that's all the argument is about...allow the vote. He won't even allow the voteSure....vote on it all day. Those bills will stop zero attacks but get after it.
that's all the argument is about...allow the vote. He won't even allow the voteSure....vote on it all day. Those bills will stop zero attacks but get after it.
Democrats aren’t serious about this though and never have been. Why didn’t they do anything about it during the Obama years when they had a majority in the House and Senate for 2 years?I think you are looking for something to point fingers over that doesn’t do squat if it does get passed. I’m fine with banning assault rifles but honestly that won’t stop these either. I think @Ramblin Wreck makes a good point that if Dems are serious about it come together and make some kind of deal that gives both sides something they want. It’s DC and politicians are worthless, if something is going to get done both sides need a way to save face. We can sit here on our moral high horse all day yelling what should happen but he makes a good point on what it will probably take.
Which of these attacks would be stopped by these cupcake bills? The extra 7 days wait going to cause a wacko to lose interest?that's all the argument is about...allow the vote. He won't even allow the vote
again, i'm not debating you on that. the conversation was about give and take and having votes and someone pointed out that mitch won't even allow them to come to the floor.Which of these attacks would be stopped by these cupcake bills? The extra 7 days wait going to cause a wacko to lose interest?
What has Mitch asked for in return? How is increasing a background check from 3 to 10 some kind of contentious thing that can’t possibly happen?I think you are looking for something to point fingers over that doesn’t do squat if it does get passed. I’m fine with banning assault rifles but honestly that won’t stop these either. I think @Ramblin Wreck makes a good point that if Dems are serious about it come together and make some kind of deal that gives both sides something they want. It’s DC and politicians are worthless, if something is going to get done both sides need a way to save face. We can sit here on our moral high horse all day yelling what should happen but he makes a good point on what it will probably take.
Sure, go ahead with them and blame Mitch all you want but after reading the bills you posted if you think they are going to save a single life or keep this conversation from happening many more times I think you are riled up over something that won’t move the needle.What has Mitch asked for in return? How is increasing a background check from 3 to 10 some kind of contentious thing that can’t possibly happen?
If they won’t give in on that you think they are going to somehow agree on anything substantial.
You can blame Dems for trying to take guns away (Trump does his at his pep rallies) or ban them or whatever but you at the same time can’t say they are the reason that Mitch won’t even allow bills that were passed to be voted on (Trump indicated he would veto these by the way).
It always seems that when it comes to guns and to the enivronment repubs tend to believe in absolutism. If the bill isn't absolutely perfect there is no point in doing anything.Sure, go ahead with them and blame Mitch all you want but after reading the bills you posted if you think they are going to save a single life or keep this conversation from happening many more times I think you are riled up over something that won’t move the needle.
So you haven't even read the killer's own words before forming your opinion on what his influencers were? No offense but your option isn't holding much weight.#MAGA
Yes, I’ll blame Mitch and the WH for not passing these bills. Yes they do seem like the weakest of steps to take.Sure, go ahead with them and blame Mitch all you want but after reading the bills you posted if you think they are going to save a single life or keep this conversation from happening many more times I think you are riled up over something that won’t move the needle.
I guess you haven't followed our President over the past couple years and the garbage that many of his followers are lapping up?So you haven't even read the killer's own words before forming your opinion on what his influencers were? No offense but your option isn't holding much weight.
Dems would rather score political points and ignore things like border security just so they can say Trump didn’t deliver on “the wall”. It’s childish on both sides and probably won’t change. That would be a perfect compromise for the better of the country but Dems would rather claim they stopped the wall......that is being built anyway.Yes, I’ll blame Mitch and the WH for not passing these bills. Yes they do seem like the weakest of steps to take.
If Mitch and WH won’t agree on these seemingly trivial things how again is this a problem for Democrats in Congress?
Yes, have you looked into the details of this specific incident? Because you have a bunch of things wrong about it.I guess you haven't followed our President over the past couple years and the garbage that many of his followers are lapping up?
So much that they offered more for border security than Trump is taking from other budgets? In a compromise for DACA and keeping the government open? And Trump said no...and later got much less.Dems would rather score political points and ignore things like border security just so they can say Trump didn’t deliver on “the wall”. It’s childish on both sides and probably won’t change. That would be a perfect compromise for the better of the country but Dems would rather claim they stopped the wall......that is being built anyway.
