Tush Push - Do the rules apply for this play or not? Doesn't seem like it (1 Viewer)

[Cowboysfan8]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

I was replying to the video and theme of this thread in general, not you specifically. Don’t be so insecure, Francis

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

I was replying to the video and theme of this thread in general, not you specifically. Don’t be so insecure, Francis

You quoted me and finished with you can decide who you are

 

[Dizzy]

You know what's stunning about all of this? The NFL has issued copyright infringement notices to everybody with the false start clips up on Twitter/X. This has nothing to do with Philly. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard and everybody is like, "This has never happened before." There's a collective WTF going on.

This play is done after the year. Philly is now barely throwing for over 100 yards a game and running this 10% of the time.

That's not football. It's one ****ty moving penalty. Get rid of it. It's not football.

Agree 100% and no doubt this is the last season you will see this play in the NFL.

Funny....it took a game vs the Chiefs for the outrage to boil over LOL.......of course!!!!

Andy Reid has influence and you can bet that a letter with video clips was sent to NYC complaining about the false starts. I expect an over-reaction from the ref's going forward calling false starts on almost every tush push.

I agree with you, this will be the last year of the tush push... but I don't think it will take until the end of the season. I think frustrations in the inconsistency of officiating it going forward will kill it by mid-season.

0% chance

Nothing is 0% chance. Let's say PHI blows a 1st & G with a false start... maybe it happens twice... I'm guessing they will just hand it to the RB next time.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

I was replying to the video and theme of this thread in general, not you specifically. Don’t be so insecure, Francis

You quoted me and finished with you can decide who you are

You posted a link. I opened the link you posted, read the tweet and replied.

Yes, if people think this is an Eagles issue, they can decide who they are.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

I was replying to the video and theme of this thread in general, not you specifically. Don’t be so insecure, Francis

You quoted me and finished with you can decide who you are

You posted a link. I opened the link you posted, read the tweet and replied.

Yes, if people think this is an Eagles issue, they can decide who they are.

So the eagles running the play and everyone leaving but the center is everyone else’s fault?

 

[unckeyherb]

You know what's stunning about all of this? The NFL has issued copyright infringement notices to everybody with the false start clips up on Twitter/X. This has nothing to do with Philly. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard and everybody is like, "This has never happened before." There's a collective WTF going on.

This play is done after the year. Philly is now barely throwing for over 100 yards a game and running this 10% of the time.

That's not football. It's one ****ty moving penalty. Get rid of it. It's not football.

Agree 100% and no doubt this is the last season you will see this play in the NFL.

Funny....it took a game vs the Chiefs for the outrage to boil over LOL.......of course!!!!

Andy Reid has influence and you can bet that a letter with video clips was sent to NYC complaining about the false starts. I expect an over-reaction from the ref's going forward calling false starts on almost every tush push.

I agree with you, this will be the last year of the tush push... but I don't think it will take until the end of the season. I think frustrations in the inconsistency of officiating it going forward will kill it by mid-season.

0% chance

Nothing is 0% chance. Let's say PHI blows a 1st & G with a false start... maybe it happens twice... I'm guessing they will just hand it to the RB next time.

GOtcha, I thought you were saying that the league may institute a ban midseason.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lol

And no mention of all the KC DL offsides. Probably just an oversight……

Weirdos want this play to be about the Eagles. Normal people are wondering how the officials missed so many infractions on one play. You can decide who you are.

I wrote about the defense right above the post you quoted.
You don’t have to apologize. But we now know who the weirdo is. Thanks!

I was replying to the video and theme of this thread in general, not you specifically. Don’t be so insecure, Francis

You quoted me and finished with you can decide who you are

You posted a link. I opened the link you posted, read the tweet and replied.

Yes, if people think this is an Eagles issue, they can decide who they are.

So the eagles running the play and everyone leaving but the center is everyone else’s fault?

The play highlights how bad the officials are more than anything else.

