Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (4 Viewers)

[FavreCo]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

 

[Dizzy]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

See what you just did? Now you got labeled a hater. After losses, it's the #1 comeback.

He got labeled a hater, because he hates Tebow. It has nothing to do with the game result.

Correct.And it's not just Tebow... I think I was pretty clear about that.

...in it's truest meaning

 

[ivnabru]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

I don't watch his interviews so not sure. Can't find it online on a quick check.

 

[FavreCo]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

I don't watch his interviews so not sure. Can't find it online on a quick check.

Last night they broke in mid interview.

 

[ivnabru]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

I don't watch his interviews so not sure. Can't find it online on a quick check.

Last night they broke in mid interview.

Can't find Lions interview either, I assume if he thanked jesus in that interview he did the same against the Pats. If he didn't he probably also did the same.

 

[moleculo]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

 

[Two Deep]

I don't get the Tebow hate.

Seriously? Can you honestly say that you don't really get why anyone would "hate" him?Think about it now... and it has NOTHING to do with football. NOTHING!

Which is why people hate him.

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Why do religous people use the word awesome all of the time. I don't like awesome.

 

[FavreCo]

I don't get the Tebow hate.

Seriously? Can you honestly say that you don't really get why anyone would "hate" him?Think about it now... and it has NOTHING to do with football. NOTHING!

Which is why people hate him.

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Why do religous people use the word awesome all of the time. I don't like awesome.

What about awlsome?

 

[FavreCo]

Anyone know where schnikies is?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The anti-Tebow crowd has been pretty reasonable after the loss, so kudos on that.

I thought Tebow played just OK in the game. Obviously the 3 turnovers (one of which he contributed to) in a row really set them back, but I thought he should have taken more shots downfield once he got behind. I know it goes against the anti-turnover mentality that he and Fox have developed but there comes a point where, when the opposing team is starting a 4th string WR at safety, you need to just put the ball out there and let your WR make a play on it.

He used to do it all the time so I'm not sure if it's a change in mentality brought on by the coaches, him being determined not to turn it over, or losing Lloyd, who used to be his go to guy in those situations. When he's gotten behind in the past (Houston/SD last year, 1st SD game this year) he's been willing to give people a shot downfield and it's worked out well. I don't think he trusts the current WRs in coverage (especially Decker, who seems only capable of catching a pass if there's no defender close enough nearby to sneeze on him), but he seems to be gaining some trust in Demaryius so maybe he'll get back to it.

 

[Max Power]

Tebow didn't play bad yesterday. He played like Tebow. Denver has been winning by play calling to his strenghts. Tebow just doesn't have the skill set to air it out and win games right now. I'm not sure he ever will.

Bottomline, I think he is a great story and exceeding expectations, but it would be a mistake for Denver to build their franchise around him and his skillset.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

 

[Runningman]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

 

[Runningman]

Also, these last few weeks have been encouraging. I have seen an improvement in his throwing and it is intriging what he could do with a little more talent around him. Say a really good receiving tight end or some kind of back like Sproles. I think the offense could be very successful with a little more talent and some tweaking. Tebow really doesn't need to do more than one or two of his QBs sneaks all game to keep the threat alive and with a little restraint he can pick and chose his spots on contact when he runs out of the pocket downfield, thus limiting the big hits he takes. And if the Broncos develop the running game further it will make his throwing development that much easier.

And given their likely draft position Tebow is going to be around for at least one more year as starting QB. The Broncos better be thinking hard on how to make Tebow better.

 

[moleculo]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

 

[DoubleG]

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

Sadly, in today's society, I think there are a great many people who sight being "offended" as simply an opportunity to call a "PC FOUL" - either simply because they can, they enjoy the attention, or simply enjoy raining on other people's proverbial parades.Quite predictably, there is very little tolerance for those who outwardly show religious views - an oddity in that the intolerance and contempt is usually born from an outcry of tolerance. It is ironic that in a society where religious freedom is highly touted, often it is the religious who are the first to be "put in their proper place" - by those who are not. Tolerance indeed.

 

[AmosMoses]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

This is how I see it. Add to it that the dude is 100% positive and gives credit to his team I just don't see how people can be so negative about the guy. We need more Tebows in the league.

