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Tre Mason (1 Viewer)

Carries Last 3 Weeks:

Mason - 18, 7, 19

Cunningham - 2, 4, 4

Stacy - 0, 5,0

Sorry... but what the hell are we arguing? What point are you guys trying to make?

The answer is slapping you in the face, but you're too stubborn to acknowledge it.
It's clear as day the he's taken over the job. I'm just pointing out that Stacy gets LIT UP for averaging 3.9 ( which you've loved to point out ad nasum here) but Tre puts up 2.9 and he's the second coming of AP. Once again I'm rooting for Tre, I benefit as a fan and owner, but the hype/hate is outta control around here.

 
Carries Last 3 Weeks:

Mason - 18, 7, 19

Cunningham - 2, 4, 4

Stacy - 0, 5,0

Sorry... but what the hell are we arguing? What point are you guys trying to make?

The answer is slapping you in the face, but you're too stubborn to acknowledge it.
It's clear as day the he's taken over the job. I'm just pointing out that Stacy gets LIT UP for averaging 3.9 ( which you've loved to point out ad nasum here) but Tre puts up 2.9 and he's the second coming of AP. Once again I'm rooting for Tre, I benefit as a fan and owner, but the hype/hate is outta control around here.
Exactly. Nobody's arguing whether Mason will lead the team in carries from here on out.

What's up for debate is what he'll do with them.

I do think there's some element here of bias... if Stacy had this game, he'd be ripped for his YPC, the Rams would have only won because of Kaep's fumble, and Fisher would be blamed for not using Mason to win this one going away.

The truth is somewhere in between what both sides are arguing here. It's Mason's job, and he'll probably do OK - won't catch many passes, may lose looks at the goal line, and faces a pretty tough schedule. On the other hand, he's clearly been better than Stacy and as long as the game flow dosen't get out of hand, he'll get some yards.

Ideally he's a RB3 on a good team, but not everyone has that luxury, so he'll be useful to those who need to use him as a #2 some weeks.

He won't win leagues, and he doesn't belong on waivers. He's somewhere in between.

 
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RenegadeGM said:
I do think there's some element here of bias... if Stacy had this game, he'd be ripped for his YPC, the Rams would have only won because of Kaep's fumble, and Fisher would be blamed for not using Mason to win this one going away.

The truth is somewhere in between what both sides are arguing here.
What's kind of interesting is that there's no real argument in here. No one that I recall is rooting against Mason in any way, but supposed arguments arise when someone who isnt a sycophant has the audacity to point out both a pro and a con of any issue surrounding Mason.

 
A little history lesson for you:

Zac Stacy in 2013, had games with the following YPC's:

1 (15 carries)

1.79 (14 carries)

2.3 (26 carries)

3.1 (17 carries)

3.1 (33 carries)

...... The guy who was touted as a top 10 RB in redraft this year.

Mason's ypc today was not good. Not good at all. Don't recall anyone saying that. But it bears repeating... Mason as the lead dog at RB, his team beat Seattle at home, and SF.

RB2, without a doubt

 
A little history lesson for you:

Zac Stacy in 2013, had games with the following YPC's:

1 (15 carries)

1.79 (14 carries)

2.3 (26 carries)

3.1 (17 carries)

3.1 (33 carries)

...... The guy who was touted as a top 10 RB in redraft this year.

Mason's ypc today was not good. Not good at all. Don't recall anyone saying that. But it bears repeating... Mason as the lead dog at RB, his team beat Seattle at home, and SF.

RB2, without a doubt
it doesn't worry you thought that once they beat seattle at home and everyone touted him as the for sure starter, like we are now. it didn't happen the following week. can we be sure that fisher won't just divide everything up again?

 
A little history lesson for you:

Zac Stacy in 2013, had games with the following YPC's:

1 (15 carries)

1.79 (14 carries)

2.3 (26 carries)

3.1 (17 carries)

3.1 (33 carries)

...... The guy who was touted as a top 10 RB in redraft this year.

Mason's ypc today was not good. Not good at all. Don't recall anyone saying that. But it bears repeating... Mason as the lead dog at RB, his team beat Seattle at home, and SF.

