Tush Push - still legal, Philly fans begin to heal after rough year (14 Viewers)

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Can't wait to see the play again later today. Could barely sleep last night in anticipation

LOL - I love it when you do this. I’m not a fan of the play but admit if it was my behemoth offensive line I would love it and do exactly as your doing.

I think Kelce is the key to it all. He’s so lightening quick off the line. Can’t believe he wants to retire.

(Selfishly us Cowboys fans will always wonder what was and could have been with Fredericks. That illness wrecked our hearts and our line. )

 

[jon007]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

 

[renesauz]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

Yep....and just as interesting is how rarely the "pushers" matter in the result. Most of the time they barely touch Hurts because he's already a yard plus downfield before they can.
NFL can outlaw the play but it really won't matter...Eagles will still be virtually unstoppable with a yard to go (assuming Kelce stays)

 

[Mitchie]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

 

[renesauz]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

Not the point. The point is no rule should be changed just because a single team is able to use it (at least look like they are) better then anyone else unless there is a real safety issue...which there isn't

It isn't bad precedent...it's TERRIBLE precedent

 

[Mitchie]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

Not the point. The point is no rule should be changed just because a single team is able to use it (at least look like they are) better then anyone else unless there is a real safety issue...which there isn't

It isn't bad precedent...it's TERRIBLE precedent

seems like there is a safety issue though, putting the QB which is the NFL's most valuable asset by a good margin in harms way

 

[jon007]

That's another interesting point. The play could be executed with another player taking the snap besides the QB. In some ways the play is just another version of the Wildcat.

 

[unckeyherb]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

Not the point. The point is no rule should be changed just because a single team is able to use it (at least look like they are) better then anyone else unless there is a real safety issue...which there isn't

It isn't bad precedent...it's TERRIBLE precedent

seems like there is a safety issue though, putting the QB which is the NFL's most valuable asset by a good margin in harms way

How is it putting the qb in harms way? Injuries typically happen when either fast moving bodies collide (not the case here) or legs get rolled up under large bodies (not the case here as the qb basically floats above the pile). Far higher chance of the QB getting injured dropping back and getting sacked.

 

[renesauz]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

Not the point. The point is no rule should be changed just because a single team is able to use it (at least look like they are) better then anyone else unless there is a real safety issue...which there isn't

It isn't bad precedent...it's TERRIBLE precedent

seems like there is a safety issue though, putting the QB which is the NFL's most valuable asset by a good margin in harms way

?????? How is he in any more danger then on ANY OTHER QB SNEAK????
Where's the data? Who's been hurt?

Injuries in the NFL (except for the weird open field ACL type ones) are a product of MOMENTUM and awkward angles. Awkward angles can exist on any/every play but are generally reduced on this play. And there is no momentum on a sneak, whether traditional or the tush push. The injury thing is a terrible argument, completely false

 

[JohnnyU]

Buh-bye

 

[renesauz]

That's another interesting point. The play could be executed with another player taking the snap besides the QB. In some ways the play is just another version of the Wildcat.

Absolutely it could be. but not many other players practice taking a snap under center. Also, Eagles have shown that they have other plays out of that set, which you probably couldn't have with a RB there

 

[Deamon]

seems like there is a safety issue though, putting the QB which is the NFL's most valuable asset by a good margin in harms way

This has been discussed so much, it is not at all putting a qb in harms way.

 

[Deamon]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

 

[Mitchie]

It'll be interesting to see how the rules are changed. What many don't realize is that it's not the push on Hurts that makes this play so successful. It's the synchronized blocking by Kelce, Dickerson and Mailata. These guys form a wedge with Dickerson in the middle. Kelce and Mailata simply dig their shoulders into the sides Dickerson and all 3 bear crawl and drive forward. All Hurts has to do is go over the top and ride the wave.

that's fine, so they don't need the push so noone should care

Not the point. The point is no rule should be changed just because a single team is able to use it (at least look like they are) better then anyone else unless there is a real safety issue...which there isn't

It isn't bad precedent...it's TERRIBLE precedent

seems like there is a safety issue though, putting the QB which is the NFL's most valuable asset by a good margin in harms way

?????? How is he in any more danger then on ANY OTHER QB SNEAK????
Where's the data? Who's been hurt?

