess Jones will play now. "I haven't run since last week and it was definitely a lot better than I thought it would feel," Jones said after practice. Oct. 14 - 4:55 pm et
Bears
He wasn't limping at all. Friday isn't a padded practice, but we'd guess Jones will play now. "I haven't run since last week and it was definitely a lot better than I thought it would feel," Jones said after practice. Oct. 14 - 4:55 pm et
Bears
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Yeah
qb: Manning, Brooksrb: Portis, Jackson, Faulk, Barlow, Benson
wr: Horn, Burleson, McCardell, Bruce, Muhammad
te: Heap
dst: Bucs
k: Brown
RECORD: 2-3
12 team head to head points based system
Start: 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST
6 points for all TDs
1 pt per 25 yds passing
1 pt per 10 yds rushing/receiving
No Kidding?????IF you read the post you'll see that i've already pointed out that i'm a benson owner genius!Yeah
rb: Portis, Jackson, Faulk, Barlow, Benson
wr: Horn, Burleson, McCardell, Bruce, Muhammad
te: Heap
dst: Bucs
k: Brown
RECORD: 2-3
12 team head to head points based system
Start: 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST
6 points for all TDs
1 pt per 25 yds passing
1 pt per 10 yds rushing/receiving
Tj did practice today, but the Score's reporter Lawrence Holmes said that he walked with a "noticable" limp and doesn't think Tj will play this week. he is a game time decision, but in his opinion he doesn't think he will play. If benson has a great game, TJ is still the starter. ALL the players are behind TJ and if the bears bench him for cedric, it could mean disaster. The coaching staff doesn't want all the players against them. Sorry, no link, heard it on the radio today.Edited:spelling
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Yeah, heard the same. And I agree TJ would be better off sitting this week & trying next. The starting gig is his despite whatever Benson does this week (I think personally Benson's future the rest of the year -- more so than Jones's -- is on the line with this game)I also heard during the afternoon on the Score his injury is a 3-4 week injury most times, so it's seems like he's really rushing it & could only hurt himself by trying to play hurt.
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RoosterScott
Footballguy
Being a Benson owner who was hoping to start him as an emergency (lost Deuce) this weekend against the awful Vikes, I hope Jones does rush back to play and it sets him back. Sorry, no offense to Jones owners or Bears fans, and I admire the guy not wanting to lose his job (and he shouldn't with the way he's played), but Thomas Jones won't give me $1,000 if I don't win my money league, and Benson playing more longterm might help get me that cash (either by starting him or trading him while he has "starting RB" value. So while I don't like to wish ill will on players, FF is all business, Jones is making an emotional decision to rush back, it seems, and I would like to see it lead to Benson getting a full-time shot to help my team. Not to sound cold, but that's the bottom line.That said, I agree that the team might get ornery if Jones can play and Lovie sits him for Benson nonetheless. Not the way to win a team over.
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Larry Holmes is a MORON. That said, I can't argue with what he saw... but Lovie can!!"He looked good,'' Smith said. "It's not like he was limping or anything like that. We'll take it from there. He did well with what we asked him to do.''
http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-bside15.html
Sorry Benson lovers - it's not clear what will happen yet:
Sprain might not keep Jones away Sunday
October 15, 2005
BY BRAD BIGGS Staff Reporter
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Thomas Jones took a step toward being on the field Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings when he practiced Friday at Halas Hall.
The league's No. 8 rusher suffered a mild sprain in his right knee last week at Cleveland but now looks like a real possibility to play, despite rampant reports earlier in the week that he would miss up to two games.
"It was definitely a lot better than I thought it would feel,'' said Jones, who remains questionable on the injury report. "It was a lot more stable than I thought it would be. I feel pretty good. I'll have to see how I feel Sunday.''
If Jones can't play, rookie Cedric Benson will make his first professional start, but coach Lovie Smith was encouraged by Jones' performance, and typically when a guy practices Friday, he plays Sunday.
"He looked good,'' Smith said. "It's not like he was limping or anything like that. We'll take it from there. He did well with what we asked him to do.''
There's a possibility that left tackle John Tait (sprained left ankle, questionable) also will play, though he did not practice this week. Smith said while he prefers players get at least one day of work in before a game, it's not a hard rule. If Tait isn't ready to go, John St. Clair will take his place.
