Tracking the 2013-2014 Peyton Manning collapse (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Wow. He stinks in big games. Nice going, Elway.

2 INT"s in 1Q in a big division game, oof.

He was pretty bad at NE as well, this is not a good trend we're starting here, Mr. Manning.

19 for 36, 150 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT is Tannehill-esque production, even on the road in a big spot.

you guys want to re-consider your position here?

THis is probably where someone plays the "A game against Alex Smith is not a big game" card.

 

[Hoss Style]

Wow. He stinks in big games. Nice going, Elway.

2 INT"s in 1Q in a big division game, oof.

He was pretty bad at NE as well, this is not a good trend we're starting here, Mr. Manning.

19 for 36, 150 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT is Tannehill-esque production, even on the road in a big spot.

you guys want to re-consider your position here?

THis is probably where someone plays the "A game against Alex Smith is not a big game" card.

It's all gonna come down to the Playoffs and getting to the SB this year. I'm trying to stay out of the discussion until we get there (or don't).

 

[Adam Harstad]

I don't think the Broncos will win the SB this year, as the defense is just too bad (26th in total defense, by far the worst of the teams that would currently be in the playoffs, nine of which are in the top 10 in defense).

I'm sure when they don't, it will be blamed on Peyton no matter how he plays in the game that knocks them out.

According to the Football Outsiders folks, Denver has had a top-10 defense since Von Miller returned, although they certainly didn't look the part this week against KC.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Peyton Manning is 3-7 in career games where the game-time temperature was 32 degrees or colder.

That record includes both regular season and playoff games. In those contests, he's thrown 11 touchdowns against 12 interceptions with a 59.4 completion percentage and 214.1 yards per game. Obviously, those numbers are drastically below his normal output. The forecast for Sunday's home game against the Titans calls for 16 degree temperatures and a 30 percent chance of snow.


Source: ESPN.com

 

[moleculo]

Rotoworld:

Peyton Manning is 3-7 in career games where the game-time temperature was 32 degrees or colder.

That record includes both regular season and playoff games. In those contests, he's thrown 11 touchdowns against 12 interceptions with a 59.4 completion percentage and 214.1 yards per game. Obviously, those numbers are drastically below his normal output. The forecast for Sunday's home game against the Titans calls for 16 degree temperatures and a 30 percent chance of snow.


Source: ESPN.com

I hate statements like this. correlation <> causation.

Consider that each and every game Manning played in sub-freezing temp prior to 2012 was on the road, and likely in the playoffs (road game in playoffs means you are up against a better team)... conditions where one might expect below average performance.

Peyton Manning has had exactly 1 home game where the kick-off temperature was 32 or less: last years playoff game, where Manning had a 65% completion, 290 yards, 3 TD's and 2 ints. I suppose you could consider a 35 degree game last year on 12/30 - 79.3% completion rate, 304 yards, 3 TD, 0 ints. These two games are the only examples of Manning playing at home in the cold.

Now, i'm not saying that cold doesn't affect him - I believe it does, however it's more of an issue of the cold weather affects his nerve more than warm weather does. This is a pretty well discussed side effect of the nerve issue.

it's more of a pet peeve of mine. It's bad statistics to use Mannings struggles against better teams in the playoffs as some sort of proof that he isn't good in the cold, even if the eventual conclusion may be correct.

 

[Faust]

Manning on if he's worse in cold weather: 'That's not how I feel'

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Rotoworld:

Peyton Manning is 3-7 in career games where the game-time temperature was 32 degrees or colder.

That record includes both regular season and playoff games. In those contests, he's thrown 11 touchdowns against 12 interceptions with a 59.4 completion percentage and 214.1 yards per game. Obviously, those numbers are drastically below his normal output. The forecast for Sunday's home game against the Titans calls for 16 degree temperatures and a 30 percent chance of snow.


Source: ESPN.com

I hate statements like this. correlation <> causation.

