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ScottNorwood
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Good talk guys - I'll see myself out.
John Maddens Lunchbox
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I think he was miscast, but acquitted himself well. Coming off Ferris Bueller it was hard to get that role out of your head. The more I've watched this movie, the better Broderick gets. If you think about the age the guy Broderick was playing would have been, the fresh face isnt that out of place. A more assured officer wouldnt have got that job and Broderick conveys naivete well.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hold on. Gettysburg has boring parts (it is bloated and was intended as a miniseries) but has some awesome parts. The battle of Little Round Top is anything but boring.timschochet said:
God's and Generals is definitely a mess.
Glory is just amazing with an equally amazing James Horner score.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Really? That movie may have been shocking and groundbreaking at the time. Today, it's pretty lame IMO. There are definitely better Poitier movies and better Hepburn/Tracy films.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I'm not saying that you have bad taste in movies I'm really not. And I liked Glory a lot. Agree with everything you said about it.
But how the **** you rank it higher than Godfather? On what planet is that a real thing? This one? Nope, not on this one. You're on some different plane of existence or something.
Again. In my humble opinion. YMMV. Etcetera, etcetera.
But how the **** you rank it higher than Godfather? On what planet is that a real thing? This one? Nope, not on this one. You're on some different plane of existence or something.
Again. In my humble opinion. YMMV. Etcetera, etcetera.
Yankee23Fan
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Woah woah woah... Boring?timschochet said:
Gettysburg? The movie about Gettysburg? The one with the President Bartlett, the bouncer from RoadHouse and the guy from Dumb and Dumber who also played the greatest news anchor in television history for three seasons of an HBO show? That Gettysburg?
Just when I want to like you you go and do something like that. Like playing cards with my brother's kids or something....
Andy Dufresne
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Agree. Tried to watch it recently and rarely seen anything more staid and stagy. Would have enjoyed a slasher musical more. Important, yes, but to put it on a favorites list you'd have to be a humorless, lip-service progressive with a pineapple up your a........................................nm
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again. I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again.
Glory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Godfather
Ilov80s
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timschochet
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Yankee23Fan
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Eh, tomato tomahto.
We need a new american history type list thing. Finish this one up already.
We need a new american history type list thing. Finish this one up already.
timschochet
Footballguy
13. The Caine Mutiny (1954)
Directed by: Edward Dmytryk
Starring: Humphrey Bogart, Fred MacMurray, Van Johnson, Jose Ferrer
Columbia Pictures told Stanley Kramer, the producer of this film, that they were afraid that Herman Wouk's story might be perceived as "anti-military" (this was during the Red Scare), so Kramer puts in lots of scenes glorifying the Navy, along with a message at the beginning of the film about how wonderful US servicemen are. Actually, I found that these inclusions add to the film's likability.
Most people remember Bogart, of course, because Queeg is at once one of the greatest Hollywood villains ever, but what's really ironic is that he's not the villain of the movie at all- indeed, he's a hero, as the film eventually demonstrates. The true villain is Keefer, played by MacMurray, who was simply a spectacular noir actor before he gave that up to become the fatherly star of My Three Sons. Van Johnson was also terrific as the hero Maryk (Johnson was a gay movie star who tragically had to live in the closet, even to the point of marrying). Robert Francis as Keith had a promising movie career ahead of him, but died only a year later in a plane crash. Jose Ferrer had perhaps the greatest voice in movie history.
Anyhow, this is my favorite of the great old fashioned Hollywood war movies. It's riveting all throughout. And it's also my favorite Bogart role.
Up next: Six years from now, I'll be back here with my wife and two kids. And I'll see you, and one of my kids will say, "Daddy, who is that?" And I'll say it's not nice to point at single fat women.
Directed by: Edward Dmytryk
Starring: Humphrey Bogart, Fred MacMurray, Van Johnson, Jose Ferrer
Columbia Pictures told Stanley Kramer, the producer of this film, that they were afraid that Herman Wouk's story might be perceived as "anti-military" (this was during the Red Scare), so Kramer puts in lots of scenes glorifying the Navy, along with a message at the beginning of the film about how wonderful US servicemen are. Actually, I found that these inclusions add to the film's likability.
