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True Detective: Tom went in to listen to the Cardinals game...in November. Mmmmmhmmmm... (1 Viewer)

I suppose it's possible that the show runner struck gold last time and simply isn't that talented. I prefer to think that he knows what he is doing though. Each of the following possibilities has occurred to me:

- tie in with Yellow King cult

- the other two cops die in the next two episodes and 5-8 are flashbacks of all three cops earlier in life.

- cult leader Dad is the killer (too obvious)

 
Serious question -

Did girl detective drop Velcro off outside a police station and then it cut right to him walking in his house or does he live net door to the station?

 
I suppose it's possible that the show runner struck gold last time and simply isn't that talented. I prefer to think that he knows what he is doing though. Each of the following possibilities has occurred to me:

- tie in with Yellow King cult

- the other two cops die in the next two episodes and 5-8 are flashbacks of all three cops earlier in life.

- cult leader Dad is the killer (too obvious)
I think all of those are very wrong.

 
I'd be fine with rubber bullets.

Taking a cop down must be a last resort for an organization trying to remain in the shadows. Yes, the whole incident brings attention but maybe this was the lesser of two evils.
As opposed to burning the eyes out of the city controller (or whatever his position just below mayor was) and shooting his genitals off and displaying him in public for discovery.
 
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I suppose it's possible that the show runner struck gold last time and simply isn't that talented. I prefer to think that he knows what he is doing though. Each of the following possibilities has occurred to me:

- tie in with Yellow King cult

- the other two cops die in the next two episodes and 5-8 are flashbacks of all three cops earlier in life.

- cult leader Dad is the killer (too obvious)
I think all of those are very wrong.
Probably.

 
At what point does any detective become such hot #### that heads of all law enforcement and the mayor is kissing his ### and is the center point of every meeting?

This alcoholic mess isn't batman.
The mayor is basically a mob boss with a title. Colin Farrell is a lead henchman. :shrug:
That crew that just had him in the office were all "straight" cops but the mayor though right?
I'd say obvs Farrell's boss is dirty, the skinny tall guy, but not sure which scene you're talking about. I'd assume everyone in the city government is dirty. But the scene with McAdams interviewing him, she's obviously clean. So to speak.

I like to think she's dirty...really dirty.
The State of California is also secretly investigating Velcoro and the City.

 
I'd be fine with rubber bullets.

Taking a cop down must be a last resort for an organization trying to remain in the shadows. Yes, the whole incident brings attention but maybe this was the lesser of two evils.
As opposed to burning the eyes out of the city controller (or whatever his position just below mayor was) and shooting his genitals off and displaying him in public for discovery.
:goodposting:

Also, if it's just rubber bullets, why shoot him a second time? He's already down - if you don't want him dead, just leave him there.

 
Only skimmed the last few pages....

So people think Ray is dead? Vest, rubber bullets.... I'm not buying he's dead. It would be pretty ####### cool if he was though.

Someone mentioned previews from next week and I hard deleted that comment. THAT IS WAY PREVIEWS ARE SPOILERS PEOPLE!!!!!

Motorcycle guy is twisted. He killed the city planner so he could find him later and then get on a big case that would let him get back on the bike.
I didn't watch the previews of next week, but IMDB shows CF in all 8 episodes so there is either going to be an increase in flashback scenes or he is alive.

 
I'm hoping I'm wrong since season 1 was so good.... but there is just nothing that interests me about this season at all. I'm still not sure what the story is about, nor do I really care to find out. None of the characters or plot-lines are even remotely interesting to me. I actually fell asleep during the last episode (luckily I woke up in time for Ballers). I'd have more patience if there were 12-14 episodes but since there are only 8 and this season is already 25% over, I don't have much hope. We are only watching because season 1 was so good, if this was the first season the show would already be cancelled.
I'm right behind you on this. Something needs to happen... they haven't given us anything to hang on to yet.

I'll watch the season, but it has some pretty serious catching up to do.

 
What really bothered me was how unrealistic that chicken scene was. The skin is by far the best part...who the F doesn't like deep fried chicken skin?

 
I'm in the anti-VV camp. God he sucks. That opening scene was uncomfortably bad.

The e-cig/robot **** line was funny.

I'm still really confused on WTF is really happening.

