Tre Mason (2 Viewers)

[Soulfly3]

Said this from the start - Robinson + Mason have CHEMISTRY, and it will translate to the field.

Can one single lineman really have chemistry with a running back? I like Mason fine but this is silly.

When that lineman is of the finest pedigree, yes... I do believe so.

In fact, didnt he use Greg as his lead when he scored just this week?

You're reaching terribly. Just stick to getting a good call on Mason right. It's good enough.

It wasnt Robinson he ran behind anyways.. Just checked.

But as for whether or not a RB and lineman can have chemistry, I absolutely do believe that

 

[ratbast]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

 

[Braktastic]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

 

[Tango]

Said this from the start - Robinson + Mason have CHEMISTRY, and it will translate to the field.

Can one single lineman really have chemistry with a running back? I like Mason fine but this is silly.

Perhaps a new title for this thread?

 

[Avery]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

But Cunningham directly affects Mason's value so it would be applicable to the discussion.

 

[ratbast]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

Ok wise a, when Cunningham takes the goal line and pass plays you probably will want to know why we didnt talk about Cunningham as you committed to Mason. Theres talk about Stacy but no Cunningham when we consider Mason's value.

 

[rdrouyn]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

Ok wise a, when Cunningham takes the goal line and pass plays you probably will want to know why we didnt talk about Cunningham as you committed to Mason. Theres talk about Stacy but no Cunningham when we consider Mason's value.

Cunningham plays special team, it is not usual for a team to have a running back as returner and in the punt/kick team while being a bellcow. I doubt he becomes more than the 3rd down back unless they switch him out of the big role he has in ST.

He had an awesome return + the fake punt catch that won the game. Doubt they want to take him out of that role.

 

[Van Dyman]

The schedule is daunting in and of itself, and then the question is how will StL use Tre when trailing.

However weeks 13-16 go: Oak, @Was, ARI, NYG.

As for the weeks before week 13, well as Seattle proved one way to avoid falling behind early is use Mason early and often, build up a lead and then run him some more. Maybe StL gets better with him in there also.

Time for some Fisherball.

 

[Soulfly3]

Memories of LenDale White w 304 rushes in 2007, down to 200 in 2008, when CJ2K hit up 251 carries.

Fisher has no issue changing the guard for the superior runner.

 

[Tango]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

Ok wise a, when Cunningham takes the goal line and pass plays you probably will want to know why we didnt talk about Cunningham as you committed to Mason. Theres talk about Stacy but no Cunningham when we consider Mason's value.

That seems to be because some have been a religious mission to destroy Stacy and boost Mason in an internet thread. Not sure why. Doesnt make much sense unless you're his dad.

But anyway....yes, Cunningham matters. Memories are often very short though; ie not beyond two weeks.

Benny had a nice August, but September he didnt come close to being as impressive as Stacy...who showed some pretty nifty stuff during that time; in the passing game too.

The key point:

If you want to believe Mason is Mr First Down...and he has a great shot to get the plurality of 1st down snaps from here on out, then the interesting thing is that in that scenario Stacy is just as much a candidate for 3rd down duties as Cunningham is.

Unfortunately, they're all holds right now.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

Maybe because it's a Tre Mason thread.

Ok wise a, when Cunningham takes the goal line and pass plays you probably will want to know why we didnt talk about Cunningham as you committed to Mason. Theres talk about Stacy but no Cunningham when we consider Mason's value.

Cunningham plays special team, it is not usual for a team to have a running back as returner and in the punt/kick team while being a bellcow. I doubt he becomes more than the 3rd down back unless they switch him out of the big role he has in ST.

He had an awesome return + the fake punt catch that won the game. Doubt they want to take him out of that role.

Very good point, Cunningham and Watts have rather significant ST roles (Cunningham plays ~50% of ST snaps a game). This for sure will limit his offensive snaps (plays ~50% of offensive snaps a game as well).

 

[Buffaloes]

Not enough talk about Cunningham here,

I liked using him in Tecmo Super Bowl

 

[Van Dyman]

Memories of LenDale White w 304 rushes in 2007, down to 200 in 2008, when CJ2K hit up 251 carries.

Fisher has no issue changing the guard for the superior runner.

Bad analogy. 2008 LenDale/CJ was a true RBBC and not a mid-season changing of the guard. For the point you're making, Stacy 2013 is the better analogy.

Aside from the LenDale/CJ experiment, Fisher hasn't been a RBBC guy historically. He's better known for picking a guy and running him almost exclusively until the wheels fall off. Eddie George, LenDale, CJ, Stacy. Stacy is the only one I remember emerging mid-season, but it happened just last year and could happen again.

 

[cvnpoka]

How comfortable do we feel about Mason as a RB3 against the Chiefs Week 8? My main concerns are the Chiefs defense is better than many think and this will be Mason's first away game and on grass as the lead back.