RB2, without a doubt
it doesn't worry you thought that once they beat seattle at home and everyone touted him as the for sure starter, like we are now. it didn't happen the following week. can we be sure that fisher won't just divide everything up again?
After his comment the other day plus what he told the announcer before the game today, I think his mind is made.

 
This forum is pretty funny when it comes to these kinds of threads. The Ronnie Hillman/CJ Anderson thread was the same way.

A bunch of people make the wrong call, and then spend the next 10 pages grasping at straws that support their original argument.

Not complaining, it's entertaining. :homer:

 
Fisher is being interviewed on NFL Insiders right now. I'll copy what he says verbatim..

"As far as Tre's concerned, um, ya know, running backs have to learn how to play without the football as well as playing with the football and it often times takes running backs a few weeks or time to do that. By "that" I mean the pass protection and stuff and getting out in the routes where we can trust him. He's worked very hard over the last few weeks so were going to start increasing his carries whenever possible."

He smirked a bit after finishing that last sentence. :shrug:
:moneybag:

 
nice to see the carries again.... but with that schedule left i can't see him as anything more than a desperation play in redraft... i dont think this offense is good enough to produce fantasy relevant running numbers on a consistent level that you can trust as we head towards the playoffs

 
How about some nice facts.

He is averaging 4.5 per carry.

He has games against Chargers, Raiders, Giants and Redskins ahead of him.

You probably have a less attractive RB on your bench right now.

 
nice to see the carries again.... but with that schedule left i can't see him as anything more than a desperation play in redraft... i dont think this offense is good enough to produce fantasy relevant running numbers on a consistent level that you can trust as we head towards the playoffs
He looks great running the ball but he needs to get in the end zone to be really valuable in FF and it's not a good eniough offense that will allow him to do that reliably.

 
gonna be another tough couple matchups unfortunately with the Cards followed by the Broncos. He ran well though vs. a tough run defense...he made some guys miss and finished off his runs well.

 
nice to see the carries again.... but with that schedule left i can't see him as anything more than a desperation play in redraft... i dont think this offense is good enough to produce fantasy relevant running numbers on a consistent level that you can trust as we head towards the playoffs
He looks great running the ball but he needs to get in the end zone to be really valuable in FF and it's not a good eniough offense that will allow him to do that reliably.
The offense/o-line and the schedule wasnt particularly better in 2013 and Zac Stacy was a difference maker for many of us when he emerged, so I cannot ride Mason off due to those factors. Stacy owned the snaps on all three downs, picked up the yards and got in the EZ enough to win me some key games.

If Mason is leaps and bounds better than Stacy as many claim, then Mason should be an absolute gold-mine.

Should being the key word.

 
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nice to see the carries again.... but with that schedule left i can't see him as anything more than a desperation play in redraft... i dont think this offense is good enough to produce fantasy relevant running numbers on a consistent level that you can trust as we head towards the playoffs
He looks great running the ball but he needs to get in the end zone to be really valuable in FF and it's not a good eniough offense that will allow him to do that reliably.
I think just as - if not more important - will be him being involved in the passing game. Otherwise his use will be very game flow oriented and he won't get a lot of touches/yardage when the game isn't close or the Rams abandon the running game.

 
The silver lining committee has arrived.
He's the lead dog. Get over it.
Jeff Fisher refuses to call RB Tre Mason the starter

Larry Hartstein / CBSSports.com

November 03, 2014 06:32 PM

Rams rookie running back Tre Mason carried 19 times in the Week 9 win at San Francisco, compared to four for Benny Cunningham and zero for Zac Stacy. But coach Jeff Fisher on Monday declined to name Mason the starter or primary option, reports ESPN.com.

Fisher insisted the team hasn't lost faith in Stacy, who's averaged 3.9 yards per carry with one touchdown and two lost fumbles this season.

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90% of owners will not be starting Mason in week 10. Any hopes of him being the Zac Stacy of 2014 are fading fast, but beggers can't be choosers...and I'll gladly take some playoff production from Mason if he is established against their weak late schedule.