How many penalties are missed in the games you watch each weekend? Who’s at fault for missed calls? Jesus man

 

[Snotbubbles]

You know what's stunning about all of this? The NFL has issued copyright infringement notices to everybody with the false start clips up on Twitter/X. This has nothing to do with Philly. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard and everybody is like, "This has never happened before." There's a collective WTF going on.

This play is done after the year. Philly is now barely throwing for over 100 yards a game and running this 10% of the time.

That's not football. It's one ****ty moving penalty. Get rid of it. It's not football.

Agree 100% and no doubt this is the last season you will see this play in the NFL.

Funny....it took a game vs the Chiefs for the outrage to boil over LOL.......of course!!!!

Andy Reid has influence and you can bet that a letter with video clips was sent to NYC complaining about the false starts. I expect an over-reaction from the ref's going forward calling false starts on almost every tush push.

I agree with you, this will be the last year of the tush push... but I don't think it will take until the end of the season. I think frustrations in the inconsistency of officiating it going forward will kill it by mid-season.

0% chance

Nothing is 0% chance. Let's say PHI blows a 1st & G with a false start... maybe it happens twice... I'm guessing they will just hand it to the RB next time.

The false start stuff has already happened multiple times over the years.

In fact, it happened in the Divisional Round against the Rams, Eagles had 4th and 1 on LAR 1 yard line and got called for a false start. Eagles had to kick a FG to go up 19-15.

 

[need2know]

You know what's stunning about all of this? The NFL has issued copyright infringement notices to everybody with the false start clips up on Twitter/X. This has nothing to do with Philly. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard and everybody is like, "This has never happened before." There's a collective WTF going on.

This play is done after the year. Philly is now barely throwing for over 100 yards a game and running this 10% of the time.

That's not football. It's one ****ty moving penalty. Get rid of it. It's not football.

Agree 100% and no doubt this is the last season you will see this play in the NFL.

Funny....it took a game vs the Chiefs for the outrage to boil over LOL.......of course!!!!

Andy Reid has influence and you can bet that a letter with video clips was sent to NYC complaining about the false starts. I expect an over-reaction from the ref's going forward calling false starts on almost every tush push.

I agree with you, this will be the last year of the tush push... but I don't think it will take until the end of the season. I think frustrations in the inconsistency of officiating it going forward will kill it by mid-season.

0% chance

Nothing is 0% chance. Let's say PHI blows a 1st & G with a false start... maybe it happens twice... I'm guessing they will just hand it to the RB next time.

The false start stuff has already happened multiple times over the years.

In fact, it happened in the Divisional Round against the Rams, Eagles had 4th and 1 on LAR 1 yard line and got called for a false start. Eagles had to kick a FG to go up 19-15.

dont add any facts to this debate bro.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

During this 30 second spot there was a specific reference (via a catchy song/tune) to this exact "tush-push" play. The NFL seems okay with the promotion of the play via this commercial or they would not have approved it's use...nationally.

The NFL is using it because they aren't stupid. It's talked about by everyone. They are capitalizing on the marketing aspect. Has nothing to do with them condoning or promoting the actual play necessarily. It's a target of opportunity.

This. Why yall still love this league I have no idea. I will never buy anything made by NFL again.

They have butchered the game to the point I don’t even recognize it anymore.

 

[Snotbubbles]

You know what's stunning about all of this? The NFL has issued copyright infringement notices to everybody with the false start clips up on Twitter/X. This has nothing to do with Philly. It's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard and everybody is like, "This has never happened before." There's a collective WTF going on.

This play is done after the year. Philly is now barely throwing for over 100 yards a game and running this 10% of the time.

That's not football. It's one ****ty moving penalty. Get rid of it. It's not football.

Agree 100% and no doubt this is the last season you will see this play in the NFL.

Funny....it took a game vs the Chiefs for the outrage to boil over LOL.......of course!!!!

