Tim Rattay to the Bucs (1 Viewer)

[glumpy]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

Why do you think he can? It's an involved system; Simms has been in it for awhile now and has a better arm than Griese did according to reports, and Gruden has already expressed his interest in "win now" vs saving players for the later weeks (Caddy). I think this is purely filling the numbers with a pro who might take over--but not right now barring emergency.

That said--excellent move by the Bucs imo.

 

[Capella]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

As the other poster said, why do you think he could? It's a difficult system, Simms has been neck-deep in it for three years now, he has talent, a strong core around him and every single advantage save game experience over Rattay...and it won't be like he's taking his first NFL snaps in two weeks.I see no way Rattay starts at any point this season, unless Simms is terrible or gets hurt.

 

[1996patriots]

It shouldn't take too long for 6 yr vet who's an Ivy league grad (Dartmouth I think) to grasp new plays. I'm in a 2QB league and lost griese. I'm claiming 1. Garcia 2. Simms 3. Rattay. I could be in trouble w/ a platoon of frerotte and vinny T to go w/ brady.I think if they traded for him to start they'd have given more than a 6th rounder.Simms could get a quick hook if balls are sailing on him and he's throwing picks.

 

[Norseman]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

As the other poster said, why do you think he could? It's a difficult system, Simms has been neck-deep in it for three years now, he has talent, a strong core around him and every single advantage save game experience over Rattay...and it won't be like he's taking his first NFL snaps in two weeks.I see no way Rattay starts at any point this season, unless Simms is terrible or gets hurt.

 

[tmc94]

It shouldn't take too long for 6 yr vet who's an Ivy league grad (Dartmouth I think) to grasp new plays.

I'm in a 2QB league and lost griese. I'm claiming 1. Garcia 2. Simms 3. Rattay. I could be in trouble w/ a platoon of frerotte and vinny T to go w/ brady.

I think if they traded for him to start they'd have given more than a 6th rounder.

Simms could get a quick hook if balls are sailing on him and he's throwing picks.

When did Louisiana Tech join the Ivy League

 

[Hendo]

this is exactly how u set up your supposed future QB for disaster. maybe they didnt witness what happened to Tim Couch? David Carr? or Joey Harrington of late but u generaly dont want to throw your 1st overall pick to the wolves on a really bad team with no OL. smart move

 

[-OZ-]

where was Matt Millen is this deal? I would have given SF a 6th If I were him.

VERY But then, maybe Mooch didn't want him?

Yeah, well maybe we don't want MOOCH.

Maybe you don't now, but most Lions fans were thrilled to get him back then.When did a Cowboys fan get the right to talk for the Lions anyway?

 

[Serenity Now]

It shouldn't take too long for 6 yr vet who's an Ivy league grad (Dartmouth I think) to grasp new plays. 

I'm in a 2QB league and lost griese.  I'm claiming 1. Garcia 2. Simms 3. Rattay.  I could be in trouble w/ a platoon of frerotte and vinny T to go w/ brady.

I think if they traded for him to start they'd have given more than a 6th rounder.

Simms could get a quick hook if balls are sailing on him and he's throwing picks.

When did Louisiana Tech join the Ivy League

It was Jay Fiedler who went to Dartmouth.

 

[Jason Wood]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

As the other poster said, why do you think he could? It's a difficult system, Simms has been neck-deep in it for three years now, he has talent, a strong core around him and every single advantage save game experience over Rattay...and it won't be like he's taking his first NFL snaps in two weeks.I see no way Rattay starts at any point this season, unless Simms is terrible or gets hurt.

While I happen to agree with Capella that Simms is the guy and Rattay is the backup, one could certainly play Devil's Advocate here and point out that Brian Griese came into the Bucs "system" last year and flourished with very little time to get adjusted, so there's certainly precedent for a quick learning curve. And, Rattay has been schooled in the West Coast offense, which is, of course, the same base system that Gruden teaches.

 

[Capella]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

As the other poster said, why do you think he could? It's a difficult system, Simms has been neck-deep in it for three years now, he has talent, a strong core around him and every single advantage save game experience over Rattay...and it won't be like he's taking his first NFL snaps in two weeks.I see no way Rattay starts at any point this season, unless Simms is terrible or gets hurt.

While I happen to agree with Capella that Simms is the guy and Rattay is the backup, one could certainly play Devil's Advocate here and point out that Brian Griese came into the Bucs "system" last year and flourished with very little time to get adjusted, so there's certainly precedent for a quick learning curve. And, Rattay has been schooled in the West Coast offense, which is, of course, the same base system that Gruden teaches.

