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Andy Dufresne said:
Huh, I guess I did not know that. :thumbup:
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I think your film critique still works, it's not like all the wealthy gilded age people said, "hey it's 1900 now, we got to scale back our obnoxious wealth."

 
Every night in my dreams 
I'd see it, I'd feel it, 
And remember how it would go on 

Falling down the top deck
The ship a complete wreck 
But first two hours of bad plot go on 

Jack, Rose, he paints what she shows 
Then they make like they're flying at dawn 
Rich, poor, they #### til they're sore
And you just know the plot 
Will go on and on 

Splash, splash, they all take a bath
Open a door and you're gone
Trying to find a life line 
Goes on for a lifetime
Even then the plot still goes on and on.

 

 
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Shelly Duvall is in one of the upcoming films on my list. 

But it isn't The Shining. I never much cared for that movie though I'm a huge fan of the novel. 

 
Titanic - one of those films with some good parts and some very bad parts!

Rose: "I counted the lifeboats and there isn't enough for everyone". I groaned out load in the theater on that one.  :loco:

 
Mr. Mojo said:
Titanic - one of those films with some good parts and some very bad parts!

Rose: "I counted the lifeboats and there isn't enough for everyone". I groaned out load in the theater on that one.  :loco:
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I liked watching the boat sinking.  Besides that it was meh

 
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Count me among those who likes this movie a lot.  Okay, it's annoying how Jack and Rose call each other by name about 393 times in it :lol:  , but it was a very well done film otherwise.  The fact that Cameron got the two lead roles to be played by actors who actually are really good helped, as opposed to getting ones who only do "romantic style" movies. 

 
timschochet said:
Shelly Duvall is in one of the upcoming films on my list. 

But it isn't The Shining. I never much cared for that movie though I'm a huge fan of the novel. 
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The Shining (the movie) is effing great. The book on tge other hand is merely goid.

I cannot imagine liking a different movie with Shelley Duvall anywhere near a lead

 
33. Manhattan (1979)

Directed by: Woody Allen

Starring: Woody Allen, Diane Keaton, Mariel Hemingway, Meryl Streep

This is the first of four Woody Allen films that are pretty high up on my list. All four movies are from what I consider the "golden era" of Woody Allen movies, roughly from 1977-1987. The period before 1977 has most of Allen's more "slapstick" comedies, which I very much enjoy and which many people consider his best work. The 30 years or so since 1987 has his largest body of work, with several good movies, and some really poor ones. The ten year period I listed here also has some poor movies (particularly Stardust Memories which is nearly unwatchable and might be his worst film), but it also includes quite possibly, IMO, the best examination of love and human relationships in all of movies.

Manhattan is one of these films. Shot in gorgeous black and white (by cinematographer Gordon Willis, best known for the Godfather movies), featuring the music of George Gershwin, this movie is known as Allen's tribute to the city he loves. But as per his best films it's the story of the relationships that makes it so good to watch. Diane Keaton is the opposite of her role in Annie Hall, here she is #####y and annoying, rather than charming. Mariel Hemingway is sweet and good-natured (and so young, which is extremely disturbing especially given what we know about Allen's personal life.)

Though the movie was filmed in the 70s somehow neither the humor nor dialogue seems dated; there is a timeless, universal quality to Allen's writing because of the subject matter he is willing to explore.

Up next: He's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. My son has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about.

 
timschochet said:
Up next: He's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. My son has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
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Oooh.  One that I knew and actually really like! 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Count me among those who likes this movie a lot.  Okay, it's annoying how Jack and Rose call each other by name about 393 times in it :lol:  , but it was a very well done film otherwise.  The fact that Cameron got the two lead roles to be played by actors who actually are really good helped, as opposed to getting ones who only do "romantic style" movies. 
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Actually I thought the choices for the romantic leads were pretty ill suited for each other, big gal, little guy. And the whole movie - come on - is the sinking and they take waaayyyy too long to get to that. However the technical detail and attention to class differences was great.

 
timschochet said:
33. Manhattan (1979)

Directed by: Woody Allen

Starring: Woody Allen, Diane Keaton, Mariel Hemingway, Meryl Streep

This is the first of four Woody Allen films that are pretty high up on my list. All four movies are from what I consider the "golden era" of Woody Allen movies, roughly from 1977-1987. The period before 1977 has most of Allen's more "slapstick" comedies, which I very much enjoy and which many people consider his best work. The 30 years or so since 1987 has his largest body of work, with several good movies, and some really poor ones. The ten year period I listed here also has some poor movies (particularly Stardust Memories which is nearly unwatchable and might be his worst film), but it also includes quite possibly, IMO, the best examination of love and human relationships in all of movies.