Injuries in the NFL (except for the weird open field ACL type ones) are a product of MOMENTUM and awkward angles. Awkward angles can exist on any/every play but are generally reduced on this play. And there is no momentum on a sneak, whether traditional or the tush push. The injury thing is a terrible argument, completely false

if don't believe me here's Brady, the King of the QB sneak saying it

Tom Brady issues Jalen Hurts a warning on dangerous Tush Push play with the Eagles

A querterback's career can go in only one of two ways, just as Tom Brady fears. There are QBs who either do sneak plays and get hit all the time or those who take better care of th

www.marca.com

 

[Terpman22]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

 

[renesauz]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

won't matter....Hurts doesn't need the pushers. Isn't really the point though

 

[Jmiller21kg]

Instead of the tush push they should focus on banning the hip drop tackle

 

[Cowboysfan8]

But the REASONING for ditching it is terrible

I think part of the reason it’s getting ditched is because contrary to the “he squats 600” folks…his feet aren’t on the ground half the time…he’s crowd surfing forward

 

[belljr]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

It was illegal prior to 2005 for everyone

 

[renesauz]

But the REASONING for ditching it is terrible

I think part of the reason it’s getting ditched is because contrary to the “he squats 600” folks…his feet aren’t on the ground half the time…he’s crowd surfing forward

false

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

It should be banned for everyone — like it used to be until the mid-2000s.

 

[Mitchie]

Instead of the tush push they should focus on banning the hip drop tackle

prob both are goners

 

[GoBirds]

But the REASONING for ditching it is terrible

I think part of the reason it’s getting ditched is because contrary to the “he squats 600” folks…his feet aren’t on the ground half the time…he’s crowd surfing forward

false

What he means is, we can’t do it or stop it so it should be banned.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

But the REASONING for ditching it is terrible

I think part of the reason it’s getting ditched is because contrary to the “he squats 600” folks…his feet aren’t on the ground half the time…he’s crowd surfing forward

false

What he means is, we can’t do it or stop it so it should be banned.

nope

 

[JohnnyU]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

What does Brohans mean?

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

 

[Deamon]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

There are a lot of similarities to the tush push of the 2020s and the slam dunk of the 1950s. Maybe this analogy has been made before but it’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Both are highly efficient plays that certain players really excel at. Those that cannot execute the plays seem to lack any appreciation for the skill involved. In both cases there are instances of players retaliating in an attempt to injure when the play is used. Fans of the respective sports lose their **** about how the play is going to change the game. We know what happened with the college dunk ban and a ban for the push is likely on the way.
This analogy is worth considering because it took many years before the dunk became a staple of the NBA game along with other entertaining wrinkles like the alley oop. We are in year two of pushing tushes. It seems really premature to ban the play without justification and not knowing what it could become. It might fizzle out like the wildcat or it could just be an annoying cheat code (like if a NBA player were dunking on a free throw, which was disallowed). Or, a coach might incorporate the play along with increased pace or something like that which could be an interesting development.

interesting comparison... hadn't thought of this.

 

[JohnnyU]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

What does Brohans mean?

Often used as a term of endearment between two bros who are into hardcore stuff:

 

[Terpman22]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

What does Brohans mean?

Often used as a term of endearment between two bros who are into hardcore stuff:

Haha there is a guy on here, I can't recall his handle, but its always ending with

And you can take that to the bank Brohans. I just thought its funny lol

 

[Deamon]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

What does Brohans mean?

Often used as a term of endearment between two bros who are into hardcore stuff:

Haha there is a guy on here, I can't recall his handle, but its always ending with

And you can take that to the bank Brohans. I just thought its funny lol

@SWC

 

[Terpman22]

Let's say they do ban it....

Do they ban all pushing offensive players from behind? Wouldn't that be a mess?

Or do they just say it's QB only that can't be?

Either way if they do ban it, the Eagles fans, me included, are gonna talk about how “The NFL has to change rules bc the Eagles were unstoppable” a la outlawing the dunk bc Lew Alcindor, until the end of time. You can take that to the bank. Brohans.

What does Brohans mean?