Yes, and I already know what you're going to say...Yes, have you looked into the details of this specific incident? Because you have a bunch of things wrong about it.
Yep, tribal politics have taken over. Here and in DC. Neither side gives a crap about the other one and the rest of us pay for it. But people will continue to get shot up and those of us fortunate enough not to will repeat the same old tired arguments over and over. And no one ever changes their opinion. Yay tribal politicsI think you are looking for something to point fingers over that doesn’t do squat if it does get passed. I’m fine with banning assault rifles but honestly that won’t stop these either. I think @Ramblin Wreck makes a good point that if Dems are serious about it come together and make some kind of deal that gives both sides something they want. It’s DC and politicians are worthless, if something is going to get done both sides need a way to save face. We can sit here on our moral high horse all day yelling what should happen but he makes a good point on what it will probably take.
Why don’t we remove any side issues to focus on this one (although I would say that the Dems offering 25 Bil for the wall in exchange for DACA is an example of the compromise you are asking for).Dems would rather score political points and ignore things like border security just so they can say Trump didn’t deliver on “the wall”. It’s childish on both sides and probably won’t change. That would be a perfect compromise for the better of the country but Dems would rather claim they stopped the wall......that is being built anyway.
also Bernies reaction to that guy?
"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."
The bolded should make this even easier, they can give up a fraction of the previous amount in a compromise but still don’t? What’s to lose....a win/win less guns on the street and safer borders. Oh but Trump didn’t deliver on the wall....until he did without them anyway.Why don’t we remove any side issues to focus on this one (although I would say that the Dems offering 25 Bil for the wall in exchange for DACA is an example of the compromise you are asking for).
You think the Dems are the problem with gun control laws being passed?
The House passed the lamest of things that are somehow not already in place passed and the WH and Mitch won’t vote.
How is this a Congress problem and not a Mitch / WH problem?
This is so true. I don’t know what it will take. I’d say leadership, but I’m not even sure that would make a difference. It is so sad.Yep, tribal politics have taken over. Here and in DC. Neither side gives a crap about the other one and the rest of us pay for it. But people will continue to get shot up and those of us fortunate enough not to will repeat the same old tired arguments over and over. And no one ever changes their opinion. Yay tribal politics
I didn't say it. The shooter said it. What's his motivation for being dishonest? What's more likely a) this guy has had long deep rooted race issues or b) Trumps tweets turned this guy into a Nazi?Yes, and I already know what you're going to say...
You're going to mention where the shooter says something like “My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,”
Right?
Bunch of BS.
Do you think Trump has done anything to combat this problem? Has he been neutral? Or would you say that his “leadership” has emboldened these lunatics?I didn't say it. The shooter said it. What's his motivation for being dishonest? What's more likely a) this guy has had long deep rooted race issues or b) Trumps tweets turned this guy into a Nazi?
The wall stuff Dems did negotiate a deal that I thought gave Trump a big win. How much they played politics there on is definitely a debate.The bolded should make this even easier, they can give up a fraction of the previous amount in a compromise but still don’t? What’s to lose....a win/win less guns on the street and safer borders. Oh but Trump didn’t deliver on the wall....until he did without them anyway.
I didn’t say the Dems are the sole problem but they definitely aren’t the solution. It’s all the same BS in DC and it’s a shame because there are deals that make sense.
I think we are wasting time, your “solution” isn’t saving any lives and if you think anything happens without compromise you are more optimistic than I am. Good luck.The wall stuff Dems did negotiate a deal that I thought gave Trump a big win. How much they played politics there on is definitely a debate.
But getting gun laws passed is all on the Republicans.
I thought they wore this like a badge of honor or something. They brag about their NRA rating. Trump uses it in pep rallies. It’s their thing.
It’s crazy that this is being lumped in as some example of why DC doesn’t work. This is a one sided problem.
Bills get passed and votes on all the time without some quid pro quo. And wven politicizing it to ask for some wall compromise would be disgusting...so i hope the GOP pulls that asking for something and it gets exposedI think we are wasting time, your “solution” isn’t saving any lives and if you think anything happens without compromise you are more optimistic than I am. Good luck.
The whole point I am making is what compromise do you think Republicans are giving on this issue?I think we are wasting time, your “solution” isn’t saving any lives and if you think anything happens without compromise you are more optimistic than I am. Good luck.