 

[ffldrew]

I am a Bronco fan and I think the work that Tebow does through his faith is extremely admirable - this world could always use more love and if it is through the belief in Christ so be it. But not all who profess a love of Christ are quite as forgiving in some of the grey areas of our world and this hurts them - he has stepped over the line in my opinion by aligning himself with Focus on the Family - a hate based religious organization in this State that was responsible for the passage of Amendment 2 here - that basically shunned homosexuals in a rather draconian Amendment to our state constitution that was later ruled unconstitutional. I have yet to hear him denounce an organization like this or express his opinion on the rights and treatments of homosexuals in context of his religious beliefs and whether his following of "God's Word" is as strict and dogmatic as his supposed compatriots at Focus - so much so that it bleeds over into the secular political world. With that, I hold out on the complete embrace of Tim Terriffic - but not everyone is perfect and I just wish he would be able to wipe away this stain on his reputation. As a Bronco fan I am enjoying his work on the football field - a lot.

 

[Two Deep]

I am a Bronco fan and I think the work that Tebow does through his faith is extremely admirable - this world could always use more love and if it is through the belief in Christ so be it. But not all who profess a love of Christ are quite as forgiving in some of the grey areas of our world and this hurts them - he has stepped over the line in my opinion by aligning himself with Focus on the Family - a hate based religious organization in this State that was responsible for the passage of Amendment 2 here - that basically shunned homosexuals in a rather draconian Amendment to our state constitution that was later ruled unconstitutional. I have yet to hear him denounce an organization like this or express his opinion on the rights and treatments of homosexuals in context of his religious beliefs and whether his following of "God's Word" is as strict and dogmatic as his supposed compatriots at Focus - so much so that it bleeds over into the secular political world. With that, I hold out on the complete embrace of Tim Terriffic - but not everyone is perfect and I just wish he would be able to wipe away this stain on his reputation. As a Bronco fan I am enjoying his work on the football field - a lot.

Religous people who you would expect to be tolerant are the most AWESOMELY intolerent people there are.

 

[Chaka]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

 

[Chaka]

I am a Bronco fan and I think the work that Tebow does through his faith is extremely admirable - this world could always use more love and if it is through the belief in Christ so be it. But not all who profess a love of Christ are quite as forgiving in some of the grey areas of our world and this hurts them - he has stepped over the line in my opinion by aligning himself with Focus on the Family - a hate based religious organization in this State that was responsible for the passage of Amendment 2 here - that basically shunned homosexuals in a rather draconian Amendment to our state constitution that was later ruled unconstitutional. I have yet to hear him denounce an organization like this or express his opinion on the rights and treatments of homosexuals in context of his religious beliefs and whether his following of "God's Word" is as strict and dogmatic as his supposed compatriots at Focus - so much so that it bleeds over into the secular political world. With that, I hold out on the complete embrace of Tim Terriffic - but not everyone is perfect and I just wish he would be able to wipe away this stain on his reputation. As a Bronco fan I am enjoying his work on the football field - a lot.

Religous people who you would expect to be tolerant are the most AWESOMELY intolerent people there are.

Oh please. Intolerance is bad from all sides of religious discussions in this place.

 

[ivnabru]

I am a Bronco fan and I think the work that Tebow does through his faith is extremely admirable - this world could always use more love and if it is through the belief in Christ so be it. But not all who profess a love of Christ are quite as forgiving in some of the grey areas of our world and this hurts them - he has stepped over the line in my opinion by aligning himself with Focus on the Family - a hate based religious organization in this State that was responsible for the passage of Amendment 2 here - that basically shunned homosexuals in a rather draconian Amendment to our state constitution that was later ruled unconstitutional. I have yet to hear him denounce an organization like this or express his opinion on the rights and treatments of homosexuals in context of his religious beliefs and whether his following of "God's Word" is as strict and dogmatic as his supposed compatriots at Focus - so much so that it bleeds over into the secular political world. With that, I hold out on the complete embrace of Tim Terriffic - but not everyone is perfect and I just wish he would be able to wipe away this stain on his reputation. As a Bronco fan I am enjoying his work on the football field - a lot.

Religous people who you would expect to be tolerant are the most AWESOMELY intolerent people there are.