Manhattan is one of these films. Shot in gorgeous black and white (by cinematographer Gordon Willis, best known for the Godfather movies), featuring the music of George Gershwin, this movie is known as Allen's tribute to the city he loves. But as per his best films it's the story of the relationships that makes it so good to watch. Diane Keaton is the opposite of her role in Annie Hall, here she is #####y and annoying, rather than charming. Mariel Hemingway is sweet and good-natured (and so young, which is extremely disturbing especially given what we know about Allen's personal life.)

Though the movie was filmed in the 70s somehow neither the humor nor dialogue seems dated; there is a timeless, universal quality to Allen's writing because of the subject matter he is willing to explore.

Up next: He's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. My son has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
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This and the next are top 10 for me. 

 
timschochet said:
Up next: He's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. My son has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
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After what was an obvious lack in judgement on Titanic, you rebound with a very nice selection here.  One of my personal favorites.

 
32. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)

Directed by: Steven Zaillian

Starring: Max Pomeranc, Joe Mantegna, Ben Kingsley, Laurence Fishburne, Joan Allen

As a chess freak myself I'm naturally going to be attracted to any film about the subject (and there aren't too many) but this movie has a much wider, more universal theme than chess: it's about when children are good at any organized activity, particularly those that involve competition, and how much a parent should be involved. Anyone who's child has been in any organized sport or competition can relate to certain aspects of the film. It also addresses the rarer instances when one's child is a true prodigy.

Of course it helps when there is a tight, well-written script (Zaillian also wrote Schindler's List, so he knows what he's about), good characters and fine acting. All of which this film does. It also tells an inspiring story, and the "good" kid defeats the "bad" kid in the end.

A few notes for the non-chess geeks, in case you're interested: yeah the characters are real, but not as they're represented. Bruce Pandolfini does not have an Irish accent (that was strange but it works for the film.) Josh Waitzkin never rose above a master level player, though he did win US Junior championships. But he was not close to the "next Bobby Fischer". If a grandmaster is the equivalent of an NBA player, and Bobby Fischer is the equivalent of Michael Jordan, then Waitzkin would be a good college basketball player but not good enough to be drafted. His final game in the movie, simplified for the audience to understand, is one that never would have happened in real life. Poe, the losing player, would have resigned long before he queened his pawn. (Even before that GM Larry Evans noted a key mistake ten moves earlier that Poe never would have made- this is the sort of thing chess geeks live for.)

Finally, Bobby FIscher did not disappear as the movie indicates. He simply stopped playing, and went into seclusion. But people in the chess world knew where he was.

Up next: People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.

 
timschochet said:
32. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)

Directed by: Steven Zaillian

Starring: Max Pomeranc, Joe Mantegna, Ben Kingsley, Laurence Fishburne, Joan Allen

As a chess freak myself I'm naturally going to be attracted to any film about the subject (and there aren't too many) but this movie has a much wider, more universal theme than chess: it's about when children are good at any organized activity, particularly those that involve competition, and how much a parent should be involved. Anyone who's child has been in any organized sport or competition can relate to certain aspects of the film. It also addresses the rarer instances when one's child is a true prodigy.

Of course it helps when there is a tight, well-written script (Zaillian also wrote Schindler's List, so he knows what he's about), good characters and fine acting. All of which this film does. It also tells an inspiring story, and the "good" kid defeats the "bad" kid in the end.

A few notes for the non-chess geeks, in case you're interested: yeah the characters are real, but not as they're represented. Bruce Pandolfini does not have an Irish accent (that was strange but it works for the film.) Josh Waitzkin never rose above a master level player, though he did win US Junior championships. But he was not close to the "next Bobby Fischer". If a grandmaster is the equivalent of an NBA player, and Bobby Fischer is the equivalent of Michael Jordan, then Waitzkin would be a good college basketball player but not good enough to be drafted. His final game in the movie, simplified for the audience to understand, is one that never would have happened in real life. Poe, the losing player, would have resigned long before he queened his pawn. (Even before that GM Larry Evans noted a key mistake ten moves earlier that Poe never would have made- this is the sort of thing chess geeks live for.)

Finally, Bobby FIscher did not disappear as the movie indicates. He simply stopped playing, and went into seclusion. But people in the chess world knew where he was.