Andy Reid has influence and you can bet that a letter with video clips was sent to NYC complaining about the false starts. I expect an over-reaction from the ref's going forward calling false starts on almost every tush push.

I agree with you, this will be the last year of the tush push... but I don't think it will take until the end of the season. I think frustrations in the inconsistency of officiating it going forward will kill it by mid-season.

0% chance

Nothing is 0% chance. Let's say PHI blows a 1st & G with a false start... maybe it happens twice... I'm guessing they will just hand it to the RB next time.

The false start stuff has already happened multiple times over the years.

In fact, it happened in the Divisional Round against the Rams, Eagles had 4th and 1 on LAR 1 yard line and got called for a false start. Eagles had to kick a FG to go up 19-15.

dont add any facts to this debate bro.

The narrative that the Eagles don't get called for false starts on the tush push isn't accurate. Missed calls happen every game, that isn't an event exclusive to the tush push.

 

[Snotbubbles]

During this 30 second spot there was a specific reference (via a catchy song/tune) to this exact "tush-push" play. The NFL seems okay with the promotion of the play via this commercial or they would not have approved it's use...nationally.

The NFL is using it because they aren't stupid. It's talked about by everyone. They are capitalizing on the marketing aspect. Has nothing to do with them condoning or promoting the actual play necessarily. It's a target of opportunity.

This. Why yall still love this league I have no idea. I will never buy anything made by NFL again.

They have butchered the game to the point I don’t even recognize it anymore.

Leave the NFL alone. You cheer for the Cowboys. Your taste in things is obviously suspect.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

During this 30 second spot there was a specific reference (via a catchy song/tune) to this exact "tush-push" play. The NFL seems okay with the promotion of the play via this commercial or they would not have approved it's use...nationally.

The NFL is using it because they aren't stupid. It's talked about by everyone. They are capitalizing on the marketing aspect. Has nothing to do with them condoning or promoting the actual play necessarily. It's a target of opportunity.

This. Why yall still love this league I have no idea. I will never buy anything made by NFL again.

They have butchered the game to the point I don’t even recognize it anymore.

Leave the NFL alone. You cheer for the Cowboys. Your taste in things is obviously suspect.

Watching you 50 year old fans all act like obnoxious Cowboys fans from the 90s is its own form of sweet revenge.

Teal with envy.

 

[ChiefD]

The Eagles line allegedly going early on that play is irrelevant to the Chiefs game and whatever other game is played out of the dozens they have run that play.

That play didn't make Travis Kelce not look for the ball at the goal line like the big dope he's becoming and that pass became an interception.

That play didn't make Andy Reid do absolutely nothing since the Super Bowl ***-whoopin to fix his play calling to combat these faster front 4's they are seeing.

That play didn't make Butker miss a field goal earlier in the game.

And on and on. There are so many plays in a football game and I get tired of people focusing on this one stupid aspect of every game. It's a play. Just like the other 70 in a game.

 

[Snotbubbles]

During this 30 second spot there was a specific reference (via a catchy song/tune) to this exact "tush-push" play. The NFL seems okay with the promotion of the play via this commercial or they would not have approved it's use...nationally.

The NFL is using it because they aren't stupid. It's talked about by everyone. They are capitalizing on the marketing aspect. Has nothing to do with them condoning or promoting the actual play necessarily. It's a target of opportunity.

This. Why yall still love this league I have no idea. I will never buy anything made by NFL again.

They have butchered the game to the point I don’t even recognize it anymore.

Leave the NFL alone. You cheer for the Cowboys. Your taste in things is obviously suspect.

Watching you 50 year old fans all act like obnoxious Cowboys fans from the 90s is its own form of sweet revenge.

Teal with envy.

Accurate

 

[need2know]

The Eagles line allegedly going early on that play is irrelevant to the Chiefs game and whatever other game is played out of the dozens they have run that play.

