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Tiger Woods (2 Viewers)

Joe T said:
So he finished the Waste Management Open in 132nd place and is still 3-1 to win a major this year?

ETA - 10-1 to win the masters (only behind Rory in odds to win)
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He's become the Chicago Cubs of golf. Neither will ever win, but lots of idiots like to throw money at it so they can say they did on the off chance that it actually happens

 
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- Tiger Woods, coming off an 82 for his worst round as a pro, will be out of the top 50 in the world ranking for the first time in more than three years.

And if he doesn't turn his game around quickly, he will be ineligible for a World Golf Championship for only the second time in his career.
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Until Tiger signs up for 25+ tournaments a year he's not going to get better. He can hit balls, chip, and putt all day in his backyard. Having hacked it around on the mini-tours before finding out shooting high 60s ain't close, one thing I defeinitely learned was you can't get better on a range. Got to get out there and play, and Tiger doesn't play near enough to get his game in order.

 
I didn't see the low-light reel of his 2nd round play until today but holy moly that was hard to watch.

It is worth searching for to view it; he looked worse than a 27 handicap hacker out there. Seriously.

 
Teddy Stickles said:
I didn't see the low-light reel of his 2nd round play until today but holy moly that was hard to watch.

It is worth searching for to view it; he looked worse than a 27 handicap hacker out there. Seriously.
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He did some good things out there. He's close. It's coming together.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Until Tiger signs up for 25+ tournaments a year he's not going to get better. He can hit balls, chip, and putt all day in his backyard. Having hacked it around on the mini-tours before finding out shooting high 60s ain't close, one thing I defeinitely learned was you can't get better on a range. Got to get out there and play, and Tiger doesn't play near enough to get his game in order.
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Very true. I'm a 7 handi but nothing beats playing your way into playing good. Way to many situations on the golf course that you never see on the range. IMO

 
I can understand having issues from the tee and fairway, since he's rusty and tinkering with a new swing. But it's bizarre to see him muffing little chips and pitches like some weekend hacker. That stuff should be like riding a bicycle for someone of his caliber. It's like Peyton Manning forgetting how to throw a spiral.

 
McGarnicle said:
I can understand having issues from the tee and fairway, since he's rusty and tinkering with a new swing. But it's bizarre to see him muffing little chips and pitches like some weekend hacker. That stuff should be like riding a bicycle for someone of his caliber. It's like Peyton Manning forgetting how to throw a spiral.
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He's always said he approaches his short game rooted in the same mechanics that he delivers the club in his full swing. That doesn't make sense to many people other than him. But this is a perfect demonstration of his stubborness in that regard. Any 20 handicap can half-###, dead-arm feel their way into getting the ball within 15 feet from most of the spots he was chipping from. It really is strange.

 
Lutherman2112 said:
Didn't want to start a thread about it; several different camera shots of the crowd.

Watch Phoenix Open crowd shower 16th hole with beer after Francesco Molinari ace

:lol:
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Nice link! I have never seen anything like that at a professional golf event by a long stretch. I thought the Aussies at the Australian Open were a bit rowdy but damn, that is crazy.

Look at his swing, his confidence, the swag... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EduujxPmRJA

Hard to believe that was 18 years ago. Same hole, same event. Love the stadium enclosure... feels like a gladiator pit.

 
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This is not rust people. This is an historic meltdown. Would be like Michael Jordan not being able to make a layup.

His overal swing is a mess. Nick Faldo nailed it - he's still dropping his head a foot on the downswing and can't release the club. He's getting stuck and all you can do from there is block or hook. That can be fixed.

His short game on the other hand - I've never seen this from a golfer of his caliber. Players with great short games almost never lose that facet of the game. Tiger can't make good contact with a chip. He's missing his landing spot by 20 feet in some cases and can't control trajectory either. On top of that, his putting is way off as well. He used to charge every putt and roll it by 2 feet if he missed. Now he's lagging and leaving 20 footers short.

It may become a story when he makes a cut. Seriously. He's not doing anything even average right now, and amateurs are thumping him by 10+ strokes let alone pros. I think Butch is right.

 
Yeah, his awful chipping and skulling bunker shots is not rust. It's in his head. I would tell Tiger to have some booze in his system and his bag during rounds. Helps me relax on the course and I'm not playing on tv.

 
I played TPC Scottsdale about a decade ago with some buddies ... 104-degree heat at 8:45 a.m. tee time in July.