Up next: People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
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You did not mention incredible cinematography. And the pacing (editing) is so well done. This movie is a technical masterpiece mostly because you don't notice it. Love. This. Movie.   

 
timschochet said:
32. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)

Directed by: Steven Zaillian

Starring: Max Pomeranc, Joe Mantegna, Ben Kingsley, Laurence Fishburne, Joan Allen

As a chess freak myself I'm naturally going to be attracted to any film about the subject (and there aren't too many) but this movie has a much wider, more universal theme than chess: it's about when children are good at any organized activity, particularly those that involve competition, and how much a parent should be involved. Anyone who's child has been in any organized sport or competition can relate to certain aspects of the film. It also addresses the rarer instances when one's child is a true prodigy.

Of course it helps when there is a tight, well-written script (Zaillian also wrote Schindler's List, so he knows what he's about), good characters and fine acting. All of which this film does. It also tells an inspiring story, and the "good" kid defeats the "bad" kid in the end.

A few notes for the non-chess geeks, in case you're interested: yeah the characters are real, but not as they're represented. Bruce Pandolfini does not have an Irish accent (that was strange but it works for the film.) Josh Waitzkin never rose above a master level player, though he did win US Junior championships. But he was not close to the "next Bobby Fischer". If a grandmaster is the equivalent of an NBA player, and Bobby Fischer is the equivalent of Michael Jordan, then Waitzkin would be a good college basketball player but not good enough to be drafted. His final game in the movie, simplified for the audience to understand, is one that never would have happened in real life. Poe, the losing player, would have resigned long before he queened his pawn. (Even before that GM Larry Evans noted a key mistake ten moves earlier that Poe never would have made- this is the sort of thing chess geeks live for.)

Finally, Bobby FIscher did not disappear as the movie indicates. He simply stopped playing, and went into seclusion. But people in the chess world knew where he was.

Up next: People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
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I liken this one to Finding Forrester.  Nice smooth pacing, interesting topic, good acting.  Yet never would I say top 100.

 
Maybe I need to rewatch Fischer. I was pretty young when I saw it and it didn't do anything for me. Manhattan on the other hand is a well deserving of it's place here, the best Woody Allen movie IMO. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Maybe I need to rewatch Fischer. I was pretty young when I saw it and it didn't do anything for me. Manhattan on the other hand is a well deserving of it's place here, the best Woody Allen movie IMO. 
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I think it hits home. Everyone likes to think they have gifted children/relative children, etc., but when they're truly special, the frustration of the balance of hanging out and being able to converse with them can be intimidating. This movie almost perfectly reflects parental issues when dealing with a prodigy. 

You probably get that as a teacher often; but you're also really smart. Watching some of these kids is daunting at times.  

 
timschochet said:
32. Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)

Directed by: Steven Zaillian

Starring: Max Pomeranc, Joe Mantegna, Ben Kingsley, Laurence Fishburne, Joan Allen

As a chess freak myself I'm naturally going to be attracted to any film about the subject (and there aren't too many) but this movie has a much wider, more universal theme than chess: it's about when children are good at any organized activity, particularly those that involve competition, and how much a parent should be involved. Anyone who's child has been in any organized sport or competition can relate to certain aspects of the film. It also addresses the rarer instances when one's child is a true prodigy.

Of course it helps when there is a tight, well-written script (Zaillian also wrote Schindler's List, so he knows what he's about), good characters and fine acting. All of which this film does. It also tells an inspiring story, and the "good" kid defeats the "bad" kid in the end.

A few notes for the non-chess geeks, in case you're interested: yeah the characters are real, but not as they're represented. Bruce Pandolfini does not have an Irish accent (that was strange but it works for the film.) Josh Waitzkin never rose above a master level player, though he did win US Junior championships. But he was not close to the "next Bobby Fischer". If a grandmaster is the equivalent of an NBA player, and Bobby Fischer is the equivalent of Michael Jordan, then Waitzkin would be a good college basketball player but not good enough to be drafted. His final game in the movie, simplified for the audience to understand, is one that never would have happened in real life. Poe, the losing player, would have resigned long before he queened his pawn. (Even before that GM Larry Evans noted a key mistake ten moves earlier that Poe never would have made- this is the sort of thing chess geeks live for.)

Finally, Bobby FIscher did not disappear as the movie indicates. He simply stopped playing, and went into seclusion. But people in the chess world knew where he was.

Up next: People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
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Tremendous movie.  Helps immensely to like chess.   Some really fine actors in this.

 
rockaction said:
I think it hits home. Everyone likes to think they have gifted children/relative children, etc., but when they're truly special, the frustration of the balance of hanging out and being able to converse with them can be intimidating. This movie almost perfectly reflects parental issues when dealing with a prodigy. 