Consider that each and every game Manning played in sub-freezing temp prior to 2012 was on the road, and likely in the playoffs (road game in playoffs means you are up against a better team)... conditions where one might expect below average performance.

Peyton Manning has had exactly 1 home game where the kick-off temperature was 32 or less: last years playoff game, where Manning had a 65% completion, 290 yards, 3 TD's and 2 ints. I suppose you could consider a 35 degree game last year on 12/30 - 79.3% completion rate, 304 yards, 3 TD, 0 ints. These two games are the only examples of Manning playing at home in the cold.

Now, i'm not saying that cold doesn't affect him - I believe it does, however it's more of an issue of the cold weather affects his nerve more than warm weather does. This is a pretty well discussed side effect of the nerve issue.

it's more of a pet peeve of mine. It's bad statistics to use Mannings struggles against better teams in the playoffs as some sort of proof that he isn't good in the cold, even if the eventual conclusion may be correct.

good points

how many of these cold weather games were in NE? had to be a couple at least.

time for Peyton to put this nonsense to bed and smash the titans on sunday

 

[Faust]

Peyton Manning hushes cold-weather critics in big win

 

[McGarnicle]

Okay. He stinks in cold weather against any team not named the Titans.

A division rival came in with a solid game plan and executed it pretty much flawlessly. They were solid up front on both sides of the ball -- run blocking was exceptional and they were able to pressure Peyton consistently. He had little time to throw, which is why there were so many dump-offs to the RBs. There was no time for the outside guys to get open. Give credit where it's due. Though in fairness Denver's defense sucked, especially against the run, and couldn't get off the field.The penalty on that punt was huge. Chargers were able to hold the ball for almost the entire third quarter as a result. Potentially cost Peyton a 300 yard game and another TD, and possibly the win as well.

And it wasn't even that cold last night.

 

[McGarnicle]

Okay. He stinks in cold weather against any team not named the Titans.

A division rival came in with a solid game plan and executed it pretty much flawlessly. They were solid up front on both sides of the ball -- run blocking was exceptional and they were able to pressure Peyton consistently. He had little time to throw, which is why there were so many dump-offs to the RBs. There was no time for the outside guys to get open. Give credit where it's due. Though in fairness Denver's defense sucked, especially against the run, and couldn't get off the field.The penalty on that punt was huge. Chargers were able to hold the ball for almost the entire third quarter as a result. Potentially cost Peyton a 300 yard game and another TD, and possibly the win as well.

And it wasn't even that cold last night.

Nice try but the Chargers have the worst defense in the league.

Not last night they didn't. Broncos D looked far worse.

 

[General Tso]

Okay. He stinks in cold weather against any team not named the Titans.

A division rival came in with a solid game plan and executed it pretty much flawlessly. They were solid up front on both sides of the ball -- run blocking was exceptional and they were able to pressure Peyton consistently. He had little time to throw, which is why there were so many dump-offs to the RBs. There was no time for the outside guys to get open. Give credit where it's due. Though in fairness Denver's defense sucked, especially against the run, and couldn't get off the field.The penalty on that punt was huge. Chargers were able to hold the ball for almost the entire third quarter as a result. Potentially cost Peyton a 300 yard game and another TD, and possibly the win as well.And it wasn't even that cold last night.

Nice try but the Chargers have the worst defense in the league.

Not last night they didn't. Broncos D looked far worse.

Manning had a bad game last night. I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to admit. They cite the San Diego defense, even though it is the worst defense in all of football. I actually heard a guy on ESPN blame the Denver running game for the loss. Huh? Denver only rushed the ball 11 times last night. They threw it 41 times, almost 4 times as much.

Manning stunk last night. It happens.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'm not a big Peyton fan, but come on. Maybe, sometimes, 20 points is enough to win a game? Can't the defense step up, shut down the run and hold the offense to 14 or something? Don't championship teams sometimes get shutouts or bail out the offense?