True, but Griese had the entire offseason. IIRC, he signed sometime early in the FA period, and at least had training camp and 5 weeks to get adjusted.

 

[azcards33]

I think that the guy on Tampa Bay that may benefit most from the acquisition of Tim Rattay is Alex Smith, the TERattay will always look for his TE when he is pressured or in trouble, many teams caught on to that in the second half of last season, which is why his numbers declined so much.Rattay was the guy responsible for making Eric Johnson a fantasy "stud" last season, I'll bet he does it again with Alex Smith in the second half of this season

 

[Bri]

isn't Simms a FA after this year? They gotta know what he's got. He'll at least play a few games(my guess)

 

[Bri]

No one's mentioned Dorsey...hmmmHe looked good in preseason this last summer. Maybe Nolan just figures he'll suffice as the backup, might as well get something for Rattay

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I think that the guy on Tampa Bay that may benefit most from the acquisition of Tim Rattay is Alex Smith, the TE

Rattay will always look for his TE when he is pressured or in trouble, many teams caught on to that in the second half of last season, which is why his numbers declined so much.

Rattay was the guy responsible for making Eric Johnson a fantasy "stud" last season, I'll bet he does it again with Alex Smith in the second half of this season

But Rattay didn't even notice his TEs this year. I think Johnson's success last year had much more to do with the fact that he's a really good receiver when healthy, and SF's WRs played like crap last year.

 

[3C's]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

Why don't you think Rattay can start week 8?

As the other poster said, why do you think he could? It's a difficult system, Simms has been neck-deep in it for three years now, he has talent, a strong core around him and every single advantage save game experience over Rattay...and it won't be like he's taking his first NFL snaps in two weeks.I see no way Rattay starts at any point this season, unless Simms is terrible or gets hurt.

While I happen to agree with Capella that Simms is the guy and Rattay is the backup, one could certainly play Devil's Advocate here and point out that Brian Griese came into the Bucs "system" last year and flourished with very little time to get adjusted, so there's certainly precedent for a quick learning curve. And, Rattay has been schooled in the West Coast offense, which is, of course, the same base system that Gruden teaches.

True, but Griese had the entire offseason. IIRC, he signed sometime early in the FA period, and at least had training camp and 5 weeks to get adjusted.

And Griese is extremely intelligent. He scored a 39 on the wonderlic. Average is around 20. Brady's was a 33. Big Ben was a 25.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone think Rattay was jumping for joy.BarlowBattleLloydor"Cadillac"ClaytonGallowayWhich would you rather play in...plus a defense that covers up mistakes...I think Rattay will start within a month and carry the Bucs to the playoffs.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

PLus Cappy, with the NFC being down, the Bucs defense is good enough to carry them pretty far into the playoffs...the West and North divisions do not offer much to take seriously...this is by far the best move the Bucs could have made...I wonder what they gave up? 2nd rounder? 3rd rounder?

 

[Capella]

sure are a lot of knee-jerk reactions in this thread. to be expected here, I guess.

Personally, I think this is the best move Bruce Allen has made yet for this franchise. Like it or not, the Bucs are a legit playoff team and they just took care of any season-destroying situations they would have faced had Simms got hurt or played terrible.

I've always thought Rattay was better than he got credit for, and he'll come into a situation where he doesn't have to start right away, and can work his way into learning the playbook and the system he is probably a little familiar with.

Fwiw, Simms is going to have to suck HARD to get replaced by Rattay. Keep in mind the kid has been here three years now and started the Saints game last year when Johnson went out. He's the starter. Rattay is the backup.

PLus Cappy, with the NFC being down, the Bucs defense is good enough to carry them pretty far into the playoffs...the West and North divisions do not offer much to take seriously...this is by far the best move the Bucs could have made...I wonder what they gave up? 2nd rounder? 3rd rounder?

6th from what I heard.

 

[Bri]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.They're gonna need Caddy. Maybe with Griese hurt they should rest him a little bit more.

 

[Norseman]

...I think Rattay will start within a month and carry the Bucs to the playoffs.

