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Trump Approval Increasing, Support for Impeachment falling (1 Viewer)

Less than half of US troops support Trump: poll

President Trump frequently boasts about his love for the US military — but the feeling is not universally mutual, according to a new Military Times poll.

The survey, conducted from Oct. 23 to Dec. 2 and released this week, showed that 50 percent of troops said they had an unfavorable view of the president compared to 42 percent who had favorable views,  and revealed a continued decline in his approval rating among the military since he was elected in 2016.

trump*~ destroying another republican stronghold, Military Support.  

*Impeached; ~see FFA threads

 
Less than half of US troops support Trump: poll

President Trump frequently boasts about his love for the US military — but the feeling is not universally mutual, according to a new Military Times poll.

The survey, conducted from Oct. 23 to Dec. 2 and released this week, showed that 50 percent of troops said they had an unfavorable view of the president compared to 42 percent who had favorable views,  and revealed a continued decline in his approval rating among the military since he was elected in 2016.

trump*~ destroying another republican stronghold, Military Support.  

*Impeached; ~see FFA threads


-The latest numbers still leave Trump with a higher approval rating than ex-President Barack Obama when he left office in January 2017 with a 36 percent approval rating compared to 52 percent who disapproved.

The numbers also show that Trump remains a bit more popular in the military community than among Americans as a whole.

 
-The latest numbers still leave Trump with a higher approval rating than ex-President Barack Obama when he left office in January 2017 with a 36 percent approval rating compared to 52 percent who disapproved.

The numbers also show that Trump remains a bit more popular in the military community than among Americans as a whole.
Of course, but under republican rule they should be much much higher.  Obama was never viewed as a Military favorite or depended on that base for votes.  That's been a major republican stronghold and base they could count on for years.  And it's dwindling.   

 
-The latest numbers still leave Trump with a higher approval rating than ex-President Barack Obama when he left office in January 2017 with a 36 percent approval rating compared to 52 percent who disapproved.

The numbers also show that Trump remains a bit more popular in the military community than among Americans as a whole.
Also, Trump has not technically been impeached yet since the House Democrats have not sent the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.

 
Of course, but under republican rule they should be much much higher.  Obama was never viewed as a Military favorite or depended on that base for votes.  That's been a major republican stronghold and base they could count on for years.  And it's dwindling.   
"Under Republican Rule" - what have the numbers been historically for Republicans?  I didn't see anything in the article.

 
Of course, but under republican rule they should be much much higher.  Obama was never viewed as a Military favorite or depended on that base for votes.  That's been a major republican stronghold and base they could count on for years.  And it's dwindling.   
So the numbers are better for Trump than Obama yet you wrote this.....

“trump*~ destroying another republican stronghold, Military Support.”  :lmao:

 
New Morning Consult poll Dec. 19-20: 52% of Americans approve of impeachment, 51% approve removing Trump from office. 42% oppose on both questions. 

 
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Of course, but under republican rule they should be much much higher.  Obama was never viewed as a Military favorite or depended on that base for votes.  That's been a major republican stronghold and base they could count on for years.  And it's dwindling.   
Obama was the most hated commander in chief this country has seen in the past 50 years. Not sure why anyone would try to use him to justify Trump's terrible numbers.

 
Obama was the most hated commander in chief this country has seen in the past 50 years. Not sure why anyone would try to use him to justify Trump's terrible numbers.
His support went from 46 to 42%
Those numbers are terrible for a Republican president, especially for one who happened to be president when American casualties have dropped to its lowest rate in 17 years.

Think about how devastating that is. Our military members are safer now than they've been since 9/11, and Trump can't even get his approval rating over 46% (let alone 50%), despite the fact that the military is overwhelming Republican.

 
Morning Consult isn’t the best polling option out there, but that poll is rough for the President.  Among moderates, only 16% have “a lot” of confidence in the presidency, and 21% of Republicans indicated they’d be more likely to vote for a candidate who voted to impeach Trump next election cycle. 
 

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/191284_crosstabs_POLITICO_PARTIALS_RVs_v1_JB.pdf

Edit: whoah. 41% of evangelicals would be more likely to vote for someone who votes to impeach Trump. 17% it wouldn’t change their feelings at all. 