So every year, I like to pull out the scorecard and see which pro I might have beaten on a given hole (yes, I know the course probably was set up a bit differently). Just never thought I would be comparing to Tiger ... or Phil.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I played TPC Scottsdale about a decade ago with some buddies ... 104-degree heat at 8:45 a.m. tee time in July.

So every year, I like to pull out the scorecard and see which pro I might have beaten on a given hole (yes, I know the course probably was set up a bit differently). Just never thought I would be comparing to Tiger ... or Phil.
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It looks like it would be either 650 yds less or about 1100 yds less depending on whether you played the blue or white tees. Slope rating is 11 less from the blues and 19 from the whites.

I would also think the pins were set up in easier spots.

Besides that, the comparison is pretty good.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
Dickie Dunn said:
I played TPC Scottsdale about a decade ago with some buddies ... 104-degree heat at 8:45 a.m. tee time in July.

So every year, I like to pull out the scorecard and see which pro I might have beaten on a given hole (yes, I know the course probably was set up a bit differently). Just never thought I would be comparing to Tiger ... or Phil.
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It looks like it would be either 650 yds less or about 1100 yds less depending on whether you played the blue or white tees. Slope rating is 11 less from the blues and 19 from the whites.

I would also think the pins were set up in easier spots.

Besides that, the comparison is pretty good.
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Like I said, just a goof thing I do every year, considering I couldn't hang within 40 strokes of a PGA Tour pro, no matter what course we were playing.

But thanks for taking it so seriously. :thumbup:

 
TobiasFunke said:
falguy said:
At what point does the media finally admit that he's average and stop building him up for every tournament? All week long we hear about Tiger this, Tiger that. He' s no longer the same Tiger, yet the media still makes him out to be. When do they bite the bullet and start pumping someone else, or other people? Until that happens there will be tons of people who revel in his failures. Me included. At this point the highlights still show him - even when he's redundant. It has to stop soon, right? Maybe shortly after he proves during Masters week that he's no better than average any longer?

Last year I stated (not on here, but to my friends) that he'd not win another major. Now I doubt that he'll ever win another tournament.
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I think you've got cause and effect backwards here. As long as people who otherwise would never tune in to a single second the first round of the Waste Management Classic are posting hole by hole updates of Tiger's round on the message board of a fantasy football website, they're gonna keep showing it. They don't care if it's hate-watching or curiosity, they're just catering to the audience.

Also, I'll take that bet on him winning another tournament. $500 he wins an event on the PGA calendar by the end of 2016?
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He'll have more DFLs than wins.

 
McGarnicle said:
I can understand having issues from the tee and fairway, since he's rusty and tinkering with a new swing. But it's bizarre to see him muffing little chips and pitches like some weekend hacker. That stuff should be like riding a bicycle for someone of his caliber. It's like Peyton Manning forgetting how to throw a spiral.
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Phil on Tiger's short game woes:

Phil Mickelson says he sympathizes with the short-game woes that are plaguingTiger Woods but feels it won't take long for him to emerge from those struggles.

Mickelson is playing in his hometown event on the PGA Tour -- the Farmers Insurance Open -- a tournament he has won three times while Woods has won it on seven occasions.

"I think that Tiger's going to have the last laugh,'' Mickelson said after the pro-am at Torrey Pines. "I think that his short game, historically, is one of the best of all time. I think his golf game is probably the best of all time.

"The short game, when you haven't played, it's the first thing to feel uncomfortable and the quickest thing to get back. I don't think he's going to have any problems, I really don't. We all, myself included, have had stretches where we feel a little uncomfortable, we don't hit it solid, and usually it's just a small tweak. Because it's such a short swing it's not a hard thing to fix. I just don't see that lasting more than a week or two.''
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So apparently on the range this morning Tiger was skulling irons left and right and Pat Perez had to help him. Ouch.

 
Serious question:

If the events that unfolded on that Thanksgiving night didn't happen, does this meltdown still occur? Or was this meltdown just inevitable due to the deterioration of his body?

I guess what I'm saying is, how much of this is mental as opposed to physical? 50/50?

 
TheIronSheik said:
Serious question:

If the events that unfolded on that Thanksgiving night didn't happen, does this meltdown still occur? Or was this meltdown just inevitable due to the deterioration of his body?

I guess what I'm saying is, how much of this is mental as opposed to physical? 50/50?
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For him, I'd say 80% mental.

 
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