Rattay won't see the starting line up unless Simms is hurt or he throws more picks than Griese was throwing.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I'm not going to argue with Capella - like someone said, "He knows stuff"

But I wouldn't be surprised if Gruden plays Rattay. When asked the other day if he was looking for a quarterback who could learn their system, Gruden said "I'm looking for a quarterback who can PLAY. Heck, my wife knows the system, I want someone who can play." He then added "Sorry Cindy, we're not interested" It was pretty funny but I think the point was very clear he was more interested in a playmaker than someone who knew his system. Don't know if that sums up Rattay and Simms, but it's food for thought.

 

[Capella]

When asked the other day if he was looking for a quarterback who could learn their system, Gruden said "I'm looking for a quarterback who can PLAY. Heck, my wife knows the system, I want someone who can play." He then added "Sorry Cindy, we're not interested"

I loved that.

 

[Norseman]

I'm not going to argue with Capella - like someone said, "He knows stuff"

But I wouldn't be surprised if Gruden plays Rattay. When asked the other day if he was looking for a quarterback who could learn their system, Gruden said "I'm looking for a quarterback who can PLAY. Heck, my wife knows the system, I want someone who can play." He then added "Sorry Cindy, we're not interested" It was pretty funny but I think the point was very clear he was more interested in a playmaker than someone who knew his system. Don't know if that sums up Rattay and Simms, but it's food for thought.

I think that was mostly a motivational tool for Simms. If he plays like he did Sunday, he will stay as the starter. Otherwise, Rattay could see some playing time in 3-4 games.

 

[-OZ-]

Anyone think Rattay was jumping for joy.

Barlow

Battle

Lloyd

or

"Cadillac"

Clayton

Galloway

Which would you rather play in...plus a defense that covers up mistakes...I think Rattay will start within a month and carry the Bucs to the playoffs.

I'm sure he is happy. Don't overlook the better line or coaching staff. Not to mention perhaps the most obvious, there's no #1 pick. All he has to do now is learn a system quickly and beat out a HOFers kid. Is Rattay a FA at the end of the year?

 

[Ksquared]

Cappy,Wasn't the problem with Simms was his inability to read defenses? I thought that was the word going around last year and during his terrible preseason. If he cannot read defenses, then Rattay may play sooner than your thinking.

 

[Capella]

Cappy,

Wasn't the problem with Simms was his inability to read defenses? I thought that was the word going around last year and during his terrible preseason. If he cannot read defenses, then Rattay may play sooner than your thinking.

From what I gathered, he was also struggling with forcing throws or making dumb decisions when hurried. But then again, so was Griese. I was one saying Simms had a pretty horrible preseason this year..and he did, for the most part. But he did look sharp after being thrown into action Sunday, he's been around for years, has a good arm and his teammates seem to have confidence in him. Going to take A LOT for a new guy to come in and overcome that. I don't think people realize how difficult it is for a new guy to come in and mesh with new teammates, learn the offense and effectively steer the ship of a playoff contender.

I just don't expect it, unless Simms is worse than we all fear. And based on this past Sunday and Sunday alone...he can't be that bad.

*But Simms was very poor in game 16 last year where the Bucs basically scrimmaged the Cards in Arizona. Only play of note was hitting Clayton on a slant pass that Michael turned into a long score. Other than that, he was l-o-s-t. Hopefully he's learned a lot since then.

 

[thecatch]

Nice move for the Bucs.  I'm guessing they paid out the nose for him though.

That means SF is basically dumping their season.

didnt they already do this, when they decided to go w/ the rookie qb?im thinking san fran fans should be crazy happy, here comes reggie bush!!

They can't afford 2 #1 overall picks, they'll trade down.

 

[thecatch]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

I realize you mean that sarcastically, but honestly, I don't feel the least bit panicky. Our offense doesn't really need a stud QB. We didn't pick up one in Rattay - but neither did we lose one in Griese. Enjoy? I think I will thank you.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

I realize you mean that sarcastically, but honestly, I don't feel the least bit panicky. Our offense doesn't really need a stud QB. We didn't pick up one in Rattay - but neither did we lose one in Griese. Enjoy? I think I will thank you.

Seen alot of Rattay and I believe he could be a stud in this offense... Rattay is very accurate when given time, something he rarely had with the 49ers! How soon I dont know...

 

[pghrob]

Capella is on the money here.Simms is the back up turned starter on a team that is doing real well now. He's been in practice all season and immersed himself in Gruden's playbook for 3 years now.Simms should be prepared to fill in now as the starter. Gruden is demanding and wants a QB who makes plays. If and only if Simms either is horrible or hurt, does Rattay start.Great move by the Bucs.As far as what this does for Galloway and Clayton: Nothing.