 
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Those numbers are terrible for a Republican president, especially for one who happened to be president when American casualties have dropped to its lowest rate in 17 years.

Think about how devastating that is. Our military members are safer now than they've been since 9/11, and Trump can't even get his approval rating over 46% (let alone 50%), despite the fact that the military is overwhelming Republican.
We will see in November. 

 
I have trouble believing that military poll. I’d love to believe it but it feels wrong to me. Anecdotally speaking, some of the strongest Trump supporters I’ve run into are in the military. 

That being said, I have wondered how the military has reacted to certain recent events: not impeachment, but the betrayal of the Kurds, and the pardoning of war criminals. So maybe if support for Trump has eroded that has something to do with it. 

It still doesn’t feel right though. 

 
We will see in November. 
Probably.  
 

This Pelosi “hold the articles” silence is keeping everything in the public consciousness until the Senate gets back on January 6.  Otherwise we wouldn’t hear about it much at all for a couple weeks.  It seems to be building as Trump gets more and more anxious and keeps lashing out while the House is silent  

I don’t see any way polling gets to 60% support for removal, but if it did, that would force some hands.  It’ll be interesting to see it play out. 

 
I have trouble believing that military poll. I’d love to believe it but it feels wrong to me. Anecdotally speaking, some of the strongest Trump supporters I’ve run into are in the military. 

That being said, I have wondered how the military has reacted to certain recent events: not impeachment, but the betrayal of the Kurds, and the pardoning of war criminals. So maybe if support for Trump has eroded that has something to do with it. 

It still doesn’t feel right though. 
The Kurds and the Saudis.  The general public has forgotten already that Saudis executed a terrorist attack on a US military base recently, the military has not. And zero has been done in retaliation. 

 
Do we think any detectable increase in support stems from casual followers hearing that he was "successfully" impeached? If so, those same casuals will likely swing back the other way when his removal is "successfully" voted down in the Senate. Just throwing that out there because it might well be true. Again this place is not reflective of the vast majority of average public which sways with outcomes rather than the daily minutiae. 

 
Do we think any detectable increase in support stems from casual followers hearing that he was "successfully" impeached? If so, those same casuals will likely swing back the other way when his removal is "successfully" voted down in the Senate. Just throwing that out there because it might well be true. Again this place is not reflective of the vast majority of average public which sways with outcomes rather than the daily minutiae. 
Wait. You think there are people out there who think that Trump has already been removed from office? And you think that some of those people said that they "support impeachment", but would somehow oppose impeachment once they realized that Trump was still in office??

 
Umm, no. 

I'm saying the rise in support for this impeachment and removal could be coming from people waking up to hear that the vote to impeach passed. People like being on the "winning" side of things. And when the "winning" side in the Senate votes down removal, those same people will go right back to being on the opposition side. It's not some wild idea. It's human nature.

 
Umm, no. 

I'm saying the rise in support for this impeachment and removal could be coming from people waking up to hear that the vote to impeach passed. People like being on the "winning" side of things. And when the "winning" side in the Senate votes down removal, those same people will go right back to being on the opposition side. It's not some wild idea. It's human nature.
It’s possible. I often wonder about this myself. We’ll know a lot more after the trial, especially given a space of 2-3 months. 

 
Probably.  
 

This Pelosi “hold the articles” silence is keeping everything in the public consciousness until the Senate gets back on January 6.  Otherwise we wouldn’t hear about it much at all for a couple weeks.  It seems to be building as Trump gets more and more anxious and keeps lashing out while the House is silent  

I don’t see any way polling gets to 60% support for removal, but if it did, that would force some hands.  It’ll be interesting to see it play out. 
Pelosi can slow play it now since everyone is gone for the holidays. Meanwhile Trump can continue to tweet about wanting witnesses and a trial. 

 
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The NBC/WSJ poll, also just released, tells a little different story: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/house/475195-poll-voters-deeply-divided-on-impeachment-ahead-of-house-vote%3famp

1. 48% in favor, 48 against% 

2. 50% of independents in favor, which is a tick upward, and a 9 point differential: terrible for Trump. 

