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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (23 Viewers)

Since there's so much interest in Hunter Biden in here, this thread  is a pretty good look at the coverage from

CNN, NPR, Politico, CBS, PBS, NYTimes (of course), MSNBC, WP, Business Insider, & USA Today.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
Since there's so much interest in Hunter Biden in here, this thread  is a pretty good look at the coverage from

CNN, NPR, Politico, CBS, PBS, NYTimes (of course), MSNBC, WP, Business Insider, & USA Today.
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Dude. Hunter Biden is an admitted drug addict and has made really awful decisions in his life that no one could justify if they were being intellectually honest. He's also 50 years old so it's not like we can blame Joe for his bad decisions. If I decided to start smoking crack right now and screwing up my life I would really hope that no one blamed my parents. 

The point is, who cares? Yea the next POTUS has a son who is screwed up and clearly has personal issues that he seems to now be dealing with by getting himself clean. And he may be facing some federal troubles with tax evasion and whatnot. 

Not sure why this has anything to do with anything concerning Joe Biden, our president-elect. Unless Joe puts his son in the White House, like the current president has with his family and friends, none of this matters. 

 
General Malaise said:
No, I promise.  I did NOT vote for Hunter Biden.  Wasn't even an option on the ballots where I live. 
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Are you sure you didn’t write him in?  Be honest now.
 

 In fact I’m not so sure that Hunter Biden did not win the election, i have proof and will be holding a hearing in the Home Depot parking lot near my hone right after I get my hair oiled up.

There is too much smoke to ignore. Lawsuits  are coming and I will take it to the SCOTUS, this is the big one!!!  

 
TheMagus said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
Since there's so much interest in Hunter Biden in here, this thread  is a pretty good look at the coverage from

CNN, NPR, Politico, CBS, PBS, NYTimes (of course), MSNBC, WP, Business Insider, & USA Today.
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Dude. Hunter Biden is an admitted drug addict and has made really awful decisions in his life that no one could justify if they were being intellectually honest. He's also 50 years old so it's not like we can blame Joe for his bad decisions. If I decided to start smoking crack right now and screwing up my life I would really hope that no one blamed my parents. 

The point is, who cares? Yea the next POTUS has a son who is screwed up and clearly has personal issues that he seems to now be dealing with by getting himself clean. And he may be facing some federal troubles with tax evasion and whatnot. 

Not sure why this has anything to do with anything concerning Joe Biden, our president-elect. Unless Joe puts his son in the White House, like the current president has with his family and friends, none of this matters. 
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:confused:  Did you read the thread? 

 
Good morning, I feel the need, amazingly enough to defend Donald Trump for a moment. 

His crusade to overturn the election seems absurd to me, awful, doomed to fail. But what bothers me is the rhetoric coming from so many pundits that Trump is somehow assaulting our democracy, that he is threatening our electoral system, that he and his supporters don’t believe in America, etc, etc. On MSNBC yesterday I heard a former FBI guy speculate that Trump’s fight will lead to violence in the streets when he and his supporters realize the courts will rule against him. 

Lets be clear: President Trump is seeking legal means to change the results of the election. That’s all he is doing. He’s not plotting a military coup. He’s not telling his supporters to riot in the streets and burn things down or engage in looting. He has stated, publicly, that if the courts ultimately rule against him he will abide by their ruling and move out of the White House, even though he will never personally accept the result. I think he is coming off as a crybaby and a whiner but it’s his right to do so. He is not behaving unlawfully. IMO, the criticism against him on this matter is way overblown and over the top. 

 
timschochet said:
Good morning, I feel the need, amazingly enough to defend Donald Trump for a moment. 

His crusade to overturn the election seems absurd to me, awful, doomed to fail. But what bothers me is the rhetoric coming from so many pundits that Trump is somehow assaulting our democracy, that he is threatening our electoral system, that he and his supporters don’t believe in America, etc, etc. On MSNBC yesterday I heard a former FBI guy speculate that Trump’s fight will lead to violence in the streets when he and his supporters realize the courts will rule against him. 