You probably get that as a teacher often; but you're also really smart. Watching some of these kids is daunting at times.  
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Dealing with prodigies? No, that is not something I have really encountered. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Dealing with prodigies? No, that is not something I have really encountered. 
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Ah, I was thinking that but I assumed there are a few that might have blown your mind at times. Maybe not. My brother seems to feel the same way you do. All I know is I'm pretty intelligent -- my niece, who I do not brag on, is about twenty times beyond me. That's not a braggart statement, it's fact. 

Wow. What to do with her? She's in BC Calc at 16. Oh my.  

 
rockaction said:
Ah, I was thinking that but I assumed there are a few that might have blown your mind at times. Maybe not. My brother seems to feel the same way you do. All I know is I'm pretty intelligent -- my niece, who I do not brag on, is about twenty times beyond me. That's not a braggart statement, it's fact. 

Wow. What to do with her? She's in BC Calc at 16. Oh my.  
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We had a kid that was super smart like that but she tested out of most her HS classes and was off to college by 15 or 16. I never had her in a class. I've had kids that were MENSA level smart but not intimidating or anything, just normal kids. The girl I have now who is super bright is pretty lazy and just coasts on her smarts. She's not very impressive.

 
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31. The American President (1995)

Directed by: Rob Reiner

Starring: Michael Douglas, Annette Bening, Michael J. Fox, Martin Sheen

The West Wing is my favorite TV show of all time, and this film, written by it's creator Aaron Sorkin, is its precursor. Sure, Andrew Shepard is a little different than Jed Bartlett Ithough not in ideology) but Martin Sheen's character in the film is Leo from the show, while Michael J. Fox could be Sam or Josh. It's also astonishing that, 22 years after this film has been made, the political issues that it focuses on (climate change and gun control) remain part of the national discussion.

Beyond these points, this is a fine romantic comedy in the best Hollywood tradition. Like all Sorkin works, the dialogue is funny, quick witted, and poignant. And watching this film and the TV show that followed, they serve as a fictional contrast against what reality has given us in the White House.

Next up: I love him! I love him for the man he wants to be. And I love him for the man he almost is.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
I always felt sorry for Annette Bening in the film as they made her look as unattractive as possible.
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Odd. I don't think of her as a super attractive lady - but I think she is gorgeous in this movie.

Oh, and I'm with tri-man, LOVE this movie.

 
30. Jerry Maguire (1996)

Directed by: Cameron Crowe

Starring: Tom Cruise, Renee Zellweger, Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Hard to believe this movie is over 20 years old, because it still seems so modern. I don't really need to explain the plot, everybody's seen it. I'll just comment that it's very well written, well acted, well directed. The music soundtrack is great (this movie introduced me to Ricky Lee Jones' "The Horses", which is now one of my all time favorite songs.)

Cruise is probably his most likable ever in this role. Jay Mohr is a really good villain too. Glen Fry makes a surprise appearance as the Arizona GM. And as for Kelly Preston...damn what a beautiful woman.

Up next: It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.

 
rockaction said:
I love this movie. Just adore it for so many reasons, not the least of which is having young relatives who are so incomprehensibly smart that one doesn't know how to talk to them or what to do with them! 

Love it.  
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Oh holy hell.  Buckle up because we agree on something.  This movie (Bobby Fischer) is pretty much perfection.

tim, I didn't get to say "come back!" when you left as I was too late, but I'm glad you're back.  I poked into this thread and found my last unread post was May 2016!  

Now for my nearly indefensible admission:  I love Jerry Maguire.  A little part of it could be the circumstances under which I first saw it (helping a friend cheer up from some awful stuff), but largely it's that it's just...always charmed me.  Quite a few times I've settled on it in the "nothing better on" situation of wanting some background noise and then found myself pulled in.  It's unabashedly kind and sweet and uplifting, sort of the way I wish things were.  And funny as hell.

That said, most of your list blows.  Welcome back.

 
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krista4 said:
Oh holy hell.  Buckle up because we agree on something.  This movie (Bobby Fischer) is pretty much perfection.

tim, I didn't get to say "come back!" when you left as I was too late, but I'm glad you're back.  I poked into this thread and found my last unread post was May 2016!  

