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Tiger Woods (3 Viewers)

Yes, naively. He wasn't raised with the social exposure most have. And his hero, mentor, and father was a massive philanderer. Shocking that he'd have such indiscretion in his youth.

He didn't marry a chick who was okay with it. He was naive.

 
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Serious Twilight Zone level #### going on in here now with you jellycocks. Enjoy the thread.

 
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What's off about that?

ETA: I'm not condoning what he did. I'm just saying I can connect the dots. Especially, when you throw in Nike wanting him to cozy up with Michael Jordan.

 
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Have we reached the point yet where we talk about a) Woods' rep for being a cheap tipper (see: he tips nothing), and B) his "I don't carry cash" excuse for not tipping?

 
joffer said:
Tiger came back early to try to make the Ryder Cup....period. If you don't get this you're not really trying.
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That is a load of crap, he came back early to play in two majors on courses he has had success. I'm sure the Ryder Cup is important to Tiger but it pales in comparison to him winning more majors.

 
Need a "Tiger Woods- Golfer" thread and a "Tiger Woods- Human Being" thread

I dont tune in Sunday to see parenting tips or how to be a good husband. I tune in to see 300 yard drives, flopodopolouses, and clutch 12 footers.

 
derek245583 said:
Need a "Tiger Woods- Golfer" thread and a "Tiger Woods- Human Being" thread

I dont tune in Sunday to see parenting tips or how to be a good husband. I tune in to see 300 yard drives, flopodopolouses, and clutch 12 footers.
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1) 300 yard drives but what direction nobody knows

2) Clutch 12 footers? For bogey maybe

 
ghostguy123 said:
It's so comical the Tiger haters have to get on here and bash them mercilessly after he was the greatest player ever for like.............15 years straight.

You guys remind me of the idiots in my dynasty leagues who never said a word until they FINALLY won a couple playoff games like 10 years into it, then all of a sudden threw out a barage of insults and smack talk on the message boards.

And you will be just like those same idiots who shut the F up when they sucked it up the very next year, just like you will be shutting up "IF" Tiger wins any more big tournaments. But.............as long as he isn't winning, we will expect to hear from you. But oh boy, if he wins...............you will turn into a bunch of little church mice.

Always a nice dynamic.
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Big Tiger fan in the past but I've come close to being a hater because of his antics the last couple of years. The grimmacing, the withdrawals, still dropping the driver after spraying a shot, f-bombs... The implication with his attitude is "I'm still the greatest but I'm fighting through the most challenging set of physical and personal barriers any person has had in the history of mankind.". It's all so dramatic.

 
It takes unusual focus and intensity to be the best at something. Sometimes that makes a person so self absorbed they do not see how their behavior effects those around them. Golf and tennis have seen themselves as gentlemen's sports. The mythical ethos is gentlemanly behavior. To a great extent Tiger has violated this ethos with his swearing, sulking, and banging of clubs. He is not quite the equivalent of John McEnroe back in the day, but he approaches it. This allows criticism, invites it even since to whom much is given much is expected. Tiger was given substantial support because golf wanted to prove it was not a white man's game alone. Golf embraced him quickly, maybe too quickly. A myth developed that he was not only a superior physical golfer, but that he embodied the golf ethos. When he showed that he did not folks always saw his behavior as the exception to who he was rather than part of his core personality. Eventually reality caught up with the denial. Folks feel foolish and betrayed. Thus haters.

Great golfer, not worthy of hero worship or being a role model for kids, though I admit to some jealousy of his wealth and his stable of women (not all since he seems to dig the skanks, but some of his stable).

I do think he will have a resurgence in golf yet and will get 2 more majors. His dominance I think is gone, but he remains potentially quite excellent for a few more years.

 
Tiger may have to learn when to leave

By DOUG FERGUSON (AP Golf Writer)
8 hours ago
AP - Sports

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- Tiger Woods is no longer being compared with Jack Nicklaus.

Now the reference is to the great Willie Mays falling down in center field trying to catch a fly ball. Or to Joe Louis entering the ring one time too many - and leaving it through the ropes after getting knocked out by Rocky Marciano.

Those were sad moments in sports.

As bad as Woods looked over two days at the PGA Championship, it would be premature to say this was another one.

But it sure looked that way.

Really, was it any worse than three years ago at the PGA Championship?

Woods missed two majors in the summer of 2011 to let his leg injuries heal, the ones that caused him to withdraw after nine holes and a 42 at The Players Championship. He returned to finish 18 shots out of the lead at Firestone and then missed the cut at the PGA Championship by six shots.

He was 35. Now he's 38.

It had been three years since he last won a major. Now it's six.

He had played only one event heading into the final major of the year in 2011, never shot worse than 72 and tied for 37th.