Isn't it intolerant to judge a guy based on his beliefs? He might be a terrible guy, but I don't think he has shown that by his actions.I think there are lots of good religious people and lots of bad religious people just like any other group.

 

[Two Deep]

I am a Bronco fan and I think the work that Tebow does through his faith is extremely admirable - this world could always use more love and if it is through the belief in Christ so be it. But not all who profess a love of Christ are quite as forgiving in some of the grey areas of our world and this hurts them - he has stepped over the line in my opinion by aligning himself with Focus on the Family - a hate based religious organization in this State that was responsible for the passage of Amendment 2 here - that basically shunned homosexuals in a rather draconian Amendment to our state constitution that was later ruled unconstitutional. I have yet to hear him denounce an organization like this or express his opinion on the rights and treatments of homosexuals in context of his religious beliefs and whether his following of "God's Word" is as strict and dogmatic as his supposed compatriots at Focus - so much so that it bleeds over into the secular political world. With that, I hold out on the complete embrace of Tim Terriffic - but not everyone is perfect and I just wish he would be able to wipe away this stain on his reputation. As a Bronco fan I am enjoying his work on the football field - a lot.

Religous people who you would expect to be tolerant are the most AWESOMELY intolerent people there are.

Isn't it intolerant to judge a guy based on his beliefs? He might be a terrible guy, but I don't think he has shown that by his actions.I think there are lots of good religious people and lots of bad religious people just like any other group.

Oh don't get me wrong I'm intolerent. I dislike most groups of people or people in general. Now back to football. Tebows game seems to be improving, but whether he can improve to the point where he can hold down the starting gig long term is seriously in doubt.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't get the Tebow hate.

Seriously? Can you honestly say that you don't really get why anyone would "hate" him?Think about it now... and it has NOTHING to do with football. NOTHING!

Which is why people hate him.

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Why do religous people use the word awesome all of the time. I don't like awesome.

Tebow garnered a lot of hate with his abortion commercial. As he should have. That's what happens when you take an extremely controversial stance. He knew what he was doing and was prepared to deal with the hate (or he's simply a moron which I do not believe). Throw in his hyper-religion and he came across as an annoying ##### even if he meant well. Even other former players were calling him out. He seems to have toned down the religion aspect a bit so kudos to him. But let's not pretend he wouldn't have just as many haters if he took up just as loud of a stance to promote atheism. It's what happens to anyone who stands out (look how many folks hate OchoCinco despite him clearly being one of the good guys - people don't care for his lookatme shtick).

As far as hating him outside the religious shtick, he was being looked at as the sole reason the Broncos turned things around. That's a bit annoying to many football fans. I can certainly understand why someone would hate him for garnering all the attention when the guy gets carried by the team for most of a game and then scrambles around and he's seen as this great quarterback. Is it exciting to watch? Hell yes. Does it make him a good quarterback? Hardly. And let's not act like he's the first scrambling quarterback to rip off a bunch of wins despite having questionable throwing abilities. Vick has his critics. Vince Young has lots of skeptics. If the Niners, Ravens, or several other teams win it's because they won with their great defense despite having a game manager at quarterback. If the Broncos win it's because Tebow performed a miracle? Huh?

Tebow is supposed to be above being questioned because...why? He has shown lots of potential. But he's also shown lots of flaws. Flaws which professionals said would be too much to overcome. Professionals aren't always right but because they're wrong sometimes doesn't mean we should totally ignore them. I see no reason to claim he's great when he has a good game. Most of his critics will admit he's looked good at times. And most of his supporters will admit he's looked real bad at times.

His scrambling ability is hard to rate (not the first time rushing yards from a qb haven't been fully appreciated). But his passing stats...his ypa this season is similar to Flacco and Fitzpatrick. He passes for fewer yards than EVERY other quarterback in the league (Gabbert is second to last with 24 more per game, and Gabbert is 23 behind the low end of the pack). He's only averaging 18 attempts per game. Vick/Newton are at 34/32. The second lowest in the league throws 25 times per game. Is it Tebow's fault they don't need to pass more? Not at all. But I believe there are many quarterbacks in the league who could also lead their teams to fourth quarter comebacks if it's kept close all game. I think what we're seeing from Tebow is a statistical anomaly which will correct itself over time unless he makes major improvements (which I'm skeptical will happen).