Lets be clear: President Trump is seeking legal means to change the results of the election. That’s all he is doing. He’s not plotting a military coup. He’s not telling his supporters to riot in the streets and burn things down or engage in looting. He has stated, publicly, that if the courts ultimately rule against him he will abide by their ruling and move out of the White House, even though he will never personally accept the result. I think he is coming off as a crybaby and a whiner but it’s his right to do so. He is not behaving unlawfully. IMO, the criticism against him on this matter is way overblown and over the top. 
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Trying to throw out the votes of 8 million Americans and replace them with electors selected by his cronies is a blatant assault on our democracy. 

He's just hoping that he can count on the Supreme Court to fall into that cronyism and support his bid to turn America into a dictatorship. Fortunately, that seems exceedingly unlikely.

 
timschochet said:
Good morning, I feel the need, amazingly enough to defend Donald Trump for a moment. 

His crusade to overturn the election seems absurd to me, awful, doomed to fail. But what bothers me is the rhetoric coming from so many pundits that Trump is somehow assaulting our democracy, that he is threatening our electoral system, that he and his supporters don’t believe in America, etc, etc. On MSNBC yesterday I heard a former FBI guy speculate that Trump’s fight will lead to violence in the streets when he and his supporters realize the courts will rule against him. 

Lets be clear: President Trump is seeking legal means to change the results of the election. That’s all he is doing. He’s not plotting a military coup. He’s not telling his supporters to riot in the streets and burn things down or engage in looting. He has stated, publicly, that if the courts ultimately rule against him he will abide by their ruling and move out of the White House, even though he will never personally accept the result. I think he is coming off as a crybaby and a whiner but it’s his right to do so. He is not behaving unlawfully. IMO, the criticism against him on this matter is way overblown and over the top. 
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Meanwhile, the infection rate and death tolls due to Covid are spiking, Americans who can't work or lost their jobs are out of money and many can't pay for housing and in a lot of states, kids can't physically go to school.  But yeah, sure Tim, let us make sure this election result is THE top priority and if we can go ahead and make our citizens fearful of safety and security of our election process, even better. 

Give me a break. 

 
Sneegor said:
The rioting in the streets is the go to for the left and the civil war will start when the courts overturn the election.
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Noonan, do you really know what civil war is?  Or are you just repeating talking points from other sources.  Honest question.  Because Civil War isn't just declared by angry citizens.  You know that, right?  Have you studied Civil Wars at all?  Did you study ours?  

 
General Malaise said:
Meanwhile, the infection rate and death tolls due to Covid are spiking, Americans who can't work or lost their jobs are out of money and many can't pay for housing and in a lot of states, kids can't physically go to school.  But yeah, sure Tim, let us make sure this election result is THE top priority and if we can go ahead and make our citizens fearful of safety and security of our election process, even better. 

Give me a break. 
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Oh I agree. What he’s doing is absolutely terrible. And the fact that it’s going on during this COVID disaster makes it even worse. 
But he’s not threatening our democracy. He’s working through legal means. That’s all I’m saying. 

 
timschochet said:
Oh I agree. What he’s doing is absolutely terrible. And the fact that it’s going on during this COVID disaster makes it even worse. 
But he’s not threatening our democracy. He’s working through legal means. That’s all I’m saying. 
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But he's not challenging anything specific with election fraud. He's just saying it can't be trusted so keep me in power.  Come on man.

 
General Malaise said:
Meanwhile, the infection rate and death tolls due to Covid are spiking, Americans who can't work or lost their jobs are out of money and many can't pay for housing and in a lot of states, kids can't physically go to school.  But yeah, sure Tim, let us make sure this election result is THE top priority and if we can go ahead and make our citizens fearful of safety and security of our election process, even better. 

Give me a break. 
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We decided, for the most part, no Christmas presents this year.  Our kids will get some clothes, but that's it.   Instead we took that money and bought food, requested by the local food pantry, at Costco. As we were loading up an older lady walking by asked us if what we bought was for a food bank. I guess she noticed everything was  non-perishable and canned.   We told her it was and she asked where we were bringing it because "my brother and I have been out of work for months now and can't afford to eat regularly".  :(   I offered some of what we bought but she declined.