 

[General Tso]

I'm not a big Peyton fan, but come on. Maybe, sometimes, 20 points is enough to win a game? Can't the defense step up, shut down the run and hold the offense to 14 or something? Don't championship teams sometimes get shutouts or bail out the offense?

You've got to be fair about it. If last night wasn't a bad night for Peyton Manning, what and when would you cite as a bad game?

 

[devouredbychaos]

At least when Brady has a bad game the Patriots still win..

 

[kyoun1e]

I'm not a big Peyton fan, but come on. Maybe, sometimes, 20 points is enough to win a game? Can't the defense step up, shut down the run and hold the offense to 14 or something? Don't championship teams sometimes get shutouts or bail out the offense?

You've got to be fair about it. If last night wasn't a bad night for Peyton Manning, what and when would you cite as a bad game?

Come on people.

I hate Manning, but he did not have a bad game.

His defense couldn't stay off the field. SD offense took advantage.

Did Manning have a couple three and outs? Yup. Did he throw a pick? Yup. Not a great performance by any means, but not a horribly poor one either.

Team loss.

And I hope he has more of them, but that one isn't on him.

May he lose in more choke-like fashion in the AFC Championship game, in Foxboro, against Brady.

 

[McGarnicle]

Okay. He stinks in cold weather against any team not named the Titans.

A division rival came in with a solid game plan and executed it pretty much flawlessly. They were solid up front on both sides of the ball -- run blocking was exceptional and they were able to pressure Peyton consistently. He had little time to throw, which is why there were so many dump-offs to the RBs. There was no time for the outside guys to get open. Give credit where it's due. Though in fairness Denver's defense sucked, especially against the run, and couldn't get off the field.The penalty on that punt was huge. Chargers were able to hold the ball for almost the entire third quarter as a result. Potentially cost Peyton a 300 yard game and another TD, and possibly the win as well.And it wasn't even that cold last night.

Nice try but the Chargers have the worst defense in the league.

Not last night they didn't. Broncos D looked far worse.

Manning had a bad game last night. I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to admit. They cite the San Diego defense, even though it is the worst defense in all of football. I actually heard a guy on ESPN blame the Denver running game for the loss. Huh? Denver only rushed the ball 11 times last night. They threw it 41 times, almost 4 times as much.

Manning stunk last night. It happens.

My bad. I overlooked the fact that San Diego is the Worst Defense In All Of Football which precludes them from ever improving, stepping up to the challenge against a familiar division opponent in a must-win game. Obviously I need to get my TV checked out because I didn't see what I saw last night. And yes, Peyton was just awful. San Diego controlling time of possession for two thirds of the game is no excuse. Do you have a blog?

 

[bostonfred]

In the second quarter, the broncos offense didn't gain a single yard. They lost one. Negative one yard for the quarter. But that's cool, because in the third quarter, they had a chance to make up for it. They had 37 yards.

But manning almost led a comeback. He led them to 17 points in the first 55 minutes. Then, down by seven, with about five minutes left, manning got the ball with a chance to drive down the field and tie the game. What did he do? Threw an interception and gave san diego the ball back in long field goal range.

But the defense held them to a field goal, and gave manning one more chance, with two minutes and change. What did manning do? Dink and dunk down the middle of the field, refuse to spike the ball, refuse to throw to the outside, and barely use his stud wideouts. With half a minute left and no timeouts, he left prater with a long field goal attempt.

So obviously, the problem was the denver defense and the fact that they didn't recover the onside kick.

 

[General Tso]

In the second quarter, the broncos offense didn't gain a single yard. They lost one. Negative one yard for the quarter. But that's cool, because in the third quarter, they had a chance to make up for it. They had 37 yards.

But manning almost led a comeback. He led them to 17 points in the first 55 minutes. Then, down by seven, with about five minutes left, manning got the ball with a chance to drive down the field and tie the game. What did he do? Threw an interception and gave san diego the ball back in long field goal range.