That play didn't make Travis Kelce not look for the ball at the goal line like the big dope he's becoming and that pass became an interception.

That play didn't make Andy Reid do absolutely nothing since the Super Bowl ***-whoopin to fix his play calling to combat these faster front 4's they are seeing.

That play didn't make Butker miss a field goal earlier in the game.

And on and on. There are so many plays in a football game and I get tired of people focusing on this one stupid aspect of every game. It's a play. Just like the other 70 in a game.

I thought andy going for it early in the 3rd qtr on his own side of the 50 was bonkers

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The problem I have with a ban is that I've still not heard anyone articulate a good reason for it. We first heard about how dangerous it was but that argument has apparently been dropped for lack of evidence. Now the focus seems to be on the LoS infractions that seem to be associated with the play. So how do you draft a rule that fixes those problems? The two drafts I saw earlier this year were both useless and would not have solved anything. If you ban a player pushing the ball carrier from behind, would that fix the false starts and encroachment? The Eagles would just run the same play as a QB sneak and it would work just as well and be just as ugly. It seems to me at least half the time Hurts has the first down from his initial push without any push from behind. I question how important that push is to the play's success as it seems more about the blocking technique than anything else. As many have said, I would prefer to see the NFL enforce existing neutral zone and snap rules, or do away with them completely so everyone knows what's what.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Btw Sirriani said something that I think gets overlooked. When they line up for that play, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. They are saying hey, this is what we are going to do, come try to stop us. And no one can. Its crazy

Yeah, because it’s a glitch in the matrix. The Eagles have a 96% success rate. The league average, per ESPN, is 85%.

There are many teams across the league that simply won’t run it because they don’t want their players to get hurt, especially the QB. Philly doesn’t need to worry about that because their QB is a) big, strong and less likely to be hurt and B) completely expendable and a glorified running back whose team has decided to not let throw because why bother when you can run like Philly and your QB might not be league-average

literally zero evidence of this being an injury risk play. Such a bs excuse for wanting to get rid of it. BTW, would you agree that Allen is bigger and stronger than Jalen? Last year, Sean McDermott went on the record as saying this play needed to be banned because of the high injury risk it poses. Then he runs his QB out to attempt it (and fail). So, which is it? Is it an injury risk and you just don't care about your player's safety? Or do you just want to ban it because you can't stop it and the "injury risk" moniker sounds like a winner? Stupid? or Liar?

The Bills have converted it 51 out of 57 times. That’s an 89.5% success rate, per ESPN.

You’re at 116 attempts with a success rate of 96.6%, according to ESPN, meaning you have been successful 112 times.

I’m not sure you can rip the Bills nor say your success is unique. You can say that other teams won’t run it. There are a few quoted people in the article saying you guys are unique, but the league success rate, which is 84.5%, and your success rate are only about 12% different. You might say, “That’s a lot!” but the league success rate on 4th and 1 is about 64.5%.

What you really ought to ask is why the league is willing to forgo that 20% competitive advantage. Is it because they “can't run” a play that is 85% successful league-wide, or is it because they don’t want their QB and OL getting maimed in the process? I’ll wait and let you figure out an answer to that.

First off - calling Jalen Hurts expendable and a glorified RB is such utter ********. It’s an awful and tired take. Form a rebuttal if you wish but it’s so bad I don’t care to go back and forth on it. You are actually suggesting that the Eagles think he’s expendable and we have 255,000,000 pieces of evidence to the contrary.

The second piece is a fun debate. I don’t know why the rest of the league doesn’t run it more but I’m dubious that it’s about player safety. It’s definitely not about protecting the QB because a QB does not need to run it. It requires no element of surprise. It could possibly be about protecting the OLine and I do wonder if the back issues for Cam and now Dickerson is not a coincidence. Personally, I think a lot of teams just see a huge risk in 4th and 1 in many scenarios and haven’t accurately accounted for the reward. Others may just be stubborn. You are right though, it’s unusual that it isn’t copied throughout the league.

