Titans ready to make some trades? (1 Viewer)

[msommer]

This is GOOD News!

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

Update: Titans just agreed to terms with DT Robaire Smith. They drafted him in 2000 and he was a stalwart DT here, moving to the Texans 2 years ago when the Titans began their cap purge. Titans couldn't match the huge contract the Texans gave him. Now, they cut him for the same salary cap reasons.Should help the Titans' D considerably. The last year he was here was the last year their run D was seriously stout.In other news: It appears that the Titans FO is content to hold on to Volek until a starting QB goes down (or completely tanks) somewhere, then unload him at a more premium price.

Wait...what? We got Robaire Smith?

Yessiree, bob. The bear is back. It is official, about 2 hours ago.

Weapons please don't take this as an insult, I'm fairly new to this place. What is your connection to the Titans FO??

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Update: Titans just agreed to terms with DT Robaire Smith. They drafted him in 2000 and he was a stalwart DT here, moving to the Texans 2 years ago when the Titans began their cap purge. Titans couldn't match the huge contract the Texans gave him. Now, they cut him for the same salary cap reasons.

Should help the Titans' D considerably. The last year he was here was the last year their run D was seriously stout.

In other news: It appears that the Titans FO is content to hold on to Volek until a starting QB goes down (or completely tanks) somewhere, then unload him at a more premium price.

Wait...what? We got Robaire Smith?

Yessiree, bob. The bear is back. It is official, about 2 hours ago.

Weapons please don't take this as an insult, I'm fairly new to this place. What is your connection to the Titans FO??

Nothing official, but a good friend is on the payroll. Don't want to give his specific title or department but he does share with me some stuff he hears/knows.Some of the stuff I post is what I hear from him, other stuff is purely my speculation.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Update: 9/13

No, I can't give you a link. This is info from inside.

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Interesting...

Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Interesting...Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

Current contract runs through 08, but is cap friendly to hold or cut after this season.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I can live with that. Bring Mauck back up as the 3 or sign someone from the street to handle it?

 

[Nemesis]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

 

[Englishteacher]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I can live with that. Bring Mauck back up as the 3 or sign someone from the street to handle it?

Mauck, I'd assume. Learning curve and all.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

Hah. He's from Southern California, too, as I recall. Played at Fresno St.

 

[wannabee]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

plus, the thing to keep in mind is that San Diego has week 3 bye. This means that if traded Monday, Volek has two weeks to learn the offense. In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.So, I would look for the deal to happen Sunday Night or Monday if a trade to the Chargers is spot on.

 

[JaxBill]

Interesting...Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

Wouldn't this boost VY's stock? I mean, does anybody expect Collins to last all year?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.

He should do that anyway..."Schotty, I heard I may be traded to you guys, so I FedEx-ed a copy of my playbook. Look for it tomorrow..."

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Interesting...Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

Wouldn't this boost VY's stock? I mean, does anybody expect Collins to last all year?

Yeah, I guess that is definitely true. I was referring to Volek, though.I'm a Young fan, but I don't see how he could come in to such a sorry team and produce with no experience, so I think if there was any value to any QB other than Collins it was Volek.

 

[Warpig]

I'm a Volek and Young owner. While this is good news for Young, I'm losing hope that Volek will ever be a starter in the NFL. I agree that anything is better than Tennessee since they hosed him but his only hope is that someone gets injured now. Then he'll only be a spot starter since he'll end up back on the bench when the actual starter becomes healthy again.

I wish the guy luck though. I'd like to see him get a shot somewhere. San Diego might be the best situation other than Cleveland with young, inexperienced QB's in front of him.

 

[msommer]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.

He should do that anyway..."Schotty, I heard I may be traded to you guys, so I FedEx-ed a copy of my playbook. Look for it tomorrow..."

Something like this would really inspire Schottenheimer to pay Volek a lot of money and to trust him with their own secrets!Good plan!

 

[redman]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

plus, the thing to keep in mind is that San Diego has week 3 bye. This means that if traded Monday, Volek has two weeks to learn the offense. In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.So, I would look for the deal to happen Sunday Night or Monday if a trade to the Chargers is spot on.