This time, Woods was returning from back surgery that kept him out of the Masters and U.S. Open. He had three starts before the final major - including the British Open. He missed the cut by four shots, had his worst 72-hole finish in a major and withdrew from the final round at Firestone with a different back injury. And then he waited until the last day to show up at Valhalla, played nine holes of practice and couldn't beat five club pros.

Woods said he was pain-free after playing nine holes Wednesday. He said his back was a little stiff after a 74 on Thursday. And he said his back ''went out on me'' on the range and ''I just had to play through it'' on his way to another 74.

''I didn't really notice that,'' Phil Mickelson said when asked about Woods' injury. ''I just noticed that really on the greens the ball wasn't going in the hole.''

Ouch.

The trouble assessing injuries is that only the athlete knows how bad it hurts. It's even more complicated when the athlete - Woods - isn't forthcoming about it.

Is this the end? Not yet.

But it most likely is the end of Woods as golf once knew him. The end of a guy who once won seven out of 11 majors, and who got to 79 wins on the PGA Tour more quickly than anyone in history.

Woods always talked about his pursuit of Nicklaus and the record 18 professional majors as a marathon. He's approaching Heartbreak Hill with four knee surgeries and back problems that keep cropping up.

Golf is the one sport you can play forever, which makes it the toughest sport from which to retire.

That might be Woods' next big challenge.

Nine years ago in the parking lot at Doral, as Woods was about to embark on his next great run in the majors, he said he wouldn't be on tour forever.

''I'll definitely quit the game earlier than people think,'' Woods said. ''The only reason I would play is the occasional tournament if my son is good enough to be out there, and he chooses to play.''

This was four years before his son was born.

''When my best isn't good enough to win anymore, I'm walking,'' Woods said. ''I've won tournaments when I wasn't playing my best. If I play my best and don't win, there's no reason to be out here.''

They all say that. But how do they really know?

Football players lose a step. A great hitter doesn't see the ball quite as well.

Golfers don't make as many putts.

''You'll know when I'm not able to produce any more,'' Woods said that day. ''I don't lie. When I play well, I tell you guys. When I haven't played well, I'll tell you.''

All he could say Friday afternoon at Valhalla was, ''I tried as hard as I could. That's all I've got.''

He is four PGA Tour wins away from breaking the record of Sam Snead (82). He is five majors away from breaking the major championship record by Nicklaus (18). Woods has been stuck on 14 majors since 2008 at the U.S. Open.

Woods did win five times last year before back trouble began to take its toll. Don't give up on him just yet. But each year he gets older, and someone new comes along. Rory McIlroy played his first pro event in America the same week Woods returned from reconstructive knee surgery. Jordan Spieth showed up in a big way last year.

It's not getting any easier.

The plan for Woods was to spend his time off getting stronger in his core muscles. Woods talks about not burning the candle at both ends - working in the gym and working at golf. His biggest rival now might be time. Either way, the wax is melting.
 
When it's all said and done, I wonder what he'd do if someone offered him the chance to go back and retire after that one-legged win against Rocco in 2008.

 
He's 38 and is still recovering from surgery. Tom Watson was in a playoff for the British Open at 59. Might want to hold off on popping champagne just yet.

 
DiStefano said:
Apple Jack said:
He's 38 and is still recovering from surgery. Tom Watson was in a playoff for the British Open at 59. Might want to hold off on popping champagne just yet.
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Nuthuggers never give up.
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He's kinda right though. He has another 20 years of competing still. However instead of being great, Woods now needs to be lucky to win majors. He has to change his game. He's not the long hitter anymore. He can't put it in the fairway. He also needs to realize that he must play competitive golf more than 15 times a year. Grind it out, take your weekly beatdowns. The Tiger you were is long gone.

 
Folks be hatin because he was the African King of golf, which has always been the sport of rich crackers.

Mmmmm...Ritz cracker....

 
My favorite thing I saw was this morning on FoxSports Live one of the golf guys said, "With Rory looking for the Grand Slam at Augusta next year, it'll be interesting to see him and Tiger battle it out."

:mellow:

Umm. Tiger who? :confused:

 
WhatDoIKnow said:
lod01 said:
DiStefano said:
Apple Jack said:
He's 38 and is still recovering from surgery. Tom Watson was in a playoff for the British Open at 59. Might want to hold off on popping champagne just yet.
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Nuthuggers never give up.
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He's kinda right though. He has another 20 years of competing still. However instead of being great, Woods now needs to be lucky to win majors. He has to change his game. He's not the long hitter anymore. He can't put it in the fairway. He also needs to realize that he must play competitive golf more than 15 times a year. Grind it out, take your weekly beatdowns. The Tiger you were is long gone.
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He needs to get mentally and physically healed up first, but you are correct. Conditioning and pharmaceuticals are much better than they were 40 years ago. Not reason to think he can't be competitive in majors well into his late 40s early 50s if he gets his body and mind straightened out.
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I think he needs strange. When he was dominating, he was cheating on his wife with like 20 different women. Maybe now that he's loyal to the Lindsay skieer girl, he's been slacking. He should pull a Rory and break up with his girl and just start wearing the women out.