Often used as a term of endearment between two bros who are into hardcore stuff:

Haha there is a guy on here, I can't recall his handle, but its always ending with

And you can take that to the bank Brohans. I just thought its funny lol

@SWC

Thats the guy haha.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Josh Allen with the QB run and O-line push for an extra 3-5 yards. Not a true tush push. But so exciting!!!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

Does anyone have the updated numbers on the conversion rate on this for teams other than the Eagles? It's got to be around 50-60% tops at this point, which is well below the average conversion rate for non-push plays in short yardage situations.

At this point anyone still arguing that the play is cheap/easy is like when people hang onto a political point and are unwilling to cede an obviously lost argument that the evidence completely contradicts because they've grown attached to the argument itself. Honestly a lot of those stats made it obvious a month or two ago but I would have to imagine if someone has the updated stats with the slew of push failures since then it would be even more damning.

 

[JohnnyU]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

Does anyone have the updated numbers on the conversion rate on this for teams other than the Eagles? It's got to be around 50-60% tops at this point, which is well below the average conversion rate for non-push plays in short yardage situations.

At this point anyone still arguing that the play is cheap/easy is like when people hang onto a political point and are unwilling to cede an obviously lost argument that the evidence completely contradicts because they've grown attached to the argument itself. Honestly a lot of those stats made it obvious a month or two ago but I would have to imagine if someone has the updated stats with the slew of push failures since then it would be even more damning.

Wasn’t one a straight up old fashioned QB sneak and the other one a 181 pound WR pushing Mullens?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

Does anyone have the updated numbers on the conversion rate on this for teams other than the Eagles? It's got to be around 50-60% tops at this point, which is well below the average conversion rate for non-push plays in short yardage situations.

At this point anyone still arguing that the play is cheap/easy is like when people hang onto a political point and are unwilling to cede an obviously lost argument that the evidence completely contradicts because they've grown attached to the argument itself. Honestly a lot of those stats made it obvious a month or two ago but I would have to imagine if someone has the updated stats with the slew of push failures since then it would be even more damning.

Wasn’t one a straight up old fashioned QB sneak and the other one a 181 pound WR pushing Mullens?

All 3 were the push play. Bengals from the 2 inch line (Mixon ran it in on the next play) and Vikings twice in a row on their last drive. They tried to get tricky on the second one and put the "pusher" in motion first to disguise it, which was clever because I think the telegraphed nature of it is why it converts so much worse than a traditional QB sneak.

 

[Insein]

Another 0-3 in the Vikings/Bengals game. Both teams try it and fail.

Does anyone have the updated numbers on the conversion rate on this for teams other than the Eagles? It's got to be around 50-60% tops at this point, which is well below the average conversion rate for non-push plays in short yardage situations.

At this point anyone still arguing that the play is cheap/easy is like when people hang onto a political point and are unwilling to cede an obviously lost argument that the evidence completely contradicts because they've grown attached to the argument itself. Honestly a lot of those stats made it obvious a month or two ago but I would have to imagine if someone has the updated stats with the slew of push failures since then it would be even more damning.

Wasn’t one a straight up old fashioned QB sneak and the other one a 181 pound WR pushing Mullens?

Eagles have Zachaeus pushing Jalen all the time.

 

[renesauz]

truth remains that the pusher in Philly rarely makes a difference. It isn't ABOUT the pushers...it's about technique with a solid O line, and a strong QB

 

[Alex P Keaton]

truth remains that the pusher in Philly rarely makes a difference. It isn't ABOUT the pushers...it's about technique with a solid O line, and a strong QB

Then why bother having a pusher?

I find it way more annoying when 4 OLs push a runner in open field at the end of a play than when the Eagles do it at the goalline.

 

[EddieD]

Brett Kollmann provided some pretty solid analysis on this play. He looked at every snap from the Eagles running this and that of every other team to do it.

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Takeaways:

• Half of the time Hurts isn’t even on the ground, he surfs over the top of the o-line. The success of it doesn’t have as much to do with having a “super strong QB” as is often parroted.
• Most of the runs go over/behind Mailata and Dickerson.
• Defensive alignment focusing on running behind Kelce/A gap is what helps make this play so successful for the Eagles.