 
I'm hoping I'm wrong since season 1 was so good.... but there is just nothing that interests me about this season at all. I'm still not sure what the story is about, nor do I really care to find out. None of the characters or plot-lines are even remotely interesting to me. I actually fell asleep during the last episode (luckily I woke up in time for Ballers). I'd have more patience if there were 12-14 episodes but since there are only 8 and this season is already 25% over, I don't have much hope. We are only watching because season 1 was so good, if this was the first season the show would already be cancelled.
I'm right behind you on this. Something needs to happen... they haven't given us anything to hang on to yet.

I'll watch the season, but it has some pretty serious catching up to do.
I am with you guys on this. I know the ending was supposed to be some GOT type moment in the show, but I guess I hope he's dead so they can move the show along and find a way to get the remaining characters to be more than just miserable people.

 
I'm still really confused on WTF is really happening.
Shady business guy who was into porn/prostitution/sex has been murdered. Messed up cops and another likely shady business man(VV) are trying to figure out who did it. One of the cops was shot twice by a man wearing a bird mask/hat while investigating murder.

It's really that simple.

 
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What really bothered me was how unrealistic that chicken scene was. The skin is by far the best part...who the F doesn't like deep fried chicken skin?
I hear the carbs speed up genital blistering and other ruptured outbreaks on the mucous membranes.

Sheesh, Riggins is in some gritty scenes. Wait until we get to the male prostitutes.

 
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Serious question -

Did girl detective drop Velcro off outside a police station and then it cut right to him walking in his house or does he live net door to the station?
The latter. Clearly shown in the first episode.

It's only 55 minutes man, don't worry, Candy Crush isn't going anywhere.

 
I like the angle of the 3 Law Enforcement Agencies simultaneously working together and against each other.

 
Only skimmed the last few pages....

So people think Ray is dead? Vest, rubber bullets.... I'm not buying he's dead. It would be pretty ####### cool if he was though.

Someone mentioned previews from next week and I hard deleted that comment. THAT IS WAY PREVIEWS ARE SPOILERS PEOPLE!!!!!

Motorcycle guy is twisted. He killed the city planner so he could find him later and then get on a big case that would let him get back on the bike.
I didn't watch the previews of next week, but IMDB shows CF in all 8 episodes so there is either going to be an increase in flashback scenes or he is alive.
OMG SPOILERS.Go back to the True Detective book thread.

 
I don't know if I "like" him, but I'm certainly sympathetic toward Velcorro's character.

  • He's shooting blanks and marriage is struggling with his hot wife (despite her gaping nostrils).
  • Then dude's wife gets raped and pregnant from it. And has gingerkid.
  • He wants a kid so bad he raises GK as his own.
  • VV hears about rape/kid/etc and contacts Velcorro knowing that he can probably buy this guy with the rapists' identity/location.
  • Velcorro does what many of us say we would do if our wife is raped ####### gaffles this loser... maybe he thinks his family gets some closure.
  • But no, marriage is still rough, he starts drinking and doing drugs really heavy. Plus now he has to do favors for the V-man.
  • He loses wife and slowly pisses away his chance of having something with his kid. Now he's got nothing.
Totally feels like there could be a redemption song in it for him, especially since they shot him in the junk with rubber bullets.

Plus, robot ****.

 
Serious question -

Did girl detective drop Velcro off outside a police station and then it cut right to him walking in his house or does he live net door to the station?
There have been two of these shots now. I think he literally lives in the parking lot of the station.

It is weird and distracting.

 
I like Velcoro. I also noted that Semyon told him he was indebted to Semyon because Velcoro "dumped a body." We still don't know who killed the "rapist."

 
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I don't know if I "like" him, but I'm certainly sympathetic toward Velcorro's character.

  • He's shooting blanks and marriage is struggling with his hot wife (despite her gaping nostrils).
  • Then dude's wife gets raped and pregnant from it. And has gingerkid.
  • He wants a kid so bad he raises GK as his own.
  • VV hears about rape/kid/etc and contacts Velcorro knowing that he can probably buy this guy with the rapists' identity/location.
  • Velcorro does what many of us say we would do if our wife is raped ####### gaffles this loser... maybe he thinks his family gets some closure.
  • But no, marriage is still rough, he starts drinking and doing drugs really heavy. Plus now he has to do favors for the V-man.
  • He loses wife and slowly pisses away his chance of having something with his kid. Now he's got nothing.
Totally feels like there could be a redemption song in it for him, especially since they shot him in the junk with rubber bullets.

Plus, robot ****.
And really, you can tell a similar hard luck life story about both of the other cops...plus RMc's butt.