You have a combination of religious/anti-religious nuts jockeying over him and professional trolls (Skip) shoving him down our throats trying to make people take sides. Tim Tebow is the perfect troll crapstorm.

 

[Dizzy]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

Would that be crickets cherping between your ears? ANYONE who speaks with absolute authority on religion as if it were based on FACT and not FAITH is a zealot.Tebow has done that – he's not shy about it (probably quite proud of it) – there is video evidence of Tebow addressing a group of young people WARNING of where they will end up if they do not embrace Jesus Christ into their hearts. That makes him a zealot.I personally find religious zealots extremely annoying (at the least) if not potentially damaging and dangerous (worst case). If the fact that I perceive Tim Tebow as a zealot bothers others on this board… I am OK with that.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

FTR, I strongly disagree with Tebow's beliefs. I think he's awfully near an extremely dangerous branch of Christianity and as such I don't care to hear him push his beliefs (I have no issue with Christianity in itself but there are different forms/levels within the religion and some of the groups he's aligned himself with are too extreme for my taste). But he's an athlete. I think anyone who looks up to a professional athlete as a role model has a few screws loose. They're entertainers. That's it.

 

[ivnabru]

I don't get the Tebow hate.

Seriously? Can you honestly say that you don't really get why anyone would "hate" him?Think about it now... and it has NOTHING to do with football. NOTHING!

Which is why people hate him.

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Why do religous people use the word awesome all of the time. I don't like awesome.

Tebow garnered a lot of hate with his abortion commercial. As he should have. That's what happens when you take an extremely controversial stance. He knew what he was doing and was prepared to deal with the hate (or he's simply a moron which I do not believe). Throw in his hyper-religion and he came across as an annoying ##### even if he meant well. Even other former players were calling him out. He seems to have toned down the religion aspect a bit so kudos to him. But let's not pretend he wouldn't have just as many haters if he took up just as loud of a stance to promote atheism. It's what happens to anyone who stands out (look how many folks hate OchoCinco despite him clearly being one of the good guys - people don't care for his lookatme shtick).

As far as hating him outside the religious shtick, he was being looked at as the sole reason the Broncos turned things around. That's a bit annoying to many football fans. I can certainly understand why someone would hate him for garnering all the attention when the guy gets carried by the team for most of a game and then scrambles around and he's seen as this great quarterback. Is it exciting to watch? Hell yes. Does it make him a good quarterback? Hardly. And let's not act like he's the first scrambling quarterback to rip off a bunch of wins despite having questionable throwing abilities. Vick has his critics. Vince Young has lots of skeptics. If the Niners, Ravens, or several other teams win it's because they won with their great defense despite having a game manager at quarterback. If the Broncos win it's because Tebow performed a miracle? Huh?

Tebow is supposed to be above being questioned because...why? He has shown lots of potential. But he's also shown lots of flaws. Flaws which professionals said would be too much to overcome. Professionals aren't always right but because they're wrong sometimes doesn't mean we should totally ignore them. I see no reason to claim he's great when he has a good game. Most of his critics will admit he's looked good at times. And most of his supporters will admit he's looked real bad at times.

His scrambling ability is hard to rate (not the first time rushing yards from a qb haven't been fully appreciated). But his passing stats...his ypa this season is similar to Flacco and Fitzpatrick. He passes for fewer yards than EVERY other quarterback in the league (Gabbert is second to last with 24 more per game, and Gabbert is 23 behind the low end of the pack). He's only averaging 18 attempts per game. Vick/Newton are at 34/32. The second lowest in the league throws 25 times per game. Is it Tebow's fault they don't need to pass more? Not at all. But I believe there are many quarterbacks in the league who could also lead their teams to fourth quarter comebacks if it's kept close all game. I think what we're seeing from Tebow is a statistical anomaly which will correct itself over time unless he makes major improvements (which I'm skeptical will happen).

You have a combination of religious/anti-religious nuts jockeying over him and professional trolls (Skip) shoving him down our throats trying to make people take sides. Tim Tebow is the perfect troll crapstorm.

