Tom Brady MVP? (2 Viewers)

[weebs]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

 

[Anarchy99]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

I am not one of the ones suggesting Brady will get even a single vote for MVP (and I don't think he will end up much of a candidate). But if the Pats win out, Manning gets nicked, and the NE offense gets healthy and starts putting up 35 points a game then Brady would become a candidate. I don't see any of those things happening, but it's too soon to start saying Brady has no chance to be MVP this year with 10 games still to be played. He's highly unlikely to win, but he still has a pulse (where other players likely don't even have that).

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

 

[msudaisy26]

This thread is still bad. Even with a sub par performance today Manning is still running away with the MVP. I would put Charles a distance second even though running backs have a hard time winning it without going over 2k, and assuming the Colts win tomorrow I would would put Luck 3rd.

I agree that Manning will run away with this thing. But I have little doubt that Brady in Denver with those weapons and their experience would dominate as much (if not more) than Manning, while Manning playing for NE would be less effective than Brady. Particularly when the weather turns really nasty. Brady just throws a better ball in those conditions, as he does in most conditions.

I agree with you. I am not sure if I am reading these posts and understanding them incorrectly or not, but I feel like people think I hate Brady and I don't. I think Brady is one of the best ever and better than Manning. I think if he had Amendola healthy all year, I know that is a stretch and Gronk all year he would be right up there with Manning in the MVP talk, but he hasn't.

 

[cstu]

This thread is still bad. Even with a sub par performance today Manning is still running away with the MVP. I would put Charles a distance second even though running backs have a hard time winning it without going over 2k, and assuming the Colts win tomorrow I would would put Luck 3rd.

I agree that Manning will run away with this thing. But I have little doubt that Brady in Denver with those weapons and their experience would dominate as much (if not more) than Manning, while Manning playing for NE would be less effective than Brady. Particularly when the weather turns really nasty. Brady just throws a better ball in those conditions, as he does in most conditions.

I agree with you. I am not sure if I am reading these posts and understanding them incorrectly or not, but I feel like people think I hate Brady and I don't. I think Brady is one of the best ever and better than Manning. I think if he had Amendola healthy all year, I know that is a stretch and Gronk all year he would be right up there with Manning in the MVP talk, but he hasn't.

They are both masters of the game, that's shouldn't be in question. The big difference between the two is that Manning seems like he's better able to carry a team by himself while Brady is cold as ice in pressure situations (most of the time). We're lucky to be able to see these guys play.

 

[cstu]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

 

[Run It Up]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

What if Peyton breaks multiple records and they finish with a worse record than the Pats? What if the Pats end up the #1 seed? lol.

 

[Deamon]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

Even if that happens, peyton still wins in a landslide at this point. The "with this team" rarely factors into mvp voting even if maybe it should. Pats would have to finish with a BETTER record then the broncos, and bradys numbers would have to skyrocket to put him in the conversation.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

What if Peyton breaks multiple records and they finish with a worse record than the Pats? What if the Pats end up the #1 seed? lol.

That would be a cool scenario. 2 Auto-consideration MVP candidates. 1 guy has cool stats, 1 guy on the team with a better record. I'm sure much of it will come down to how that situation happened and I think people can still vote for MVP during the playoffs, so that will have an effect (which is dumb IMO).

 

[Anarchy99]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

What if Peyton breaks multiple records and they finish with a worse record than the Pats? What if the Pats end up the #1 seed? lol.

That would be a cool scenario. 2 Auto-consideration MVP candidates. 1 guy has cool stats, 1 guy on the team with a better record. I'm sure much of it will come down to how that situation happened and I think people can still vote for MVP during the playoffs, so that will have an effect (which is dumb IMO).

MVP balloting has to be completed before the playoffs start. IIRC, people can vote well before the season ends, but not after it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Wow you Brady fan boys need to loosen your lips of Brady's shaft a little. No way in hell is he wining mvp this year.

Long way to go before you can say that.

I agree. IF Brady gets the Patriots a bye at 14-2 with this team he has a shot at winning it even with subpar numbers. A co-MVP is a definite possibility if that happens.

What if Peyton breaks multiple records and they finish with a worse record than the Pats? What if the Pats end up the #1 seed? lol.