But the defense held them to a field goal, and gave manning one more chance, with two minutes and change. What did manning do? Dink and dunk down the middle of the field, refuse to spike the ball, refuse to throw to the outside, and barely use his stud wideouts. With half a minute left and no timeouts, he left prater with a long field goal attempt.

So obviously, the problem was the denver defense and the fact that they didn't recover the onside kick.

Great post as usual. Don't bother though. Manning has reached such an air of superiority that he can't have a bad game once in a while. You call it a bad game and even Manning haters criticize you.

 

[moleculo]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

 

[General Tso]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

His QBR last night was 61.5. His season average going into the game was about 85.

61.5 QBR is not even as good as Matt Ryan's season QBR. If you don't think that's a bad game for Peyton Manning I can't help you.

 

[moleculo]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

His QBR last night was 61.5. His season average going into the game was about 85.

61.5 QBR is not even as good as Matt Ryan's season QBR. If you don't think that's a bad game for Peyton Manning I can't help you.

I'm not saying it was a great game, just pointing out the ridiculous expectations Manning has right now. 61.5 QBR on the season, by the way, would be ranked 11th in the league, just ahead of Tom Brady.

 

[General Tso]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

His QBR last night was 61.5. His season average going into the game was about 85.61.5 QBR is not even as good as Matt Ryan's season QBR. If you don't think that's a bad game for Peyton Manning I can't help you.

I'm not saying it was a great game, just pointing out the ridiculous expectations Manning has right now. 61.5 QBR on the season, by the way, would be ranked 11th in the league, just ahead of Tom Brady.

He's definitely set a high bar, that's for sure. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

[bostonfred]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

This pretty much sums up the manning conversation in a nutshell. He loses, but you don't mention that at all. A quarter of his 298 yards came on a final drive that manning treated like garbage time instead of a serious comeback bid, but you're just interested in the totals. The interception was at the worst possible time for denver to come back, but you bundle it together in his total stats. The loss allowed the patriots, who made a similar comeback just four days earlier and have dealt with far worse adversity than the broncos all season, to get back in it, and you consider talk about brady as a legit mvp candidate to be "costing manning an mvp trophy". It's like we watch different sports, but with the same teams playing and the same outcomes. And only one of us is surprised each year when mannings team is knocked out early in the playoffs again.

 

[General Tso]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

 

[moleculo]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

This pretty much sums up the manning conversation in a nutshell. He loses, but you don't mention that at all. A quarter of his 298 yards came on a final drive that manning treated like garbage time instead of a serious comeback bid, but you're just interested in the totals. The interception was at the worst possible time for denver to come back, but you bundle it together in his total stats. The loss allowed the patriots, who made a similar comeback just four days earlier and have dealt with far worse adversity than the broncos all season, to get back in it, and you consider talk about brady as a legit mvp candidate to be "costing manning an mvp trophy".It's like we watch different sports, but with the same teams playing and the same outcomes. And only one of us is surprised each year when mannings team is knocked out early in the playoffs again.

I watch both sides of the ball, and saw a Bronco defense look worse than it has since the McD days. I saw a team that could not get off the field, could not generate pressure, could not stop the great Ryan Mathews, and now I'm here reading that people want to stick this all on Manning....I don't get it.

I saw Mannings arm get hit as he was in the process of throwing. I saw a team not recover an on-side kick. I saw a pretty terrible offensive game-plan. I did not see a miraculous pass interference call determine the game.

Was it a bad game? sure. I felt like the offensive game plan sucked. The entire defense sucked. the OL sucked. The WR's sucked. the RB's sucked. the entire team sucked. All I'm trying to point out is that Mannings end of game stat-line was not great, but it was still better than NFL average. I shudder to think what people would say if he ever threw for, say, 13-22, 116 yards, 1TD, 1 int, or maybe 18-38, 197 yards, 0 TD, 1 int.

