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Tiger Woods (2 Viewers)

Those 5 are some long ### holes. I can see a ham & egger like Eldrick bogeying them.

Can't drive - check.

Can't putt anymore - check.

Ham & egger - check

 
Definitely one of the best players in the world. Just not for the last two months or so.

He really plays awesome at firestone, torrey pines and bay hill though.

Stenson is probably the best in the world right now. He'll win a major next year.

 
zoonation said:
Tiger wins player of the year award today.

With 5 wins he deserved it, no doubt.
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It most likely was him or Stenson. I think if Adam Scott would of won the FedEx cup he may of been the one as well but the 5 wins most likely did it..

 
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.

 
BobbyLayne said:
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.
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I thought Mickelson had 3 wins?

Phoenix Open

Scottish Open

British Open

Plus a runner-up at the US Open.

Tiger still probably had the better season overall, but its pretty close.

 
Joe T said:
BobbyLayne said:
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.
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I thought Mickelson had 3 wins?

Phoenix Open

Scottish Open

British Open

Plus a runner-up at the US Open.

Tiger still probably had the better season overall, but its pretty close.
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Open Championship is part of the PGA Tour season

Scottish is part of the European Tour Season

 
BobbyLayne said:
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.
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I'd argue that winning the FedEx cup & pretty much better than Woods in the Majors this year put him close.. Woods still had a good overall season but it was close with Stenson

 
Kuz said:
BobbyLayne said:
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.
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I'd argue that winning the FedEx cup & pretty much better than Woods in the Majors this year put him close.. Woods still had a good overall season but it was close with Stenson
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If the award was for the guy playing the best in Sept then yeah.

 
Breaking News: During an interview after winning his third match at the Presidents' Cup, Tiger openly admits to "ham and egging it."

 
BobbyLayne said:
Kuz said:
BobbyLayne said:
The nominees were Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, Stenson and Tiger. Not much doubt about who had the best overall season.

That's 5 of the top 6 money winners (Snedeker at #5 didn't get a nomination), and the other four guys had two wins each. Woods had five, including the Players.
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I'd argue that winning the FedEx cup & pretty much better than Woods in the Majors this year put him close.. Woods still had a good overall season but it was close with Stenson
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If the award was for the guy playing the best in Sept then yeah.
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Stenson wasn't just a September this year. Second-half, maybe, but he was playing incredibly well heading into September, too.

 
johnnyrock62000 said:
Apple Jack said:
Zow said:
Breaking News: During an interview after winning his third match at the Presidents' Cup, Tiger openly admits to "ham and egging it."
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I laughed.
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Tiger read this thread and was putting a secret shout-out to FBG.
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Frankly, given Tiger's nature, I wouldn't be shocked to hear that he periodically googles himself, got a link to this thread, and wanted to shtick it to all the morons saying he's done.

 
Chamblee gives Tiger an "F".

http://news.yahoo.com/chamblee-stands-cheating-implication-woods-163920133--spt.html

Personally, although I don't like Tiger Woods because of his disrespect for the game, I think it goes a little far to call him a cheater (which Chamblee does not do). I think that Tiger has given himself the benefit of the doubt sometimes, and has not been as knowledgeable about the rules as he should have been. But I don't thinks he's deliberately cheated.

 
DiStefano said:
Chamblee gives Tiger an "F".

http://news.yahoo.com/chamblee-stands-cheating-implication-woods-163920133--spt.html

Personally, although I don't like Tiger Woods because of his disrespect for the game, I think it goes a little far to call him a cheater (which Chamblee does not do). I think that Tiger has given himself the benefit of the doubt sometimes, and has not been as knowledgeable about the rules as he should have been. But I don't thinks he's deliberately cheated.
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His ex wife disagrees with you.

 
TheIronSheik said:
DiStefano said:
Chamblee gives Tiger an "F".

http://news.yahoo.com/chamblee-stands-cheating-implication-woods-163920133--spt.html

Personally, although I don't like Tiger Woods because of his disrespect for the game, I think it goes a little far to call him a cheater (which Chamblee does not do). I think that Tiger has given himself the benefit of the doubt sometimes, and has not been as knowledgeable about the rules as he should have been. But I don't thinks he's deliberately cheated.
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His ex wife disagrees with you.
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:shrug: He was just playing them as they lay

 
Lulz at this thread hanging on Chamblee. The Mods should move the Brady MVP thread over here. Give you guys something else to do.

 
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A pair of jumper cables walk into a bar and order a beer.“OK,” says the bartender, “but don’t start anything.”

That brings us to Tiger Woods’ selectively indignant — or highly forgetful — agent, Mark Steinberg, who has been boldly threatening to sue golf pro and Golf Channel analyst Brandel Chamblee unless he unconditionally retracts his claim, made in a website column, that Woods holds a “cavalier” regard for golf’s rules, and reminds him of a fourth-grader caught cheating on a test.

Wednesday on the Golf Channel, Chamblee said he should have left it with Woods’ “cavalier” treatment of rules. He apologized to Woods for that, via Twitter.

So the legal ball is now back in Steinberg/Woods’ court.

Now if that happens, if Team Tiger sues Chamblee on behalf of Woods, Woods’ next move should be to find himself a new rep firm.

Ya see, the last thing that Tiger Woods & Co. should want is to force Woods to swear to tell the truth — not commit perjury — in a defamation suit, a civil suit brought by Woods and a suit in which Woods would have to both establish and defend his character.

In other words, certain curious matters would be brought up by the defense.