 
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Phil gets it:

Mickelson still does not have a top-10 finish in 2014 on the PGA Tour, but is looking forward to the next few events. He wants to earn enough points to make it onto the Ryder Cup -- he's never had to be a captain's pick going back to his first team in 1995.

And he feels great about his chances at Valhalla in Louisville, site of the PGA Championship. Lefty came into the Open outside of the top nine automatic qualifying places for the Ryder Cup, the cutoff coming after the PGA in three weeks.

"It does matter to me," he said. "It's been 19 years now that I've made it on my own and I think it's a record of consistency to play that well to make the team on your own without being a pick for almost two decades. And I'd like to keep that streak going.

"I think if I continue to play the way I did this week, and I believe I will, over in Akron, over in the PGA. ... I think that would be enough to get in on my own. If I don't get in on my own, I don't know if I played well enough this year to deserve a spot. So you want players that are hot, that are playing well. And I need to step up and start doing that."
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Glad to see Phil make the team on his own :thumbup:

 
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.

 
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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Interesting but I don't see it. I don't see Tiger being Ryder Cup Captain, playing the Champion's Tour, doing anything that many of the older legends happily do after they aren't really competitive anymore. He doesn't seem to be part of the 'Tour' with the other players. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
mr roboto said:
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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Interesting but I don't see it. I don't see Tiger being Ryder Cup Captain, playing the Champion's Tour, doing anything that many of the older legends happily do after they aren't really competitive anymore. He doesn't seem to be part of the 'Tour' with the other players. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't see it happening either. Though of those things, I can definitely see him being a captain down the road. Maybe even a playing captain before long.

 
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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That's the thing about Tiger: That's not who he is. He never was. Even when I was a huge fan of Tiger, I would never imagine him doing this. Tiger is all about himself. I'd hope that in his current state, he'd make Watson's job easy and just say, "No thanks", but we'll see. I think the only people pulling for Tiger to be put on the team are The Golf Channel, ESPN, NBC and all of Europe.

 
I also withdrew myself from the consideration for the Ryder Cup today. So probably that's why I won't end up getting picked.

 
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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I hope he doesn't pick Stricker. He hurt us in 2012 IIRC.

 
Jayrok said:
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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I hope he doesn't pick Stricker. He hurt us in 2012 IIRC.
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I seriously hope he doesn't pick Stricker either. I wanna see younger players who don't have a losing stigma hanging over them and that have energy. Is Keegan Bradley on the team or would he be a captain's pick? A guy like that is much preferred by me than a Steve Stricker type. Bradley has the enthusiasm and fiery demeanor that Ian Poulter does. We need that.

 
T J said:
Jayrok said:
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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I hope he doesn't pick Stricker. He hurt us in 2012 IIRC.
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I seriously hope he doesn't pick Stricker either. I wanna see younger players who don't have a losing stigma hanging over them and that have energy. Is Keegan Bradley on the team or would he be a captain's pick? A guy like that is much preferred by me than a Steve Stricker type. Bradley has the enthusiasm and fiery demeanor that Ian Poulter does. We need that.
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Stricker is the 3rd assistant captain and Watson told him to bring his clubs just in case :unsure:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/watson-stricker-bring-your-clubs-scotland/

Surprisingly good move by Tiger to withdraw himself. Now Watson can assemble without that hanging over his head. IMO, won't matter, US is going to get creamed.

 
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T J said:
Jayrok said:
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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I hope he doesn't pick Stricker. He hurt us in 2012 IIRC.
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I seriously hope he doesn't pick Stricker either. I wanna see younger players who don't have a losing stigma hanging over them and that have energy. Is Keegan Bradley on the team or would he be a captain's pick? A guy like that is much preferred by me than a Steve Stricker type. Bradley has the enthusiasm and fiery demeanor that Ian Poulter does. We need that.
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The best putter in the world type?

 
T J said:
Jayrok said:
Apple Jack said:
Speaking of blown minds, he should flip the script, suggest Watson pick Stricker - who would absolutely have made the team if he played a normal schedule - and offer up his own services as an assistant captain.
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I hope he doesn't pick Stricker. He hurt us in 2012 IIRC.
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I seriously hope he doesn't pick Stricker either. I wanna see younger players who don't have a losing stigma hanging over them and that have energy. Is Keegan Bradley on the team or would he be a captain's pick? A guy like that is much preferred by me than a Steve Stricker type. Bradley has the enthusiasm and fiery demeanor that Ian Poulter does. We need that.
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Keegan would have to be a captain's pick I believe. Good point on the enthusiasm of Poulter. Love his intensity and I'd like for us to have a guy like him on the USA squad. I wish Dufner was healthy. He still may be picked but he's had a neck injury.

Kucher is on the team but he withdrew from the PGA last week.

 
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