Ok, just so I can make sure I haven't missed something - is Phillip Rivers injured?

 

[amnesiac]

While this is good news for Young, I'm losing hope that Volek will ever be a starter in the NFL.

i dumped him once the Collins rumors started.there have been many people on this board who've made persuasive arguements against him ever being a starter.of course, like you said, if there is an injury, he will play. he's a good #2 QB.

 

[Englishteacher]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

plus, the thing to keep in mind is that San Diego has week 3 bye. This means that if traded Monday, Volek has two weeks to learn the offense. In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.So, I would look for the deal to happen Sunday Night or Monday if a trade to the Chargers is spot on.

Ok, just so I can make sure I haven't missed something - is Phillip Rivers injured?

No but Charlie Whitehurst is their #2 and SD can ill afford that with their playoff hopes.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Why not...Volek for D. Edwards?

SD doesn't want Edwards...TEN doesn't want Volek. Ta da!!! See it's easy!

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

plus, the thing to keep in mind is that San Diego has week 3 bye. This means that if traded Monday, Volek has two weeks to learn the offense. In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.So, I would look for the deal to happen Sunday Night or Monday if a trade to the Chargers is spot on.

Ok, just so I can make sure I haven't missed something - is Phillip Rivers injured?

Great Question. Anyone, is Rivers hurt?

 

[CrossEyed]

Volek is going to San Diego -- pending the agreement on terms -- after this weekend's game (Titans at SD). Word is that it is for pick(s), not for a player. Titans want the pick to be conditional depending on playing time and success, SD is balking at that.

KC and OAK are starting to make overtures and may get into the bidding. Regardless, barring Collins getting injured Sunday, Volek will be gone within 1 week, 2 weeks max.

So...........does Volek get on the plane returning to Tennessee after the game?

good question

plus, the thing to keep in mind is that San Diego has week 3 bye. This means that if traded Monday, Volek has two weeks to learn the offense. In addition, there is NO WAY, imo, that Tenn trades Volek before the game for fear of Volek giving the Chargers their trade (offense) secrets and plays, not to meantion the audible calls, etc.So, I would look for the deal to happen Sunday Night or Monday if a trade to the Chargers is spot on.

Ok, just so I can make sure I haven't missed something - is Phillip Rivers injured?

Great Question. Anyone, is Rivers hurt?

No, I think they'd just be more comfortable with a veteran QB on the roster. Their #2 right now is rookie Charlie Whitehurst.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

No, I think they'd just be more comfortable with a veteran QB on the roster. Their #2 right now is rookie Charlie Whitehurst.

Thanks, I was pretty sure that was the case but wanted to make sure.

 

[Gr00vus]

Why not...Volek for D. Edwards?SD doesn't want Edwards...TEN doesn't want Volek. Ta da!!! See it's easy!

With the whole Foley fiasco I don't think Donnie is going anywhere this year, they're going to need him. Sometimes it really is true that the best trades are the ones you don't make.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Alright, it is "confirmed" that Volek is indeed going to be traded after this weekend's game. It seems to be the Chargers and appears that the deal is already done, pending more attractive offers in the meantime.

KC has entered the picture and there is a small bidding war. I figured, earlier, that a 6th would be all the Titans would get. I'm now hearing 4th/5th. If the Titans got a 4th -- I would think they'd have to be very happy. My guess is that they get a 5th that is conditional.

A trade WILL happen here, barring Collins being injured Sunday.

[Folks around here are suggesting that the Titans should start Volek. Maybe SD would take it easy on their future teammate. ]

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks for the insights Weapons.

I'm now 100% convinced the Titans should suck it up and start Vince Young. Go ahead and make the move and let him start learning.

It'll be ugly and painful at times but it'll be exciting too. All Collins will be is ugly.

J

 

[amnesiac]

[Folks around here are suggesting that the Titans should start Volek. Maybe SD would take it easy on their future teammate. ]

how fd up would that be?

 

[aposulli]

I don't even remmber hearing of such a situation where a player was facing a team that he is to be traded to the day after the game.

I can't wait for the neverending cuts to Volek on the sidelines.

Does Volek take off his Titans jersey immediatly after the game is over to reveal a Chargers jersey?