Last, I’m not sure those numbers are completely accurate. Or to say it better, I think they lack context. I summarized the stats last year and I remember the Eagles were occasionally stopped on 3rd and 1 and were successful on the following play. Gaining 6inches on 3rd and 1 could be considered a success in a way.

 

[Pickle Rody]

It is a variation of the QB sneak. Nothing more, nothing less. A football play. Although, it is never a surprise play like other QB sneaks. It is foretold. It has always been. The Eagles do not hide the fact that they are about to run it. They never have. Somehow, not a single one of the other 31 professional football teams has designed a way to stop it since its inception.

The Bills run it because they want to win? Hmm? Yes, that seems plausible. I guess I'll accept that statement as fact. That makes me wonder why the Eagles run it? Could it possibly be they would like to win also?

Using the nationality of the creator of the play as a point of detraction about the play? @rockaction please explain to me (like I am a not-very-smart junior in high school) how that fact matters at all here. Please.

Anyone who claims that the play is somehow the cornerstone of the Eagles offense is highlighting their own ignorance. The Eagles do not matriculate down the field looking for opportunities to run this play. Quite the opposite. They would be thrilled to complete a game without having to resort to using it. They do not use it until they need to. Needing to gain a first down or score a touchdown when in close to the end zone are valid reasons to run the their version of the QB-sneak. A football play.

Claiming that the play:
*is stupid
*is ugly
*is garbage football
*is hard to officiate
*heightens injury risk
*is not a football play
*is a sh**ty moving penalty
*is terrible for the game

are utterly ridiculous reasons to eliminate the play. None of these reasons or feelings are valid reasons to do so. Do folks really believe these are? Injury risk is inherent in every single play. Injuries do not occur at a rate any higher than any other play. If they did, detractors of the play would be clamoring about it. This has been debunked previously anyway. Hard to officiate? There are numerous plays that are difficult to officiate. We see this with our very own eyes weekly. So what? How does that agreed upon fact lend any credence to the position that the play should be eliminated? Is this play too hard for defenses to stop? Maybe. Is that a good enough reason to outlaw it? Not to me. I believe if other teams really want to stop it defensively, on the field of play, they will eventually figure it out.

Claiming any of these reasons or any other strawman, or emotional reaction, or a previously disproven theory to try once again to eliminate the use of this play is really petty. Really.

I will admit though, grudgingly, that it may not survive for the '26 season. I have a suspicion that enough folks, league folks and fans alike, are going to make a loud enough stink about it until they are successful in their efforts to get rid of it. That stink will not contain a speck of validity. Pettiness will win out.

I would be very appreciative if anyone who feels this play should get the axe from the league could post a valid reason/argument for doing so. Just one.

 

[rockaction]

Nah, I'm not reading those screeds. I hope you had fun typing them because the intended recipient of your bile just tuned out after a sentence of each.

It's called an opinion and if you're too obtuse to understand why pointing out that the guy who designed the tush push was a Scottish rugby coach (the rugby coach is completely relevant to my point, and the European and U.K. influence cements its authenticity) is relevant and evidence of its rugby rather than American football origins then I don’t know what to tell you about relevance.

And that's all I read from those two posts. I got to the curse in one and the indignation that somehow me bringing up ethnicity is inappropriate in this case in the other and I just completely tuned out.

Enjoy yourselves and your squalor, boys! Yell at a wall.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Nah, I'm not reading those screeds. I hope you had fun typing them because the intended recipient of your bile just tuned out after a sentence of each.

It's called an opinion and if you're too obtuse to understand why pointing out that the guy who designed the tush push was a Scottish rugby coach (the rugby coach is completely relevant to my point, and the European and U.K. influence cements its authenticity) is relevant and evidence of its rugby rather than American football origins then I don’t know what to tell you about relevance.