That would be a cool scenario. 2 Auto-consideration MVP candidates. 1 guy has cool stats, 1 guy on the team with a better record. I'm sure much of it will come down to how that situation happened and I think people can still vote for MVP during the playoffs, so that will have an effect (which is dumb IMO).

MVP balloting has to be completed before the playoffs start. IIRC, people can vote well before the season ends, but not after it.

I used to think that until I read something where a voter said otherwise. I can't find the link though.

 

[jurb26]

Personally, I'd like to vote the entire KC D as MVP. The hell with all these QBs winning the award most years. What that D is doing is the most impressive thing I've seen in a while.

 

[Devine Intervention]

The patriots defense is more reason for MVP than Brady. Brady had a shot for a game winning FG and BLEW IT. Luckily his defense was there to bail him out and give him another shot. Clutch isn't really needing 2 tries when you really should only need one. Clutch is not screwing up and counting on your defense to bail you out and give you another shot.

 

[zoonation]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

Not to mention he threw a terrible pick the drive before the final drive (went 4 and out the previous drive too). The D should get the lion's share of the credit for winning the game late. He got 3 shots at it in the last 2:30.

 

[flapgreen]

Such a f##

 

[Run It Up]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

Not to mention he threw a terrible pick the drive before the final drive (went 4 and out the previous drive too). The D should get the lion's share of the credit for winning the game late. He got 3 shots at it in the last 2:30.

The D should also get the blame for letting the team that had been behind all game march right down the field in like 5 plays to take the lead.

 

[zoonation]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

Not to mention he threw a terrible pick the drive before the final drive (went 4 and out the previous drive too). The D should get the lion's share of the credit for winning the game late. He got 3 shots at it in the last 2:30.

The D should also get the blame for letting the team that had been behind all game march right down the field in like 5 plays to take the lead.

Sure. Whatever. Just don't tell me it was vintage clutch Brady blah blah blah when the guy blew the first two tries to win the game. He made nice throws to win the game on the third attempt.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

Not to mention he threw a terrible pick the drive before the final drive (went 4 and out the previous drive too). The D should get the lion's share of the credit for winning the game late. He got 3 shots at it in the last 2:30.

The D should also get the blame for letting the team that had been behind all game march right down the field in like 5 plays to take the lead.

lol

 

[PatsWillWin]

I have no idea why I have to keep being the bad guy Patriots fan, but that was an extremely uneven game by Brady. Overall, it might help his MVP case (if he actually has one) because people will take away the last drive, but Brady wasn't good through much of this game IMO. Neither was Brees for that matter. Brady missed a wide open Amendola for a long TD, through a bad pass to Dobson on the 2 yard line when they realized he was uncovered (somehow threw the ball behind Dobson instead of leading him into the endzone), and even underthrew Edelman on a potential TD on that final drive. He even took a couple sacks after holding the ball for like 6-7 seconds, which is un-Brady like.

Obviously the poise on that last drive was vintage Brady, and awesome to see, but overall, that was not a great game.

Not to mention he threw a terrible pick the drive before the final drive (went 4 and out the previous drive too). The D should get the lion's share of the credit for winning the game late. He got 3 shots at it in the last 2:30.

The D should also get the blame for letting the team that had been behind all game march right down the field in like 5 plays to take the lead.

Sure. Whatever. Just don't tell me it was vintage clutch Brady blah blah blah when the guy blew the first two tries to win the game. He made nice throws to win the game on the third attempt.

He blew the second attempt. Dobson blew the first one IMO.

 

[Max Power]

UNICORNS, SHOW PONIES, WHERE'S THE BEEF...... Never doubt Brady

 

[Ghost Rider]

Funny stats:

Tom Brady, through six games, is on pace to throw 21 touchdown passes.

Peyton Manning, through six games, has already thrown 22 touchdown passes.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

GENO!

he cracked double digit INT's today! Surely Geno is more MVP-worthy than Brady!

Not sure any of them were as impressive as Brady's 4th QTR interception, jury is still out though.

I love Brady--but the Saints lost that game more than Brady won it. His defense saved him from his horrid int. His defense got him 2 3 and outs when the Saints could have ran the clock out. Brady may have solidified himself as number 2 in the mvp running--but Peyton distanced himself today.

You see Rob Ninkovich throw that ball right to Dennard in the back of the endzone for the game winning touchdown? Sick.