Most people remember Bogart, of course, because Queeg is at once one of the greatest Hollywood villains ever, but what's really ironic is that he's not the villain of the movie at all- indeed, he's a hero, as the film eventually demonstrates. The true villain is Keefer, played by MacMurray, who was simply a spectacular noir actor before he gave that up to become the fatherly star of My Three Sons. Van Johnson was also terrific as the hero Maryk (Johnson was a gay movie star who tragically had to live in the closet, even to the point of marrying). Robert Francis as Keith had a promising movie career ahead of him, but died only a year later in a plane crash. Jose Ferrer had perhaps the greatest voice in movie history.
Anyhow, this is my favorite of the great old fashioned Hollywood war movies. It's riveting all throughout. And it's also my favorite Bogart role.
Up next: Six years from now, I'll be back here with my wife and two kids. And I'll see you, and one of my kids will say, "Daddy, who is that?" And I'll say it's not nice to point at single fat women.
BobbyLayne
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You're fine calling them the 54th Massachusetts, but their historical is 54th Massachusetts (Colored) Volunteer Infantry. Commonly referred to that in numerous books & websites. Though you have to wonder where the parenthetical reference came from? The 175 federal regiments were called USCT, but the state regiments didn't seem to use the C word in their title (think there was like 6 state regiments.) pretty minor point.timschochet said:
Great movie, and along with Ken Burns PBS series, proved to be a critical element in a resurgence in ACW history & battlefield tourism.
But...no where there Godfather I or II in any ranking. The story lags in the middle.
timschochet
Footballguy
Interesting stuff.
Obviously, my ranking of The Godfather Part II as my 23rd favorite movie of all time appears to be my most controversial choice so far. I do love that movie, or it wouldn't be #23 on my list. But IMO it is flawed compared to the movies I have ranked above it. I'll discuss this in a little more detail when I get to the original film (a little later on.)
timschochet
Footballguy
Yep. It's even in the title. "Favorite".
If I were ranking the BEST films of all time (which I am not at all qualified to do,) I would probably end up including some movies in my top 10 that aren't anywhere on this list: such as:
Citizen Kane
8 1/2
2001: A Space Odyssey
Other movies that are not on this list but would have to be on that one, in no particular order:
Sunset Boulevard
The Seventh Seal
Gone With the Wind
The Wizard of Oz
Casablanca
To Kill A Mockingbird
Psycho
Vertigo
Rear Window
Persona
The Grand Illusion
City Lights
The Graduate
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
The post-WWII era was tough on Hollywood. The studio system was much weaker than the 30s and the industry faced challenges from television and the red scare. But there were some great war movies that came out in the immediate aftermath. They struck a more realistic and reflective tone than the jingoism of the war years. Other great ones included Twelve O'Clock High, Stalag 17, They Were Expendable and Battleground. I don't think modern viewers can appreciate them same way that contemporary audiences did.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'm just wondering why you're getting hammered, then. I'd watch Glory 20 times on rerun before I'd watch any of the Godfather films if I had a choice. I grew up in the 60s/70s, and those New Hollywood movies like The Godfather have not aged well. Hopefully, enough of us older folks will retire and there will be a reassessment of those films by younger critics. I don't think GF1 is even a particularly good movie and GF2 is WAY too long (plus, Pacino is an awful actor and failed miserably having to carry the "modern" portion)
timschochet
Footballguy
You're going too far for me. I simply can't agree with you. Both are, IMO, incredibly entertaining films- the first significantly more than the second.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't think they suck, and I can appreciate the craft.
No one will ever convince me that Pacino was a good actor in those films, though.
