Tiger Woods: Good Guy or Bad Guy? (1 Viewer)

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

 

[massraider]

Ironic when it's a guy who loves to date waitresses.

I lived in Vegas when the divorce was going on, I knew two of his hookups there.

Anyone that famous who likes to gamble and spend time in Vegas, it's just a constant vortex of opportunity. To walk into a club or restaurant, in VEGAS, and be the most desirable man, every time, is an insane situation for a married man to handle.

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

Moved into a really nice condo effectively just off campus when I was ~27. This area also very close to Old Town Scottsdale, which is basically like the place in the Phoenix area for attractive single professionals. It was incredible. Like fish in a barrel. Attractive girls everywhere. I had buddies driving three hours just to hang out at my condo's pool and its accompanying eye candy.

Of course, I met my wife (a Sun Devil alumna) like three weeks in and totally pulled a Tiger by marrying one of the first attractive Sun Devils to let me do some fun stuff to her. So, in the context of Tiger and his life choices, I again "get it."

My wife loves to remind me that my condo that I had in my prime totally went to waste since I wound up spending most of my time during that lease at her place anyway and, of course, I didn't get to carnally know any further coeds or female alumni thereafter.

 

[encaitar]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

 

[Zow]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

 

[General Malaise]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

You're probably right about Erica. She isn't getting a dime from Tiger so wants to write a book for her own personal gain, which I can understand. I would imagine Tiger strokes her a check, she walks away, the NDA stays in place and we cheer him on at Augusta next month.

On a side note, I'm not sure Mother Teresa should be on the medal stand for 'good people'. Thread for another day.....

 

[General Malaise]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

I mean, come on....who amongst us hasn't taken money from a dictator or defended a convicted child molester?

 

[Zow]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

I mean, come on....who amongst us hasn't taken money from a dictator or defended a convicted child molester?

Define "defended" because the same could be said of me!

 

[General Malaise]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

I mean, come on....who amongst us hasn't taken money from a dictator or defended a convicted child molester?

Define "defended" because the same could be said of me!

I also said 'convicted' so I'm guessing you were defending somebody before a verdict? Maybe on appeal?

 

[Zow]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

I mean, come on....who amongst us hasn't taken money from a dictator or defended a convicted child molester?

Define "defended" because the same could be said of me!

I also said 'convicted' so I'm guessing you were defending somebody before a verdict? Maybe on appeal?

 

[jb1020]

Bad guy (not his fault) who has been humbled. I love him.

I really don't think we know the half of how hard his dad was on him.

 

[encaitar]

The best comparison I can think of is Lebron. He was touted the next guy hitting the cover of SI when he was in high school. The immense pressure and spotlight hit him at a very early stage and as far as I can tell has never had any run-ins with the law and has been a "good" person even with all the accolades, spotlight, opportunities, etc that come with that.

Like Tiger he also arguably exceeded the lofty expectations thrust on him at an early age. Say what you want about Lebron and the Decision (probably the biggest negative he has had) he really has handled everything thrust at him as good as you could possibly do.

As far as Tiger being a good person or bad, I think it's impossible for any of us to really know. As someone above said, I don't know the guy so how can I know the answer? From a distance, I think he has made mistakes but by and large I think the good he has done has outweighed the bad so I would put him at an overall + on the good side.

I certainly feel like there are *A LOT* of opinions about LeBron James, many of them being negative. Not knowing him hasn't stopped these negative opinions from being formed. Just go read some of the takes on James in our NBA threads over the years. There are some absolute haters here and we're a tiny, miniscule community compared to the NBA audience at large.

I think most of the negative takes on LeBron come from Jordan guys who are uncomfortable with how close LeBron has pushed the narrative.

LeBron vs. Tiger is an interesting comparison and gives some insight into how people are raised IMO. Tiger grew up idolizing his dad, who was banging sluts on the side while Tiger was hitting balls at the range. LeBron grew up without a father and it hurt him so deeply he promised himself that he'd never do that to his kids and it showed in how he raised his kids/family. Interesting nature/nurture view here IMO.

 

[beer 30]

On a side note, I'm not sure Mother Teresa should be on the medal stand for 'good people'. Thread for another day.....

this should a weekly thread with a new contestant every week

Run by somebody not named me

 

[-fish-]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

close competition with SDSU

 

[-fish-]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

I mean, come on....who amongst us hasn't taken money from a dictator or defended a convicted child molester?

If I knew a dictator, I'd take their money.

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

close competition with SDSU

I could see that.

If I could it all over I'd have gone to Pepperdine, I think.

 

[General Malaise]

Bad guy (not his fault) who has been humbled. I love him.