Would you be surprised?

 

[lbouchard]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

 

[drummer]

Bump for Nick Foles

 

[MoveToSkypager]

In 2010, Brady started off with a poor statistical performance but cruised at the end of the year. He won MVP, OPOY and was 1st team All Pro. No way can anyone discount him anytime soon.

 

[cheese]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

 

[moleculo]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

link to the stats with a little context. Draw your own comparison.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

link to the stats with a little context. Draw your own comparison.

Fact of the day from PFF: Vikings have the fewest drops therefore they have the best WRs in the league.

Or is it because they have the best QBs in the league? Or is it just a tiny sample size and not mean a damn thing?

 

[Run It Up]

"If you want to pick a literal MVP, I don't see how Tom Brady isn't at the top of the discussion. He engineered another game winning drive Sunday with off the street Austin Collie and undrafted rookie Kenbrell Thompkins. Crazy." - Joe Bryant, Random Shots Week 7

I love bumping this thread.

 

[kyoun1e]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

I

You'd have to add the stats for those drops and then forecast what receptions would come AFTER those catches due to stalled drives.

It's amazing how this drop situation is getting pooh poohed.

Good lord...the Dopson drop on a critical 4th down play is a perfect example. Drive killer. Almost a game killer...if not for Brady.

Watch the games. See for yourself.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If every one of New England's drops was instead a completion, Tom Brady would be completing 66.9% of his passes.

For context, here's the same stat for some other QBs-

Rodgers - 69.6%

Brees - 70.0%

Stafford - 72.8%

Romo - 73.9%

Ryan - 75.2%

Rivers - 77.5%

Peyton - 82.5%

 

[Adam Harstad]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

I

You'd have to add the stats for those drops and then forecast what receptions would come AFTER those catches due to stalled drives.

It's amazing how this drop situation is getting pooh poohed.

Good lord...the Dopson drop on a critical 4th down play is a perfect example. Drive killer. Almost a game killer...if not for Brady.

Watch the games. See for yourself.

It's not getting pooh poohed. Tom Brady has 24 drops on 239 attempts. Peyton Manning has 20 drops on 240 attempts. Is four drops the difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning? If you give Brady's receivers four more receptions, does that get him on the same level as Peyton Manning?

Matt Stafford, for what it's worth, has an identical 24 drops on 239 attempts.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

I

You'd have to add the stats for those drops and then forecast what receptions would come AFTER those catches due to stalled drives.

It's amazing how this drop situation is getting pooh poohed.

Good lord...the Dopson drop on a critical 4th down play is a perfect example. Drive killer. Almost a game killer...if not for Brady.

Watch the games. See for yourself.

You mean "if not for Brees". One first down for New Orleans, and it's game over. Few teams get one chance at a game-winning drive in the final four minutes. Brady got THREE. That's not a testament to Brady, that's a testament to the defense that kept getting him the ball back.

 

[moleculo]

"If you want to pick a literal MVP, I don't see how Tom Brady isn't at the top of the discussion. He engineered another game winning drive Sunday with off the street Austin Collie and undrafted rookie Kenbrell Thompkins. Crazy." - Joe Bryant, Random Shots Week 7

I love bumping this thread.

lol. shine on, you crazy diamond

 

[msudaisy26]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?I

You'd have to add the stats for those drops and then forecast what receptions would come AFTER those catches due to stalled drives.It's amazing how this drop situation is getting pooh poohed.

Good lord...the Dopson drop on a critical 4th down play is a perfect example. Drive killer. Almost a game killer...if not for Brady.

Watch the games. See for yourself.

It's not getting pooh poohed. Tom Brady has 24 drops on 239 attempts. Peyton Manning has 20 drops on 240 attempts. Is four drops the difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning? If you give Brady's receivers four more receptions, does that get him on the same level as Peyton Manning?

Matt Stafford, for what it's worth, has an identical 24 drops on 239 attempts.

I don't have the time to look and I am not defending either guy but I think it would depend on when the drops happen. A drop on 2nd and 7 is better then a drop on 3rd or 4th down

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If his receivers had dropped only half of their 22 drops this season, he would be at 61.5%. If they had none: 66.1%.