 

[3C's]

I was looking at the Tampa papers to see what they were saying about Rattay. This goes along with what has been said before:

Bucs Get QB Rattay As 'Insurance Policy'

But, I did find this interesting:

Despite reports stating Griese suffered a torn ACL and MCL, the Bucs weren't prepared to give up on his return later in the season.

 

[azcards33]

Deal shows Nolan is realistic about his team

Ira Miller

Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Tim Rattay's trade to Tampa Bay was the first good news for 49ers fans since they beat St. Louis in the season opener -- but the good news, really, is not so much about Rattay.

It is about Mike Nolan, the 49ers' first-year coach.

The trade means that Nolan finally has come to his senses.

Enough nonsense from the coach about winning the NFC West, about how much progress the 49ers are making. Enough from the players about how they're coming together and how, said linebacker Derek Smith, they "see signs of a special defense ... just a little bit off."

Let's be brief and blunt:

The 49ers stink. Six weeks into the season, they rank next-to-last in the NFL in offense and last in defense and, with the exception of more enthusiasm among the players under a better coaching staff, they look just as bad as they did a year ago.

There is every indication the 49ers will go to the wire battling the Houston Texans for the first pick in the 2006 draft. It's almost as hard to lose every game in the NFL as it is to win every game, but, nonetheless, there is not a game between now and New Year's Day the 49ers are reasonably expected to win.

Nolan, thus far, has not publicly acknowledged what a sad-sack operation he inherited and he has been unwilling to level with the fans about how far the 49ers really are from becoming a factor in the NFL. He also has not done enough to push ownership into strengthening the front office with experienced football men, which would help him do his job.

The 49ers' organization, such as it is, needs to be completely torn down before it can be rebuilt, and getting rid of Rattay is an important part of the teardown. He is too much a reminder of the failures of the recent past. He never could have served as the savvy veteran adviser Alex Smith requires and doesn't have, because Rattay didn't understand his role. Rattay made that obvious when he said he was "upset" about being pulled for Smith in the debacle against the Cardinals, one of three games in the last four in which the 49ers' offense failed to score.

So, by trading Rattay, leaving Smith without even a second-rate veteran quarterback to help him, Nolan is acknowledging in deed, if not in words, what everyone else already knew, that any hope for the 49ers lies in the future, not in the present.

Like most backups, Rattay could look good at times, but then he'd break your heart with mistakes. He is the son of a coach and he played in a sophisticated passing offense in college, yet he repeatedly made the same dumb mistakes in the fourth quarter of NFL games. This is Rattay's sixth NFL season; in his last significant fourth quarter, he threw two interceptions at home against Dallas.

With the Bucs, Rattay can compete with Luke McCown to be a backup quarterback now that Chris Simms will start in place of Brian Griese, who apparently is out for the season with a knee injury.

Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden has his team off to a surprising 5-1 start and wanted another veteran on the roster. McCown has only four NFL starts on his resume, and Gruden can't stand Simms, even though he'd never say so publicly.

Simms is a left-hander, and Gruden -- even though he worked a year with the 49ers when they had a quarterback named Steve Young on the roster -- does not like left-handed quarterbacks.

Further, just as Rattay was one of the last vestiges of Terry Donahue's failed regime, Simms is a reminder in Tampa of the Rich McKay/Tim Ruskell administration that was in place the first year Gruden coached the Bucs (and won the Super Bowl). Gruden, who hadn't even worked out Simms, chafed when McKay drafted him.

Tampa Bay's surprising success this season has been because of its defense, which is allowing the fewest yards per game in the league, and a running game led by rookie Cadillac Williams. With 831 rushing yards in six games, the Bucs are on pace to finish the season with 2,216, which would be their highest total since 1979. So even if Rattay somehow should be forced to play, he would not be asked to do too much.

As for the 49ers, they need to get more of their young players on the field, not only Smith. Nolan made a comment recently about how the kids needed to play, but his actions don't square with his words. One player who comes to mind is third-round draft choice Adam Snyder, who played left tackle at Oregon, where he was the Pac-10's lineman of the year.

In the 49ers' situation, Snyder should be playing tackle, not someone such as Anthony Clement, a free agent the 49ers picked up off the street. The last time the 49ers hit bottom, they plugged four rookies into the starting lineup in 2000 and, a year later, they were 12-4 and in the playoffs. There is no sign they are headed in that direction this time.