 

[General Tso]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

This pretty much sums up the manning conversation in a nutshell. He loses, but you don't mention that at all. A quarter of his 298 yards came on a final drive that manning treated like garbage time instead of a serious comeback bid, but you're just interested in the totals. The interception was at the worst possible time for denver to come back, but you bundle it together in his total stats. The loss allowed the patriots, who made a similar comeback just four days earlier and have dealt with far worse adversity than the broncos all season, to get back in it, and you consider talk about brady as a legit mvp candidate to be "costing manning an mvp trophy".It's like we watch different sports, but with the same teams playing and the same outcomes. And only one of us is surprised each year when mannings team is knocked out early in the playoffs again.

I shudder to think what people would say if he ever threw for, say, 13-22, 116 yards, 1TD, 1 int, or maybe 18-38, 197 yards, 0 TD, 1 int.

That would never happen. Manning would never throw the ball only 22 times in a game lol.

 

[Apple Jack]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

 

[Mile High]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

Most teams don't have the kicker with the longest FG in NFL history on their team.

 

[General Tso]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

You're still on this ####?

You really think Peyton is the guy deciding whether to go for the FG or the TD first in this scenario?

 

[Apple Jack]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

 

[General Tso]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

 

[parasaurolophus]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

Conventional wisdom isn't really wise in the NFL. The same wise people argue you should wait to go for two when you are down 15 with 5 minutes left and you score a td. The same wise men don't go for it on 4th down as often as they should and the same wise men consistently recycle wise men that weren't very wise elsewhere, but of course can be wise again.

 

[Not Sleeping]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

Absurd to think he doesn't want to win first and foremost. UTTERLY absurd when you think that last night's loss knocks them out of the 1st seed if New England wins out, which jeopardizes his chance for another Super Bowl win, which if he gets, he will seriously bolster his candidacy for GOAT. But no, he just wants to throw an extra TD pass. Idiot.

 

[General Tso]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

Absurd to think he doesn't want to win first and foremost. UTTERLY absurd when you think that last night's loss knocks them out of the 1st seed if New England wins out, which jeopardizes his chance for another Super Bowl win, which if he gets, he will seriously bolster his candidacy for GOAT. But no, he just wants to throw an extra TD pass. Idiot.

Easy there pal. No need to start calling names.

 

[McGarnicle]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

Riiiight, it has nothing to do with the coaching, supporting casts or defenses of their respective teams. Brady simply wanted to win championships more than Peyton did. And Brady's winning percentage can't have anything to do with playing in a perennially horrible division.Did you know that playing golf causes thunderstorms? It's true! I played golf last Saturday and sure enough, a thunderstorm approached just as we finished eleven.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

It's garbage. Just admit it.

 

[General Tso]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

Riiiight, it has nothing to do with the coaching, supporting casts or defenses of their respective teams. Brady simply wanted to win championships more than Peyton did. And Brady's winning percentage can't have anything to do with playing in a perennially horrible division.Did you know that playing golf causes thunderstorms? It's true! I played golf last Saturday and sure enough, a thunderstorm approached just as we finished eleven.

Sorry, I forgot that Manning played in that juggernaut AFC South all those years. Tennessee, Jacksonville and Houston surely suppressed his winning percentage unfairly.

 

[McGarnicle]

One thing I noticed in last night's game that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. Down by 10 with less than 2 minutes left, the conventional wisdom in the NFL recently has been to quickly get in field goal range, kick the FG right away, then go for the onsides kick. Last night Peyton got into FG range with about 1:10 left. I knew Peyton and the Broncos wouldn't go for the quick FG. It just once again raises the issue of Manning's overriding motivations.

What do you think they are?

I think Manning likes records and stats, a bit moreso than Brady who's all about the W. Brady still loves his stats mind you, but Peyton at times seems consumed by them. The best analogy I've heard is that it's Russell and Chamberlain all over again.

Utterly absurd.

