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msommer said:
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weak run game and allowing 300 yards passing per game will be a constant negative if they don't fix either. They won't be top 5 in ratings like this. 

That's not gonna go away especially when you consider most of the best teams have potential HOF quarterbacks nowadays. If the Titans allow (insert name) to throw for 300, what's that translate to for (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc)? The more people talk about the new guys applying pressure, it just makes the secondary seem worse ie limited time to cover. 

I do still support the old adage of winning by stopping the run and running the ball. I understand it's been proven false at times but all in all, it's a pretty sound theory for sports. 

 
I still want to see them beat Luck. I know he's just one guy and one team but that stinker has tore us up and I want that done hanging over our head

 
Bri said:
weak run game and allowing 300 yards passing per game will be a constant negative if they don't fix either. They won't be top 5 in ratings like this. 

That's not gonna go away especially when you consider most of the best teams have potential HOF quarterbacks nowadays. If the Titans allow (insert name) to throw for 300, what's that translate to for (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc)? The more people talk about the new guys applying pressure, it just makes the secondary seem worse ie limited time to cover. 

I do still support the old adage of winning by stopping the run and running the ball. I understand it's been proven false at times but all in all, it's a pretty sound theory for sports. 
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Sure, the jury is still out on whether the new regime can actually use the pegs they have been given in a meaningful manner. The Titans being listed as contenders for the playoffs is somewhat ahead of where I would put them, but I retain the right to be proven wrong

Bri said:
I still want to see them beat Luck. I know he's just one guy and one team but that stinker has tore us up and I want that done hanging over our head
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Agreed. Luck and the Colts must be defeated. To beat all teams in the first run through the division would be fantastic.

ETA: I also want to see them beat the Ratbirds, but if need be I can wait until the playoffs for that ;)  

 
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msommer said:
If the Titans want to beat the Colts, they'd better figure out how to stop Ebron
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He hasn't done so well at unseating Doyle. Nice game last night though. We'll see when Doyle returns.

Did ya notice Pascal in there? 

 
Six surprising storylines of the season

The Titans are an AFC power

If you don't jump on the Titans bandwagon now, it's probably not going to happen. Over the past two weeks, the Titans took out the Super Bowl-champion Eagles and AFC finalist Jaguars. They've done it with opportunistic offense and a defense that ranks amongst the NFL's best in several metrics. Tennessee's been especially stingy in the red zone, allowing a touchdown rate of 20 percent. If the Titans sustain that mark, it will be the lowest red-zone touchdown percentage allowed in a full season since at least 2000.

Are the Titans for real? Inconclusive. Marcus Mariota is coming off his best game of the season, but he's been banged up -- a recurring theme throughout his career. The running game is off to a slow start: Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis are at 3.0 and 3.3 yards per carry, respectively. The defense could also be due for a regression to the mean in red-zone D -- that would be problematic for a team that has a combined nine-point margin of victory in its first three wins.
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At the quarter mark, 1.44 yards per carry at right tackle and on D 6.69 at RDE with 5+ up the gut and around the right end(LT). 

Still NT being a prob and gotta get DaQuan to play only RDE and stop filling in at NT. Austin Johnson is a bust, how long are we gonna wait? Henry better get it rolling. JRob's trade down and grab Conklin looks worse by the day and yet it made him a genius on draft day.

Conk should improve the 1.44 a ton but it makes ya think about Kelly. Maybe we showered him with too much praise as a fillin? 

 
Bri said:
Still NT being a prob and gotta get DaQuan to play only RDE and stop filling in at NT. Austin Johnson is a bust, how long are we gonna wait?
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A bit stream of conciousness there - hard to keep track. Agree NT is still a concern. But if Austin is a bust, what alternatives do they have other than to get DaQuan to fill in? 

Bri said:
At the quarter mark, 1.44 yards per carry at right tackle and on D 6.69 at RDE with 5+ up the gut and around the right end(LT). 

Henry better get it rolling. JRob's trade down and grab Conklin looks worse by the day and yet it made him a genius on draft day.

Conk should improve the 1.44 a ton but it makes ya think about Kelly. Maybe we showered him with too much praise as a fillin? 
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Also agree. Conklin better put it together soon. They also can't use a lopsided offence only going to the left side

 
msommer said:
A bit stream of conciousness there - hard to keep track. Agree NT is still a concern. But if Austin is a bust, what alternatives do they have other than to get DaQuan to fill in? 