GoBirds said:I don't know what this means but it doesn't feel excellent.......I'll ask again nicely please move along. Thanks.
Honestly I would want it to be something more aggressive banning some of these weapons but I don’t know that it makes a difference really. Even if they can’t get these guns legally what stops them when so many are out there. Still I think it’s at the point more aggressive moves need to be made as who really needs a machine gun?The whole point I am making is what compromise do you think Republicans are giving on this issue?
Dems in Congress would gladly pass any of these things you mentioned.Honestly I would want it to be something more aggressive banning some of these weapons but I don’t know that it makes a difference really. Even if they can’t get these guns legally what stops them when so many are out there. Still I think it’s at the point more aggressive moves need to be made as who really needs a machine gun?
Unfortunately they don’t compromise or ever look to work together. So round and round we go.Dems in Congress would gladly pass any of these things you mentioned.
Birds - I don’t understand. I’m not trying to be a #### here.Unfortunately they don’t compromise or ever look to work together. So round and round we go.
They go on like a month vacation.The NRA runs the GOP in Washington. You can argue gun law reform wouldn’t make a difference, but the reason it isn’t being tried (which is bananas) is because of the NRA.
“Going to be a tough week Mitch, hang in there, it will pass.”
The FBI needs to do their jib and not worry about that bs.This seems bad.
Former FBI agent: “There’s some reluctance among agents to bring forth an investigation that targets what the president perceives as his base. It’s a no-win situation for the FBI agent or supervisor.”
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-faces-skepticism-over-its-anti-domestic-terror-efforts/2019/08/04/c9c928bc-b6e0-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html?outputType=amp#click=https://t.co/p5oX0LJbKF
If you truly think this is all on one side and “your side” is right here we aren’t finding a common ground and need to let this one go.Birds - I don’t understand. I’m not trying to be a #### here.
The republicans won’t pass a simple 10 day check because it is too extreme. Where is the compromise on this issue?
If you want one of the steps to address this to be federal laws then this is one sides problem. Republicans aren’t going to pass anything.If you truly think this is all on one side and “your side” is right here we aren’t finding a common ground and need to let this one go.
If you typed the bolded with a straight face I’d be amazed. Sure do everything you can to stand in the way of border security and obstruct in every way possible but it’s those bad republicans that don’t compromise. You are fighting an empty battle over a bill that is something for liberals to talk about like they did something with absolutely no substance......let’s get some sleep.If you want one of the steps to address this to be federal laws then this is one sides problem. Republicans aren’t going to pass anything.
Maybe they have proposed all kinds of things and I just haven’t heard about them.
I’m on the west coast, it’s only 8:15If you typed the bolded with a straight face I’d be amazed. Sure do everything you can to stand in the way of border security and obstruct in every way possible but it’s those bad republicans that don’t compromise. You are fighting an empty battle over a bill that is something for liberals to talk about like they did something with absolutely no substance......let’s get some sleep.
There are a ton of bills sitting that McConnell wont address. This has been brought up before...and every time the Trump supporters in this thread ignore it.If you typed the bolded with a straight face I’d be amazed. Sure do everything you can to stand in the way of border security and obstruct in every way possible but it’s those bad republicans that don’t compromise. You are fighting an empty battle over a bill that is something for liberals to talk about like they did something with absolutely no substance......let’s get some sleep.
You have a 3 hour lead on me, I give. It’s just frustrating all around that deals that make sense can’t be made.I’m on the west coast, it’s only 8:15
Just talking about Congress and gun laws. There is no compromise I’m aware - ex: weak ### 10 day background check is too extreme to be passed.
I only jumped in here because of a comment about DC not getting anything done in this regard. This seems to be wholly on Mitch and the WH.
He’s unbelievableAlso please ask Sho to stop chasing me around.....see if you can keep him busy.
I know...heaven forbid people get challenged on the false things they post. Though I will leave him alone as he doesn't seem apt to honestly discuss anything.He’s unbelievable
But if you want me to not respond to you...don't talk about me. Ok?Do you think JD is one of his aliases?
He’ll have to kick Stephen Miller & the Freedom Caucus to the curb to do it.I have a feeling that Donald is going to do something big about the gun issue. Just a hunch, just a feeling.
The President should hold a level of class and not rile people up to commit violence.