And that's all I read from those two posts. I got to the curse in one and the indignation that somehow me bringing up ethnicity is inappropriate in this case in the other and I just completely tuned out.

Enjoy yourselves and your squalor, boys! Yell at a wall.

Well it was ********. You have some great points but that one wasn’t

 

[rockaction]

Nah, I'm not reading those screeds. I hope you had fun typing them because the intended recipient of your bile just tuned out after a sentence of each.

It's called an opinion and if you're too obtuse to understand why pointing out that the guy who designed the tush push was a Scottish rugby coach (the rugby coach is completely relevant to my point, and the European and U.K. influence cements its authenticity) is relevant and evidence of its rugby rather than American football origins then I don’t know what to tell you about relevance.

And that's all I read from those two posts. I got to the curse in one and the indignation that somehow me bringing up ethnicity is inappropriate in this case in the other and I just completely tuned out.

Enjoy yourselves and your squalor, boys! Yell at a wall.

Well it was ********. You have some great points but that one wasn’t

It’s a rejoinder to the argument that goes like this

“That’s not football. That’s a rugby scrum.” - Reasonable Skeptic

“No way! It’s totally a football play!” - Philly Phan

“Then why did a Scottish rugby coach design it, teach it, and then coach it until they got it right?” - Reasonable Skeptic

“What?! You got something against Scottish people?!” - Pickle Me Too

 

[Pickle Rody]

You have made my point. NONE of that response addresses the one simple thing I asked for: a valid reason to outlaw the play. Even a reasonably valid one will suffice.

To address the quip written as if I was quoted: If I am understanding correctly, the accepted fact is that the "tush-push" has origins related to the sport of rugby. This being so is a good reason to do away with it. Is this correct?

Have there been other times in the past where a typical football play has been influenced by other sports? Yes. There was a time when all kickers used to kick the ball straight on. Then, all of a sudden a few started kicking the ball "soccer style." They tended to be a lot more successful.

Professional football being impacted by other sports is not a bad thing. Nor is it a reason to ban/outlaw/eliminate a successful play.

If injuries occurred at a fairly increased clip to players while running this play, as opposed to any other typical plays, or the entirety of ALL other types of plays if you like, I would have no problem agreeing that the play should be eliminated. As of yet, those injuries are just not occurring.

If provided a decent, valid reason, I could easily be swayed to feel the same way as others do. Anyone who opposes this play, please provide one.

 

[rockaction]

lol. You really don’t get that it’s totally valid and I’m not reading your emo journal. It’s like one long MCR G Note that’ll never be read by its intended audience.

She threw your flowers in a vase but never read the note.

 

[unckeyherb]

Jon Gruden on the Tush Push

 

[Todem]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks....the NFL will do what it wants.

Like @STEADYMOBBIN 22 posted.....I barely recognize this game anymore with all the phantom replays, phantom flags, replays literally on everything with the eye in the sky now always watching, can't determine what a catch is, new interpretations of rules popping up yearly.

It's an utter dumpster fire.

Yet...like a junkie I watch every Thursday, Sunday and Monday......

It's an opinion by some folks that this is a garbage play and does not represent football as we have watched it for the last half century......I think the NFL will absolutely ban it next year to the shgrin of some and horror of others.

But will it change my life? No. Do I really care in the big picture? No. Just giving an opinion.

Can we all move on.......and just talk real football?

 

[Pickle Rody]

lol. You really don’t get that it’s totally valid and I’m not reading your emo journal. It’s like one long MCR G Note that’ll never be read by its intended audience.

She threw your flowers in a vase but never read the note.

It's totally valid to get rid of the play because it has origins based on the sport of rugby?

Nah, that doesn't track with me. You are correct. I do not get it.

What is an emo journal? What is a MCR G Note? I honestly have no clue about either.

Read my posts or don't. Comment about them or don't.

The NFL can and probably will eliminate the play for reasons based on fee-fees. Great.