Ilov80s
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Gr00vus
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I found him to be distractingly stiff and awkward in this movie. I realize he was probably going for stiff in the role, assuming that was how a person of that class/station would comport themselves in that era, but it just didn't come off convincingly. It was particularly glaring to me because there were so many other actors knocking it out of the park in the same film. And I've got nothing against Broderick in general (I think he was perfect in Election).John Maddens Lunchbox said:
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
No one said lines like they just came into his head like Bogie. And you can have your Waynes & Schwarzeneggers & Rocks - Bogie's ordinary men doing extraordinary things are 100x more heroic than any of em without an ounce of leaping, riding, running, strafing or sweating because they have the fear, doubt, corruption, honor and purpose of a real person within em.
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timschochet
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But Bogart had another dimension to him that Ford and others like the ones WP mentioned did not: all thoroughout his career, he often played the villain as well as the hero. As I pointed out The Caine Mutiny is somewhat complicated: Queeg is paranoid and small-minded but not truly a villain. But in another film I love from a year earlier, The Desperate Hours, Bogie plays an escaped convict and killer who is pure evil.
Most Hollywood stars back then, and some to this day, are typecast: if moviegoers perceive them as good guys, they don't play bad guys. When's the last time Tom Cruise played the villain? Bogart was one of the great exceptions to this rule. Jack Nicholson is another.
Most Hollywood stars back then, and some to this day, are typecast: if moviegoers perceive them as good guys, they don't play bad guys. When's the last time Tom Cruise played the villain? Bogart was one of the great exceptions to this rule. Jack Nicholson is another.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Bogart's best performance, IMO, is in In A Lonely Place.
It's so nuanced and he shows what acting is ALL about in the last 15 minutes. An absolute clinic. I can't think of many times (any?) where I shared the character's emotions as much.
It's so nuanced and he shows what acting is ALL about in the last 15 minutes. An absolute clinic. I can't think of many times (any?) where I shared the character's emotions as much.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I most intensely remember my first Bogie experience. I knew who he was cuz he was big when i was a kid and my uncle & dad's college buds were always imitating him but i hadn't really seen him til a sick day when the Dialing-for-Dollars movie had this stoopit thing of Bette Davis & a gay guy arguing about poetry outside a gas station in the desert. I had a fever & was waiting for soup so i didnt get up and change the channel. Then a gangster car pulled up and this sweaty, unshaven guy gets out and looks at everybody like he's deciding whether to shoot em or bite their nose off. And he's scared and he's mad and obnoxious and cool at the same time and he's making everybody be scared and mad and sweaty too cuz he's gotta hole up and wait for dis dame, see?! And it was just the bossest ####in thing i ever saw. I can still feel Bogie's Duke Mantee inside me in turbulent times.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yaknow, I can't help but think Trump forcing Comey to appear to unfurl the FISA warrant to disprove Trump's claims isn't going to end well.
timschochet
Footballguy
12. Broadcast News (1987)
Directed by: James L. Brooks
Starring: Holly Hunter, William Hurt, Albert Brooks
In a way, this movie is a companion piece to Network, in that, filmed a decade later, it continues to show the deterioration of the news media into entertainment. But although its not as creative or as sharply written as that previous film, I find it more entertaining because it's three main characters are so well defined. Broadcast News is, above all else, a romantic comedy, and it works because we believe in and empathize with its stars.
Holly Hunter gives IMO the best performance of her career as the modern American executive woman, brilliant and obsessive-compulsive, yet insecure. Her character would have been impossible ten years earlier (Faye Dunaway's Diane Christensen is a caricature by comparison). Albert Brooks plays, well, Albert Brooks, as he does in the previous two movies I have placed on my list (Lost in America and Defending Your Life). But he's very good at this role, and he's given a lot of great snarky lines to work with. But between the 3 of them, perhaps the guy with the hardest acting job is William Hurt, because he has to come off as well-meaning, very good at what he does (network anchorman), but somewhat stupid, yet real. The last two words are what makes it so difficult- Hurt could have easily played this like Ted Knight from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, but he's going for a deeper pathos than that, and he achieves it.
The movie also features some great supporting characters (particularly Joan Cusack and Jack Nicholson), and like all James L. Brooks movies is expertly written in a witty style that Aaron Sorkin would come to imitate.