I really don't think we know the half of how hard his dad was on him.

Good observations. Hate to go back to the HBO Doc well too many times but you got the sense that Tiger was robbed of a normal childhood and longed to do ordinary, mundane teen stuff with his peers but was restrained from his parents from enjoying such things fully. His abrupt endings with love interests and friends felt authored by his parents. That's gotta create lasting damage.

 

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

close competition with SDSU

Yeah, co-worker's daughter is a freshman Alpha Phi there. He went down for Dads' weekend and said that place is insane. Girls wear next to nothing and party all day and night. He said he's going to make his daughter transfer to BYU, Iowa State or Millsaps.

 

[-fish-]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

close competition with SDSU

Yeah, co-worker's daughter is a freshman Alpha Phi there. He went down for Dads' weekend and said that place is insane. Girls wear next to nothing and party all day and night. He said he's going to make his daughter transfer to BYU, Iowa State or Millsaps.

Yeah, my friend from Gig Harbor that you met at a Ducks game has a freshman daughter there, I forget which sorority. They apparently wear nothing but thongs and never go to class. She managed a 1.8 first semester.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

No middle ground option for the actual truth because humans rarely if ever fit into neat little boxes such as "good" or "bad"?

Not sure about this. Fortunately, I know a lot of good people. And unfortunately, some bad people too

 

[kevzilla]

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull.

Didn't look it up, but there's a decent chance Rachel Maddow was there

 

[General Malaise]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

close competition with SDSU

Yeah, co-worker's daughter is a freshman Alpha Phi there. He went down for Dads' weekend and said that place is insane. Girls wear next to nothing and party all day and night. He said he's going to make his daughter transfer to BYU, Iowa State or Millsaps.

Yeah, my friend from Gig Harbor that you met at a Ducks game has a freshman daughter there, I forget which sorority. They apparently wear nothing but thongs and never go to class. She managed a 1.8 first semester.

What's all this now?

I need to start writing some stories down.....

 

[Leroy Hoard]

No middle ground option for the actual truth because humans rarely if ever fit into neat little boxes such as "good" or "bad"?

Not sure about this. Fortunately, I know a lot of good people. And unfortunately, some bad people too

Throw in the ugly and you could make a movie out of it.

 

[WDIK2]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Can't be a HOF golfer settling for Parr. Have to chase the birds. Suddenly it all makes sense.

 

[eoMMan]

Bad. Sad to see people (even in the FFA) root for him because he’s a great athlete.

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

I wouldn't judge him just because he's bad at relationships. Don't think that makes him either "bad" or "good"
I'd have a beer with him but wouldn't go out of my way to do so.

He's had a strange life, think its probably fair to say, he's a bit weird

 

[tri-man 47]

I think it's tough to label anyone "good" or "bad" unless they live a life like Mother Teresa or Nelson Mandela.... or conversely, Adolph Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer etc.

For most people they lie somewhere near the middle of the bell curve of good to bad.

As far as most billionaires go? I'd say Tiger is probably better than most. He didn't get rich by exploiting workers and backstabbing former business partners. He got rich by hitting a little white ball better than anyone in history. His transgressions as a person happened because he just happened to be a famous guy who couldn't keep his penis in his pants. Shocker.

I suspect this latest news is nothing more than a money grab by someone who used to live like the rest of us that got a peek into how the 1% live and doesn't want to go back. Her NDA means she can't write a book about her time with Tiger. I'm sure there's been millions offered already for that by the seedy publishing companies wanting to make a quick buck. If she gets it dropped, even if she has nothing more than a mundane tale to tell, she locks in some more years of luxury. Not hard to see IMO, nor surprising to see her attempt it.

Ummm.... I got news for you...

'The Dark Side of Mother Teresa'

foreignpolicy.com

Mother Teresa 'romanticized poverty?'

<Tiger> "See, that's why I don't tip." </Tiger>

 

[chet]

Overall good.

Had issues and demons but overall good

I go back and forth on this one. Did you watch the HBO doc on him? I think that influenced a lot of my opinion about him. Loyalty is something I value in my relationships with others and he scores low there. He treated people like disposable razors.

But, he has done a LOT for the game of golf, for charity and has come back from adversity so many times, the epitome of making the most out of 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances...

But what are we about to learn about this new bombshell related to his breakup? Sexual abuse? It's going to get ugly for a guy who has already eaten a ton of mud related to his sexual transgressions.

One of my friends dated one of his harem. She said he was nasty in bed FWIW. He used to contact her every day before the story broke.

Keeping this conversation FFA-friendly... you mean like "nasty" in that he was aggressive and rough?