If we use yesterday as an indicator of the future, he is an RB2, not an RB3... With RB1 upside.

But are we there yet? We dont know for certain, but can assume that yes, he will get the lions share of carries. In the most important part of yesterday's game, he was still used as the lead dog against the league's most feared defense.

Using him as your RB1, is a definite risk... It's been one week as the lead dog, and he passed w flying colours. But to be 100% certain, we would want a bigger sample. I have NO issue using him as an RB2 this week.. In fact, I will be.

Put it this way.... After beating up SF and SEA... if he does the same this week v KC, you can safely say you own an RB1 for the rest of the season, and likely longer if you roll w dynasty

its gonna be pretty hard for this guy to be a rb1. theres just a lot of stud rbs that he cant surpass.

murray

forte

lynch

foster

charles

leveon

gio

mccoy

lamar miller

ellington

then theres guys like ivory, forsett, ben tate, lacy, bradshaw, oliver, mckinnon. its just hard for a guy not involved in the passing game, only playing half the snaps and on a weak offense to be that valuable.

 

[John 14:6]

I just got offered Josh Gordon for Mason... Better go find a Josh Gordon thread!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

That seems to be because some have been a religious mission to destroy Stacy and boost Mason in an internet thread. Not sure why. Doesnt make much sense unless you're his dad.

The 5 Stages of Loss and Grief

1. Denial and Isolation

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance

the quicker you get to 5 the happier you'll be

 

[Tanner9919]

the ONLY caveat emptor with Mason, as per PFF, is that he has 91 yards running left of the LG, 13-32 yards running to the right..

I know there's a very small sample size, but how long till defenses figure this out and stop him on the left side and force him right?

other than that you can kiss Stacy goodbye..Mason is a top 10 RB the rest of the way, IMO, pretty soon he'll be up around 22- 25 carries/gm

 

[Faust]

Tre Mason And Charles Sims: A Tale Of Two Fantasy Ascents

 

[Soulfly3]

the ONLY caveat emptor with Mason, as per PFF, is that he has 91 yards running left of the LG, 13-32 yards running to the right..

I know there's a very small sample size, but how long till defenses figure this out and stop him on the left side and force him right?

other than that you can kiss Stacy goodbye..Mason is a top 10 RB the rest of the way, IMO, pretty soon he'll be up around 22- 25 carries/gm

Shocker... Running behind Robinson is where he's getting his yards

Color me shocked

 

[FlapJacks]

my two cents

Mason is far and away the best runner

They are not asking him to pass block and he fumbled

I see Tre being the primary going forward, but i see him losing passing downs and goal line stuff

I also see fumbling being a risk

 

[tdhartis]

my two cents

Mason is far and away the best runner

They are not asking him to pass block and he fumbled

I see Tre being the primary going forward, but i see him losing passing downs and goal line stuff

I also see fumbling being a risk

Just curious, why do you think he will lose goal-line work? He was in at the goal line against SEA.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

the ONLY caveat emptor with Mason, as per PFF, is that he has 91 yards running left of the LG, 13-32 yards running to the right..

I know there's a very small sample size, but how long till defenses figure this out and stop him on the left side and force him right?

other than that you can kiss Stacy goodbye..Mason is a top 10 RB the rest of the way, IMO, pretty soon he'll be up around 22- 25 carries/gm

Shocker... Running behind Robinson is where he's getting his yards

Color me shocked

thought robinson was at rg last week?

 

[FlapJacks]

my two cents

Mason is far and away the best runner

They are not asking him to pass block and he fumbled

I see Tre being the primary going forward, but i see him losing passing downs and goal line stuff

I also see fumbling being a risk

Just curious, why do you think he will lose goal-line work? He was in at the goal line against SEA.

wear and tear

I could be wrong,....

 

[ty247]

Nice article detailing Mason and breaking down his game vs. the Seahawks, per sporting news

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-10-21/2014-nfl-rookie-report-tre-mason-rams-running-back-fantasy-zac-stacy-cunningham-seahawks

Is it okay to link other stories? If not please let me know.

 

[Soulfly3]

For those who subscribe, today, Parsons and Cummings both aboard the Choo Choo Tre'n (I just made that up, copywritten)

 

[Soulfly3]

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[One]

For those who subscribe, today, Parsons and Cummings both aboard the Choo Choo Tre'n (I just made that up, copywritten)

What article are you referring to?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's worth noting in regards to Stacy's 3.9ypc that his coach is the same Jeff Fisher that stuck with Eddie George for 8 years despite him eclipsing 3.9ypc only twice in that span (and both times, barely) just because he could shoulder the load.

Fisher seems to care less about the ypc stat than anyone else in the league.