The Broncos are one of the worst defenses in the league by points allowed both before Tebow started playing and in the games Tebow has played.I don't know that I'd quite put them in the same league as Baltimore or SF. I'm not a believer in Tebow long-term but I do think a running QB can be a lot more influential than the stats suggest. There's a reason Vick won a lot of games without looking like a good QB.

 

[GeauxTigers]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.

This is not a gracious attitude. Now go brush your teeth and say your Tebows.

 

[moleculo]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

Would that be crickets cherping between your ears? ANYONE who speaks with absolute authority on religion as if it were based on FACT and not FAITH is a zealot.Tebow has done that – he's not shy about it (probably quite proud of it) – there is video evidence of Tebow addressing a group of young people WARNING of where they will end up if they do not embrace Jesus Christ into their hearts. That makes him a zealot.I personally find religious zealots extremely annoying (at the least) if not potentially damaging and dangerous (worst case). If the fact that I perceive Tim Tebow as a zealot bothers others on this board… I am OK with that.

Got it. You are bothered more by someone who builds hospitals in 3rd world countries than rapists and drug dealers.

 

[DiStefano]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

Would that be crickets cherping between your ears? ANYONE who speaks with absolute authority on religion as if it were based on FACT and not FAITH is a zealot.Tebow has done that – he's not shy about it (probably quite proud of it) – there is video evidence of Tebow addressing a group of young people WARNING of where they will end up if they do not embrace Jesus Christ into their hearts. That makes him a zealot.I personally find religious zealots extremely annoying (at the least) if not potentially damaging and dangerous (worst case). If the fact that I perceive Tim Tebow as a zealot bothers others on this board… I am OK with that.

I'm on these boards quite a lot. I don't find too much evidence of religious zealots here. What I do find is atheist zealots, ready to mock or dislike someone for his beliefs.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it. I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

they are also against porn and gambling

You've convinced me. I hate Tebow now.I don't know why you didn't just open with that...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The Broncos are one of the worst defenses in the league by points allowed both before Tebow started playing and in the games Tebow has played.I don't know that I'd quite put them in the same league as Baltimore or SF. I'm not a believer in Tebow long-term but I do think a running QB can be a lot more influential than the stats suggest. There's a reason Vick won a lot of games without looking like a good QB.

Since Tebow became the starter (I believe it was after the bye week) here are the points they've given up:15 (Miami)45 (Detroit)24 (Oakland)10 (Kansas City)13 (Jets)32 (Minnesota)10 (Chicago)41 (New England)I think they got some fluke wins and it won't continue. But I am rooting for Tebow to succeed even if I'm very skeptical it will continue. He's a nice guy who walks his talk (even if I disagree with some of what he says). And if he does make it in the NFL it will bring in a new wave of quarterbacks. And having more rushing qb's who can go toe to toe with pocket passers will make the league more exciting.

 

[GeauxTigers]

they are also against porn and gambling

You've convinced me. I hate Tebow now.I don't know why you didn't just open with that...

Why Tebow! Why!!

 

[Runningman]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

yes and my point being he seems to evangalize by actions much more so by words. he isn't a Sunday morning preacher by any stretch.

 

[Possum]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

Yes, he did

 

[ivnabru]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it. I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

I assume he is against abortions, but the extent of his actions were doing a commercial for them right? Wasn't he paid for it? If they gave me enough money I'd do a commercial for the KKK even though I disagree with them. I know that's not a fair comparison because he probably at least agrees with the abortion stance, but doing a commercial against abortions doesn't mean you agree with everything that group stands for. I say this as a guy who thinks abortions are very good for society.

 

[killrobotkill]

He had no reason to "hedge" his predictions, I don't think he's the kind of guy who needs to save face when he's wrong. A lot of us are perfectly comfortably admitting when we're wrong. I think the majority of people in here would agree that betting on a 6-7 point dog straight up is a "dumb" bet.

Thank you.If you counted all the times I have typed "WOW, was I wrong about that one!" since the time I joined here, it would be in the hundreds. If I had thought Denver would win, I would not have written "NE, 34-21" ... period. No matter what qualifier I used to begin the post.