 

[belljr]

So court documents show Tiger offered to put her up in hotel and gave her money to look for new home.

Also lawyer speak is saying she's suing the trust instead of him to get around nda.....

*Allegedly

 

[massraider]

So court documents show Tiger offered to put her up in hotel and gave her money to look for new home.

Also lawyer speak is saying she's suing the trust instead of him to get around nda.....

*Allegedly

Seems like Tiger's taste in women has not improved.

Allegedly

 

[Harry Frogfish]

He’s a notoriously poor tipper. Stories on him stiffing or under tipping the service industry go back decades. I can’t go good guy just because of that.

Big fan of this story

One anecdote in particular stands out, though. From Thompson:

Then there's the story of the lunch, which spread throughout the Naval Special Warfare community. Guys still tell it, almost a decade later. Tiger and a group of five or six went to a diner in La Posta. The waitress brought the check and the table went silent, according to two people there that day. Nobody said anything and neither did Tiger, and the other guys sort of looked at one another.

Finally one of the SEALs said, "Separate checks, please."

The waitress walked away.

"We are all baffled," says one SEAL, a veteran of numerous combat deployments. "We are sitting there with Tiger f---ing Woods, who probably makes more than all of us combined in a day. He's shooting our ammo, taking our time. He's a weird f---ing guy. That's weird s---. Something's wrong with you."

This.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

He's black but not Thai, it seems.

BTW, has he ever dated a black woman?

 

[The General]

Who gets an NDA for their girlfrind

A billionaire

Who sells merch and is sponsored by giant brands.

 

[flapgreen]

Seems like a pretty big jerk, but I loved him as a golfer and enjoyed watching him all those years. Never really think about athletes or actors in their real lives, unless they just openly beat you over the head with it.

 

[ghostguy123]

Imagine the level of celebrity starting so young. I know I would personally go nuts and probably have punched hundreds of idiot reporters, paparazzi, people yelling "get in the hole"......and this is while trying to buy milk at the supermarket.
It's a completely F'd up way to try and develop as a human.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

Moved into a really nice condo effectively just off campus when I was ~27. This area also very close to Old Town Scottsdale, which is basically like the place in the Phoenix area for attractive single professionals. It was incredible. Like fish in a barrel. Attractive girls everywhere. I had buddies driving three hours just to hang out at my condo's pool and its accompanying eye candy.

Of course, I met my wife (a Sun Devil alumna) like three weeks in and totally pulled a Tiger by marrying one of the first attractive Sun Devils to let me do some fun stuff to her. So, in the context of Tiger and his life choices, I again "get it."

My wife loves to remind me that my condo that I had in my prime totally went to waste since I wound up spending most of my time during that lease at her place anyway and, of course, I didn't get to carnally know any further coeds or female alumni thereafter.

I did not anticipate this turning into a Woz thread.

 

[belljr]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

Moved into a really nice condo effectively just off campus when I was ~27. This area also very close to Old Town Scottsdale, which is basically like the place in the Phoenix area for attractive single professionals. It was incredible. Like fish in a barrel. Attractive girls everywhere. I had buddies driving three hours just to hang out at my condo's pool and its accompanying eye candy.

Of course, I met my wife (a Sun Devil alumna) like three weeks in and totally pulled a Tiger by marrying one of the first attractive Sun Devils to let me do some fun stuff to her. So, in the context of Tiger and his life choices, I again "get it."

My wife loves to remind me that my condo that I had in my prime totally went to waste since I wound up spending most of my time during that lease at her place anyway and, of course, I didn't get to carnally know any further coeds or female alumni thereafter.

I did not anticipate this turning into a Woz thread.

New here?

 

[Zow]

In most cases, I try not to judge actors or athletes on anything but what they do on the field/screen.

I know people love to say "well for that many millions, I'd be a better person..." bla bla bla. And while yes, the money helps, the pressure on them to stay at the level where they are getting that money must be immense. Then you add in the whole famous thing and living a normal life is very hard. I'm sure we have all fudged up at some point or did something we regret, we just don't have it plastered all over every newspaper, or social media outlet each time.

For athletes, their window of opportunity to make their money is very short overall, and there is always someone younger, better, faster, over their shoulder looking to take their job.

Likewise, we get to judge them b/c we can see them. I'm sure there are CEO's of major corporations that don't have that sexy celebrity status that are prob just as much a horrible human, but it doesn't stop us from buying their sneaker, or clothing, etc.

Just like we get used to living on a $XXX salary a year, they do as well, its just a different lifestyle.

You also have to factor in that not only is Woods very wealthy, but he's also very handsome. Wealth and good looks are two keys that unlock opportunities for all sorts of bad behavior by men. Fortunately for me, I'm saddled with neither, but I'm reluctant to say that I would resist temptation all that much better than others.