 

[JaxBill]

New Year's Day, it'll be a battle for the ages -

Houston at San Francisco 4:05 p.m. 716 146 145

 

[Gargoylez]

If this was MAdden 2006, he could step in and play. Since it is NOT. Rattay will most likely NOT see the field, PERIOD for the season, unless Simms gets hurt. With a torn ACL, MCL and any other letter plus CL... Griese will go on IR within the next few days.Good move for hopefully a compensatory 7th round pick.

 

[garyd]

Wow....that article has some pretty negative comments about Simms/Gruden coming from what sounds like a 49er's beat writer...and he states them pretty much as facts, not opinions. You got the feeling that Gruden wasn't totally sold on Simms based on his comments surrounding the McCown pickup, but I never heard it put anything like "Gruden can't stand Simms" before. How factual is this?

 

[gump]

Wow....that article has some pretty negative comments about Simms/Gruden coming from what sounds like a 49er's beat writer...and he states them pretty much as facts, not opinions. You got the feeling that Gruden wasn't totally sold on Simms based on his comments surrounding the McCown pickup, but I never heard it put anything like "Gruden can't stand Simms" before. How factual is this?

Gruden doesn't take mistakes made by his QBs well...thus his love fest with Gannon and Brad Johnson. Gruden especially hates mistakes made by QBs who have the talent to be very good. IMO, he lets Greise's mistakes slide a little more because he knows Griese is simply doing his best, while he takes Simm's mistakes much harder because he believes Simms can be very good.

Gruden only seems to "hate" Simms because he believes he can be a success in the NFL.

 

[thecatch]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

I realize you mean that sarcastically, but honestly, I don't feel the least bit panicky. Our offense doesn't really need a stud QB. We didn't pick up one in Rattay - but neither did we lose one in Griese. Enjoy? I think I will thank you.

I think I'd still rather have Griese. Look at Rattay's INT breakdown by quarter... its not pretty. I don't think he's a guy that you can throw in there and not expect to make mistakes ala Dilfer or someone of that caliber.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

 

[Gargoylez]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

 

[-OZ-]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

I realize you mean that sarcastically, but honestly, I don't feel the least bit panicky. Our offense doesn't really need a stud QB. We didn't pick up one in Rattay - but neither did we lose one in Griese. Enjoy? I think I will thank you.

I think I'd still rather have Griese. Look at Rattay's INT breakdown by quarter... its not pretty. I don't think he's a guy that you can throw in there and not expect to make mistakes ala Dilfer or someone of that caliber.

Interesting comparison, but please elaborate. Looking at the stats, Dilfer has thrown for 110 INTs and 101 TDs in his career.

Rattay has 18 INTs to 24 TDs.

Somewhat Ironically, Dilfers best statistical years came with the Bucs, despite him winning a SB with Baltimore.

I don't see where to get the INTs by quarter stat, so that may make the difference. Of course, that also can be attributed to the team, I would presume a QB trying to come back every week would throw more INTs than a QB with the lead, trying to run the clock out.

 

[-OZ-]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

You may be right, but you're also offering yourself to the grammar nazis.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

New Year's Day, it'll be a battle for the ages -

Houston at San Francisco 4:05 p.m. 716 146 145

To see who trades the rights to Lienart

 

[Gargoylez]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

You may be right, but you're also offering yourself to the grammar nazis.

Hehehehehe

Yeah I am at work just typing away and posting. Not alot of time to fix things or look them over.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

You seem so certain. You have a lot of faith in a guy with a career QB rating of 66, 3 ints, 3 fumbles and 1 TD.Maybe it's his "last pick of the first day" pedigree that has reassured you so much? Perhaps the overwhelming confidence and support his coach has shown for him so far?

I'm not saying the guy won't do well - maybe he will. But I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on him starting for the remainder of the year if he struggles on a team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs.

 

[ranglerone]

October 19, 2005, 10:36 Buccaneers :: QBQB Simms To StartMark Maske, The Washington Post - [Full Article]The Buccaneers traded for QB Tim Rattay yesterday, but HC Jon Gruden has made it clear that QB Chris Simms will start and take over for the injured QB Brian Griese. Rattay was brought in as insurance if more injuries occur at the QB position.

 

[AnonymousBob]

October 19, 2005, 10:36

Buccaneers :: QB

QB Simms To Start

Mark Maske, The Washington Post - [Full Article]

The Buccaneers traded for QB Tim Rattay yesterday, but HC Jon Gruden has made it clear that QB Chris Simms will start and take over for the injured QB Brian Griese. Rattay was brought in as insurance if more injuries occur at the QB position.