 
The silver lining committee has arrived.
He's the lead dog. Get over it.
Jeff Fisher refuses to call RB Tre Mason the starter

Larry Hartstein / CBSSports.com

November 03, 2014 06:32 PM

Rams rookie running back Tre Mason carried 19 times in the Week 9 win at San Francisco, compared to four for Benny Cunningham and zero for Zac Stacy. But coach Jeff Fisher on Monday declined to name Mason the starter or primary option, reports ESPN.com.

Fisher insisted the team hasn't lost faith in Stacy, who's averaged 3.9 yards per carry with one touchdown and two lost fumbles this season.

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90% of owners will not be starting Mason in week 10. Any hopes of him being the Zac Stacy of 2014 are fading fast, but beggers can't be choosers...and I'll gladly take some playoff production from Mason if he is established against their weak late schedule.
If I'm not starting him it's because of the tough matchup and nothing to do with what Fisher is saying which is exactly similar to how I used Stacy last year, meaning I sat him in most tough division matchups. Which was usually the correct call and never a disastrous one considering in 4 division starts last year he maxed out at 13.9 points, and that's PPR scoring.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Jeff Fisher said the Rams will continue to use a committee approach at running back.

Give it up. It's the same tune coach has been singing every Monday. And it's crystal clear that Tre Mason is the far superior talent in the Rams' backfield. Mason handled 19 of the 23 running-back carries against San Francisco, while Benny Cunningham played third downs and Zac Stacy rode the bench. However, Fisher insists Mason missed some holes and continues to say Stacy will remain a big part of the offense. Look for Mason to get most of the work Week 10 vs. Arizona.

Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch
 
Divisional road game, w a much improved defense, and no passing game to speak of...

Seems like a recipe for a 30-35 carry night for the Rams. Keep it close, control the clock.

 
hate to say it, but he's on my bench for taliaferro tomorrow (vs. TN) as RB2 w/ bradshaw on a bye. just looking for a 50 + a td game.

@ AZ might be a tough game for STL even after they managed to beat SF last week.

still a believer in the TRE train tho. fish will pull his head out of his ### soon. GL to those of you rolling him out tomorrow.

 
thecardiackid said:
hate to say it, but he's on my bench for taliaferro tomorrow (vs. TN) as RB2 w/ bradshaw on a bye. just looking for a 50 + a td game.

@ AZ might be a tough game for STL even after they managed to beat SF last week.

still a believer in the TRE train tho. fish will pull his head out of his ### soon. GL to those of you rolling him out tomorrow.
I honestly have the same situation and talifero is in @ rb2 as well. Can't decide...,

 
A little history lesson for you:

Zac Stacy in 2013, had games with the following YPC's:

1 (15 carries)

1.79 (14 carries)

2.3 (26 carries)

3.1 (17 carries)

3.1 (33 carries)

...... The guy who was touted as a top 10 RB in redraft this year.

Mason's ypc today was not good. Not good at all. Don't recall anyone saying that. But it bears repeating... Mason as the lead dog at RB, his team beat Seattle at home, and SF.

RB2, without a doubt
Thanks for the "history lesson"... seems more like a personal vendetta against Stacy though...

You could always cherry pick stats... Four of those games were on the road against the Seahawks, Panthers, Cardinals and Colts - among the top defenses in the league. And (YPC be damned) most coaches would take a 33-104/TD stat line because those numbers usually mean a win.

There was also another 7 games when he averaged over 4, 5 or even 7 yards per carry. For the season, a respectable 3.9 average given the context of the 2013 Rams. He is at the same YPC this season. And this years Rams is a far less than ideal situation given the QB question marks.

It wasn't a stretch for Stacy to be highly regarded given his age, 2013 performance and ability to contribute in the passing game. Unfortunately, this opportunity has slipped into a 3 headed RBBC that makes it difficult for anyone to be fantasy valuable. I have Mason and start him out of necessity.