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The noname they signed, Darius Kilgo who was a PS player in Houston. Why sign him and not play him? Either play him or cut him and move on.

Naturally the answer here is Morgan. Landry has stepped up nicely and played a ton of snaps last game. Don't be benching the former DE for the rook, have Morgan push the ineffective Austin out. If Morgan is at end, then who cares that Daquan is at NT. If Morgan is the starter, maybe Austin does well as a sub because he has fresh legs?

At DE, Julius Warmsley who had a great camp but was cut. He appeared to beat out Austin. Matt Dickerson who has been dinged up since he made the 53. 

Teach them the 4-3! Several of these players played it in the NFL or college oh so recently so while it sounds like a huge change it really isn't as dramatic. 

They like the nickel zone (I don't because the LBs are left to cover the middle and the WRs run right there and easily catch it with a LB covering them) and have used it 40% of the time. That's a bit like a 4-3 in how the line lines up. 3 DL with an OLB with them. Landry has been super quick but hasn't had to do any moves. He's got a sack and 3 pressures through 3 games. Finch who plays like 5 snaps, 7, 8...he has nine pressures and a sack. His per snap pressure is highest in the NFL but without the minimum number of snaps, no one will ever call him as such.

Finch was the highest paid UDFA. One review called him the best taught DE, well-coached, perfect technique knows how to do everything. He's 6-6 250lbs and "drafted" to be an OLB. He didn't play OLB much at Temple where a 250 pounder is OK. In the NFL it's small. The height is good, but the weight is too small. His skill absolutely translated to the NFL. We know this now. He has done very well against the run and rushing the passer. It would take some time for him to learn to play the run and pass from the LB spot and he went undrafted because that's too much of a project. Well, start fattening him up and sub him in more. Not just as the nickel DE/OLB at the line of scrimmage but as a sincere end. I get why they only play him on 3rd and long and that the OLB depth is strong but if he keeps making plays then in my opinion, you have no choice but to play the guy. If Bortles had thrown for 500 yards, he'd have to play despite my love for Mariota. In the same vein, I don't care who Finch knocks out if he's playing this great. Did you see him stop the run? He spun past his T, turned and stared at the runner who changed direction, then he brushed the T aside and dove at the RBs feet to make the tackle. That is absolutely perfect winning his battle, holding his ground, chasing the play. Not to mention the athleticism that requires. On his sack, the 250 pounder did a switch with Casey and then bull rushed the RG. Little guy has some serious strength to beastly get through an NFL RG plus that's an NFL DL technique to switch after the snap. I don't care whose feathers it ruffles, play him more. Ween him in and maybe it's 15 snaps this week, 20 next week etc but get him in until he fails. Give him a 3rd and 5 rather than just 3rd and 8+. Does well? Give him another....on and on. We are simply not good enough to turn away someone having success 

 
Vrabel was grumpy all week last week and apparently decided the way to get them ready for a trap game was to yell at everyone. After the game, there was more but even angrier or maybe this time genuinely angry.

I expect several cuts as he throws his weight around (because it's about him, not the Titans). I don't expect anyone noteworthy except maybe Compton but as the 4th ILB he played an awful lot.

After the game, Compton was noted as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, twice. Apparently, this is why Bates went in for Rashaan. Compton was not good and was a Vrabel fave so maybe he survives and just catches the coach's ire.

Stinnie and Dickerson have been inactive for 5 games. The Titans signed former Houston backup TE (who is skinny and asked to be a blocking TE) and a backup NT (who has been awful.) I'd guess those 4 cut.

This is a 100% guess as I try to figure out his big ego but...let's see. 

 
Don't Noonan said:
Whoever that WR who dropped the wide open TD from Mariota in the 4th lost the game IMO.
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We win if he catches that.  However, there's a lot more that went wrong than 1 play.

We probably also win if we don't have an INT and two fumbles lost.

We probably also win if our "Star" Quarterback throws for more than 129 yards. 

Lesean McCoy had 85 rushing yards.  He hadn't broken 40 before today. 

We lost to a team led by a rookie QB and didn't force him to throw it. 

 
Taylor is special. In fact he looks it every time he lines up wide for a whole game. They should try that and stop with the gimmicky stuff and benching for everything.