What was he supposed to say? "Simms is garbage and I could see our season swirling down the crapper so I traded for Rattay."? Then what if Rat man doesn't pan out? I still think the job is Simms' but if he falters I still believe Rat has a chance to grab it.

 

[Gargoylez]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

You seem so certain. You have a lot of faith in a guy with a career QB rating of 66, 3 ints, 3 fumbles and 1 TD.Maybe it's his "last pick of the first day" pedigree that has reassured you so much? Perhaps the overwhelming confidence and support his coach has shown for him so far?

I'm not saying the guy won't do well - maybe he will. But I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on him starting for the remainder of the year if he struggles on a team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs.

I have watched a ton of film on this guy. My friend lives in Dunedin and gets all the games and pre-season games and other interviews. He tries and tapes them and mails them to me. Still have a bunch.I am sure that the "last pick of the day" pedigree ranks up there with 6th round pick pedigree of Tom Brady too...

He wills tart whether he struggles a bit or not. If there was a 3rd year man behind him, nipping at his heels, like Simms was doing to Griese, then I would back off, but when you have BRAND NEW Rattay, and Luke McCown? Simms will start barring injury... PERIOD.

Yes, I am a homer and I always liked Simms... I beleive he should of been starting over Griese. But that is purely my opinion.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Talk about mucking up the waiver bidding process this week for people who need another QB and/or are trying to replace Griese. Sheesh.

...have griese in both leagues :(

Simms will start for the remainder of the season. It didn't muck ANYTHING up.Though the same "system" and I use that word loosely, by the time Rattay gets acclaimated to teh Chucky System they will already be in teh play offs and Simms will be doing as well if not better then Griese would of.

You seem so certain. You have a lot of faith in a guy with a career QB rating of 66, 3 ints, 3 fumbles and 1 TD.Maybe it's his "last pick of the first day" pedigree that has reassured you so much? Perhaps the overwhelming confidence and support his coach has shown for him so far?

I'm not saying the guy won't do well - maybe he will. But I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on him starting for the remainder of the year if he struggles on a team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs.

I am sure that the "last pick of the day" pedigree ranks up there with 6th round pick pedigree of Tom Brady too...

The pedigree alone is insignificant, I agree. But my point was that he has looked bad in most regular season games in which he has seen action (unlike Brady), and he has been given a chance to start before and had the job taken from him (unlike Brady), and he doesn't seem to have the faith of his coach (unlike Brady). Oh, and he isn't anywhere near as good as Brady. Other than that, it's a perfect analogy.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Very few QBs win in the playoffs having never been there. More often than not they have to take some lumps and return to win. IIRC Rattay has never been in the playoffs.

Rattay's never started in the playoffs.Enjoy Bucs fans, if he plays he's good for 2-3 4th quarter turnovers/game

I realize you mean that sarcastically, but honestly, I don't feel the least bit panicky. Our offense doesn't really need a stud QB. We didn't pick up one in Rattay - but neither did we lose one in Griese. Enjoy? I think I will thank you.

I think I'd still rather have Griese. Look at Rattay's INT breakdown by quarter... its not pretty. I don't think he's a guy that you can throw in there and not expect to make mistakes ala Dilfer or someone of that caliber.

Interesting comparison, but please elaborate. Looking at the stats, Dilfer has thrown for 110 INTs and 101 TDs in his career.

Rattay has 18 INTs to 24 TDs.

Somewhat Ironically, Dilfers best statistical years came with the Bucs, despite him winning a SB with Baltimore.

I don't see where to get the INTs by quarter stat, so that may make the difference. Of course, that also can be attributed to the team, I would presume a QB trying to come back every week would throw more INTs than a QB with the lead, trying to run the clock out.

Bingo. If you are constantly falling further and further behind as the game goes on you are far more likely to have increasing turnover stats as the games go on. He's constantly hit the 4th quarter down big with teams knowing full well that they won't be running and that they couldn't if they had to and are teeing off with the pass rush and throwing extra defenders into the defensive backfield. You're going to throw more picks down 30-3 in the second half than you would down 7-3 in the 1st. Another question that comes out of this is what is the pecking order in SF now other than that Smith is the starter? Is Cody Pickett an injury away from being the leader of that offense? Whom else do they have at the position?