"I said [Thursday] I would like for the guys to get at least one practice in, in order for them to play,'' Smith said. "But it's not like that is 100 percent. If we have a player we feel like can help us win and he's ready to go Sunday, we'll play him if that's the case.''
Perhaps that's because Smith acknowledged the Bears "need to get a win in the worst way.'' Left guard Ruben Brown (left pectoral muscle, questionable) is expected to be replaced by Roberto Garza. Tight end Desmond Clark (ill, questionable) was downgraded after missing practice for the second consecutive day. Defensive tackle Tommie Harris (foot) and cornerback Nate Vasher (knee) were removed from the injury list.
"It's a crucial game,'' Jones said. "We need this game for later on in the season if we want to make it into the playoffs.
"With the distractions we've had this week, I think a lot of guys are just ready to play. I want to be out there and make plays and help us win.''
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Nothing says Benson will succeed either.. I have my doubts he is ready too at this moment if given a chance.. That's my opinion based on what I have seen..
couldn't agree more..his holdout killed him. but if there's any day he does well, it's against the vikes, who have clearly packed it in. and for the record, i drafted jones last year and tink he's always been underrrated, but with the sudden loss of deuce, i just need benson as a deep rb start/trade option this year and a big game against minny would go a long way. we'll see...
Screamin' SphinX
Footballguy
I don't think those two articles are necessarily contradictory, they simply put a different spin on the same story which is 'Thomas Jones is a game time decision'
The reality is that no one on these boards has examined T. Jones or looked at his MRI. We have to get little hints and clues about what may be going on with him through the various articles that are published.
The Tribune article actually contains some new information in the form of -
Jones, whose Monday MRI was sent to noted specialist James Andrews for a second opinion, was encouraged.
"[My injury] was better than I thought it would be," he said. "It was a lot more stable than I thought it would be."
This suggest to me that the MRI does not show a significant tear in his LCL. Remember that the LCL is not a major ligament in the knee in regards to stability. This injury is relatively rare compared with other knee injuries because it usually requires a force/blow on the medial side of the knee to cause the injury. This is not the type of injury that is going to get significantly worse by running on it. Sure it may cause more inflammation and pain but simply running on it is not going to cause it to tear. Another akward tackle or blow to the leg could surely worsen the injury but then the same thing could cause a new injury to a player who had no prior injury. Basically I think the only thing holding Jones back is the pain and or inflamation he may be experiencing.
Now lets look at other factors that may go into Jones playing
1) He has a strong desire to help his team in an important divisional game
2) He wants to remain RB #1 and fend off Benson (no matter what Lovie and the others say)
As a fantasy owner you're going to have to go right down to the wire with this one. Right now I think there is a better than 50% chance he plays based upon what has been said and inferences that have been made. If you currently have him in your lineup you better have another option to go to just before game time in case they hold him out. On the other hand, if he does play I expect a big game from him to the tune of over 100 yds and 1 - 2 TDs. So if you do have him on your roster and he plays you probably don't want to miss out on what could possibly be a huge performance.
The reality is that no one on these boards has examined T. Jones or looked at his MRI. We have to get little hints and clues about what may be going on with him through the various articles that are published.
The Tribune article actually contains some new information in the form of -
Jones, whose Monday MRI was sent to noted specialist James Andrews for a second opinion, was encouraged.
"[My injury] was better than I thought it would be," he said. "It was a lot more stable than I thought it would be."
This suggest to me that the MRI does not show a significant tear in his LCL. Remember that the LCL is not a major ligament in the knee in regards to stability. This injury is relatively rare compared with other knee injuries because it usually requires a force/blow on the medial side of the knee to cause the injury. This is not the type of injury that is going to get significantly worse by running on it. Sure it may cause more inflammation and pain but simply running on it is not going to cause it to tear. Another akward tackle or blow to the leg could surely worsen the injury but then the same thing could cause a new injury to a player who had no prior injury. Basically I think the only thing holding Jones back is the pain and or inflamation he may be experiencing.
Now lets look at other factors that may go into Jones playing
1) He has a strong desire to help his team in an important divisional game
2) He wants to remain RB #1 and fend off Benson (no matter what Lovie and the others say)
As a fantasy owner you're going to have to go right down to the wire with this one. Right now I think there is a better than 50% chance he plays based upon what has been said and inferences that have been made. If you currently have him in your lineup you better have another option to go to just before game time in case they hold him out. On the other hand, if he does play I expect a big game from him to the tune of over 100 yds and 1 - 2 TDs. So if you do have him on your roster and he plays you probably don't want to miss out on what could possibly be a huge performance.