 
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1. He did tell the ex he did it for her and she said he didn't do it for her (meaning he did it for himself).

2. VV told him if he tried to go clean he'd go to prison for life for it...so he's got some evidence tucked away too.

 
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I like Velcoro. I also noted that Semyon told him he was indebted to Semyon because Velcoro "dumped a body." We still don't know who killed the "rapist."
he told his ex wife he took care of him for her
Yeah, but he lyin'.

He even made sure to invoke natural law. Nobody invokes natural law unless they're full of ####.

(I kid about that last part, I kid.)
You drunk already?
He might have lied to his wife about it to seem like more of a man. I guess only time will tell.

 
I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine. They need more scenes like after he came upon the guy who got beat up. That was right in his wheelhouse.

 
I like Velcoro. I also noted that Semyon told him he was indebted to Semyon because Velcoro "dumped a body." We still don't know who killed the "rapist."
he told his ex wife he took care of him for her
Yeah, but he lyin'.

He even made sure to invoke natural law. Nobody invokes natural law unless they're full of ####.

(I kid about that last part, I kid.)
You drunk already?
He might have lied to his wife about it to seem like more of a man. I guess only time will tell.
When I was a kid a million years ago I worked at this ####ty phone sales job part time. The guy I sat next to drank bottles of Dr. Pepper all day...only it was Dr. Pepper and Jagermeister. He was pretty hilarious by the end of the work day. That wasn't you by any chance, was it?

 
I like Velcoro. I also noted that Semyon told him he was indebted to Semyon because Velcoro "dumped a body." We still don't know who killed the "rapist."
he told his ex wife he took care of him for her
Yeah, but he lyin'.

He even made sure to invoke natural law. Nobody invokes natural law unless they're full of ####.

(I kid about that last part, I kid.)
You drunk already?
He might have lied to his wife about it to seem like more of a man. I guess only time will tell.
When I was a kid a million years ago I worked at this ####ty phone sales job part time. The guy I sat next to drank bottles of Dr. Pepper all day...only it was Dr. Pepper and Jagermeister. He was pretty hilarious by the end of the work day. That wasn't you by any chance, was it?
Sounds like an intelligent, witty, urbane, and otherwise genial man who could've learned you a thing or two.

Anybody blustering about natural law upon somebody else's death by their own hand is either really, really desperate (which this guy clearly is) or a lying blowhard (which he also clearly is) or religious (which he probably isn't). I'm just saying that he hasn't confessed to anybody outside of someone who might not be impelled to testify against him anyway.

 
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I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine. They need more scenes like after he came upon the guy who got beat up. That was right in his wheelhouse.
can someone explain that scene to me. I was in the middle of a mean game of bubble witch at the time
 
Neat reading, if one wants to get out of Occam's razor for the show and indulge a potential plot line or two. Aiding and abetting law in CA, with professional duties (Velcoro, as a cop, likely has a duty to stop crimes he knows are to be committed. Could be why he's indebted to Semyon). And spousal duties with respect to forced spousal testimony compelled by the state. Exes don't count.

http://www.shouselaw.com/aiding-abetting.html#1.1

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/can-spouses-be-forced-testify-against-one-another

 
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I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine.
I reject that notion.

Other comic actors have done well in dramatic roles. Steve Martin and Jim Carrey come to mind. I could come up with more if I wanted to take the time.

 
Neat reading, if one wants to get out of Occam's razor for the show and indulge a potential plot line or two. Aiding and abetting law in CA, with professional duties (Velcoro, as a cop, likely has a duty to stop crimes he knows are to be committed. Could be why he's indebted to Semyon). And spousal duties with respect to forced spousal testimony compelled by the state. Exes don't count.

http://www.shouselaw.com/aiding-abetting.html#1.1

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/can-spouses-be-forced-testify-against-one-another
So what's the alternative in your world? Despite VV saying he Velcorro killed him and Velcorro telling his wife he did it... what? VV did it and framed him?