Brees is at 66.2%

 

[Devine Intervention]

I know a lot of these drops aren't Brady's fault, but for anyone who has watched the game youre selling something if you are saying that Tom Brady isn't looking below his normal. The guy is shook in the pocket, he isn't setting his feet, he is putting the balls into the ground. Heck, that throw on his 2nd " game winning drive, he threw a TERRIBLE throw to Edelman, and by no way possible can you blame that on a communication problem. He threw the ball into double coverage and Edelman was ahead of atleast one of the DBs but Brady threw it short. And the "game winning" drive against the Bengals Brady threw a TERRIBLE pass deep that was an easy pic for Pacman. So say what you want, hes not the worst QB in the league, but he is playing very subpar for his standards, or any elite QB standards, or even a Probowl QB standards. His defense and run game have been keeping him in the game and giving him a shot after shot after shot, for game winning drives. Which makes me think that they actually have a shot, cause the years they leaned on Brady = 0 rings, but when its balanced and he gets support from the def and a good run game = 3 rings. So who knows.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If every one of New England's drops was instead a completion, Tom Brady would be completing 66.9% of his passes.

For context, here's the same stat for some other QBs-

Rodgers - 69.6%

Brees - 70.0%

Stafford - 72.8%

Romo - 73.9%

Ryan - 75.2%

Rivers - 77.5%

Peyton - 82.5%

The reason the drops were pointed out was due to his caliber of receivers, you show his completion rate by removing the drops to put him on par with other QB's in the league that do have more capable receivers. It is silly to then compare this number to the completion rate with drops removed of Manning (and others) when he has the luxury of throwing to elite receivers.

 

[PatsWillWin]

"If you want to pick a literal MVP, I don't see how Tom Brady isn't at the top of the discussion. He engineered another game winning drive Sunday with off the street Austin Collie and undrafted rookie Kenbrell Thompkins. Crazy." - Joe Bryant, Random Shots Week 7

I love bumping this thread.

lol. shine on, you crazy diamond

Oh. My. God.

There are people that read the Random Shots e-mail?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If every one of New England's drops was instead a completion, Tom Brady would be completing 66.9% of his passes.

For context, here's the same stat for some other QBs-

Rodgers - 69.6%

Brees - 70.0%

Stafford - 72.8%

Romo - 73.9%

Ryan - 75.2%

Rivers - 77.5%

Peyton - 82.5%

The reason the drops were pointed out was due to his caliber of receivers, you show his completion rate by removing the drops to put him on par with other QB's in the league that do have more capable receivers. It is silly to then compare this number to the completion rate with drops removed of Manning (and others) when he has the luxury of throwing to elite receivers.

Got it. So the only fair way to compare Tom Brady to other quarterbacks is to treat Tom Brady completely differently from all other quarterbacks.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If every one of New England's drops was instead a completion, Tom Brady would be completing 66.9% of his passes.

For context, here's the same stat for some other QBs-

Rodgers - 69.6%

Brees - 70.0%

Stafford - 72.8%

Romo - 73.9%

Ryan - 75.2%

Rivers - 77.5%

Peyton - 82.5%

The reason the drops were pointed out was due to his caliber of receivers, you show his completion rate by removing the drops to put him on par with other QB's in the league that do have more capable receivers. It is silly to then compare this number to the completion rate with drops removed of Manning (and others) when he has the luxury of throwing to elite receivers.

Got it. So the only fair way to compare Tom Brady to other quarterbacks is to treat Tom Brady completely differently from all other quarterbacks.

Not the only fair way, feel free to orchestrate a 6 week QB trade between New England and Denver. Someone points out NE receivers are mostly rookies.

Someone else points out NE receivers have the highest drop rate in the league.

A reasonable person compares Brady's completion pct against other QB's had those drops made not happened.

Then you come in to enlighten us with your brilliance of how much better Manning's completion pct would be if DThomas (WR1), Decker (WR14), Welker (WR5), et al, had not dropped their passes to show how superior Manning is when you inflate his stats even more when he is already throwing to the cream of the crop in the NFL.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, where would we be without you?

 

[Run It Up]

"If you want to pick a literal MVP, I don't see how Tom Brady isn't at the top of the discussion. He engineered another game winning drive Sunday with off the street Austin Collie and undrafted rookie Kenbrell Thompkins. Crazy." - Joe Bryant, Random Shots Week 7

I love bumping this thread.

lol. shine on, you crazy diamond

Oh. My. God.