The success of this really just comes down to coaching and proper technique on behalf of the Eagles o-line, in particular Kelce, Mailata and Dickerson.

He points out how the way the Niners defended it when the Vikes tried to run it early this year give teams a better shot it at. Frustratingly I noticed they didn’t repeat this alignment when they recently played the Eagles and inevitably had no success in defending it.

D-coordinators should probably give this a watch. Same for O-coordinators trying to emulate it. The Eagles alignment/technique and how they execute it from Kelce to Dickerson is what makes it so successful.

 

[Deamon]

Then why bother having a pusher?

Why not? Zero downside and even if it helps 1 in 10 times, it's worth doing.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

Huh. Well, they usually get into the endzone with a good 2-4 yards to spare, so I’m not convinced it makes much of a difference…..

 

[unckeyherb]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

So just to be clear, the refs spot the ball, establishing the line of scrimmage. Then the Oline lines up on the line of scrimmage. Kelce grabs the ball and 'moves' it forward one and a half feet, then hikes it back to where Jalen would be regardless of where Kelce 'moved' the ball, because he's lined up behind the Oline that is behind the line of scrimmage. Then Jalen pushes 4-5 yards forward and gets the first down/touchdown.

That's how they are so successful? I think you should watch the play a few more times.

 

[Insein]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

Centers move the ball all the time presnap. Where the ball is snapped from has very little bearing where it ends up.

 

[JohnnyU]

I say take it away from them if no one can stop it.

 

[Rubi]

I think the talk of outlawing this play should be stopped.
Instead this thread should be outlawed

 

[GroveDiesel]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

So just to be clear, the refs spot the ball, establishing the line of scrimmage. Then the Oline lines up on the line of scrimmage. Kelce grabs the ball and 'moves' it forward one and a half feet, then hikes it back to where Jalen would be regardless of where Kelce 'moved' the ball, because he's lined up behind the Oline that is behind the line of scrimmage. Then Jalen pushes 4-5 yards forward and gets the first down/touchdown.

That's how they are so successful? I think you should watch the play a few more times.

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

Centers move the ball all the time presnap. Where the ball is snapped from has very little bearing where it ends up.

Maybe you guys should take it up with the NFL’s analytics guys who clearly think it’s giving them an advantage and with the ref who noticed it and called them for a false start on it.

 

[eighsse2]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

So just to be clear, the refs spot the ball, establishing the line of scrimmage. Then the Oline lines up on the line of scrimmage. Kelce grabs the ball and 'moves' it forward one and a half feet, then hikes it back to where Jalen would be regardless of where Kelce 'moved' the ball, because he's lined up behind the Oline that is behind the line of scrimmage. Then Jalen pushes 4-5 yards forward and gets the first down/touchdown.

That's how they are so successful? I think you should watch the play a few more times.

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

Centers move the ball all the time presnap. Where the ball is snapped from has very little bearing where it ends up.

Maybe you guys should take it up with the NFL’s analytics guys who clearly think it’s giving them an advantage and with the ref who noticed it and called them for a false start on it.

They called a false start on it because it was a false start, not because it helped the play be successful.

 

[The Duff Man]

I prefer the Scno-plow

 

[unckeyherb]

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

So just to be clear, the refs spot the ball, establishing the line of scrimmage. Then the Oline lines up on the line of scrimmage. Kelce grabs the ball and 'moves' it forward one and a half feet, then hikes it back to where Jalen would be regardless of where Kelce 'moved' the ball, because he's lined up behind the Oline that is behind the line of scrimmage. Then Jalen pushes 4-5 yards forward and gets the first down/touchdown.

That's how they are so successful? I think you should watch the play a few more times.

Not sure if this was posted way earlier, but turns out that one of the reasons the Eagles are so successful may be a pretty easy explanation: they cheat. And the refs actually caught it and called it last night.

Centers move the ball all the time presnap. Where the ball is snapped from has very little bearing where it ends up.

Maybe you guys should take it up with the NFL’s analytics guys who clearly think it’s giving them an advantage and with the ref who noticed it and called them for a false start on it.

No it’s a false start. It’s just not what makes the play successful.