 
I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine. They need more scenes like after he came upon the guy who got beat up. That was right in his wheelhouse.
can someone explain that scene to me. I was in the middle of a mean game of bubble witch at the time
The guy was a bookie, and VV owns the casino, so he had him beat up.

 
rockaction's posting style reminds me of Patrick Bateman's. Not that I'm accusing anyone of using an alias, just an observation :D

 
Neat reading, if one wants to get out of Occam's razor for the show and indulge a potential plot line or two. Aiding and abetting law in CA, with professional duties (Velcoro, as a cop, likely has a duty to stop crimes he knows are to be committed. Could be why he's indebted to Semyon). And spousal duties with respect to forced spousal testimony compelled by the state. Exes don't count.

http://www.shouselaw.com/aiding-abetting.html#1.1

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/can-spouses-be-forced-testify-against-one-another
So what's the alternative in your world? Despite VV saying he Velcorro killed him and Velcorro telling his wife he did it... what? VV did it and framed him?
There are a few alternatives, but they're just mere speculations and possible plot lines. I wouldn't take me too seriously. If you want to go by the literal admissions within the show, go with them. I'm just having fun with the possibilities.

So here's the counter-argument: VV (Semyon) never said Velcoro killed anybody. He said he "dumped a body," which is disposal. If this literally happened, this would make Velcoro an accomplice to the murder, possibly a conspirator, and would lead to a life sentence regardless, given that Velcoro physically dumped the body. Another alternative is that according to California criminal law, all Velcoro would have to know is that Semyon had intent to either kill or dispose of a body and that might, in it of itself, violate his police duties (in his official capacity) to stop a crime, which might also be considered aiding and abetting, which would then also bring a life charge. Even if Velcoro did nothing, he's still in Semyon's pocket by simply knowing.

Less stringently, we have a public scene outside of a large, public shopping center with a Buffalo Wild Wings where a guy is screaming back-and-forth with his ex-wife about a murder he committed some years back. Seems odd.

In addition, the fractured narrative of the show and its seemingly intended vagueness come into play here. All we have are first-person confessions, doubts, etc. And all of these seem to come from extremely troubled characters with drug, sex, substance, and childhood issues coloring all of their statements. First-person narrative is always suspect as a literary device because of its unreliability. Third-person, objective narratives are when most readers, viewers, and listeners come to find out the truth of the first-person narratives strewn throughout. In television, and especially detective mysteries, this third-person certitude often reveals itself to the viewer by showing actions rather than having the viewer rely on otherwise suspect dialogue. So far, we've had very little third-person, televisual proof about anything in this series, which might be causing people difficulty getting into the show, but that's another issue for another time.

Hell, we don't even know if the rifle shots last week were real or rock salt; why wouldn't we randomly speculate about other things? There is very little that is definitive about the plot developments of the show so far. The admission at Wild Wings is the most definitive proof we have that Velcoro killed a man, and he's desperate, and the recipient of the confession is also compromised in some way.

And that's it. Velcoro probably killed the guy, but there's certainly nothing definitive about it.

 
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rockaction's posting style reminds me of Patrick Bateman's. Not that I'm accusing anyone of using an alias, just an observation :D
Bateman and I are both something else, apparently, but there's no alias to link us. I would swear on a bible (or something suitable for agnostics) about that. Bateman is also a smarter man than I, at least in drawing out late-night conversation.

 
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I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine.
I reject that notion. Other comic actors have done well in dramatic roles. Steve Martin and Jim Carrey come to mind. I could come up with more if I wanted to take the time.
Robin Williams
Vince Vaughan is pretty good in that True Detective show.
 
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Right now I think Ani is the True Detective. She took the title from Ray this past episode, while Paul remains off the lead. Frank kind of did some detectivin', so he gets a shout-out.

Ray's drunk partner does not rank because he's the killer. DQ'ed!

 
I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine. They need more scenes like after he came upon the guy who got beat up. That was right in his wheelhouse.
I'm on board with saying VV has been horrible, but I will agree that scene wasn't bad.

 
I'm enjoying this season so far, I think it's intriguing. Don't get all the VV hate. If he had never done the wedding crashers type stuff, he'd be just fine. They need more scenes like after he came upon the guy who got beat up. That was right in his wheelhouse.
I'm on board with saying VV has been horrible, but I will agree that scene wasn't bad.
When I watch VV I feel like I am watching a carboard cutout of VV with just the lips moving....and the tear.

I just haven't fully bought into him and am not hooked on the show but very interested to follow through with the whole ride.

 
All VV talk. His bad scenes / lines are really bad. I do think a part of it is because of all his previous roles. I like his movies and find his schtick funny so want to like him in this.

I wish they would have had him do some really messed up stuff very early on, let us see it. Then perhaps it would help him not be the Weddding Crashers guy.

 

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