Hard to believe there was such a time but Fisher leaned on George right out the gate as a rookie. Fisher would run George 20-30+ times a game.

 

[TheFanatic]

the ONLY caveat emptor with Mason, as per PFF, is that he has 91 yards running left of the LG, 13-32 yards running to the right..

I know there's a very small sample size, but how long till defenses figure this out and stop him on the left side and force him right?

other than that you can kiss Stacy goodbye..Mason is a top 10 RB the rest of the way, IMO, pretty soon he'll be up around 22- 25 carries/gm

If they load up on the left to stop him there, wouldn't that make more room on the right for him to run? Seems like it would offset to me...

 

[Soulfly3]

For those who subscribe, today, Parsons and Cummings both aboard the Choo Choo Tre'n (I just made that up, copywritten)

What article are you referring to?

Dynasty Movement: Week 8

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How comfortable do we feel about Mason as a RB3 against the Chiefs Week 8? My main concerns are the Chiefs defense is better than many think and this will be Mason's first away game and on grass as the lead back.

If we use yesterday as an indicator of the future, he is an RB2, not an RB3... With RB1 upside.

But are we there yet? We dont know for certain, but can assume that yes, he will get the lions share of carries. In the most important part of yesterday's game, he was still used as the lead dog against the league's most feared defense.

Using him as your RB1, is a definite risk... It's been one week as the lead dog, and he passed w flying colours. But to be 100% certain, we would want a bigger sample. I have NO issue using him as an RB2 this week.. In fact, I will be.

Put it this way.... After beating up SF and SEA... if he does the same this week v KC, you can safely say you own an RB1 for the rest of the season, and likely longer if you roll w dynasty

The schedule looks rough now but week 13 he gets Oak, week 16 he gets the NYG.

 

[TwinTurbo]

It's worth noting in regards to Stacy's 3.9ypc that his coach is the same Jeff Fisher that stuck with Eddie George for 8 years despite him eclipsing 3.9ypc only twice in that span (and both times, barely) just because he could shoulder the load.

Fisher seems to care less about the ypc stat than anyone else in the league.

Hard to believe there was such a time but Fisher leaned on George right out the gate as a rookie. Fisher would run George 20-30+ times a game.

Yeah it's a different league now. And despite George's lower YPC, there was nobody else on the roster as productive and durable.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Lost in the Robinson-Mason chemistry debate is the fact that the Rams actually have one of the best lines in the whole league. From left to right Long - Robinson - Wells - Saffold - Barksdale (with Davin Joseph in reserve) is a scary unit especially in run blocking.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Via Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said "it'll be a week-to-week thing" at running back for the Rams.
"Zac [stacy] could get 25 carries this week," Fisher continued. "We had some things in early this week. It was working so we decided to stay with [Tre Mason]. It’s nothing that Zac has done or hasn’t done." Fisher clearly hates fantasy football. He's also never been a coach who favors a committee approach in the backfield. Most weeks, it's going to either be Mason or Stacy. And beat writer Nick Wagoner expects Mason to get the first look Week 8 against the Chiefs. Oct 22 - 2:05 PM

Anyone who more closely follows the Rams have any idea if that actually means anything? Is Fisher foolin' or is he blind?

 

[Soulfly3]

Via Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said "it'll be a week-to-week thing" at running back for the Rams.
"Zac [stacy] could get 25 carries this week," Fisher continued. "We had some things in early this week. It was working so we decided to stay with [Tre Mason]. It’s nothing that Zac has done or hasn’t done." Fisher clearly hates fantasy football. He's also never been a coach who favors a committee approach in the backfield. Most weeks, it's going to either be Mason or Stacy. And beat writer Nick Wagoner expects Mason to get the first look Week 8 against the Chiefs. Oct 22 - 2:05 PM

Anyone who more closely follows the Rams have any idea if that actually means anything? Is Fisher foolin' or is he blind?

this was posted a day or two ago...

personally, dont buy it. You're supposed "stud" logs ONE snap and not even a single carry?

I dont think Stacy is 100% outta the picture.. But if Mason doesnt struggle and keep this pace, it's his job... Ive always been in that boat since he was drafted

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Lost in the Robinson-Mason chemistry debate is the fact that the Rams actually have one of the best lines in the whole league. From left to right Long - Robinson - Wells - Saffold - Barksdale (with Davin Joseph in reserve) is a scary unit especially in run blocking.

surprised nobody's mentioned this

 

[mikel0254]

Via Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said "it'll be a week-to-week thing" at running back for the Rams.
"Zac [stacy] could get 25 carries this week," Fisher continued. "We had some things in early this week. It was working so we decided to stay with [Tre Mason]. It’s nothing that Zac has done or hasn’t done." Fisher clearly hates fantasy football. He's also never been a coach who favors a committee approach in the backfield. Most weeks, it's going to either be Mason or Stacy. And beat writer Nick Wagoner expects Mason to get the first look Week 8 against the Chiefs. Oct 22 - 2:05 PM

Anyone who more closely follows the Rams have any idea if that actually means anything? Is Fisher foolin' or is he blind?

this was posted a day or two ago...

personally, dont buy it. You're supposed "stud" logs ONE snap and not even a single carry?