Eh, is he? I'd wager if he wasn't so good at hitting a small ball into a hole he never lands anything above an @offdee 8. (Wait, is Offdee off this board??)

I knew somebody who knew Tiger in college at Stanford who adamantly tells stories of an awkward Tiger striking out with women.

The money and fame helped him immensely in the dating department. Tiger's known sex life tale (pun intended), while I don't condone it, is completely understandable. He is unsuccessful mostly through college but gets a meteoric rise in fame as he bursts onto the pro golf scene. He then marries the first incredibly attractive girl he lands without then realizing that he could probably enjoy the next decade of sleeping with probably any girl he wanted (Derek Jeter hadn't created the playbook yet). Tiger then succumbs to the Chris Rock proposition that "a man is only as faithful as his options" and starts enjoying things with porn stars and Perkins' waitresses that his wife probably wouldn't do with him. That becomes fun, so that becomes more prominent.

Again, I'd like to think I wouldn't have done what Tiger did if I was in his shoes and would have remained faithful to my wife, and he messed up by not following Jeter's path of never committing in his prime, but I'd be lying if I said I don't at least understand it and that if Phoenix Marie and Bella Donna walked into my hotel room during a long trip away I can't 100% say I'd immediately kick them out. So, while I don't agree with his actions, it's hard for me to fault him too much for them in the context of whether he's a "bad' guy.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here. If you watched the HBO doc on Tiger, they get a great interview from his college GF. According to this, they dated three years:

Dina Parr is the runner-up for best interview subject through the first 90 minutes. She was Tiger’s first girlfriend, and gives anecdotal evidence about what he was like as a youngster. She claims Tiger’s parents weren’t big fans of her as she was a distraction from golf. When in college, Tiger lied to his parents about spending the night at Parr’s house.

“Tida and Earl, they were furious,” says Earl’s friend, Joe Grohman, a reoccurring figure in the film.

Next thing you know, Parr received a letter from Tiger ending their three-year relationship. It began, “Dina, the reason for writing this letter is to inform you my parents and myself never want to talk or hear from you again.”

The last sentence of the letter read, “I know this is sudden and a surprise, but it is in my opinion much warranted. Sincerely, Tiger.”

Not only does she speak about the letter — she reads it aloud on camera.

“I play it over and over in my mind,” Parr says. “It was like a death and I had to treat it like a death.

“His sweetness was stolen from him.”

Yeah I recall this. I'm not sure it's incongruent with my assessment. IIRC the girlfriend hasn't wasn't like supermodel hot or anything.

It's precisely incongruent to what you stated. You said he struck out with women in college. Dina Parr says she was in a three year relationship with Tiger. No, she wasn't supermodel hot, but did you see the line-up of women who came forward when this scandal broke? Not too many of them WERE supermodel hot. You ever been a to Perkins????

Dina Parr and Tiger

Parr was Tiger's high school sweetheart. He did not meet her in college.

My understanding of the anecdotal story is that Tiger would hit on girls at parties or other social events and get routinely shut down.

I have a feeling Stanford might be the toughest place on the planet to pull. He should have gone to Arizona State like Phil did.

Are you saying Sun Devils are easy pulls for wives?....

Best looking women on any college campus? That's what I hear. I should have visited before I started looking like Jim Gaffigan's less successful, fatter older brother.

Moved into a really nice condo effectively just off campus when I was ~27. This area also very close to Old Town Scottsdale, which is basically like the place in the Phoenix area for attractive single professionals. It was incredible. Like fish in a barrel. Attractive girls everywhere. I had buddies driving three hours just to hang out at my condo's pool and its accompanying eye candy.

Of course, I met my wife (a Sun Devil alumna) like three weeks in and totally pulled a Tiger by marrying one of the first attractive Sun Devils to let me do some fun stuff to her. So, in the context of Tiger and his life choices, I again "get it."

My wife loves to remind me that my condo that I had in my prime totally went to waste since I wound up spending most of my time during that lease at her place anyway and, of course, I didn't get to carnally know any further coeds or female alumni thereafter.

I did not anticipate this turning into a Woz thread.

New here?

I was trying to go back a decade in time.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Who even marries the nanny in the first place? Sheesh.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Who even marries the nanny in the first place? Sheesh.

I agree, especially a former model who has a twin sister.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Who even marries the nanny in the first place? Sheesh.

It never works out in those Lifetime Network movies.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Unrelated to anything here, I just enrolled at SDSU

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Unrelated to anything here, I just enrolled at SDSU

heart doctors down there are rejoicing