Now for my nearly indefensible admission:  I love Jerry Maguire.  A little part of it could be the circumstances under which I first saw it (helping a friend cheer up from some awful stuff), but largely it's that it's just...always charmed me.  Quite a few times I've settled on it in the "nothing better on" situation of wanting some background noise and then found myself pulled in.  It's unabashedly kind and sweet and uplifting, sort of the way I wish things were.  And funny as hell.

That said, most of your list blows.  Welcome back.
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Heh. I think artistically and (possibly) emotionally and spiritually we agree on more than we think, but stuff on the internet is also left often unsaid. I often (almost always) find your comments insightful and in good tone; I'm just not in the habit of positively reinforcing those things that I find valuable. I need to work on that. Cheers, krista4. 

 
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rockaction said:
Heh. I think artistically and (possibly) emotionally and spiritually we agree on more than we think, but stuff on the internet is also left often unsaid. I often (almost always) find your comments insightful and in good tone; I'm just not in the habit of positively reinforcing those things that I find valuable. I need to work on that. Cheers, krista4. 
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Completely agree with this, including agreement on both of us being stubborn jerks sometimes.  Cheers back atcha.

 
timschochet said:
36. Andrew Johnson

The Good

Abraham Lincoln believed that the Reconstruction of the South should not be punitive in nature. Johnson agreed with him. The Radical Republicans did not, and therein caused the conflict between them. Johnson believed that men like Andrew Stephens could continue to serve the United States. Under Andrew Johnson, the United States successfully acquired Alaska from the Russians. Andrew Johnson reaffirmed the Constitutional right of the President to fire whomever he wanted to by removing Edward Stanton, which violated the unconstitutional Tenure of Office act passed by Congress.

The Bad

Johnson, a Southern man of his time, did not believe that blacks should be given citizenship and particularly the right to vote in the South. Johnson was unable to work with Congress, dominated by radical Republicans. He has the disgrace of being the first President to be impeached, and unlike Bill Clinton, he only barely survived removal. Johnson must also be attributed with the execution of Mary Surratt and 3 others for the death of Lincoln, which were essentially political executions.

Analysis

The radical Republicans wanted to punish the South, and they wanted freedmen to vote because it would add power to the Republicans. They feared that returning the southern states to the fold too quickly would swing power back to the Democratic party. So much of their clamor on behalf of African-Americans was wholly cynical, and Andrew Johnson recognized this. The impeachment was a complete sham- most of it's articles were lies, and the main one attempted to remove him for something he had a constitutional right to do- fire whomever he wanted to.

I'm not suggesting that Andrew Johnson was a good or effective President. But I think he was better than the guys I have ranked below him. He was a man of conviction who sought to reintegrate the South without taking advantage of it's misery. He was blocked from doing so by some pretty unscrupulous people. Johnson was also supported by some pretty bad guys as well, such as the founders of the Ku Klux Klan. As I look at the Reconstruction struggle, it's hard to find very many heroes.

Analysis
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Gonna need this one.

He belongs at 44 but he's got company...

 
krista4 said:
Oh holy hell.  Buckle up because we agree on something.  This movie (Bobby Fischer) is pretty much perfection.

tim, I didn't get to say "come back!" when you left as I was too late, but I'm glad you're back.  I poked into this thread and found my last unread post was May 2016!  

Now for my nearly indefensible admission:  I love Jerry Maguire.  A little part of it could be the circumstances under which I first saw it (helping a friend cheer up from some awful stuff), but largely it's that it's just...always charmed me.  Quite a few times I've settled on it in the "nothing better on" situation of wanting some background noise and then found myself pulled in.  It's unabashedly kind and sweet and uplifting, sort of the way I wish things were.  And funny as hell.

That said, most of your list blows.  Welcome back.
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:lol:

 
krista4 said:
Oh holy hell.  Buckle up because we agree on something.  This movie (Bobby Fischer) is pretty much perfection.

tim, I didn't get to say "come back!" when you left as I was too late, but I'm glad you're back.  I poked into this thread and found my last unread post was May 2016!  

Now for my nearly indefensible admission:  I love Jerry Maguire.  A little part of it could be the circumstances under which I first saw it (helping a friend cheer up from some awful stuff), but largely it's that it's just...always charmed me.  Quite a few times I've settled on it in the "nothing better on" situation of wanting some background noise and then found myself pulled in.  It's unabashedly kind and sweet and uplifting, sort of the way I wish things were.  And funny as hell.

That said, most of your list blows.  Welcome back.
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Love you krista! But you're just pissed off that my list doesn't have any long, endlessly boring foreign films about donkeys. (There are 29 movies left, though so you never know...)

 
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