Then we have this:   14 million American households are at risk of eviction as protections expire

It sickens me that millions of our fellow Americans are in this situation and instead of doing something about it, the POTUS is filing one frivolous lawsuit after another trying to undermine the very foundation of the country.  He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 

If you have some spare money, I beg you to donate to your local food bank.  Men, women and children are hungry.

 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
Since there's so much interest in Hunter Biden in here, this thread  is a pretty good look at the coverage from

CNN, NPR, Politico, CBS, PBS, NYTimes (of course), MSNBC, WP, Business Insider, & USA Today.
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Ill give up Hunter Biden if you give up Ivanka Trump.

Heck, ill give up Joe Biden if you give up President Trump.

That work for you?  So we can get past this whataboutism?

 
timschochet said:
Good morning, I feel the need, amazingly enough to defend Donald Trump for a moment. 

His crusade to overturn the election seems absurd to me, awful, doomed to fail. But what bothers me is the rhetoric coming from so many pundits that Trump is somehow assaulting our democracy, that he is threatening our electoral system, that he and his supporters don’t believe in America, etc, etc. On MSNBC yesterday I heard a former FBI guy speculate that Trump’s fight will lead to violence in the streets when he and his supporters realize the courts will rule against him. 

Lets be clear: President Trump is seeking legal means to change the results of the election. That’s all he is doing. He’s not plotting a military coup. He’s not telling his supporters to riot in the streets and burn things down or engage in looting. He has stated, publicly, that if the courts ultimately rule against him he will abide by their ruling and move out of the White House, even though he will never personally accept the result. I think he is coming off as a crybaby and a whiner but it’s his right to do so. He is not behaving unlawfully. IMO, the criticism against him on this matter is way overblown and over the top. 
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Gotta disagree here.  He has created a propaganda machine for which the intent is to circumvent the US democratic process.  To be clear, President Trump has not alleged fraud, he has declared fraud.  He also has declared the election was stolen from him.  To steal from @Yankee23Fan, words mean things.

 
2Squirrels1Nut said:
We decided, for the most part, no Christmas presents this year.  Our kids will get some clothes, but that's it.   Instead we took that money and bought food, requested by the local food pantry, at Costco. As we were loading up an older lady walking by asked us if what we bought was for a food bank. I guess she noticed everything was  non-perishable and canned.   We told her it was and she asked where we were bringing it because "my brother and I have been out of work for months now and can't afford to eat regularly".  :(   I offered some of what we bought but she declined.

Then we have this:   14 million American households are at risk of eviction as protections expire

It sickens me that millions of our fellow Americans are in this situation and instead of doing something about it, the POTUS is filing one frivolous lawsuit after another trying to undermine the very foundation of the country.  He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 

If you have some spare money, I beg you to donate to your local food bank.  Men, women and children are hungry.
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All kidding aside why do this to your kids? Maybe allocate the budget 75% towards charity 25%kids ? Can’t wrap my head around this 

 
HellToupee said:
2Squirrels1Nut said:
d, for the most part, no Christmas presents this year.  Our kids will get some clothes, but that's it.   Instead we took that money and bought food, requested by the local food pantry, at Costco. As we were loading up an older lady walking by asked us if what we bought was for a food bank. I guess she noticed everything was  non-perishable and canned.   We told her it was and she asked where we were bringing it because "my brother and I have been out of work for months now and can't afford to eat regularly".  :(   I offered some of what we bought but she declined.

Then we have this:   14 million American households are at risk of eviction as protections expire

It sickens me that millions of our fellow Americans are in this situation and instead of doing something about it, the POTUS is filing one frivolous lawsuit after another trying to undermine the very foundation of the country.  He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 

If you have some spare money, I beg you to donate to your local food bank.  Men, women and children are hungry.
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All kidding aside why do this to your kids? Maybe allocate the budget 75% towar
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Different is OK

 
HellToupee said:
All kidding aside why do this to your kids? Maybe allocate the budget 75% towards charity 25%kids ? Can’t wrap my head around this 
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Kidding about what? 

They have plenty of "stuff".  Plus they're teenagers and I've been teaching them to work for things they want, not need.  My 13yo bought a new iPhone after saving money raking leaves, shoveling snow and cutting grass around the neighborhood. 