3. 70% of the public wants witnesses at the Senate trial, including 64% of Republicans. 

Again it’s hard to read this stuff. We just don’t know. Personally I think there’s a sizable number of people opposed to impeachment at this point because they figure the Senate is just going to acquit him anyhow so why go through all of this? But NOBODY KNOWS. 
Send the articles to senate.  Let Mitch and Lindsey run their clown show for all America to see.  The base won’t care.  But maybe it will move some independents. 

 
ABC just now figuring out this whole thing was a Democrat game that’s going to fail. Pretty fascinating stuff-

During the “Powerhouse Roundtable” portion of Sunday’s This Week on ABC, some on the panel of left-wing journalists shared concerns about Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) tactic of refusing to hand over the Articles of Impeachment against President Trump to the Senate. On top of that, there were worries about the public’s minimal interest in the proceedings.

Speaking on how he saw the Senate trial being conducted, ABC senior national correspondent Terry Moran declared: “Mitch McConnell calls the shots. At the end of the day, the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments. He’s in control of the Senate. I think he will, because he is an institutionalist so some degree, he'll try to work with Democrats. But at the end of the day, the rules of this trial will be laid down by Mitch McConnell.”

Moran also seemed confounded by Pelosi’s plan to not deliver the Articles of Impeachment until after the New Year:

I cannot figure out what the strategy Nancy Pelosi has. The Constitution says the House has the power, the sole power to bring an impeachment. The Senate has the sole power the try an impeachment. I don't get what her leverage is here, and at the end of the day, the Democrats are going to come up short because they don't have the votes in the Senate and that's what controls the process.

Turning to Washington Post columnist Karen Tumulty, fill-in host Martha Raddatz decided to read from Tumulty hyperbolic column as if it was insightful. “If things play out as they usually do in the Trump era, all of this will soon be subsumed in the next thermonuclear burst of chaos generated by a president who cannot be chastened or shamed,” she quoted. “Once again, the House has made a notch in history. What's different this time, however, is that no one really believes anything will change as a result.”

A short time later, Moran was asked about how Trump’s impeachment was different from President Clinton’s. His first point was the difference in public interest in the process, citing an ABC poll finding “62 percent of Americans say they are following these developments closely.” He compared it to the 82 percent for Clinton’s.

“Two-fifths of the country can't be bothered and part of that is exhaustion with the constant drumbeat of outrage and bitterness and rancor,” he lamented.

On top of trying to convince the Senate to remove President Trump from office, Moran argued that Democrats also needed to work on getting the public “interested much less actually behind the process, we are split on that.” Because, so far, “it really feels like a nothingburger to some extent.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2019/12/22/abc-panel-frets-pelosis-impeach-delay-lack-public-interest

 
Finally read through the Ipsos poll from a few days ago that people have been touting as evidence of the country moving to Trump's side because it said only 46% of respondents supported impeachment.

It's an interesting poll in that regard, and I'm not really sure how people came to that conclusion (the question was: which of these comes closest to your opinion: President Trump should be impeached/President Trump should not be impeached, and that question can cover a whole range of reasons why.)  But one takeaway is this:

Based on the evidence available in the public domain, 53% of respondents agree with the following statement:

"President Trump is guilty of abusing the office of the president."

51% agree with: "President Trump is guilty of obstructing Congress."

That's an insanely high number before the Senate even gets the charges.  

 
A short time later, Moran was asked about how Trump’s impeachment was different from President Clinton’s. His first point was the difference in public interest in the process, citing an ABC poll finding “62 percent of Americans say they are following these developments closely.” He compared it to the 82 percent for Clinton’s.

“Two-fifths of the country can't be bothered and part of that is exhaustion with the constant drumbeat of outrage and bitterness and rancor,” he lamented.
I don't think it's much of a surprise that the President getting a BJ by an intern in the oval office draws more public interest than the President extorting a foreign government for dirt on his political opponent. I don't think you can draw any conclusion except one is more salacious than the other.

 

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