Pigskin75
Footballguy
Benson, Benson, Benson...that's all y'all talk about. What about Peterson? It seems the papers go out of their way to mention that Lovie continues to mention Peterson every chance he gets.If Jones can't go my take is that Benson and Peterson will split and the split will be determined on the situation. From what I've read Benson's pass blocking skills are lacking so I would expect Peterson to be in on passing downs. If Benson gets a series he better perform better than he did last week...for that matter, both backs need to step up.From a football perspective the Bears should be able to control the ground game and find a back that is best suited for this particular game.From a fantasy perspective I don't know if either Benson or Peterson are a good option this week unless you're desperate. The read on the situation could change drasticallyafter today's practice so this situation needs to be closely monitored. But with the information I have right now that's how I see it playing out.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Excellent post and nice analysis
Strangely enough, I recently researched LCL injuries quite a bit when trying to diagnose my own knee problem. As you said, I ruled the LCL out when I learned that it is only caused and worsened by a blow to the outside of the knee.Jones is a warrior, and I expect him to be out there. On that note, the Bears love him and he, Mushy and the o-line are the critical keys to the Bears offense to date. They will take him out as soon as they can, and give him plenty of rest IMO. If he plays, I think it'll be 90 yards and a potential TD, and about 50-60 yards between the other two. If he doesn't play, I'm a little scared for the offense...
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Long Snapper
Footballguy
Good God!!!! Why do I keep hoping these boards become more than a chat room for regulars with too much time on their hands! Back to KFFL's Hotwire for concrete injury news!
brednbuddah
Footballguy
I agree with this as Smith isn't going to let a rookie get the QB killed. It's the opportunity Benson (and Benson owners) have been looking for, but I'm not convinced he's going to light it up. He's only played in three games so far, so you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt, but hasn't looked any better than mediocre.
Screamin' SphinX
Footballguy
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Pigskin75
Footballguy
Snap, the news comes out several hours apart. Between that the users hear analyze the news. The effort is to read between the lines and present our takes on the information. The "regulars" have been around a while and have read plenty of "coach speak" through the years. There's also plenty of hometown information. Info from local radio shows and sports reporters. Stuff you can't find on the Hotwire.The Hotwire is a very valuable tool. But used properly, these boards can give you insight you can't get anywhere else.
So really, the loss is yours. If you're here on Sunday mornings you'll understand just how valuable this place is when you're hanging on "game time decisions". You're a refresh click away from timely info.
M
MLBrandow
Guest
People forget he was the leading rusher and scorer in the NFL until Grossman went down last year.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Conflicting reports;
http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-bside15.html
Sprain might not keep Jones away Sunday
October 15, 2005
BY BRAD BIGGS Staff Reporter
Thomas Jones took a step toward being on the field Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings when he practiced Friday at Halas Hall.
The league's No. 8 rusher suffered a mild sprain in his right knee last week at Cleveland but now looks like a real possibility to play, despite rampant reports earlier in the week that he would miss up to two games.
"It was definitely a lot better than I thought it would feel,'' said Jones, who remains questionable on the injury report. "It was a lot more stable than I thought it would be. I feel pretty good. I'll have to see how I feel Sunday.''
If Jones can't play, rookie Cedric Benson will make his first professional start, but coach Lovie Smith was encouraged by Jones' performance, and typically when a guy practices Friday, he plays Sunday.
"He looked good,'' Smith said. "It's not like he was limping or anything like that. We'll take it from there. He did well with what we asked him to do.''
There's a possibility that left tackle John Tait (sprained left ankle, questionable) also will play, though he did not practice this week. Smith said while he prefers players get at least one day of work in before a game, it's not a hard rule. If Tait isn't ready to go, John St. Clair will take his place.
"I said [Thursday] I would like for the guys to get at least one practice in, in order for them to play,'' Smith said. "But it's not like that is 100 percent. If we have a player we feel like can help us win and he's ready to go Sunday, we'll play him if that's the case.''
Perhaps that's because Smith acknowledged the Bears "need to get a win in the worst way.'' Left guard Ruben Brown (left pectoral muscle, questionable) is expected to be replaced by Roberto Garza. Tight end Desmond Clark (ill, questionable) was downgraded after missing practice for the second consecutive day. Defensive tackle Tommie Harris (foot) and cornerback Nate Vasher (knee) were removed from the injury list.