I dont think Stacy is 100% outta the picture.. But if Mason doesnt struggle and keep this pace, it's his job... Ive always been in that boat since he was drafted

As tempting as it may be to start Mason this week, I can see an uptick in touches coming for Stacy. Regardless if you believe the coach speak or not, I would be shocked if he comes out and says Stacy could get 25 carries this week and doesn't give him a healthy amount. If Mason still outperforms this week, then I'd think he'll be high RB2, low RB1 the rest of the season.

 

[Hoss Style]

Lost in the Robinson-Mason chemistry debate is the fact that the Rams actually have one of the best lines in the whole league. From left to right Long - Robinson - Wells - Saffold - Barksdale (with Davin Joseph in reserve) is a scary unit especially in run blocking.

surprised nobody's mentioned this

Good point. This also says a few things about the other RBs on the roster.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Via Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said "it'll be a week-to-week thing" at running back for the Rams.
"Zac [stacy] could get 25 carries this week," Fisher continued. "We had some things in early this week. It was working so we decided to stay with [Tre Mason]. It’s nothing that Zac has done or hasn’t done." Fisher clearly hates fantasy football. He's also never been a coach who favors a committee approach in the backfield. Most weeks, it's going to either be Mason or Stacy. And beat writer Nick Wagoner expects Mason to get the first look Week 8 against the Chiefs. Oct 22 - 2:05 PM

Anyone who more closely follows the Rams have any idea if that actually means anything? Is Fisher foolin' or is he blind?

this was posted a day or two ago...

personally, dont buy it. You're supposed "stud" logs ONE snap and not even a single carry?

I dont think Stacy is 100% outta the picture.. But if Mason doesnt struggle and keep this pace, it's his job... Ive always been in that boat since he was drafted

As tempting as it may be to start Mason this week, I can see an uptick in touches coming for Stacy.

getting a touch would be an uptick

 

[Reegus]

Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence.

What is your guess on the smirk meaning?

 

[mikel0254]

Via Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said "it'll be a week-to-week thing" at running back for the Rams.
"Zac [stacy] could get 25 carries this week," Fisher continued. "We had some things in early this week. It was working so we decided to stay with [Tre Mason]. It’s nothing that Zac has done or hasn’t done." Fisher clearly hates fantasy football. He's also never been a coach who favors a committee approach in the backfield. Most weeks, it's going to either be Mason or Stacy. And beat writer Nick Wagoner expects Mason to get the first look Week 8 against the Chiefs. Oct 22 - 2:05 PM

Anyone who more closely follows the Rams have any idea if that actually means anything? Is Fisher foolin' or is he blind?

this was posted a day or two ago...

personally, dont buy it. You're supposed "stud" logs ONE snap and not even a single carry?

I dont think Stacy is 100% outta the picture.. But if Mason doesnt struggle and keep this pace, it's his job... Ive always been in that boat since he was drafted

As tempting as it may be to start Mason this week, I can see an uptick in touches coming for Stacy.

getting a touch would be an uptick

Touché. Let me rephrase, I see Stacy getting a healthy amount of touches this week. But I still think Mason will show he's a much better player and I'm excited for the future with this kid.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence.

What is your guess on the smirk meaning?

The smirk was super subtle but I think he was simply picturing Tre running the ball.

 

[zamboni]

Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence.

What is your guess on the smirk meaning?

Probably gas or heartburn.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence.

Sounds like Mr. Miagi explaining to Ralph Machio why he has to wash his car before he can go to the dojo.

 

[Plorfu]

Was it a sly smirk? A knowing smirk? Was his smirk smirking? Is it possible it was an "I just let off an SBD fart on the air" smirk? Can you rewatch the smirk frame by frame and give an analysis, please?

 

[Reegus]

Was it a sly smirk? A knowing smirk? Was his smirk smirking? Is it possible it was an "I just let off an SBD fart on the air" smirk? Can you rewatch the smirk frame by frame and give an analysis, please?

Lol

 

[NREC34]

It was the same type of smirk Soulfly gets when he posts about Tre.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Was it a sly smirk? A knowing smirk? Was his smirk smirking? Is it possible it was an "I just let off an SBD fart on the air" smirk? Can you rewatch the smirk frame by frame and give an analysis, please?

I have Fischer's Smirk in a keeper league, wondering if I should trade it for BB's Scowl...

edit: whoops. this probably belongs in the AC forum.