Maybe you thought NE would win by 13, but you certainly didn't act very confident in your prediction. That's what hedging means - giving yourself room to be wrong.And that's fine if you feel like hedging, even if you have nothing at stake, but calling other people's predictions dumb after your own hedging is a little hypocritical. Even the dude that called a 31-13 Broncos win in that thread didn't get *that* treatment - just some cute little crack about taking up knitting if that happens (which, notably, isn't the same thing as calling him wrong or dumb).

The bet's over, I paid up, so I don't see the need for the insults. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Possum]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.

I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

yes and my point being he seems to evangalize by actions much more so by words. he isn't a Sunday morning preacher by any stretch.

Jeff Darlington at NFL.com has a story up about how after the game yesterday, Tebow went out and met up with the brain tumor survivor girl that he took to the college football awards show a couple years ago. Apparently he called her and her family last week on his own to catch up on how she's doing. Hate on his beliefs all you want, but I can't help but respect the guy for stuff like that.

link to the article: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82533f7d/article/tebows-day-not-ruined-by-highprofile-loss-to-patriots

 

[killrobotkill]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

Just keep telling yourself that. Deep breaths now... go hug it out.

Ok smart guy. Tell all of us why you hate Tebow? Spit it out.

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Have to agree here. Ecspecially since he is saying "my" not "ours" or "mine and should be yours". Although I am sure he would recommend him to anyone that will listen. But the truth is it is some of the most unintrusive evangalizing ever.

He was raised by Baptist preachers. He was born while his parents were on a mission to the Philippines. He has done plenty of missionary work himself, including building a childrens hospital. Evangalizing is part of who he is, it's what he does. I'm sure he would consider his faith to be the single, most important element of his life, and a big part of that life (and the family business, for that matter), is talking about his faith.IMO, if it bothers folks that much that a man wants to talk about what he believes in, I think that reflects more on those being offended more than the one doing that talking, and not in a good way.

I'm a devout Christian myself, but I honestly wouldn't care if there were atheists, pagans, or whatever else on my fantasy or real-life teams. Even if they insisted on proselytizing their beliefs off the field, I can still enjoy their talents in the game and choose not to listen to what they say off the field. I don't see why that's so hard for atheists to do with regards to Tebow.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it. I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

I assume he is against abortions, but the extent of his actions were doing a commercial for them right? Wasn't he paid for it? If they gave me enough money I'd do a commercial for the KKK even though I disagree with them. I know that's not a fair comparison because he probably at least agrees with the abortion stance, but doing a commercial against abortions doesn't mean you agree with everything that group stands for. I say this as a guy who thinks abortions are very good for society.

If you did a commercial for the KKK would you really be surprised if people thought you agreed with some of their beliefs? Especially their more vocal stances?Maybe Tebow disagrees with all of their beliefs but abortion. 1) doing a commercial with the group implies you agree with them to some extent (and their anti-gay agenda has been hard to miss if you know the group). 2) never speaking out against the group you worked with implies you agree with their beliefs to some extent.Even if Tebow agrees with the group he's not the first NFL player to hate gay people.

 

[ivnabru]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

I assume he is against abortions, but the extent of his actions were doing a commercial for them right? Wasn't he paid for it? If they gave me enough money I'd do a commercial for the KKK even though I disagree with them. I know that's not a fair comparison because he probably at least agrees with the abortion stance, but doing a commercial against abortions doesn't mean you agree with everything that group stands for. I say this as a guy who thinks abortions are very good for society.

If you did a commercial for the KKK would you really be surprised if people thought you agreed with some of their beliefs? Especially their more vocal stances?Maybe Tebow disagrees with all of their beliefs but abortion. 1) doing a commercial with the group implies you agree with them to some extent (and their anti-gay agenda has been hard to miss if you know the group). 2) never speaking out against the group you worked with implies you agree with their beliefs to some extent.

Even if Tebow agrees with the group he's not the first NFL player to hate gay people.

I would not be surprised at all about the KKK point. I very much disagree with the bolded. I don't know whether Michael Jordan likes Hanes, but I assume he does commercials for them because they pay him not because he likes the products. There's a difference if Tebow wasn't paid (and I don't know if he was or wasn't). But when I see a commercial I assume whoever is in the commercial was motivated by pay not by their love of whatever they're espousing.I never saw the Tebow commercial so I don't really know what he said or anything. I only watch the Superbowl when my team is playing in it.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I believe that ALL religious zealots should be mocked, shunned, stoned, whatever.Religion should be a personal choice and has no place being promoted by ill-advised sheep like Tebow.I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to keep saying it… if he just shuts his mouth about Jesus Christ and sticks to football, all of the "haters" that "worshipers" like yourself see will all go away (just like Tebowmania).