"It's a crucial game,'' Jones said. "We need this game for later on in the season if we want to make it into the playoffs.
"With the distractions we've had this week, I think a lot of guys are just ready to play. I want to be out there and make plays and help us win.''
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanb...nball&type=lgns
Bears: Jones still unlikely for Sunday
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Saturday, October 15, 2005
News
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that although Thomas Jones was officially at practice on Friday despite his sprained right knee, the Bears starting running back was heavily taped, noticeably limping, and remains unlikely to play on Sunday against the Vikings. Jones is officially questionable and will be a game-time decision. The Tribune is also reporting that the stretched lateral collateral ligament is typically a three-to-four week injury.
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Jones has been able to run straight ahead this week but isn't sure about his ability cut on the sprain. It's looking more and more like Cedric Benson will get the start and third-stringer Adrian Peterson will spell the rookie as needed. If Jones is indeed inactive on Sunday, Benson is a promising play against the league's worst run defense.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-bside15.html
Sprain might not keep Jones away Sunday
October 15, 2005
BY BRAD BIGGS Staff Reporter
Thomas Jones took a step toward being on the field Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings when he practiced Friday at Halas Hall.
The league's No. 8 rusher suffered a mild sprain in his right knee last week at Cleveland but now looks like a real possibility to play, despite rampant reports earlier in the week that he would miss up to two games.
"It was definitely a lot better than I thought it would feel,'' said Jones, who remains questionable on the injury report. "It was a lot more stable than I thought it would be. I feel pretty good. I'll have to see how I feel Sunday.''
If Jones can't play, rookie Cedric Benson will make his first professional start, but coach Lovie Smith was encouraged by Jones' performance, and typically when a guy practices Friday, he plays Sunday.
"He looked good,'' Smith said. "It's not like he was limping or anything like that. We'll take it from there. He did well with what we asked him to do.''
There's a possibility that left tackle John Tait (sprained left ankle, questionable) also will play, though he did not practice this week. Smith said while he prefers players get at least one day of work in before a game, it's not a hard rule. If Tait isn't ready to go, John St. Clair will take his place.
"I said [Thursday] I would like for the guys to get at least one practice in, in order for them to play,'' Smith said. "But it's not like that is 100 percent. If we have a player we feel like can help us win and he's ready to go Sunday, we'll play him if that's the case.''
Perhaps that's because Smith acknowledged the Bears "need to get a win in the worst way.'' Left guard Ruben Brown (left pectoral muscle, questionable) is expected to be replaced by Roberto Garza. Tight end Desmond Clark (ill, questionable) was downgraded after missing practice for the second consecutive day. Defensive tackle Tommie Harris (foot) and cornerback Nate Vasher (knee) were removed from the injury list.
"It's a crucial game,'' Jones said. "We need this game for later on in the season if we want to make it into the playoffs.
"With the distractions we've had this week, I think a lot of guys are just ready to play. I want to be out there and make plays and help us win.''
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanb...nball&type=lgns
Bears: Jones still unlikely for Sunday
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Saturday, October 15, 2005
News
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that although Thomas Jones was officially at practice on Friday despite his sprained right knee, the Bears starting running back was heavily taped, noticeably limping, and remains unlikely to play on Sunday against the Vikings. Jones is officially questionable and will be a game-time decision. The Tribune is also reporting that the stretched lateral collateral ligament is typically a three-to-four week injury.
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Jones has been able to run straight ahead this week but isn't sure about his ability cut on the sprain. It's looking more and more like Cedric Benson will get the start and third-stringer Adrian Peterson will spell the rookie as needed. If Jones is indeed inactive on Sunday, Benson is a promising play against the league's worst run defense.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Definitely true - The Trib and Sun Times are both more solid than any fantasy sources for this, and both are displaying both sides of the coin. As was stated above by others, it's obviously a game time decision and far from clear at the moment. I won't be starting TJ, but I don't expect anyone to do great per se. It's a shame against the Vikes' awful D and in the midst of the Love Boat scandal!!