If Collins and Young get hurt, does volek come in?

If Rivers and Whitehurst get hurt, does Volek come in?

The possibilities are endless.

 

[Q-Bert]

I don't even remmber hearing of such a situation where a player was facing a team that he is to be traded to the day after the game.I can't wait for the neverending cuts to Volek on the sidelines. Does Volek take off his Titans jersey immediatly after the game is over to reveal a Chargers jersey?If Collins and Young get hurt, does volek come in?If Rivers and Whitehurst get hurt, does Volek come in? The possibilities are endless.

Not quite the same but I think that Herschal Walker played against the Green Bay Packers on consecutive weeks during the 89 season. Week 5 as a member of the Cowboys and week 6 as a member of the Vikings. I can't remember if he actually played during the week 5 game or not. I distinctly remember him having a big run in week 6 where his shoe fell off during the play and he still ran for about 15-20 more yards.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Interesting...Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

Wouldn't this boost VY's stock? I mean, does anybody expect Collins to last all year?

If you mean injured, no. Collins got thrashed in Oakland and always bounced back up. While he has a good arm on a bad head, I will say that he is one of the tougher QBs in the league. Dude can take a beating. The only question is whether the Titans want to insure that Young doesn't see more than spot-duty or garbage time.

 

[tick dog]

surprised no one's mentioned KC as a possible volek destination. maybe green's better than we all think (i.e. they feel they ride out the storm with huard for a couple weeks and then green's right back). seems they could also use a more reliable backup RB to LJ than michael bennett, too, and henry/brown would fit that mold...not like those guys are pictures of consistency, but both are iron men compared to bennett.

 

[tick dog]

surprised no one's mentioned KC as a possible volek destination. maybe green's better than we all think (i.e. they feel they ride out the storm with huard for a couple weeks and then green's right back). seems they could also use a more reliable backup RB to LJ than michael bennett, too, and henry/brown would fit that mold...not like those guys are pictures of consistency, but both are iron men compared to bennett.

well well...to answer my own question, here's rotoworld:San Diego is offering a sixth-round pick in exchange for Volek. The Chiefs currently appear only to be a minor player in the Volek sweepstakes, even though they clearly have the bigger need.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Looks like White will be feature quicker then what looked to be at first.. I figure after a few games of Henry struggling the talk will pick up.. Looks like White is a must tie to Henry owners..

 

[mtffl2]

i really hope we don't get rid of volek for a 6th rounder.....

it seems like we could get more than a 6th!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why not...Volek for D. Edwards?SD doesn't want Edwards...TEN doesn't want Volek. Ta da!!! See it's easy!

No way. The Chargers already turned down a third-rounder for Edwards, demanding a second instead.They can get Volek for -- well, today I'm hearing a sixth, yesterday I was hearing a fourth -- but in any case much less than what Edwards is worth.Edwards for Volek straight up isn't going to happen.

 

[JohnnyU]

i really hope we don't get rid of volek for a 6th rounder.....it seems like we could get more than a 6th!

Seattle couldn't trade Alexander for a 2nd, nor could Indy trade James for a 2nd, so why would Billy "I'm not that good" Volek be worth more than a 6th? Maybe I'll answer my own question, saying that QBs are in more demand, but get get real, Volek isn't that good.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

i really hope we don't get rid of volek for a 6th rounder.....it seems like we could get more than a 6th!

Seattle couldn't trade Alexander for a 2nd, nor could Indy trade James for a 2nd, so why would Billy "I'm not that good" Volek be worth more than a 6th? Maybe I'll answer my own question, saying that QBs are in more demand, but get get real, Volek isn't that good.

Alexander and James couldn't be traded due to their enormous contract demands. It wasn't because teams perceived them as lacking ability. Their demands for a large signing bonus pushed down their value to other teams.Billy Volek can't possibly have large contract demands.

 

[Spike]

I don't even remmber hearing of such a situation where a player was facing a team that he is to be traded to the day after the game.I can't wait for the neverending cuts to Volek on the sidelines. Does Volek take off his Titans jersey immediatly after the game is over to reveal a Chargers jersey?If Collins and Young get hurt, does volek come in?If Rivers and Whitehurst get hurt, does Volek come in? The possibilities are endless.