 
1st and goal from the 4 and its Benny.
Yep, this is starting to look like a situation where you know where the talent lies, but Tre is not going to get used like a top back, commanding all touches. Thus, he's not going to win a FFC for redraft owners in 2014. As opposed to Stacy who was just force fed in 2013, regardless of YPC/talent/what have you.

 
1st and goal from the 4 and its Benny.
Yep, this is starting to look like a situation where you know where the talent lies, but Tre is not going to get used like a top back, commanding all touches. Thus, he's not going to win a FFC for redraft owners in 2014. As opposed to Stacy who was just force fed in 2013, regardless of YPC/talent/what have you.
Anyone picking him up in hopes he leads to a championship was sorely mistaken. He's a bye week injury player. Anything more than 8-10 points on weeks you need to start him is pure bonus.
 
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hate to say it, but he's on my bench for taliaferro tomorrow (vs. TN) as RB2 w/ bradshaw on a bye. just looking for a 50 + a td game.

@ AZ might be a tough game for STL even after they managed to beat SF last week.

still a believer in the TRE train tho. fish will pull his head out of his ### soon. GL to those of you rolling him out tomorrow.
I honestly have the same situation and talifero is in @ rb2 as well. Can't decide...,
hope you were smarter than me... :topcat:

 
1st and goal from the 4 and its Benny.
Yep, this is starting to look like a situation where you know where the talent lies, but Tre is not going to get used like a top back, commanding all touches. Thus, he's not going to win a FFC for redraft owners in 2014. As opposed to Stacy who was just force fed in 2013, regardless of YPC/talent/what have you.
Anyone picking him up in hopes he leads to a championship was sorely mistaken. He's a bye week injury player. Anything more than 8-10 points on weeks you need to start him is pure bonus.
The season is only half over and Mason has already gone from 3rd on the depth chart to starter. Way to early to draw this conclusion.

 
1st and goal from the 4 and its Benny.
Yep, this is starting to look like a situation where you know where the talent lies, but Tre is not going to get used like a top back, commanding all touches. Thus, he's not going to win a FFC for redraft owners in 2014. As opposed to Stacy who was just force fed in 2013, regardless of YPC/talent/what have you.
Anyone picking him up in hopes he leads to a championship was sorely mistaken. He's a bye week injury player. Anything more than 8-10 points on weeks you need to start him is pure bonus.
The season is only half over and Mason has already gone from 3rd on the depth chart to starter. Way to early to draw this conclusion.
Sure, the seasons not over yet; heck the Cardinals game is not over yet. Mason could break one just as the tight end did. But when placing careful bets at the table, most are not starting him yet...while Stacy was already firmly in my lineup by this time in 2013.

Im hoping for late season starter-worthy production. He's not there yet. Of course, again, with the touches he gets now he is still a candidate to pop for starter level scoring (ie he could break one at any time and set off three pages of orgasms in this thread), but he's not reliable given the current way they distribute the ball.

So for those of us who were looking for the next Zac Stacy of 2013, Mason doesnt seem to be able to deliver that particular package. But again, beggars cant be choosers and many will gladly take a late season star if that's what the future holds.

 
ARI just shut em down.

Still 3.6 v ARI and over 80yds in total w 4 catches

And stacy is legit a non concern. And really, cunningham doesnt seem like much of one either

 
Another week where he dominates the touches. Agree that is not that valuable in redraft. Most carries and targets.

 
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hate to say it, but he's on my bench for taliaferro tomorrow (vs. TN) as RB2 w/ bradshaw on a bye. just looking for a 50 + a td game.

@ AZ might be a tough game for STL even after they managed to beat SF last week.

still a believer in the TRE train tho. fish will pull his head out of his ### soon. GL to those of you rolling him out tomorrow.
I honestly have the same situation and talifero is in @ rb2 as well. Can't decide...,
hope you were smarter than me... :topcat:
Lol I wasn't but arz def and sanders showed up.

 
it's been rough trying to start this guy because the rams schedule has been brutal. The schedule lets up a bit with denver, san diego, oakland, wash, arizona, and nyg the remainder of the season. It was definitely encouraging to see the rams start using him in the passing game a bit.

 

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