Rev
Footballguy
Actually, I need to say something about the Vikings D... They are not aweful. They've been ravaged by injuries and have been kept on the field too long by their aweful offense. Now, the Vikes have only 2 players sidelined from their defense, so for once we're going to see what they can do at full strength (or as close to it as they've been for a while). I'm actually considering starting the Vikings D against the Bears, especially if Jones is out. I prefer them this week over the Bronco's and Skins, who are playing the Chiefs and Pat's respectively.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Not a bad call - I WOULD start the Vikes D comfortably this week, but it's because of the Bears QB, not the running game. The Bears running game has worked against everyone but the Wash D @ Washington in week one, so I think their running game would normally be too much for the Minnesota D.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Might want to rediagnose your own knee. Medial means inside, not outside.Excellent post and nice analysis
Ok natrone thinks Lawrence Holmes is a moron. That's beside the point. He saw Jones walk with a noticable limp. Is lovie actually going to tell us that Jones didn't look good and has a limp? Come on. Espn radio reported today that initially the doctors/trainers told Jones 3-4 weeks, but he has already started running so that is great news. They don't think Jones is going to play this week, but next week is looking really good.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Actually, as I stated above once I learned that the LCL and MCL injuries come from a blow to the knee period, I stopped my reading on the cause. I didn't injure my knee from contact.Edited: this webmd piece mislead me as to the cause for an LCL injury:Might want to rediagnose your own knee. Medial means inside, not outside.Excellent post and nice analysis
http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/7/1666_50511.htm
The cause for an LCL is typically a hit to the inside (medial) side, but what is strange to me is that I'm almost POSITIVE that the hit on TJ was to the outside of his injured knee. One would then think the MCL would injured, but who knows...
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Actually, I KNOW Holmes is a moron! As does anyone who listens to sports radio in Chicago often. That aside, I agree with the coach-speak skepticism, but I don't know why Lovie wouldn't even mention the limping factor unless he was surprised to not see him limping. To me, Holmes' tendency to create controversy and make the wrong call is greater than the likelihood that Lovie is outright lying about this, but to your point either might be the case.
Rotoworld: Thomas Jones (knee) was unable to run during Friday's practice and is questionable. Jones said he was unable to make cuts and was noticably limited at practice. His right knee was heavily taped and he walked with a noticeable limp. Doctors told Jones the knee sprain was typically a three- to four-week injury. "[but] I'm running now," Jones said. "We'll just have to see how I feel on Sunday." Cedric Benson is a solid fill-in starter against the Vikings, the league's worst run defense
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
With the entire left side of the offensive line probably lining up a different starter than last week, I would not start Thomas Jones this week. It's not worth the risk.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Speaking of Neal Anderson, what's he doing these days?He helped me to my first FF title back in 1989!
brednbuddah
Footballguy
My memories of Neal Anderson aren't that fond. He scored the tying TD against my Jets with :00 left on the clock to force overtime on a Monday night in Soldier Field. Pat Leahy choked in OT and the Bears went on to win a great game.Heh, funny you should mention that because I actually see him around town here in Gainesville sometimes. He's a real cool guy, played poker with him once.Speaking of Neal Anderson, what's he doing these days?
He helped me to my first FF title back in 1989!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Well, ummm.... tell him I said thanks!Heh, funny you should mention that because I actually see him around town here in Gainesville sometimes. He's a real cool guy, played poker with him once.Speaking of Neal Anderson, what's he doing these days?
He helped me to my first FF title back in 1989!
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I loooved Neal Anderson.As a rookie, he would do ANYTHING the team asked of him to get on the field. Return kicks, punts, hell.... he was even Walter Payton's fullback on occassion.When his father killed his girlfriend (his father's girlfriend), I think that took all the wind out of Neal's sails.Neal Anderson and Trace Armstrong are two of the most under-appreciated Bears since the Super Bowl team. They both tried stepping in the footsteps of Hall of Famers - and I think in they both did a very commendable job. When you look at the career sack leaders, Armstrong is much higher on that list than Bears fans remember - simply because Dave Wannstedt HAD TO move him, so he could get 'his guy' John Thierry on the field.Wanny traded him for a 2nd round pick, which he used on Todd Sauerbrun - and he got rid of Chris Gardocki.Hmmm.... Chris Gardocki and Trace Armstrong vs. John Thierry and Todd SauerbrunThen Wanny ran Armstrong out of Miami also..... he heh
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Where are all the Cedric Benson lovers out there?An injured Thomas Jones once again carrying the offense....Benson sucks.