If Volek comes in, does he just chuck it to the Chargers all day?

 

[Spike]

i really hope we don't get rid of volek for a 6th rounder.....it seems like we could get more than a 6th!

Seattle couldn't trade Alexander for a 2nd, nor could Indy trade James for a 2nd, so why would Billy "I'm not that good" Volek be worth more than a 6th? Maybe I'll answer my own question, saying that QBs are in more demand, but get get real, Volek isn't that good.

And Branch goes for a 1st.Wacky world, that NFL!

 

[TommyGilmore]

i really hope we don't get rid of volek for a 6th rounder.....it seems like we could get more than a 6th!

Seattle couldn't trade Alexander for a 2nd, nor could Indy trade James for a 2nd, so why would Billy "I'm not that good" Volek be worth more than a 6th? Maybe I'll answer my own question, saying that QBs are in more demand, but get get real, Volek isn't that good.

And Branch goes for a 1st.Wacky world, that NFL!

Branch went for a 1st because:A, Patriot players have a certain aura that makes them to appear more valuable than other playersandB, Seattle is in "win now" mode, and they believe Branch is the last missing piece of the puzzle

 

[Bull Dozier]

Thanks for the insights Weapons. I'm now 100% convinced the Titans should suck it up and start Vince Young. Go ahead and make the move and let him start learning.It'll be ugly and painful at times but it'll be exciting too. All Collins will be is ugly.J

I'd like to see a study done of 1st round QBs who have started during their first season, and those who did not start during their rookie season. I have to think that those who waiting at least a full season fared much better. Of course there are the Manning's and Roethlisbergers who did OK, but I gotta think the Ryan Leaf's, Tim Couch's (guys forced to start right away and never made it) and Daunte Culpepper's (guys who didn't start right away and succeeded) outnumber the former group.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Thanks for the insights Weapons. I'm now 100% convinced the Titans should suck it up and start Vince Young. Go ahead and make the move and let him start learning.It'll be ugly and painful at times but it'll be exciting too. All Collins will be is ugly.J

I'd like to see a study done of 1st round QBs who have started during their first season, and those who did not start during their rookie season. I have to think that those who waiting at least a full season fared much better. Of course there are the Manning's and Roethlisbergers who did OK, but I gotta think the Ryan Leaf's, Tim Couch's (guys forced to start right away and never made it) and Daunte Culpepper's (guys who didn't start right away and succeeded) outnumber the former group.

OK, I did a quick study, and I stand corrected. I went back to 1980 and looked at every QB drafted in the 1st 2 rounds (as these would generally be the only ones with any legit shot to start in their rookie season). I looked at how many started significantly in their rookie season (~100+ attempts their first year), and those who didn't. I then tried to determine of these QBs how many had "successful" careers. To eliminate the arbitrary judgement calls, I defined a successful career as at least one pro-bowl selection, or at least one play off season. Of course this made some poor determinations, but the errors balances themself out.There were 73 QB selected in the 1st and 2nd round from 1980 through 2005 (I did not count supplimental draft selections, as I could determine their round from Drafthistory.com). Of these 73, 35 had "successful" careers, for a 48% successful rate. 38 of these QBs saw significant action their first year, and 21 of them eventually were successful (55%), meaning, only 40% who waited until their second season or later were successful.Even looking at 1990 to 2005 yields similar results. 48 QBs have been selected in that time in the first two rounds, 19 of whom have been successful (of course many can still reach that point), but even with that, the results are clear. 27 of these 48 saw significant time their first season, 11 of which went on to be successful (41%). Only 38% of the non-1st year starters did the same. When you factor in the likelyhood that Eli Manning and Alex Smith do not currently fit the "successful side, that percentage could go even higher (granted, Aaron Rogers, Jason Campbell, Philip Rivers, and JP Losman could tilt the scale the other way as well).Bottom line, I do not think history has shown that starting your rookie year is detrimental to a young QBs development, at least at a macro level. I think certain individuals do gain from sitting, but it is not a die hard rule.