I'm curious if you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league .

:crickets:

Would that be crickets cherping between your ears? ANYONE who speaks with absolute authority on religion as if it were based on FACT and not FAITH is a zealot.Tebow has done that – he's not shy about it (probably quite proud of it) – there is video evidence of Tebow addressing a group of young people WARNING of where they will end up if they do not embrace Jesus Christ into their hearts. That makes him a zealot.I personally find religious zealots extremely annoying (at the least) if not potentially damaging and dangerous (worst case). If the fact that I perceive Tim Tebow as a zealot bothers others on this board… I am OK with that.

When you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, it helps if you spell it correctly.And you didn't answer the question. I don't doubt that you find religious zealots annoying. I do, too. But you were asked whether "you have as much a problem with the rapists, repeat drug users, steriod abusers, and other various criminals playing in the league," and you didn't address that at all. Tebow seems like a genuinely good guy. Seems strange to be calling for Tebow to be stoned because He's an outspoken Christian, when the league is likely filled with people much worse than Tebow.

 

[Raider Nation]

He had no reason to "hedge" his predictions, I don't think he's the kind of guy who needs to save face when he's wrong. A lot of us are perfectly comfortably admitting when we're wrong. I think the majority of people in here would agree that betting on a 6-7 point dog straight up is a "dumb" bet.

Thank you.If you counted all the times I have typed "WOW, was I wrong about that one!" since the time I joined here, it would be in the hundreds. If I had thought Denver would win, I would not have written "NE, 34-21" ... period. No matter what qualifier I used to begin the post.

Maybe you thought NE would win by 13, but you certainly didn't act very confident in your prediction. That's what hedging means - giving yourself room to be wrong.And that's fine if you feel like hedging, even if you have nothing at stake, but calling other people's predictions dumb after your own hedging is a little hypocritical. Even the dude that called a 31-13 Broncos win in that thread didn't get *that* treatment - just some cute little crack about taking up knitting if that happens (which, notably, isn't the same thing as calling him wrong or dumb).

The bet's over, I paid up, so I don't see the need for the insults. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

You made a dumb prediction. Embrace it and stop taking it out on me.

 

[FavreCo]

I'm not a religious guy. But Tebow thanks jesus after a game for 2 or 3 seconds and he prays on the sideline. Does that really offend you so badly? Does it really make him a zealot? Sports radio/espn and the like make a big deal of Tebow's religion but they're just trying to make money. That's not something you can blame on Tebow.

Same here. My question is, did he thank his L&S in his pre-game interview after the loss.

Yes, he did

Then kudos to The Tebow. As long as he is saying it win or lose is fine. I would guess that his L&S had no stake (and really could care less) in the outcome of Denver games.

 

[FavreCo]

You made a dumb prediction. Embrace it and stop taking it out on me.

Someone had to try and put a stop to FavreCo. A feat never accomplished. No shame in falling to the greatest NFL & FF mind the universe has ever seen. Read his sig. It's killer.

 

[ffldrew]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

I assume he is against abortions, but the extent of his actions were doing a commercial for them right? Wasn't he paid for it? If they gave me enough money I'd do a commercial for the KKK even though I disagree with them. I know that's not a fair comparison because he probably at least agrees with the abortion stance, but doing a commercial against abortions doesn't mean you agree with everything that group stands for. I say this as a guy who thinks abortions are very good for society.

If you did a commercial for the KKK would you really be surprised if people thought you agreed with some of their beliefs? Especially their more vocal stances?Maybe Tebow disagrees with all of their beliefs but abortion. 1) doing a commercial with the group implies you agree with them to some extent (and their anti-gay agenda has been hard to miss if you know the group). 2) never speaking out against the group you worked with implies you agree with their beliefs to some extent.

Even if Tebow agrees with the group he's not the first NFL player to hate gay people.