 

[need2know]

Jon Gruden on the Tush Push

this is gold

everyone should watch this.

 

[Gally]

You have made my point. NONE of that response addresses the one simple thing I asked for: a valid reason to outlaw the play. Even a reasonably valid one will suffice.

Football is for entertainment. Many people think it takes away from the entertainment of the experience. It is a similar look to a rugby scrum (which is where the design came from). If the sport becomes unlikeable to watch then people will stop watching. The NFL brass doesn't want that to happen. Therefore it is a valid reason to do away with the play if it eventually takes viewership away. It's as simple as that.

The play used to be illegal (pushing an offensive player from behind). Many just want to go back to time and make pushing from behind illegal again.

 

[unckeyherb]

You have made my point. NONE of that response addresses the one simple thing I asked for: a valid reason to outlaw the play. Even a reasonably valid one will suffice.

Football is for entertainment. Many people think it takes away from the entertainment of the experience. It is a similar look to a rugby scrum (which is where the design came from). If the sport becomes unlikeable to watch then people will stop watching. The NFL brass doesn't want that to happen. Therefore it is a valid reason to do away with the play if it eventually takes viewership away. It's as simple as that.

The play used to be illegal (pushing an offensive player from behind). Many just want to go back to time and make pushing from behind illegal again.

Number one, the amount of people that are going to stop watching the NFL because of a single play is precisely zero.

Number two, one of the biggest topics of discussion in the off-season and currently a major topic of discussion on all the sports channels is this play. If the nfl wants exposure, they are getting it.

Number three, This play is a variation of a typical quarterback sneak, using leverage concepts developed from rugby. The idea that you would eliminate a play based on the fact that there are influences from rugby taken, seems ludicrous to me.

Number four, I would think that in order to ban a play there has to be a legitimate reason. I have seen literally zero evidence of this play being an injury risk to anyone. Like, not one example of someone actually getting injured. The argument made by the directors is basically they don’t like how it looks. I don’t like how the Miami Dolphins offense looks. Can we ban that too?

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I don't think the play is particularly "ugly". It does irk me a bit, for two reasons I think. One is that allowing shoving of the ball carrier always stuck in my craw as another way that the league tilts all of the rules towards the offense. The defense isn't allowed to help launch a guy on a FG attempt, but the offense can do something similar on a run for some reason. The threatened penalizing of Washington in the playoffs last year for trying to stop the play was ridiculous. The second thing that bugs me is the incessant crowing about it by Eagles fans as if they invented Calculus or something. To be fair, some of this may be triggered by the non-stop whining by everybody else, but still. Don't pretend you're galaxy brain Hank Stram because having your guys shove your QB is some mind-blowing innovation.

Would it be legal for a team to employ a modern day Eddie Gaedel on fourth downs and have two lineman in the backfield throw him 10 feet in the air over the line of scrimmage? Because I'm thinking that would be an even more unstoppable 4th and 1 play.

 

[Gally]

Number four, I would think that in order to ban a play there has to be a legitimate reason.

Have you not seen what the NFL does? They do what they want. They don't need "legitimate" reasons.

 

[need2know]

funniest thing about it is most of the time he isnt pushed at all

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't think the play is particularly "ugly". It does irk me a bit, for two reasons I think. One is that allowing shoving of the ball carrier always stuck in my craw as another way that the league tilts all of the rules towards the offense. The defense isn't allowed to help launch a guy on a FG attempt, but the offense can do something similar on a run for some reason. The threatened penalizing of Washington in the playoffs last year for trying to stop the play was ridiculous. The second thing that bugs me is the incessant crowing about it by Eagles fans as if they invented Calculus or something. To be fair, some of this may be triggered by the non-stop whining by everybody else, but still. Don't pretend you're galaxy brain Hank Stram because having your guys shove your QB is some mind-blowing innovation.