I still love Burnett. The fans and writers did and he was a surprise cut like Wadley. He is on the Jets PS and knows the offense so get him. A great camp and with the ones at 20 years old...cant ask for more.

Dez is fighting depression in a major way. WRs have to be confident. His honesty in getting treatment may have been a mistake.

Most of all...most of curse all...is the fact that we had a #1 but decided to blackballl him all off-season and then rarely play him til he quit. This is entirely a self made prob by Vrabel whether its mistreatment of Matthews or misusing Taywan, he had the guys he needed.

 
I can't get past Wadley and Burnett. I think we discussed how they wouldn't play a lot except for the plays Wadley had installed for him. We thought they'd be more just in case types or a spark here and there. Burnett could get some slot work since he ran with the ones but it was probably going to be Matthews there.

Any other coach, any other time, these two (and Flu) would have gotten some touches. By keeping players that wouldn't play, Vrabel messed up the fluidity that's supposed to be the end of the roster and PS. These three wouldn't be major contributors but the starters would get a little nudge of pressure if Burnett made a catch or Wadley ran for 8 yards or Fluellen hard nosed some run up the gut. Vrabel (or any coach) would say "that's how it's done" and put the starter back in. That's typical sports and he is not doing that either. He's getting angry with the starters and thinks his stare will melt them rather than do this classic move every coach has done in all sports.

The thing that I remembered was Burnett went a long time, twice, without dropping a pass and reporters (Vrabel even made a comment) were trying to predict when he'd drop one. We have a drops problem this year, yet again and we cut the guy that caught everything so that we could keep a gunner! Cameron Batson. Sims, Kruik, and Jennings have been awesome at gunner and Adoree hasn't even had to fill in there. He did not need to keep a fourth gunner and what coach has ever done that? Kruik doesn't even really play D, two injuries later and he's playing a bit but he was "just a gunner" as he learned the S spot. Why keep two extra gunners? 

Three backs is the lowest ever....ever. 

Dawkins was added back to the PS and Vrabel mentioned his return work. Wadley was a better returner and Vrabel said he hoped Wadley didn't have to return the ball since Taywan, Jennings, and Adoree had it covered. I don't even think Taywan has returned one! Dawkins was activated and didn't play offense and didn't return a punt or kick. 

Throw in Stinnie and Dickerson never playing a snap but being on the active roster all season and he is totally messing up the end of the roster. This is a key for team management but as I mentioned above, it's also a good motivator and coaching tactic to have the end be fluid.

 
Bri said:
I can't get past Wadley and Burnett. I think we discussed how they wouldn't play a lot except for the plays Wadley had installed for him. We thought they'd be more just in case types or a spark here and there. Burnett could get some slot work since he ran with the ones but it was probably going to be Matthews there.

Any other coach, any other time, these two (and Flu) would have gotten some touches. By keeping players that wouldn't play, Vrabel messed up the fluidity that's supposed to be the end of the roster and PS. These three wouldn't be major contributors but the starters would get a little nudge of pressure if Burnett made a catch or Wadley ran for 8 yards or Fluellen hard nosed some run up the gut. Vrabel (or any coach) would say "that's how it's done" and put the starter back in. That's typical sports and he is not doing that either. He's getting angry with the starters and thinks his stare will melt them rather than do this classic move every coach has done in all sports.

The thing that I remembered was Burnett went a long time, twice, without dropping a pass and reporters (Vrabel even made a comment) were trying to predict when he'd drop one. We have a drops problem this year, yet again and we cut the guy that caught everything so that we could keep a gunner! Cameron Batson. Sims, Kruik, and Jennings have been awesome at gunner and Adoree hasn't even had to fill in there. He did not need to keep a fourth gunner and what coach has ever done that? Kruik doesn't even really play D, two injuries later and he's playing a bit but he was "just a gunner" as he learned the S spot. Why keep two extra gunners? 

Three backs is the lowest ever....ever. 

Dawkins was added back to the PS and Vrabel mentioned his return work. Wadley was a better returner and Vrabel said he hoped Wadley didn't have to return the ball since Taywan, Jennings, and Adoree had it covered. I don't even think Taywan has returned one! Dawkins was activated and didn't play offense and didn't return a punt or kick. 