They also are being taught a lesson that everyone is important and has value.  Life isn't a selfish journey. 

ETA

It isn't like Santa didn't bring them toys this year. 

 
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JAA said:
Gotta disagree here.  He has created a propaganda machine for which the intent is to circumvent the US democratic process.  To be clear, President Trump has not alleged fraud, he has declared fraud.  He also has declared the election was stolen from him.  To steal from @Yankee23Fan, words mean things.
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My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading. 

 
timschochet said:
My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading. 
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Pressuring governors and other elected officials to overturn their state's elections and give him the win is within the law? 

 
timschochet said:
JAA said:
Gotta disagree here.  He has created a propaganda machine for which the intent is to circumvent the US democratic process.  To be clear, President Trump has not alleged fraud, he has declared fraud.  He also has declared the election was stolen from him.  To steal from @Yankee23Fan, words mean things.
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My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading.
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So you don't think the president is using position to influence the population regarding the election?  You do not believe his behavior to be unethical?  I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ethics violation and subject to review.  Just that no one cares about ethics anymore it seems.

 
JAA said:
timschochet said:
JAA said:
Gotta disagree here.  He has created a propaganda machine for which the intent is to circumvent the US democratic process.  To be clear, President Trump has not alleged fraud, he has declared fraud.  He also has declared the election was stolen from him.  To steal from @Yankee23Fan, words mean things.
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My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading.
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So you don't think the president is using position to influence the population regarding the election?  You do not believe his behavior to be unethical?  I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ethics violation and subject to review.  Just that no one cares about ethics anymore it seems.
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Did a little research - lets start here:  https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=2cc35b492b1a52af5dcf9eb140d5bd30&mc=true&r=PART&n=pt5.3.2635#se5.3.2635_1705

Point being here I could write-up ethical violations day and night of President Trump.  I may even be right.  Unfortunately though - no one will care.

 
timschochet said:
My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading. 
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No offense to anyone personally, but a high percentage of what’s been posted in the PSF since it’s first day is over the top rhetoric 

imo

 
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JAA said:
JAA said:
timschochet said:
JAA said:
Gotta disagree here.  He has created a propaganda machine for which the intent is to circumvent the US democratic process.  To be clear, President Trump has not alleged fraud, he has declared fraud.  He also has declared the election was stolen from him.  To steal from @Yankee23Fan, words mean things.
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My point is that everything he is attempting  is within the law. As long as that’s the case, it seems unfair to me to accuse him of “circumventing the democratic process” or some of the other over the top rhetoric I’ve been reading.
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So you don't think the president is using position to influence the population regarding the election?  You do not believe his behavior to be unethical?  I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ethics violation and subject to review.  Just that no one cares about ethics anymore it seems.
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Did a little research - lets start here:  https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=2cc35b492b1a52af5dcf9eb140d5bd30&mc=true&r=PART&n=pt5.3.2635#se5.3.2635_1705

Point being here I could write-up ethical violations day and night of President Trump.  I may even be right.  Unfortunately though - no one will care.
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This wasnt hard:

(gg) The prohibition against participation in the appointment or promotion of relatives (5 U.S.C. 3110).
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Sneegor said:
This is rich coming from the guy who just posted questioning why humans would kill each other in the streets over an election when it happened in his own hometown recently.
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What happened in my hometown?  Civil War?  

And I'm sorry I outed you.  Didn't know what outing alias accounts was against the terms of service here.  Which is peculiar since according to this thread, section 0:

 

0. Alias accounts

Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.

So that I'm clear - It's against the terms of service to post with an alias account, but it's also a bannable offense to OUT an alias?  That seems odd.  Regardless, I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and to the extent you ever return home to Oregon, I hope the state is still standing after the intense civil war we have going on.

 
2Squirrels1Nut said:
Pressuring governors and other elected officials to overturn their state's elections and give him the win is within the law? 
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I don’t know the specifics but I think it depends. If he makes specific promises or threats that would be, in my understanding, an impeachable offense and against the law. If he calls them or invites them to the White House and tries to convince them, I think that’s permissible. 

 
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