I would not be surprised at all about the KKK point. I very much disagree with the bolded. I don't know whether Michael Jordan likes Hanes, but I assume he does commercials for them because they pay him not because he likes the products. There's a difference if Tebow wasn't paid (and I don't know if he was or wasn't). But when I see a commercial I assume whoever is in the commercial was motivated by pay not by their love of whatever they're espousing.I never saw the Tebow commercial so I don't really know what he said or anything. I only watch the Superbowl when my team is playing in it.

The Tebows have a long standing relationship with Focus. Focus has a large money making operation in the home school arena - it is used to provide books, courseware(intelligent design) and help for the Christian based home school families. Tim's high school education as a home schooled kid was a major story through his athletic endeavors and in his missionary story.

I don't think he was paid for this add - I'm not 100% sure he wasn't given any "apperance fee" - or maybe a quid pro quo to one of his foundations(or parents) from Focus - the bottom line here is that the Tebows know exactly what Focus stands for. Not sure if it was out of "love" - but it is part of their core beliefs.

 

[Jason Wood]

The only people that hate Tebow are losers in the game of life. They are jealous of how awesome of a person Tebow is. They look at Tebow, hate him with Envy and then go back to live in their mom's basement.

That's a little over the top. I think fans of AFC West teams have valid reason to hate him (he plays for a rival and is winning). I can understand if SEC fans carry over a little hate too (he played for a rival and won). I also think some people in general dislike it when an unproven player, any unproven player, receives too many accolades, although it is getting more difficult to call him unproven at the NFL level.

You make valid points. I was referring to people hating on Tebow do to other reasons. They know who they are.

Tebow has aligned himself with an extremely controversial group. This group has repeatedly called for a ban on equal rights for gays (they are also against porn and gambling).If these people hate all religious folks who push their beliefs then yes I agree that' ridiculous. I'm an atheist who has no problem with church pushers coming to my door (they're doing it from a place of love). But some groups push for beliefs I find extremely offensive and downright disgusting. Tebow has worked with a group that I have no respect for. Perhaps he simply shares their one belief on abortion. But they've been incredibly vocal on their anti-gay agenda so I'm hard pressed to believe Tebow isn't aware of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to hate someone who is a fan of Focus on the Family.

I assume he is against abortions, but the extent of his actions were doing a commercial for them right? Wasn't he paid for it? If they gave me enough money I'd do a commercial for the KKK even though I disagree with them. I know that's not a fair comparison because he probably at least agrees with the abortion stance, but doing a commercial against abortions doesn't mean you agree with everything that group stands for. I say this as a guy who thinks abortions are very good for society.

If you did a commercial for the KKK would you really be surprised if people thought you agreed with some of their beliefs? Especially their more vocal stances?Maybe Tebow disagrees with all of their beliefs but abortion. 1) doing a commercial with the group implies you agree with them to some extent (and their anti-gay agenda has been hard to miss if you know the group). 2) never speaking out against the group you worked with implies you agree with their beliefs to some extent.

Even if Tebow agrees with the group he's not the first NFL player to hate gay people.

I would not be surprised at all about the KKK point. I very much disagree with the bolded. I don't know whether Michael Jordan likes Hanes, but I assume he does commercials for them because they pay him not because he likes the products. There's a difference if Tebow wasn't paid (and I don't know if he was or wasn't). But when I see a commercial I assume whoever is in the commercial was motivated by pay not by their love of whatever they're espousing.I never saw the Tebow commercial so I don't really know what he said or anything. I only watch the Superbowl when my team is playing in it.

The Tebows have a long standing relationship with Focus. Focus has a large money making operation in the home school arena - it is used to provide books, courseware(intelligent design) and help for the Christian based home school families. Tim's high school education as a home schooled kid was a major story through his athletic endeavors and in his missionary story.

I don't think he was paid for this add - I'm not 100% sure he wasn't given any "apperance fee" - or maybe a quid pro quo to one of his foundations(or parents) from Focus - the bottom line here is that the Tebows know exactly what Focus stands for. Not sure if it was out of "love" - but it is part of their core beliefs.

Anytime I see a thread where someone contends that the Christian viewpoint is persecuted unfairly, I have to step back out. That's like me saying it's tough getting a fair shake as a white adult male in this society.