Up Next: I've done my share of bootlegging. Up 'ere, if you engage in what the federal government calls 'illegal activity,' but what we call 'just a man tryin' to make a livin' for his family sellin' moonshine liquor,' it behooves oneself to keep his wits. Long story short, we hear a story too good to be true... it ain't.
Directed by: James L. Brooks
Starring: Holly Hunter, William Hurt, Albert Brooks
In a way, this movie is a companion piece to Network, in that, filmed a decade later, it continues to show the deterioration of the news media into entertainment. But although its not as creative or as sharply written as that previous film, I find it more entertaining because it's three main characters are so well defined. Broadcast News is, above all else, a romantic comedy, and it works because we believe in and empathize with its stars.
Holly Hunter gives IMO the best performance of her career as the modern American executive woman, brilliant and obsessive-compulsive, yet insecure. Her character would have been impossible ten years earlier (Faye Dunaway's Diane Christensen is a caricature by comparison). Albert Brooks plays, well, Albert Brooks, as he does in the previous two movies I have placed on my list (Lost in America and Defending Your Life). But he's very good at this role, and he's given a lot of great snarky lines to work with. But between the 3 of them, perhaps the guy with the hardest acting job is William Hurt, because he has to come off as well-meaning, very good at what he does (network anchorman), but somewhat stupid, yet real. The last two words are what makes it so difficult- Hurt could have easily played this like Ted Knight from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, but he's going for a deeper pathos than that, and he achieves it.
The movie also features some great supporting characters (particularly Joan Cusack and Jack Nicholson), and like all James L. Brooks movies is expertly written in a witty style that Aaron Sorkin would come to imitate.
Up Next: I've done my share of bootlegging. Up 'ere, if you engage in what the federal government calls 'illegal activity,' but what we call 'just a man tryin' to make a livin' for his family sellin' moonshine liquor,' it behooves oneself to keep his wits. Long story short, we hear a story too good to be true... it ain't.
timschochet
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11. Inglorious Basterds (2009)
Directed by: Quentin Tarantino
Starring: Brad Pitt, Christoph Waltz, Melanie Laurent
Just a fantastic, entertaining film in so many ways. There are a number of great Hollywood WWII movies that I love but was forced to leave off my list, including, in no particular order, The Great Escape, The Dirty Dozen, The Guns of Navarone, The Eagle Has Landed, Where Eagles Dare, Stalag 17. Tarantino borrows from all of these and from numerous other sources as well in order to tell his fantasy story about killing Hitler. And that's awesome, because everything works in this movie: the tension, suspense, humor, acting, directing, is all top notch.
Christoph Waltz has the role of a lifetime here, for which he'll no doubt always be remembered. Brad Pitt is fine in a caricature role. Michael Fassbinder is only on screen for a few minutes but is extremely memorable, as is Eli Roth. And then there's Til Schweiger, so ####### awesome. I'm going to have to watch this movie again. So great.
Up next: I'm going to be a great film star! That is, if booze and sex don't get me first.
Directed by: Quentin Tarantino
Starring: Brad Pitt, Christoph Waltz, Melanie Laurent
Just a fantastic, entertaining film in so many ways. There are a number of great Hollywood WWII movies that I love but was forced to leave off my list, including, in no particular order, The Great Escape, The Dirty Dozen, The Guns of Navarone, The Eagle Has Landed, Where Eagles Dare, Stalag 17. Tarantino borrows from all of these and from numerous other sources as well in order to tell his fantasy story about killing Hitler. And that's awesome, because everything works in this movie: the tension, suspense, humor, acting, directing, is all top notch.
Christoph Waltz has the role of a lifetime here, for which he'll no doubt always be remembered. Brad Pitt is fine in a caricature role. Michael Fassbinder is only on screen for a few minutes but is extremely memorable, as is Eli Roth. And then there's Til Schweiger, so ####### awesome. I'm going to have to watch this movie again. So great.
Up next: I'm going to be a great film star! That is, if booze and sex don't get me first.
KarmaPolice
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I am on board with that one, but I am sure it will be polarizing for the FFA.
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