 

[Traders2001]

I think Cleveland is the most likely option for Volek. Frye is Young and unproven. CLE's #2 is Dorsey and it goes downhill from there...

if Frye gets hurt, i may stop watching the games.(well, at least the parts where they are on offense.)that said, i'm not so sure Romeo and Phil see it that way. i think they would rather sign Testaverde as a free agent than give something up to get Volek.

Frye is a bad QB anyways , he might get the start this season but then forget about him.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Cleveland is the most likely option for Volek. Frye is Young and unproven. CLE's #2 is Dorsey and it goes downhill from there...

if Frye gets hurt, i may stop watching the games.(well, at least the parts where they are on offense.)that said, i'm not so sure Romeo and Phil see it that way. i think they would rather sign Testaverde as a free agent than give something up to get Volek.

Frye is a bad QB anyways , he might get the start this season but then forget about him.

I don't think so. Frye looked decent his rookie year, and if Cleveland could ever get it together, namely an offensive line, Frye could do very well. He's better than a lot of NFL qbs already.

 

[Marc Levin]

Interesting...Doesn't mean much in FF-terms, though. I'd like to see Volek go somewhere where he could play, at least next year.

If he went to the Chiefs, he could be a very worthwhile investment.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Thanks for the insights Weapons. I'm now 100% convinced the Titans should suck it up and start Vince Young. Go ahead and make the move and let him start learning.It'll be ugly and painful at times but it'll be exciting too. All Collins will be is ugly.J

I'd like to see a study done of 1st round QBs who have started during their first season, and those who did not start during their rookie season. I have to think that those who waiting at least a full season fared much better. Of course there are the Manning's and Roethlisbergers who did OK, but I gotta think the Ryan Leaf's, Tim Couch's (guys forced to start right away and never made it) and Daunte Culpepper's (guys who didn't start right away and succeeded) outnumber the former group.

OK, I did a quick study, and I stand corrected. I went back to 1980 and looked at every QB drafted in the 1st 2 rounds (as these would generally be the only ones with any legit shot to start in their rookie season). I looked at how many started significantly in their rookie season (~100+ attempts their first year), and those who didn't. I then tried to determine of these QBs how many had "successful" careers. To eliminate the arbitrary judgement calls, I defined a successful career as at least one pro-bowl selection, or at least one play off season. Of course this made some poor determinations, but the errors balances themself out.There were 73 QB selected in the 1st and 2nd round from 1980 through 2005 (I did not count supplimental draft selections, as I could determine their round from Drafthistory.com). Of these 73, 35 had "successful" careers, for a 48% successful rate. 38 of these QBs saw significant action their first year, and 21 of them eventually were successful (55%), meaning, only 40% who waited until their second season or later were successful.Even looking at 1990 to 2005 yields similar results. 48 QBs have been selected in that time in the first two rounds, 19 of whom have been successful (of course many can still reach that point), but even with that, the results are clear. 27 of these 48 saw significant time their first season, 11 of which went on to be successful (41%). Only 38% of the non-1st year starters did the same. When you factor in the likelyhood that Eli Manning and Alex Smith do not currently fit the "successful side, that percentage could go even higher (granted, Aaron Rogers, Jason Campbell, Philip Rivers, and JP Losman could tilt the scale the other way as well).Bottom line, I do not think history has shown that starting your rookie year is detrimental to a young QBs development, at least at a macro level. I think certain individuals do gain from sitting, but it is not a die hard rule.

Good stuff.The only QBs I can think of since 2000 who were drafted high and then sat on the bench for at least a year (i.e., no starts as rookies) are Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers, and JP Losman. (Going back a bit further, McNair would go on the list as well.)

 

[rabidfireweasel]

surprised no one's mentioned KC as a possible volek destination. maybe green's better than we all think (i.e. they feel they ride out the storm with huard for a couple weeks and then green's right back). seems they could also use a more reliable backup RB to LJ than michael bennett, too, and henry/brown would fit that mold...not like those guys are pictures of consistency, but both are iron men compared to bennett.

reread post 126

 

[Colin Dowling]

Joe et al., I think that once the team is 3 games under .500, Young should start. I have been hoping that would be week 8 or 9, but it will prolly be week 4, so