How is it absurd, nevermind utterly absurd? Manning has better stats and more records, while Brady has a better winning percentage and more Superbowls. Seems like a natural conclusion to draw.

Riiiight, it has nothing to do with the coaching, supporting casts or defenses of their respective teams. Brady simply wanted to win championships more than Peyton did. And Brady's winning percentage can't have anything to do with playing in a perennially horrible division.Did you know that playing golf causes thunderstorms? It's true! I played golf last Saturday and sure enough, a thunderstorm approached just as we finished eleven.

Sorry, I forgot that Manning played in that juggernaut AFC South all those years. Tennessee, Jacksonville and Houston surely suppressed his winning percentage unfairly.

They were a hell of a lot better than the east if you average it out over the years. Bills and Miami are almost always a complete joke, while the Jets had a few patches of goodness here and there. Plus you have Belichick illegally taping their practices, what do you expect?Seriously though, you're nuts if you really think it's simply Brady wanting it more. You can't actually believe that.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Wow, there are 2-3 Tom Terrific lovers carrying this thread with their hatred for Manning. Please drop dead. TIA

 

[General Tso]

Wow, there are 2-3 Tom Terrific lovers carrying this thread with their hatred for Manning. Please drop dead. TIA

You guys need to calm down. Can't people state their opinions anymore without insults being thrown at them? "Please drop dead?" Get a grip dude. It's an opinion. You don't like it, state yours and move on. It's the holidays after all.Yes, I really do believe that Tom Brady does a better job than Peyton Manning at WINNING. I think he is more concerned with the team than he is his own stats. It's not schtick, and it's not something I say just to piss off Manning fans. If you read my posts in other threads I am very high on Manning. I think he is one of the greatest of all times. But I don't think he is as focused on winning the game as Tom Brady is. And you know what? I think Brady got it from Belicheck. If Manning played under Belicheck I think he would have evolved that same laser focus on winning that Brady did.

 

[Apple Jack]

You are delusional.

 

[General Tso]

You are delusional.

And you're a tool. Now back to the topic.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No need to start calling names.

You are delusional.

And you're a tool. Now back to the topic.

 

[General Tso]

No need to start calling names.

You are delusional.

And you're a tool. Now back to the topic.

Sorry, but I asked nicely to refrain from the childish name calling, and the guy responded with name calling. He got what he gave. Sometimes you've got to hit back for people to get the message.

 

[Hoss Style]

It's like we watch different sports, but with the same teams playing and the same outcomes. And only one of us is surprised each year when mannings team is knocked out early in the playoffs again.

Indeed, it is. You expect someone not to point out the positives in a thread about Manning "choking"? You post everything negative that happened in the game and expect those defending Manning to post more negatives?

Now, maybe I've missed other posts from you, but from what I've seen you only post negatives about Manning, and then stand incredulous when others do the same on the opposite end.

You always bring Brady up in comparison, only speaking positive of him and only negative about Manning. It's almost as if you feel it somehow threatens Brady's legacy if Manning is acknowledged to be great as well. They're both great. It's almost as if:

"...we watch different sports, but with the same teams playing and the same outcomes."

 

[drummer]

bostonfred has a disturbing Peyton Manning fetish.

 

[TheFanatic]

Its pretty amazing that a 65 percent completion rate, 298 yards, 2 TD 1 int game is considered bad...bad enough that some think it will cost him an MVP trophy.

And his pick was when he was hit. He was driving the team when it happened. Had he not thrown that pick, that game was destined for OT.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Don't have a horse in this race but this thread is quite entertaining in an almost elevated "Springeresque" fashion. Please do carry on!

 

[Apple Jack]

No need to start calling names.

You are delusional.

And you're a tool. Now back to the topic.

Sorry, but I asked nicely to refrain from the childish name calling, and the guy responded with name calling. He got what he gave. Sometimes you've got to hit back for people to get the message.

I'm sorry, you and your imaginary world deserve more respect that to have your delusional behavior pointed out to you.