Throw in Stinnie and Dickerson never playing a snap but being on the active roster all season and he is totally messing up the end of the roster. This is a key for team management but as I mentioned above, it's also a good motivator and coaching tactic to have the end be fluid.
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IIRC if a player is on another players PS the only way to steal them is a contract on the 53 man roster

 
I know I said I could wait on beating the Ratbirds until the playoffs. After the Bills debacle I take that back. They need to be beaten, Now and in the playoff should the Titans meet them then agains

 
Well LaFleur was clearly "low" and put the blame on him for....just about everything you can think of. 

Gotta check out twitter and videos. 

Hopefully we have a revamped offense this week 

 
After the game, during a try to cheer em up conversation, Mariota was raving about Tua and mentioned that he is ambidextrous. 

I've been stewing on that. Have we ever had that in the NFL? Does it matter?

 
Morgan and Spain are assumed to miss time but we'll have to wait and see

Levin whiffed on one block  but it was also wise of the Ravens. They used a delayed blitz of a S right after he came in for Spain. He fell for it and...I kind of figure anyone would after sitting six weeks. 

Remember with Kelly having years of NFL experience at G, it's a bit surprising they went with Levin and they're well covered. 

This should make the reporters realize Vrabel has had Stinnie on the roster for six weeks and never active nor even likely to play

 
There was a lot wrong. The most easily fixable are getting Bates off the field, signing a blocking TE, and drilling Lewis on pass blocking.

No exaggeration, this could be Cunningham's 13th time with the team if he is re-signed as some expect.

The easiest is to put Jonnu at the blocking position (since that's where he played last year and often this summer) and have Firkser play the receiving spot. He's fine if unimpressive and Jonnu did well as the blocking guy last year.

Another option would be to run the 3 and 4 WR sets LaFleur came in claiming they'd use

 
Conklin will be blamed for 3 sacks which is more than he has allowed his entire career. 2.5 in 35 starts. Mariota should get two of these since Conklin had his guy but MM8 ran out of the pocket making it easy.

Spain will be blamed for one pushing his total to 5.5 sacks allowed in 42 starts

Lewan 0. His total the last 3 years is six sacks allowed.

Gms would give their left arm to have a player with stats like these and the Titans have three AND difficulty running an offense

 
Bri said:
Conklin will be blamed for 3 sacks which is more than he has allowed his entire career. 2.5 in 35 starts. Mariota should get two of these since Conklin had his guy but MM8 ran out of the pocket making it easy.

Spain will be blamed for one pushing his total to 5.5 sacks allowed in 42 starts

Lewan 0. His total the last 3 years is six sacks allowed.

Gms would give their left arm to have a player with stats like these and the Titans have three AND difficulty running an offense
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Not to mention, the above, Derrick Henry and difficulty running the ball

 
Bri said:
After the game, during a try to cheer em up conversation, Mariota was raving about Tua and mentioned that he is ambidextrous. 

I've been stewing on that. Have we ever had that in the NFL? Does it matter?
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I'd think it might a little, assuming he has good ball control with both hands. You can easily envision situations where being able to hold and throw the ball accurately with the left hand, when moving left, avoiding pressure, could be a benefit. 

Would he really have a blind side if he can equally throw with either hand? 

My concern would simply be that he'd be working to perfect his ambidextrousness, at the cost of learning the position expertly. Maybe not as much of a concern as I'd think but the position is hard enough without adding to it.

I'm just going to pretend yesterday's game didn't happen, the coaching staff should be embarrassed.

I do wonder if JRob will make an offer for Cooper. If not overly expensive I think he'd make a good 2.

 
LaFleur's seat has got to be getting hot at this point. Take out the eagles game and they are far and away the worst offense in the league.

If there's no improvement next week, I don't see how he makes it out of the bye week with his job.

 
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Not unhappy with the decision to go for two at the end. Not happy with how the offense is executing or how the secondary is being exposed

 
What’s going on with Corey Davis. He’ll play a game where he looks like a man amongst boys and then two where he looks lazy and uninterested.

 
Roger Lewis should be ...something... after the bye. Supposedly he did very well with the scout team 

 
Well, at least the Titans did not have one half of the DBs arrested in the oldest night club scam in the world and then exposed in the game, so there is that.

 
@OZ* @msommer

Same post as Henry thread, just feel it merits attention

I have been able to confirm that Mike Mularkey has been advising the Titans rushing offense for 3 weeks or two games. Expect some articles soon.