Would it be legal for a team to employ a modern day Eddie Gaedel on fourth downs and have two lineman in the backfield throw him 10 feet in the air over the line of scrimmage? Because I'm thinking that would be an even more unstoppable 4th and 1 play.

To be fair to us, Eagles fans, I don’t think any of us feel like it’s some brilliant play. We have a massive amount of humanity between Cam Jurgens, Landon Dickerson, and Jordan Mailata. Add in having a very strong runner as a quarterback and it’s like I said, just lining up and beating up the other team. Nothing brilliant about it.

I will admit, my personal opinion has gotten far more defensive about this play because of threads like this. Previously, I just felt like it was an effective variant of a qb sneak. Nothing brilliant about it, just strength over strength.
The crazy backlash to this play, and the calls for it to be banned just strike me as sour grapes. I can’t for the life of me, understand why people get so upset about it. But like everything else these days, animosity from one side causes the other burrow and even deeper. Now every Eagles fan I know acts like the NFL is trying to take away our Super Bowl trophy.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

As an aside, the inconsistent way with which a guy laying on a pile of bodies is treated by the officials has always bothered me, and it long predates this play. Often times they just spot the ball at the point of furthest progress even if a guy is writhing around on the pile for several seconds, moving sideways/backwards and trying to gain more yardage. But if he manages to get up and run around the pile it's all of the sudden LOL he was laying on a pile of bodies, not the ground, so he was never actually down.

 

[trader jake]

First time the Eagles run the Tush Push after the NFL 'tightens it up" the right guard jumped early. No flag.

Drive continues, Tush Push TD.

 

[kface]

First time the Eagles run the Tush Push after the NFL 'tightens it up" the right guard jumped early. No flag.

Drive continues, Tush Push TD.

Eagles would have a ton more losses if they weren't cheating

 

[BlackCrowes]

lol

 

[Desert_Power]

Such a joke.

 

[N Zone]

garbage play

 

[Snotbubbles]

First time the Eagles run the Tush Push after the NFL 'tightens it up" the right guard jumped early. No flag.

Drive continues, Tush Push TD.

The Saints tried it and got called for a false start.

 

[trader jake]

First time the Eagles run the Tush Push after the NFL 'tightens it up" the right guard jumped early. No flag.

Drive continues, Tush Push TD.

The Saints tried it and got called for a false start.

Mission "Tighten Up" Accomplished!

 

[unckeyherb]

Gotta love the flip to Saquon off of the tush push formation. Expect to see a lot more of that type of thing moving forward. What a play.

Also it’s a good thing they did that, Vita got a ton of penetration on the play-might have stopped hurts in his tracks.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Gotta love the flip to Saquon off of the tush push formation. Expect to see a lot more of that type of thing moving forward. What a play.

Also it’s a good thing they did that, Vita got a ton of penetration on the play-might have stopped hurts in his tracks.

I'm thinking he only got that penetration because the play was not a "true" push.

 

[trader jake]

Unwatchable nonsense tonight

...and another false start not called
...and we have no idea when the play ends
...and an injury on the play

 

[rockaction]

Yep.

We haven’t been wrong for three years.

- not a football play (Scottish rugby coach designed it)
- can’t or won’t ref it
- injuries are going to happen regardless of what Sean “Bounty” Payton says
- the list goes on

 

[Terpman22]

Yikes bro

 

[Dizzy]

Unwatchable nonsense tonight

...and another false start not called
...and we have no idea when the play ends
...and an injury on the play

It is weird. Not sure why the false starts are allowed. Maybe the defense should just start taking shots. Give up the TD on penalties... hope something lands.

Must be a bummer for Barkley owners.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Honestly what I’m curious about at this point is, what is the mechanism the Eagles are using to allow their guards to go early? They’re repeatedly false starting by just a split second. To do that so often and so tight to the snap that the refs aren’t calling it tells me that it’s intentional. Which means there must be something the Eagles are doing to key those two guys specifically early.