There are people that read the Random Shots e-mail?

Its the best thing Joe's ever written, of course I read it.

 

[moleculo]

Fact of the day from PFF: Brady's receivers have dropped 10 percent of his attempts, highest in the league by a decent amount.

I don't deny that this is part of the problem. I just think it's 10% of the problem and not 90%. Even if we gave him a catch on every last one of those drops, what would his stats be? Is PFF independently grading his accuracy also?

If every one of New England's drops was instead a completion, Tom Brady would be completing 66.9% of his passes.

For context, here's the same stat for some other QBs-

Rodgers - 69.6%

Brees - 70.0%

Stafford - 72.8%

Romo - 73.9%

Ryan - 75.2%

Rivers - 77.5%

Peyton - 82.5%

The reason the drops were pointed out was due to his caliber of receivers, you show his completion rate by removing the drops to put him on par with other QB's in the league that do have more capable receivers. It is silly to then compare this number to the completion rate with drops removed of Manning (and others) when he has the luxury of throwing to elite receivers.

Got it. So the only fair way to compare Tom Brady to other quarterbacks is to treat Tom Brady completely differently from all other quarterbacks.

Not the only fair way, feel free to orchestrate a 6 week QB trade between New England and Denver. Someone points out NE receivers are mostly rookies.

Someone else points out NE receivers have the highest drop rate in the league.

A reasonable person compares Brady's completion pct against other QB's had those drops made not happened.

Then you come in to enlighten us with your brilliance of how much better Manning's completion pct would be if DThomas (WR1), Decker (WR14), Welker (WR5), et al, had not dropped their passes to show how superior Manning is when you inflate his stats even more when he is already throwing to the cream of the crop in the NFL.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, where would we be without you?

obviously. Drops only count against Brady because he has omgrookies to throw to. Drops don't count for Manning, because he has omgelite receivers, and when they drop the ball, well, it doesn't matter because they are elite.

obviously.

 

[DoubleG]

Why the hell is this thread still going?

BTW, Random Shots is almost completely tongue-in-cheek. Joe probably tossed that in because of this idiotic thread...and thought

 

[PatsWillWin]

A reasonable person compares Brady's completion pct against other QB's had those drops made not happened.

Except that comparing Brady's completion % without any drops vs. everyone else's completion % with drops actually isn't reasonable at all.

 

[Run It Up]

Why the hell is this thread still going?

Because I keep bumping it.

BTW, Random Shots is almost completely tongue-in-cheek. Joe probably tossed that in because of this idiotic thread...and thought

Absurd, Joe is a sports journalist of the highest caliber.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

A reasonable person compares Brady's completion pct against other QB's had those drops made not happened.

Except that comparing Brady's completion % without any drops vs. everyone else's completion % with drops actually isn't reasonable at all.

But comparing his low performance stats, high game-win-rate, against other QB's in the league like Manning who gets to throw to THREE top-15 receivers is PERFECTLY reasonable.

Fewer dropped passes translates into an increase of all other stats, more attempts, more completions, more yards, more TD's,... it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see why it was done, but please continue to be a stick in the mud

 

[weebs]

A reasonable person compares Brady's completion pct against other QB's had those drops made not happened.

Except that comparing Brady's completion % without any drops vs. everyone else's completion % with drops actually isn't reasonable at all.

But comparing his low performance stats, high game-win-rate, against other QB's in the league like Manning who gets to throw to THREE top-15 receivers is PERFECTLY reasonable. Fewer dropped passes translates into an increase of all other stats, more attempts, more completions, more yards, more TD's,... it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see why it was done, but please continue to be a stick in the mud

Yah! Brady shouldn't have to play against defense either! Also, let's take out any missed throws while under pressure from Brady's stats. While we are at it let's also completely take out any qb stats for Brady if there was any bad weather conditions guys!

Kill your self

 

[moleculo]

Jojo - please correct me if I am mis-understanding your point:

Tom Brady deserves consideration for MVP despite mediocre stats because he is winning games with sub-par receivers. Brady's contribution to the Patriots is greater than Mannings contribution to the Broncos because the Patriots WR's are so much worse than the Broncos WR's.

Is this an accurate portrayal of your position?