I don't know how you differentiate rushing or passing or ...that's literally all I've got. I guess you'll have to wait for articles for more

 
Bri said:
@OZ* @msommer

Same post as Henry thread, just feel it merits attention

I have been able to confirm that Mike Mularkey has been advising the Titans rushing offense for 3 weeks or two games. Expect some articles soon.

I don't know how you differentiate rushing or passing or ...that's literally all I've got. I guess you'll have to wait for articles for more
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I would say that just about the only positive thing Mularkey had was the rushing game. BUT he never wanted to lean on Henry and he never wanted a FB in there.

LaFleur's O has hardly smelled like roses - and the running game has been dismal. 

It is to be hoped that they do not return to the three TE offense, but get the best out of Mularkey's head for running and combine it with something smart passing. 

Maybe the line can then relearn to block...

Probably the most positive thing about this is that Vrabel is doing something, rather than to insist he has all the answers.

 
Yeah but I wonder if that...well how is that viewed? Is Vrabel young enough that it's OK to ask advice of someone? Or is he supposed to be all knowing as the HC and asking the former coach is a big negative? 

My guess is this is a bad thing BUT the players liked him. Maybe it's good. Maybe the Titans will actually put out a press release saying they hired him and ...IDK 

I remember the Giants had an old old OC that moved to an advisor role. IIRC the Cards have had Marchibroda and Tom Moore as an advisor

 
Bri said:
Yeah but I wonder if that...well how is that viewed? Is Vrabel young enough that it's OK to ask advice of someone? Or is he supposed to be all knowing as the HC and asking the former coach is a big negative? 

My guess is this is a bad thing BUT the players liked him. Maybe it's good. Maybe the Titans will actually put out a press release saying they hired him and ...IDK 

I remember the Giants had an old old OC that moved to an advisor role. IIRC the Cards have had Marchibroda and Tom Moore as an advisor
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You mean viewed by the players? You would know more about that than me.

Could be Matt LeFleur's the guy it's "bad" for - but he's super young/inexperienced, didin't he only take over as OC of the Rams for the first time last year?

Personally doubt it could be anyone other than Jon Robinson that is guiding this, who else would have the relationship with Mularkey to pull it off?

 
Bri said:
@OZ* @msommer

Same post as Henry thread, just feel it merits attention

I have been able to confirm that Mike Mularkey has been advising the Titans rushing offense for 3 weeks or two games. Expect some articles soon.

I don't know how you differentiate rushing or passing or ...that's literally all I've got. I guess you'll have to wait for articles for more
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You tagged the wrong Oz. But that's okay...

Bri said:
Yeah but I wonder if that...well how is that viewed? Is Vrabel young enough that it's OK to ask advice of someone? Or is he supposed to be all knowing as the HC and asking the former coach is a big negative? 

My guess is this is a bad thing BUT the players liked him. Maybe it's good. Maybe the Titans will actually put out a press release saying they hired him and ...IDK 

I remember the Giants had an old old OC that moved to an advisor role. IIRC the Cards have had Marchibroda and Tom Moore as an advisor
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I don't mind it, to me it's a sign of strength to seek advice. But then, my job is an advisor. 

Henry has to get going after the bye if the Titans want to do anything this year. He's probably the biggest disappointment this year imo. 

 
msommer said:
You mean viewed by the players? You would know more about that than me.

Could be Matt LeFleur's the guy it's "bad" for - but he's super young/inexperienced, didin't he only take over as OC of the Rams for the first time last year?

Personally doubt it could be anyone other than Jon Robinson that is guiding this, who else would have the relationship with Mularkey to pull it off?
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LaFleur has never truly been an OC. McVay called and designed plays with the Rams. 

That's a good point re JRob. Maybe an owner could too. I didn't think of it like that. I don't know how Mularkey views Vrabel since he took his job

 
The Tennessean reporters are discussing this live on youtube. 

Maybe it's a Sunday story. Maybe it's after the game?

Mularkey's "in the private sector" and has no obligation to the press. Maybe some reporter developed a good relationship and can open this can of worms.

JRob hasn't been available.

Vrabel said he's told the reporters many times that he can't discuss what happens behind closed doors.

Hitting walls but reporters are aware and they'll get this story

 
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