For example, why, on more than three occasions, was since-convicted Canadian HGH doctor Anthony Galea flown to Florida to treat Woods? What, exactly, could and did Dr. Galea do for Woods that others — local doctors or doctors from New York to Los Angeles couldn’t — or wouldn’t?

If I were Chamblee’s lawyer, I’d be eager to put such questions to Woods.

Then, as another matter of character, Woods would be asked if his serial cheating on his now ex-wife doesn’t reflect on his character, doesn’t establish him as, well, a cheater.

As for matters of cheating at golf, that, too, might be something Team Woods should be eager to avoid.

While golf’s often open to one’s personal interpretation of both the rules and cheating, it’s clear Woods was first given a sense of excessive entitlement, and he then came to both expect and enjoy a sense of excessive self-entitlement.

Even as an amateur, the rules were abused for Woods; implausible denials never were even solicited. While amateurs are not allowed to hire agents, Steinberg’s previous monster firm, IMG, funded Woods’ far-flung amateur career by hiring Woods’ father as a “talent scout.” Earl Woods scouted one talent, his son.

But the USGA, surely pleased to have an African-American star on the horizon to help eliminate golf’s racially exclusionary image, just let it go.

And on the day Woods turned pro he immediately was delivered to IMG, indicating the rep deal was long ago negotiated. Heck, IMG already had Nike producing Woods ads that appeared within days of Woods declaring himself a pro.

Early in his pro career, the PGA and the media added to Woods’ sense that the rules do not apply to him.

In the 1999 Phoenix Open, Woods’ shot stopped directly behind a boulder. About a dozen yahoos in the gallery then gathered to shove that boulder clear of the ball. Woods, adhering to the spirit of the rules, should’ve stopped them. He didn’t.

The PGA then determined that it was, well, OK, that a boulder, which needed a dozen men just to shove, was a “loose impediment,” like a twig or a pebble. Preposterous.

But the media and TV showed and told that episode as a matter of fun, evidence of Woods’ popularity, when it likely solidified a growing sense within Woods that, like those boulder-pushers, golf can take its rule book and shove it.

Issues and interpretations have followed. In September, how Woods missed the fact his ball moved while he was leaning over it, his hand inches from it as he removed genuine loose impediments from beside it, well …

But that’s not to say that rules haven’t always been a matter of who.

Larry Ziegler and Tom Shaw, two fairly successful PGA tourists into the mid-1970s, once sat in a club’s grill room, telling stories of how, even on the Senior Tour, there are “rules and rulings for us” and “rules and rulings for Gary Player.” They didn’t blame Player. “That’s just the way it is.”

They knew no one paid to watch them win.

So, if that’s the way it was and that’s the way it is, agent Steinberg would be well-counseled to let this one go, that is, unless he’s out to prove that Brandel Chamblee’s original claim that Tiger Woods is a cheater has enough merit to be a matter of opinion.
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There was never going to be a lawsuit for exactly that reason and everybody knew it. It was just their way of demonstrating to the Golf Channel how pissed off Tiger was and letting them know that if BC didn't apologize he'd hold it against them.

Is Tiger defiant? Yes. Is he entitled? Sure. Is he a cheater? I don't think so. It's always been obvious that Chamblee is a judgmental ##### and it only got worse after 11/09. Dude's up way too high on his horse for a guy who talks about others for a living.

And Gary Player didn't have HD video being taken of every shot he plays.

 
Apple Jack said:
There was never going to be a lawsuit for exactly that reason and everybody knew it. It was just their way of demonstrating to the Golf Channel how pissed off Tiger was and letting them know that if BC didn't apologize he'd hold it against them.

Is Tiger defiant? Yes. Is he entitled? Sure. Is he a cheater? I don't think so. It's always been obvious that Chamblee is a judgmental ##### and it only got worse after 11/09. Dude's up way too high on his horse for a guy who talks about others for a living.

And Gary Player didn't have HD video being taken of every shot he plays.
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It depends on how you define cheater. Tiger is most certainly a cheater, ask his ex-wife. Someone with the morals to justify cheating on a spouse, would certainly not be above cheating on the golf course, by bending rules or using PEDs.

The scorched earth defense, and threatening to sue anyone who disparages him reminds me of Lance Armstrong. They both have that same mentality.

 
Nobody in their right mind has any business using the word "failure" in combination with a five win season, particularly with the five events he won. Tiger can do it (though he hasn't), but anybody else saying it is a fool.

 
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Apple Jack said:
DiStefano said:
lod01 said:
We got 3 months before this thread gets hot again. Anything before that is just a ham and egger win.
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True. But the Tiger ###lickers will always be with us.
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Please keep sharing your keen insights, such as how one of the best seasons played on the PGA tour in the last 40 years was a failure.
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Perhaps the phrase "by his own reckoning" is beyond your comprehension. I think there is a good argument to be made that Tiger is the greatest golfer ever. However...

"So, yes, you could argue that Woods – even though he has 14 major championships to Nicklaus’ 18 – is the best ever.

But I don’t think that argument is viable, and here’s why: Tiger Woods personally set the guidelines. When he was a kid, he had a poster on his wall of Jack Nicklaus and those 18 major championships. That was the grail. Woods can win 100 PGA Tour events and win $500 million and dominate the game for another decade, but unless he gets to 19 majors, the journey is incomplete. And nobody understands this more clearly than Tiger Woods himself."

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/joe-posnanski/will-woods-break-nicklaus-majors-record/

 
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